--- Log opened Mon Mar 05 00:00:23 2007
00:38  * madsen is back.
00:38 < madsen> Still bundling that synfig...
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02:42 < madsen> OMG! The guys in #macdev are genuine assholes...
02:43 < madsen> Please, if I ever turn into a self-centered Mac-fanboy, hunt me down and kill me. Ok?
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03:31 < crazy_bus> I installed synfig from the default ubuntu package but its not working propely.  Does anyone know of a fix?
03:31 < madsen> depends on your problem - I don't know the default Ubuntu package.
03:31 < crazy_bus> by not working properly I mean missing icons on everything.  And black where the logo should be
03:32 < madsen> Oh, SYNFIG_ROOT... Hmm...
03:32 < crazy_bus> there seems to be talk on the ubuntu forums of how it was compiled with the wrong gcc+
03:33 < madsen> No, that's not it, then you'd have bigger problems than the icons missing. :)
03:34 < madsen> Try: 'dpkg -L synfigstudio' (or whatever the package name is for studio)
03:34 < crazy_bus> what would that do?
03:35 < madsen> that'd list all files installed by the package
03:35 < crazy_bus> I did that.  Should I pastebin it?
03:36 < madsen> No, just tell what dir the icons are in... All the png's.
03:36 < madsen> if there's too much output, then you can 'dpkg -L synfigstudio | grep png'.
03:36 < crazy_bus> like this? /usr/share/pixmaps/installer_logo.png
03:36 < madsen> exactly
03:37 < madsen> then try starting synfigstudio from a terminal, like this: 'SYNFIG_ROOT=/usr/share synfigstudio'
03:38 < crazy_bus> I did that.  I got lots of messages in the terminal.  But the icons are still missing
03:39 < madsen> Hmm, what kind of comments? (Just give a single example or two.)
03:39 < crazy_bus> synfig(5110): info: DockManager::register_dockable(): Registered dockable "history"
03:39 < madsen> Hmm, ok, those... They don't mean much.
03:40 < crazy_bus> synfig(5110): warning: Settings::load_from_file(): Key "window.gradient.size" with a value of "" was rejected.
03:40 < madsen> At least not to this problem...
03:40 < crazy_bus> (synfigstudio:5110): GLib-GObject-WARNING **: value "inf" of type `gdouble' is invalid or out of range for property `step-increment' of type `gdouble'
03:40 < madsen> Don't worry about those. At least, they're not to blame for the missing icons.
03:41 < madsen> Doh!
03:41 < madsen> My bad, SYNFIG_ROOT should be /usr, not /usr/share
03:41 < madsen> try: SYNFIG_ROOT=/usr synfigstudio
03:42 < crazy_bus> the exact same thing happened
03:42 < madsen> really?
03:42 < madsen> Wait, do you have absolutely no icons - or a few?
03:42 < crazy_bus> history has a blue arrow
03:43 < crazy_bus> new, open, save have icons.  But all the tools have nothing
03:43 < madsen> Ok, then it IS the SYNFIG_ROOT that's the problem.
03:44 < madsen> and you are typing exactly 'SYNFIG_ROOT=/usr synfigstudio' (without the quotes though)?
03:45 < crazy_bus> I copied and pasted it into the terminal
03:46 < madsen> weird... But try: 'export SYNFIG_ROOT=/usr' press enter and then 'synfigstudio' and enter again.
03:46 < crazy_bus> same problem.
03:47 < madsen> what do you get if you 'echo $SYNFIG_ROOT'?
03:47 < crazy_bus> it seems everyone else using the ubuntu packages version of synfig has the same problem http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=290077&highlight=synfig
03:47 < crazy_bus>  /usr
03:47 < darco> Perhaps the packages were just built incorrectly?
03:48 < crazy_bus> is it hard to compile by yourself?
03:48 < madsen> Could be. crazy_bus, can you still use the tools even though there are no icons?
03:48 < darco> not terribly hard, no
03:48 < madsen> (There should be some tooltips if you rest the mouse over them a little while.)
03:49 < darco> I think there are some build instructions on the wiki
03:49 < crazy_bus> I have never really used synfig before so I don't know what the buttons do
03:49 < madsen> crazy_bus: And with checkinstall you can easilly make your own .deb-package.
03:50 < darco> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=1764710&postcount=5
03:50 < crazy_bus> I have to compile both synfig and synfig studio?
03:51 < madsen> crazy_bus: Yeah, but it's not very hard - I'll help you out. (I'm building the Mac-version and have been using Linux (Debian and Ubuntu) for the last 7 years.
