--- Log opened Wed Mar 07 00:00:04 2007
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01:07 < Spooger> Hi, just wondering if Synfig can be used for rotoscoping video?
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02:15 < dooglus> hi pabs
02:16 < pabs3> heya
02:17 < dooglus> i made a few commits today that you might want to check out
02:18 < pabs3> yep, saw :)
02:23 < dooglus> any idea why running 'svn log' in the gtkmm directory shows revision 264 first?
02:24 < pabs3> did you do svn up after committing?
02:24 < dooglus> no, do I need to?
02:24 < dooglus> hmmm, seems that I do.
02:25 < dooglus> it's strange, because I was at 264, and 265-267 were made by me, in this working directory...
02:25 < pabs3> yeah, annoying isn't it
02:26 < dooglus> I hadn't seen svn2cl before - that's quite nice.  and I see what you mean about the wrapped lines
02:26 < pabs3> we need a websvn app or to move to sf.net
02:26 < pabs3> I intend to generate a ChangeLog for the release using it
02:27 < dooglus> svn2cl --reparagraph almost looks OK
02:27 < pabs3> yeah, breaks some bits though
02:27 < dooglus> but then, it joins lines which I don't want joined - like the 'export ...' lines in r267
02:28 < pabs3> yup
02:28 < dooglus> it would be useful if you included the --include-rev flag
02:29 < pabs3> yeah, I'm using -i atm
02:30 < dooglus> good
03:00 < pabs3> dooglus: what do you think is the right thing to do about the win32 thing?
03:08 < dooglus> I suggested he try a simple #undef DELETE
03:10 < dooglus> /mingw/include/winnt.h has:
03:10 < dooglus> #define DELETE0x00010000L
03:10 < dooglus> (with a tabe after DELETE)
03:10 < dooglus> tab
03:35 < pabs3> yeah, I'm wondering why the workaround in the gtkmm header doesn't work, and why the Gtk::Stock:: namespace prefix doesn't differentiate it
03:35 < pabs3> <Clint> someone set us up the bombe
03:40 < dooglus> I guess cpp doesn't know anything about namespaces?
03:40 < dooglus> look at http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/define.cpp for instance
03:41 < dooglus> then:   $ g++ -E define.cpp  | grep ^main
03:41 < dooglus> main() { cout << foo::2 << endl; }
03:41 < dooglus> the 'foo::' bit doesn't stop 'TWO' from being replaced by the #define'd value
03:48 < pabs3> grr
03:52 < pabs3> so any theories on why the thing in gtkmm/stock.h doesn't work?
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04:28 < dooglus> maybe winnt.h is being included after stock.h?
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05:33 < pabs3> hmmm, possibly
05:58 < pxegeek> OK - here's a useability question that's been bugging me.
05:58 < pxegeek> When I creat a Bline, I get two new layers - outline and region
06:00 < pxegeek> When I click on the green dot to move them, I only move the region
06:00 < pxegeek> It drives me crazy that they're not automatically linked together when they're created together....
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13:42 < pabs3> sweet, povray 4.0 will be under an OSI approved licence :D
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14:58 < pabs3> 6 errors left till libavcodec plugin fixed
14:59 < pabs3> http://rafb.net/p/7c7Lu378.html
15:01 < igli> blimey is it using a new lib or something?
15:02 < pabs3> using the debian libavcodec-dev/libavformat-dev packages at the 
15:02 < pabs3> moment
15:03 < pabs3> argh, wtf is an AVPacket
15:03 < pabs3> (5 warnings about something being depreciated)
15:04 < igli> yeah but no member fn and too many args to fn errors seems like new version of something at least
15:05 < pabs3> yeah, this plugin is ancient and ffmpeg apis move like a racing car
15:06 < igli> heh who coded it
15:07 < pabs3> probably darco
15:07 < pabs3> yep, him and adrian bently
15:12 < igli> so who maintains it?
15:13 < pabs3> ah... maintainers of synfig
15:13 < pabs3> aka whoever wants to get involved :)
15:14 < igli> heh don't mind helping here and there
15:14 < igli> be easier if it were a small thing like a plugin
15:15 < pabs3> got the synfig svn?