03:51 < darco> I remember this bug
03:51 < darco> sorry, I was zoning out
03:52 < madsen> It's been around before?
03:52 < darco> it is, in fact, reading the icons just fine
03:52 < darco> however, the icons are all busted
03:52 < darco> because they were rendered with a broken copy of synfig
03:52 < madsen> darco: Doh!
03:52 < darco> so rebuilding is your best bet
03:52 < darco> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=1509627&group_id=144022&atid=757416
03:53 < madsen> darco: I had the same problem with the OS X build, but SYNFIG_ROOT solved that, so I hoped the same was the case here.
03:53 < darco> If you are going to build Synfig, make sure you use the sources off of subversion
03:53 < darco> it is much better at the moment than the last release
03:54 < crazy_bus> how do you not have the same gcc issue?
03:55 < darco> because the default optimization level has been changed to '1' instead of '2'. This problem only shows itself when the optimization is set to '2'.
03:55 < madsen> crazy_bus: If you want to build it, then install 'checkinstall' and go to http://wiki.synfig.com/Build_instructions, but don't do any 'make install's just yet.
03:55 < madsen> darco: Hey, btw. pabs mentioned something about you maybe working on an OS X build... Is that true?
03:55 < darco> someone needs to rebuild those debian packages
03:56 < darco> I'm working on getting synfig-core to be a well-behaved macosx framework
03:56 < madsen> darco: The plain Debian packages worked fine a month ago - dunno if they've been changed.
03:56 < darco> And I'm almost done with that part
03:56 < madsen> darco: Sweet!
03:56 < darco> I just need to add some modules
03:57 < madsen> darco: Meanwhile I'm slaving over otool and install_name_tool to make an app-bundle, but it's really hard, since I don't know the first thing about OS X - I've only been using it for a month.
03:59 < madsen> I'm gonna go grab some coffee, brb!
04:01 < crazy_bus> what happens if I use make install?
04:02 < crazy_bus> is there an error with it?
04:02 < darco> I know of any reason to not do a make install.
04:03 < darco> If it doesn't work, you can always do a make uninstall.
04:03 < crazy_bus> but madsen said not to do make install just yet?
04:04 < crazy_bus> I've got gcc4.1.  How do I make it not get the same error.  I read the bug page you posted and it said about "enable-optimization=1" what do I do?
04:05 < darco> ./configure --enable-optimization=1
04:05 < darco> for synfig-core
04:06 < darco> for ETL and synfig-studio, you just do a normal ./configure
04:06 < madsen> back!
04:06 < darco> I'm not sure why madsen said to not install.
04:07 < madsen> Do not 'make install' because checkinstall takes care of that... That way you'll get a nice .deb package installed, which you can then handle with the normal Ubuntu-utils.
04:07 < crazy_bus> what is the best way to learn synfig?
04:07 < madsen> the wiki and trying, I'd say.
04:08 < darco> crazy_bus: keep in mind that Synfig is still really early in development, but yes, the wiki would be the best place to try and learn. You can also ask questions here
04:09 < crazy_bus> which is the easiest to use and learn?  synfig or ktoon
04:09 < darco> I've never used ktoon, so I haven't the foggiest
04:09  * madsen has never tried ktoon either.
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04:10 < darco> stupid dyloxin
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04:10 < darco> !
04:10 < crazy_bus> how functional and stable is synfig so far?
04:10 < darco> functional enough to make everything you can see in the gallery
04:11 < madsen> crazy_bus: As long as you just replace all 'sudo make install' with 'sudo checkinstall' and answer the few questions it asks, then you'll have packages that you can easilly install and uninstall at your leisure.
04:11 < darco> brb
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04:12 < crazy_bus> what is the recommended svn software to get the files?  I've only used cvs before
04:13 < madsen> well, svn is very much alike (just a little cooler). There's a command line tool 'svn' in ubuntu. Let me just find the exact package name.
04:14 < madsen> You use edgy, right?
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04:14 < crazy_bus> yes
04:14 < darco> hmm
04:14 < crazy_bus> is it libsvn0?
04:14 < madsen> nope
04:15 < madsen> it's 'subversion' - hehe.
04:17 < crazy_bus> how many people use synfig?
04:17  * madsen has no idea. Darco?
04:18 < madsen> darco: Is the bridgetone.com server under heavy load? I'm only getting 25 kb/s from it...