15:16 < igli> yeah haven't update for a bit
15:19 < pabs3> wanna see if you can figure out the AVPicture thing? if so I can send you my current diff
15:19 < igli> yeah k
15:19 < pabs3> coolies
15:19 < igli> slong@rathaus.eclipse.co.uk ;)
15:20 < pabs3> so, svn up, svn rm src/modules/mod_libavcodec/libav*
15:20 < igli> tell me which files etc and outline your understanding of it ;)
15:20 < igli> hang on
15:21 < igli> blimey it's been a while since i used svn- let me get a cuppa tea, and i'll brb
15:25 < pabs3> cd synfig/ ; wget http://bucket.chianamo.mine.nu/libavcodecfix.patch ; patch -p0 < libavcodecfix.patch
15:25 < pabs3> ... hack away
15:25  * pabs3 brb, foodles
15:26  * pabs3 needs some good hacking music
15:28 < igli> heh amarok radio
15:33 < pabs3> there be klingons in that there code
15:36 < Bombe> I recommend some nice goa or psytrance for coding. :)
15:37 < Bombe> Philosomatika immediately comes to my mind.
15:37 < igli> k let me get my synfig dirs open
15:39 < igli> i need svn co right? or is there an update cmd?
15:39 < pabs3> svn up
15:39 < igli> k
15:41 < igli> ok synfig is on rev 270
15:41 < igli> now rm that dir yeah?
15:41 < igli> ah svn rm sorry never seen that
15:42 < pabs3> either is fine
15:43 < igli> ok libavcodec and libavformat dirs + files deleted by svn
15:43 < pabs3> you'll need the libavcodec/libavformat libraries installed, with pgkconfig files in place
15:44 < igli> heh? on my system you mean? not in the synfig dir iow
15:44 < pabs3> yeah, on the system. in debian that means libavformat-dev, on gentoo, prob just ffmpeg
15:45 < igli> k i'll assume for now i've got it; 3 files patched
15:45 < igli> should i update ETL and install as well?
15:46 < igli> heh only readme and authors updated so i guess i can stick to the version installed for now
15:46 < pabs3> yep
15:47 < igli> right so where should i begin? am i trying to get it to compile as is?
15:47 < pabs3> ./bootstrap ; ./configure --with-libavcodec ; make -C src/modules/mod_libavcodec/
15:47 < pabs3> (after applying the patch)
15:48 < igli> oops i'd started a make ;)
15:48 < pabs3> :)
15:48 < igli> no make clean option?
15:48 < igli> k just doing bootstrap then
15:50 < igli> started make
15:51 < igli>  /usr/include/ffmpeg/avformat.h:249: warning: think same as yours
15:52 < igli> trgt_av.cpp:401: error: 'ost' was not declared in this scope <-first real err but i guess you wanna sort out ffmpeg stuff too
15:55 < igli> hmm pabs3 i can't find ost anywhere else in the file; it's accessing ost->index at l 401; any ideas?
15:56 < igli> sorry obviously i don't know any of this code yet
16:02 < pabs3> yeah, thats the fault of the patch
16:02 < pabs3> I was attempting to add AVPacket stuff
16:03 < pabs3> delete those 3 lines 399-401
16:03 < pabs3> then you get to the real errors
16:04 < igli> lovely
16:05 < igli> yeah pkt isn't even used
16:07 < igli> man it's using a completely different av_write_frame
16:07 < igli> think that's prob'y what pkt is for :)
16:09 < pabs3> yep, found some code on the web, was gonna try it
16:09 < igli> cool
16:10 < igli> was gonna say i need to finish a bit of other stuff; need to research libffmpeg as well
16:10 < igli> you working on this now?
16:10 < pabs3> libffmpeg?! they'd never freeze APIs enough for that
16:11 < pabs3> nah, eatin
16:11 < igli> k talk l8r
16:11 < igli> need some docs on ffmpeg tho
16:12 < igli> i'll look it up l8r, but if you have any let me know
16:16 < pabs3> only the include files and google atm
16:16 < igli> bleurh
16:50 < pabs3> wow, got it to build
16:54 < pabs3> now totest it
16:57 < igli> yay
17:01  * pabs3 chuckles, build my pretty, BUILD
17:02 < pabs3> damn I need a faster machine
17:03 < igli> muahahaha
17:06 < Bombe> :)
17:10 < pabs3> install failed :( http://rafb.net/p/VCRA9A73.html
17:16 < igli> cannot install `libmod_libavcodec.la' to a directory not ending in /usr/local/lib/synfig/modules
17:16 < igli> it's not a code prob yet
17:21 < pabs3> looks like a contaminated libtool script, fixed with a make clean
17:30 < pabs3> hmmm, another error cus synfig is looking for mod_libavcodec.so instead of libmod_libavcodec.so
17:43 < pabs3> yay for ccache
18:08 < pabs3> ah, not linking against the right libs :/
18:24 < pabs3> woot, got it to run, but it crashes
18:24 < pabs3> http://rafb.net/p/RWV0Bq73.html
18:24 < pabs3> igli: shall I commit and let you play with it?