04:25 < crazy_bus> what autoconf I do I install?  I did the default one but it doesn't work with ETL
04:25 < madsen> Oh, what version is that?
04:27 < crazy_bus> 2.6
04:29 < madsen> Hmm... What do you get if you type (in a terminal): autoconf[and then hit Tab twice] ?
04:29 < madsen> it should give you the different binaries that start with 'autoconf'
04:30 < crazy_bus> do you mean sudo apt-get install autoconf ?
04:31 < madsen> no
04:31 < madsen> hang on a sec
04:32 < madsen> what error did you get with ./bootstrap?
04:34 < crazy_bus> bootstrap: warning: Unexpected version of GNU Autoconf (expected 2.5)
04:34 < crazy_bus> bootstrap: warning: *** Bootstrap process may fail!
04:34 < crazy_bus> it worked this time I think
04:34 < madsen> Ok... Odd...
04:35 < crazy_bus> check install failed. I got this error
04:35 < crazy_bus> dpkg-deb: parse error, in file `/var/tmp/eEIZpiScjWWDIAejEaDGq/package/DEBIAN/co
04:35 < crazy_bus> ntrol' near line 10 package `etl':
04:36 < madsen> Strange, I've never seen that before.
04:36 < madsen> I'll check it out.
04:38 < madsen> Ok, things are weirding me out now. All of a sudden I have no checkinstall on my server...
04:38 < madsen> Hang on, I'll boot my other laptop.
13:11 < madsen> I can build synfig along with you, then. :) It's Debian, but it's close enough. :)
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13:11 < madsen> crazy_bus: Ok, can you paste the contents of the file it complains about on rafb.net/paste?
13:11 < madsen> ... that /var/tmp/... dealie.
13:11 < madsen> Sorry, I totally lost the connection I think... What was the last thing you heard me say?
13:11 < madsen> crazy_bus: ...?
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13:11 < crazy_bus> I was gone. sorry
13:11 < madsen> hehe, no worries. :)
13:11 < madsen> Weird thing is, on my Debian box, the checkinstall of ETL went fine...
13:11 < crazy_bus> what file do you mean?
13:11 < madsen> Maybe you can just take my .deb and install that...
13:11 < madsen> The one in /var/tmp/... that checkinstall complained about.
13:11 < madsen> What processor are you using?
13:11 < crazy_bus> I can't see the file there
13:11 < crazy_bus> I'm using a amd athlon 1800xp
13:11 < madsen> Ok, then you can maybe just use my package. Hang on, I'll dump it somewhere on the net for you.
13:11 < crazy_bus> do you also have a checkinstall of the main program?  Because I'm not sure what to do to not have the same gcc compiler issue
13:11 < madsen> Just as darco said...
13:11 < madsen> ./configure --enable-optimization=1 (or something like it).
13:11 < crazy_bus> one person said that worked for them and another one said it didn't
13:11 < madsen> I'd trust darco on it. He is a developer after all. :)
13:11 < madsen> If it doesn't work, then we can always try other things.
13:11  * darco nods
13:11 < madsen> crazy_bus: http://lillesvin.googlepages.com/etl-devel_0.04.08-264_i386.deb
13:11 < madsen> You know how to install it?
13:11 < crazy_bus> I think so
13:11 < pabs3> hey darco, I think the gcc folk solved that issue with -O2 cus when I got back and tried synfig with -O2 it worked fine
13:11  * madsen was just about to comment on how silent pabs3 has been today.
13:11 < crazy_bus> etl is installed now
13:11 < crazy_bus> thanks madsen
13:11 < pabs3> been on the phone and sleeping in :)
13:11 < madsen> crazy_bus: np! :)
13:11 < madsen> then you can get on with building synfig-core. :)
13:11  * madsen pushes ./bootstrap up against a wall. "Fail on me again! I dare you!"
13:11 < crazy_bus> how come all the videos in the gallery are from 2004?  Do people still make things?
13:11 < madsen> crazy_bus: I think so, but I haven't offered my stuff to the gallery because I'm a bit embarassed about it.
13:11 < pabs3> crazy_bus: the gallery is from when synfig was proprietary software, all those are done by the artists from voria, the company darco founded
13:11 < crazy_bus> is there a forum or something where people post newer artwork?
13:11 < madsen> There are the mailing lists, but I only subscribe to the dev-list, so I wouldn't know what's going on in the other.
13:11 < madsen> http://sourceforge.net/mail/?group_id=144022
13:11 < madsen> How come ./bootstrap keeps telling me it wants automake 1.8 and then, when it gets it, says: sutomake does not support libmod_<something>_la_LDFLAGS being defined conditionally?
13:11 < crazy_bus> bootstrap failed on synfig.
13:11 < crazy_bus> automake: src/modules/mod_libavcodec/Makefile.am: warning: automake does not support libmod_libavcodec_la_LDFLAGS being defined conditionally
13:11 < pabs3> crazy_bus: nope, most stuff I've seen is on other ppls blogs
13:11 < madsen> crazy_bus: interesting - exactly the same problem I'm trying to solve!
13:11 < pabs3> both lists are fairly inactive, no user artwork
13:11 < madsen> pabs3: Yeah, since I signed up on the dev-list, there's been, like, 1 mail...
13:11 < madsen> But seriously, wtf is wrong with bootstrap?
13:11 < madsen> And why didn't it fail on my OS X, when it fails on my Debian?
13:11 < madsen> I only have automake1.8 on OS X as well...
13:11 < pabs3> works here
13:11 < pabs3> use the most recent version of automake available
13:11 < madsen> Hmm, I'll try that.
13:11 < madsen> crazy_bus: I can get automake1.10, you?
13:11 < madsen> Seems to be working with that.
13:11 < crazy_bus> I don't think its in the repos
13:11 < crazy_bus> there is 1.4,5,6,7,8,9
13:11 < madsen> try .9 then
13:11 < pabs3> 1.4 definately won't work, so purge it if you have it installed
13:11 < madsen> You have installed all the dependencies listed on the Build_instructions page?
13:11 < crazy_bus> yes
13:11 < madsen> crazy_bus: Good. Was just making sure. :)
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13:11 < madsen> Should I edit the wiki to incorporate the --enable-optimization=1 for synfig and synfigstudio?
13:11 < madsen> crazy_bus: How's it coming along?
13:11 < crazy_bus> bootstap worked with 1.9 instead of automake2.xxxx
13:11 < madsen> good!
13:11 < madsen> remember to add --enable-optimization=1 to ./configure. :)
13:11 < crazy_bus> for both synfig and synfig studio?
13:11 < madsen> Yeah, just to be safe. :)
13:11 < crazy_bus> does ./configure --enable-optimization=1 the correct command?
13:11 < pabs3>  synfig is where the bug was, not studio
13:11 < madsen> crazy_bus: Yup!
13:11 < madsen> pabs3: K.
13:11 < madsen> I get an error related to ETL when I compile...
13:11 < crazy_bus> me too /usr/local/include/ETL/etl_config.h:6:25: error: etl_profile.h: No such file or directory
13:11 < madsen> Exactly!
13:11 < madsen> Wtf!?! That's because ETL has created a dir in /!
13:11 < pxegeek> If anyone wants to see some really bad artwork...  I have some examples ;)
13:11 < madsen> pxegeek: Hehe, I'll bet you, mine is worse. :-p
13:11 < madsen> crazy_bus: I may have fixed it, testing now.
13:11 < madsen> crazy_bus: If you 'sudo mv /ETL/etl_profile.h /usr/local/include/ETL/', then it'll compile right.
13:11 < madsen> Dunno why it thought it was a good idea to put 1 file in /ETL
13:11 < pxegeek> madsen: You have worse than this? :)
13:11 < pxegeek> http://pxegeek.home.comcast.net/Space.sif
13:11 < pxegeek> (10 second animation)
13:11 < madsen> pxegeek: Hehe, I can't even render it. Don't have a working synfig around. :-/
13:11 < madsen> Do you think you can export a single image from it?
13:11 < pabs3> synfig could use some optimisation
13:11 < pabs3> looks like a space ship going towards a planet 
13:11 < pxegeek> mpg version uploading - actually an earlier rendering
13:11 < pxegeek> http://pxegeek.home.comcast.net/spaceship.mpg
13:11 < pxegeek> The shape of the ship's changed - it's a little more 3d than this early version
13:11 < madsen> http://lillesvin.googlepages.com/eyes.mp4 - My best shot at a 5 second animation.
13:11 < pxegeek> But I was actually thinking along similar lines as crazy_bus
13:11 < madsen> pxegeek: Hey! That looks good!
13:11 < madsen> pxegeek: It's not Ghost in the Shell CGI or anything, but I like it!