18:25 < pabs3> anyone else? dooglus Bombe ?
18:25 < igli> yeah do that
18:25 < igli> not sure when i'll get to it mind
18:28 < pabs3> ok, committed are 271
18:28 < pabs3> eep 2:30 am, bedtime for me
18:28 < Bombe> I'll try it. It's all in svn?
18:28 < pabs3> yep
18:28 < Bombe> Okay.
18:29 < pabs3> might want to review the changes I made too
18:29 < pabs3> anyways, zzz
18:29 < Bombe> Good night!
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18:33 < dooglus> igli: what was pabs3 asking there?
18:33 < dooglus> (I see my name, but don't understand the question)
18:33 < igli> he's working on avcodec plugin
18:34 < dooglus> ok
18:34 < igli> svn rm src/modules/mod_libavcodec/libav* then wget http://bucket.chianamo.mine.nu/libavcodecfix.patch ; patch -p0 < libavcodecfix.patch
18:34 < igli> then whatever fixes he was working on
18:35 < Bombe> Should all be in svn now.
18:39 < dooglus> ok, but even the gif stuff crashes when used, so I think there's something pretty fundamental wrong here
18:40 < Bombe> Hmm... the av crash seems to be related to some colorspace-stuff.
18:40 < Bombe> [mpeg4 @ 0xb759d5a8]only YUV420 is supported
18:40 < Bombe> I managed to reproduce it. :)
18:50 < dooglus> strange
18:50 < dooglus> when I ./configure, I see:
18:50 < dooglus> checking for libavcodec... yes
18:50 < dooglus> but then:
18:50 < dooglus> at the end, "libavcodec -----------------------> no"
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18:53 < StateS> anyone here?
18:55 < dooglus> yes
18:55 < StateS> hi
18:55 < dooglus> hi
18:55 < dooglus> you going to ask about rotoscoping?
18:55 < StateS> I was wondering if anyone else was having the same problem I was...
18:55 < dooglus> oh, ok :)
18:55 < StateS> rotowhatsthat?
18:56 < StateS> whenever I try to execute the program it just exits on me...
18:56 < dooglus> heh
18:56 < StateS> it doesn't even go to the gui...
18:56 < dooglus> I was getting you mixed up with someone else
18:56 < dooglus> which OS?
18:56 < StateS> WindowsXP SP2
18:57 < dooglus> which version?
18:57 < StateS> latest svn build on the site... I believe that it is 642 or something like that...
18:58 < StateS> ooops
18:58 < StateS> I mean 264...
18:58 < StateS> my bad :P
18:58 < dooglus> 264, right.
18:58 < dooglus> I've not tried it, but that's a very new build - like from yesterday or something
18:58 < StateS> actually it was happening with the last build that I tried as well... which would be 240...
18:59 < dooglus> you're running synfigstudio, not synfig, right?
18:59 < dooglus> (synfig is a command line tool - double clicking its icon won't do much)
18:59 < StateS> yup
18:59 < StateS> running synfigstudio
19:01 < dooglus> you installed all 3 of gtkmm, synfig, and synfigstudio?
19:01 < dooglus> (you need all 3)
19:01 < StateS> yups
19:01 < StateS> i also have the latest gtk installed...
19:01 < StateS> 2.10.8 I believe...
19:01 < StateS> got it from the same place that I got gaim
19:01 < dooglus> I can't help you then, sorry.  I don't run Windows, so I've not tried that build.
19:02 < dooglus> hopefully someone else here has, and can offer suggestions
19:02 < StateS> dang...
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19:02 < dooglus> Bombe was talking not long ago - maybe he'll wake up when I say his name
19:02 < StateS> well... I posted the error a while back on the tracker...
19:02 < StateS> screenshot and everything...
19:02 < dooglus> bug number?
19:03 < StateS> not sure...
19:03 < StateS> I think that I posted it to the support tracker, at least that is where I was told to put it...
19:03 < dooglus> oh, I see
19:03 < Bombe> Sorry, I don't run windows, either. :)
19:04 < dooglus> "I finally got synfig to stop giving me dll errors only to find that it
19:04 < dooglus> gives another error, and it doesn't even startup... it just shows the error
19:04 < dooglus> and closes..."?
19:04 < dooglus> is that you?
19:04 < StateS> meh... it's ok, I'm sure it will be fixed eventually...