13:11 < pxegeek> THere's lots of great artwork in the examples folders that aren't available on the net unless you download synfig, install and explore
13:11  * pxegeek blushes
13:11 < pxegeek> We should render them all and post them on youtube to keep the werewolf company :)
13:11  * pxegeek having problems playing back eyes/mp4
13:11 < madsen> vlc and mplayer should both be able to.
13:11 < pxegeek> Real player is hiccupping
13:11 < madsen> Wow! Some people still use that?
13:11 < pxegeek> Cool error from Quicktime - Error -2010: the movie contains some invalid data
13:11 < pabs3> wow, nice one madsen!
13:11 < madsen> pabs3: you really like it?
13:11 < pxegeek> VLC works beautifully
13:11  * pxegeek hangs head in shame...
13:11 < pabs3> totally!
13:11 < pxegeek> Beautiful madsen!
13:11 < madsen> Wow! I'm flattered! I thought it sucked. (Especially because one of the chunks of hair isn't moving at all...)
13:11 < crazy_bus> is 2d vector animation harder than 3d?
13:11 < madsen> crazy_bus: No, they're probably equally hard, but in different ways I guess...
13:11 < pxegeek> But it's hidden for the most part
13:11 < pabs3> ok, who feels like making a gallery page on the wiki?
13:11 < pxegeek> OK - there's one for the demo real - I have it looping  in the corner of my screen
13:11 < madsen> pxegeek: Yeah, that's why I missed.
13:11 < pabs3> lets have links to all these animations everyone is making
13:11 < madsen> pabs3: Wouldn't it be better to put them up on the same server as the website?
13:11 < pabs3> well, its on sourceforge, which makes big files download really slowly
13:11 < pabs3> plus I don't have access enough to modify the gallery
13:11 < madsen> Ugh... Well, mine is on googlepages - and it can stay there, at least for a while...
13:11 < madsen> I would, however, like to reserve the right to get it updated, once I get a working synfig again. :) (So I can make that last hair move.)
13:11 < pxegeek> The shading really sells the illusion of depth
13:11 < pabs3> madsen: of course!
13:11 < madsen> pabs3: Thanks. :)
13:11 < madsen> pxegeek: Yeah, well, I've watched a lot of anime... What can I say... :)
13:11 < pxegeek> It's like a staring match - hypnotic
13:11 < pxegeek> I think I'm in love
13:11 < pabs3> heheh
13:11 < madsen> pxegeek: LOL! I got all freaked out when I made it because I constantly had those eyes staring at me.
13:11 < madsen> crazy_bus: How's your build going?
13:11 < crazy_bus> I'm trying to get synfig studio now
13:11 < madsen> crazy_bus: So synfig is done?
13:11 < crazy_bus> yes
13:11 < madsen> crazy_bus: Cool! Because mine failed during checkinstall. :-(
13:11 < pxegeek> pabs:You think gallery would fit under documentation/general on the main page of the wiki?
13:11 < pabs3> yeah, sounds good
13:11 < pabs3> madsen: comment from my friend: that cartoon was very geeky. very nice
13:11 < madsen> very geeky? How? (Not that I'm offended or anything, just puzzled.)
13:11 < pabs3> she sez: ok, every geek has an anime dream love database. whether it be hentai, aeon flux, or those lil japanese cartoon chickies that throw undies. they all have BIG DOEY EYES.... heck. i've been in love with aeon flux.
13:11  * pxegeek chuckles
13:11 < pxegeek> madsen: how would you like to be credited on the wiki page?  
13:11 < madsen> pxegeek: what do you mean?
13:11 < pxegeek> pabs: is there a way to upload files to the wiki server?
13:11 < pxegeek> "eyes" by Madsen ?
13:11 < pabs3> I don't think there is
13:11 < crazy_bus> I completed compiling and installing
13:11 < madsen> pabs3: Haha, true! I'm a bit more into Motoko Kusanagi from Ghost in the Shell and Miyazaki's weird little creatures...
13:11 < crazy_bus> however instead of nothing the icons are just pages with and x or them.  What should I do?
13:11 < madsen> crazy_bus: Nice! Congrats!
13:11 < madsen> crazy_bus: Hehe, try 'unset SYNFIG_ROOT' in your terminal and run it again.
13:11 < madsen> pxegeek: Hmm, either 'madsen' or 'Anders K. Madsen' - whichever you think fits best with the rest of the page.
13:11 < crazy_bus> is synfigstudio the right command to load it.  Becasue im still getting the page with x's for icons
13:11 < madsen> crazy_bus: It is.
13:11 < pabs3> run it on the command line, should print out where it is looking for the icons
13:11 < madsen> Then try 'SYNFIG_ROOT=/usr/local synfigstudio'
13:11 < pabs3> madsen: tell him i so wanna reform akira. help him thru the pain. etc. then i wanna kidnap 10 of princess monoko's knocky head friends. cos they're so cute
13:11 < crazy_bus> SYNFIG_ROOT=/usr/local synfigstudio works.  I have icons :)
13:11 < madsen> pabs3: Haha, I've never seen Akira, but touche on the Princess Mononoke guys... And the soot-balls from Spirited Away. :)
13:11 < madsen> crazy_bus: Ok, then you can put this in your ~/.bashrc    alias synfigstudio='SYNFIG_ROOT=/usr/local synfigstudio'
13:11 < madsen> crazy_bus: Oh, 'alias' should have been in the same line as what followed it...
13:11 < pxegeek> How does this look? http://wiki.synfig.com/Gallery
13:11 < pabs3> madsen: DUDE, tell him to WATCH
13:11 < madsen> pabs3: What? What?!?
13:11 < pabs3> pxegeek: maybe a <br> after the image
13:11 < pabs3> madsen: Akira I presume :)
13:11 < pxegeek> Done
13:11 < pabs3> madsen: who made the music on yr googlepages?
13:11 < madsen> pabs3: Oh! Well, tell her I will! At some point! When I'm through all of Miyazaki's works, Cowboy Bebop, Samurai Champloo, Paranoia Agent and Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex - 2nd GIG.
13:11 < madsen> pabs3: I did.
13:11 < pabs3> cool :)
13:11 < madsen> You're probably better off going to my actual website: http://lillesvin.net - there's a music video as well. :)
13:11 < madsen> (And my server is on a 128 kbit connection for the time being, so be patient.)
13:11 < madsen> (The video is on youtube, so don't worry about that.)
13:11 < madsen> And "lille svin" means "little pig" in Danish.
13:11 < pxegeek> <2 and a half minute lag while everyone watches the video>
13:11 < madsen> lol!
13:11 < pxegeek> Sock puppet for president of the world!
13:11 < madsen> It's _really_ silly and I was bored out of my mind.
13:11 < pxegeek> I ;like it - reminds me of Pink Floyd - Echoes
13:11 < madsen> Really? Don't know that.
13:11  * madsen searches youtube.
13:11 < madsen> Hmm, can't seem to find it.
13:11 < pabs3> added links to google video and youtube searches for synfig on the site sidebar
13:11 < madsen> pabs3: Nice touch!
13:11 < madsen> Omg! I just noticed how horrible the audio/video sync is on the youtube version of my video... :( Much better in the original.
13:11 < pabs3> hmm, what else? yahoo video, delicious, hmm, nothing on myspace
13:11 < madsen> Nah, I think that's good for now, don't you? I mean, YouTube and Google Videos return almost identical results anyway...
13:11 < pxegeek> Madsen:I was close with echoes - I think it was actually meddle I was thinking of
13:11 < pxegeek> <also not on youtube> :(
13:11 < madsen> Don't know that either.
13:11 < madsen> pxegeek: Only Pink Floyd I sorta know, is The Wall... And I don't know it all too well.
13:11 < pabs3> theres stuff on youtube
13:11 < pabs3> ok
13:11 < pxegeek> Best year of my life was when I heard a track from "A momentary Lapse of reason", thought that's really great!  I wonder if they've done anything else
13:11 < pabs3> deleted yahoo video
13:11 < pxegeek> Only to find 20+ years of back catalogue
13:11 < pabs3> ooh, didn't see this: http://gnomedesktop.org/node/2518
13:11 < madsen> Hehe, this is fun. I've got 2 terminals connected to my screen session on my server - one on my macbook and on on my thinkpad, so now I can type with my left hand on the mac-keyboard and my right hand on the thinkpad keyboard... It takes a little longer, but the weirdness is worth it. :-p
13:11 < madsen> pxegeek: Lol! Same way I discovered Tom Waits.
13:11 < madsen> pabs3: Maybe time to post a little news post about the things currently going on. Maybe some vague hint about when a new release can be expected...? :)
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13:11 < pxegeek> madsen: http://pxegeek.home.comcast.net/pow.mp3 - let me know when you grab it, and I'll remove it from the webserver
13:11  * pabs3 off for late lunch, but yeah, prob time for some more news
13:11 < madsen> pxegeek: Grabbing now. Approx. 20 secs. left. What is it?
13:11 < madsen> pxegeek: it's down, remove at will. :)
13:11 < pxegeek> Pink floyd - "A Pillow of Winds" from the album Meddle
13:11 < madsen> pxegeek: Ok. Listening. :)
13:11 < madsen> pxegeek: Oh wait, I know Have a Cigar _very_ well. :)
13:11 < madsen> pxegeek: Nice song! I liked it!
13:11 < pxegeek> OK newbie question - how do I direct a comment to someone in particular?
13:11 < madsen> here?
13:11 < madsen>  /msg <nick> message
13:11 < pxegeek> That work?
13:11 < madsen> Not if you sent it to me...
13:11 < madsen> What client are you using?
13:11 < pxegeek> Miranda 
13:11 < pxegeek> It didn't give an error message, but didn't show in the log.
13:11 < pxegeek> Let me try again
13:11 < madsen> Hmm, don't know that... Most IRC-only clients supports /msg, but I'm not sure about a multi-protocol client.
13:11 < pxegeek> slash help only gets me so far
13:11 < madsen> Hint: If you type a space at the beginning of a line, then you can type stuff like:
13:11 < madsen>  /me ducks.
13:11 < pxegeek> Good to know
13:11 < pxegeek> I can list the commands available but not the syntax <grrr>
13:11 < madsen> It's nice the third time you try to answer where Linux puts the kernels and your irc client keeps yelling at you that it doesn't know what the heck you mean by /boot
13:11 < madsen> Maybe /help command ?
13:11 < pxegeek> Yes, it just lists the commands
13:11 < madsen> I mean, /help <some specific command>
13:11 < pxegeek> There's a privmsg, but it doesn't seem to recognise your nick
13:11 < madsen> Strange...
13:11 < pxegeek> Hmmm  space slash help doesn't seem to escape the command here.
13:11 < madsen> Far out...
13:11 < pabs3> most irc clients allow you to do //foo to make it show /foo
13:11 < pxegeek> Ah well, I'll just have to keep spamming the logs
13:11 < pabs3> pxegeek: what about /query ?
13:11 < madsen> Oh yeah, /query.
13:11 < pxegeek> slash slash help -> unknown command: slash help
13:11 < madsen> pxegeek: "07:47 -!- Irssi: Unknown command: foo" Mine doesn't allow //foo
13:11 < madsen> Wait... pabs3 -^ (Not pxegeek)
13:11 < pabs3> maybe its just xchat that does that
13:11 < madsen> pxegeek: /query madsen <msg>  doesn't work either?
13:11 < pxegeek> goes out to the ether...
13:11 < madsen> hmm
13:11 < madsen> pxegeek: And you didn't get the privmsg I just sent you?
13:11 < pxegeek> In which session?  
13:11  * pxegeek brain starts to melt
13:11 < pabs3> did you get mine?
13:11 < madsen> pxegeek: session?
13:11 < pxegeek> I have a separate window that popped up from madsen
13:11 < pxegeek> "Or I could just start a convo with you :)
13:11 < madsen> pxegeek: That's the one.
13:11 < pxegeek> pabs: did not get yours
13:11 < madsen> pxegeek: Can't you reply to that?
13:11 < pxegeek> madsen: I do but no response from you in that window :(
13:11 < pxegeek> Shows you as online there though
13:11 < madsen> pxegeek: That's because I haven't gotten any replies from you...
13:11  * pxegeek was typing, honestly!
13:11 < madsen> I know, but they never got here. :(
13:11 < madsen> I'm guessing it's Miranda's fault.
13:11 < madsen> Maybe time for a real irc-client? ;)
13:11 < pxegeek> Could be
13:11 < pxegeek> pabs: sorry - did see your msg eventually - your windows was buried.  
13:11 < pxegeek> Did you see a response from me?  
13:11 < pabs3> ah, yep
13:11 < madsen> Interesting.
13:11 < madsen> pabs3: did you start a query?
13:11 < pabs3> initially, then I closed it and did some /msg
13:11 < pxegeek> madsen: I hear you
13:11 < madsen> pxegeek: Did you send ^- that in the same window?
13:11 < pxegeek> 10:58:01 PM: Testing... *tap tap* Is this thing on?
13:11 < pxegeek>   10:58:44 PM: Can you hear me now?
13:11 < madsen> Then I can't...
13:11 < pxegeek> Send only IRC - I love it!
13:11 < pabs3> heh
13:11 < pxegeek> pabs session seems to be working better
13:11 < madsen> Definitely.
13:11 < madsen> Christ! I better get some sleep! It's 8am! My gf and her mum wants to meet up with me after lunch.
13:11 < pxegeek> Likewise s/8am/11pm
13:11 < madsen> pxegeek: Where're you at?
13:11 < pxegeek> PST USA
13:11 < madsen> Oh!
13:11 < madsen> Of course.
13:11 < pxegeek> But don't hold that against me - I'm an ex-pat Brit
13:11 < madsen> lol!
13:11 < madsen> pxegeek: I won't.
13:11 < pxegeek> 'night all
13:11 < madsen> Well, see you guys later.
13:11 < pabs3> laters 
13:11 < madsen> night
13:11  * madsen crashes and burns.
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13:11 < madsen> .snrub dna sehsarc nesdam *
13:11 < madsen> Who's around? I have a quick compile question.
13:11 < StateS> sorry... I haven't ever tried to compile synfig... I just download the binary versions...
13:11 < StateS> so... why do you crash and burn backwords?
13:11 < madsen> StateS: Compiling it isn't that bad. Packaging it for OS X is.
13:11 < crazy_bus> I'm around but I don't know anything
13:11 < madsen> StateS: Because I had to reverse my previous crash and burn.
13:11 < StateS> :P
13:11 < madsen> "08:05  * madsen crashes and burns."
13:11 < madsen> And now it's 11:30, I'm done crashing and burning.
13:11 < madsen> :)
13:11 < madsen> Or actually I didn't really crash and burn. I tried, but I got into a fight with my pillow and things got ugly, then I got up and drank a lot of coffee and all of a sudden I feel the urge to do something. Anything. E.g. Package Synfig for OS X.
13:11 < madsen> I need to recompile one single file with a special flag set - I _don't_ want to recompile the entire Synfig Core for it...
13:11 < StateS> cause it would take too long to compile the whole thing again eh?
13:11 < madsen> Yeah, well, I started this search a few minutes ago, so, yeah, so far it would.
13:11 < StateS> so basically... you are just trying to recompile with one special flag... and you don't know what the flag that you need is?
13:11 < madsen> No, I know what the flag is, I just don't know how to just recompile that single file.
13:11 < madsen> I need a fresh libmod_particle.so.
13:11 < madsen> Oh, how nice, there's a Makefile in src/synfig/modules/mod_particle :)
13:11 < madsen> *sigh* Can't use that for much - apparently. :-/
13:11 < StateS> well... it was nice talkin to y'all... gtg
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13:11 < madsen> StateS: See you later!
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13:11 < madsen> Ok... I really need that help on compiling that single file, because it seems to ignore me...
13:33 < dooglus> madsen: how about copying the line(s) that 'make' spits out when compiling the file, and adding the flag you want?
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13:55 < madsen> dooglus: Could do that, but I need the libtool line...
13:57 < madsen> I fixed it by recompiling all of synfig. And I can fix it before-hand next time in LDFLAGS. :) So no need anyways. :)
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14:57 -!- pabs3 changed the topic of #synfig to: http://www.synfig.com | MSGPAD: atrus couldn't reproduce the crash | status update: http://www.synfig.com/2007/02/13/synfig-status/
14:57 -!- pabs3 changed the topic of #synfig to: http://www.synfig.com | MSGPAD: pxegeek: atrus couldn't reproduce the crash | status update: http://www.synfig.com/2007/02/13/synfig-status/
15:10 < dooglus> I'm trying to fix the bug where deleting a vertex causes a crash
15:10 < dooglus> I thought I had already fixed it, but I found a new case which isn't fixed
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15:10 < dooglus> I think the problem is that line 541 of synfig/src/synfig/valuenode_dynamiclist.cpp is never reached
15:13 < dooglus> not 541 - my line numbers are messed up - but the line that says "get_root_canvas()->signal_value_node_child_removed()(this,value_node);"
15:15 < pabs3> looks like it cannot be reached
15:15 < pabs3> logic prevents it
15:16 < dooglus> yes
15:16 < pabs3> I'm thinking remove the && get_parent_canvas bit
15:16 < dooglus> the problem is that the absense of comments prevents me from knowing what the code is supposed to do there
15:16 < dooglus> I think it's only the root canvas which reacts to the signal_value_node_child_removed signal anyway
15:18 < pabs3> well, doesn't stop you from trying it :)
15:18 < pabs3> anyway, bedtime, nite
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16:53 < dooglus> hi
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