19:04 < StateS> ??? u talkin to me?
19:04 < dooglus> yes
19:04 < dooglus> that's from the support tracker
19:05 < StateS> yup
19:05 < StateS> that's me
19:05 < dooglus> so what's the error it shows?
19:05 < StateS> This application has requested the Runtime to terminate it in an unusual way. Please contact the application's support team for more information.
19:06 < igli> thanks Bombe i'll check it out
19:06 < StateS> before that it shows some other things... namely:
19:06 < dooglus> ok
19:06 < StateS> synfig(2336): warning: IPC::make_connection(): Unable to connect to previous instance. GetLastError=2
19:06 < dooglus> I see the screenshot
19:07 < StateS> and this other thing as well... but since you can see the screenshot I'm sure you can see what I'm talkin bout...
19:07 < dooglus> looks like it things synfigstudio is already running
19:07 < dooglus> so instead of starting a new copy, it tries to connect to the existing copy
19:07 < dooglus> but since it's not really running, it fails
19:07 < StateS> right...
19:08 < dooglus> question is: why does it think it's already running.
19:08 < StateS> dunno...
19:08 < StateS> then it also says that it cannot open pixbuf... yadda yadda yadda... gdk-pixbuff.loaders': No such file yadda yadda yadda...
19:10 < dooglus> I think if we can fix the first problem then the rest will be OK
19:10 < dooglus> I'm looking now to see what's going on with the code
19:10 < StateS> thank you :)
19:12 < igli> well his revs compile (once you get rid of the deliberate errors <<<<<<<)
19:13 < Bombe> Well, guys, I'm out for today. See you tomorrow!
19:13 < dooglus> do you have a 'Synfig' directory in your 'home' directory?
19:14 < StateS> you mean C:\Synfig?
19:14 < StateS> no...
19:14 < StateS> I have it in program files
19:14 < dooglus> I think I mean C:\Documents and Settings\<yourname>\
19:15 < StateS> no I do not have a synfig dir in that directory either...
19:15 < dooglus> what about in a subdirectory of there?
19:16 < dooglus> try a:
19:16 < dooglus> dir /s Synfig
19:16 < dooglus> in there?
19:16 < dooglus> (/s for search, I think)
19:17 < StateS> nops...
19:17 < StateS> nada...
19:17 < StateS> no synfig dir in any of the subdirs...
19:17 < dooglus> what if you do the same in  C:\
19:17 < dooglus> ?
19:18 < dooglus> search the whole disk for directories called Synfig?
19:18 < dooglus> dir/a:d/s Synfig
19:18 < dooglus> I think /a:d means only find directories
19:20 < StateS> searching now... so far only in program files did a directory appear with the name of synfig...
19:21 < dooglus> synfigstudio uses a fifo in $HOME/Synfig to detect if it's already running
19:22 < dooglus> (where $HOME is the value returned by Glib::get_home_dir() - and I don't know what that is on Windows)
19:22 < StateS> ... maybe the program doesn't create a directory in the home directory in windows to begin with... but if that were true than it wouldn't say that the program was already running...
19:22 < StateS> hmmm...
19:23 < dooglus> it should create the Synfig dir if it doesn't exist.  I often delete it to get back to default settings
19:29 < dooglus> igli: what are the deliberate errors you had to get rid of?
19:30 < StateS> both dirs with the name synfig found are from program files...
19:31 < dooglus> oh
19:31 < igli> he put some mine <<<<<<<<<<<<< line
19:32 < igli> trgt_av.cpp ll 399-415
19:32 < dooglus> so the change to config/configure.ac is OK for you?
19:32 < igli> who?
19:32 < dooglus> you :)
19:33 < igli> heh well i use gentoo, but one of the devs was saying the bootstrap needs work
19:33 < igli> i made an ebuild that uses the bootstrap
19:34 < igli> i introduced pabs3 to antarus (the dev) to talk about the gentoo side
19:34 < igli> he said you should use autoreconf or something
19:34 < dooglus> ok
19:35 < igli> i don't know autotools at all
19:35 < dooglus> does it need both libavcodecs and libavformat?
19:35 < igli> what the plugin?
19:35 < dooglus> yes
19:36 < igli> don't really know yet tbh :)
19:36 < igli> i know it has both dirs originally
19:36 < igli> but this is the first time i've looked at any of the code (apart from doxygen docs when i was making the ebuild)
19:38 < dooglus> ok
19:38 < dooglus> I've not looked at this bit of it either, but the output from configure is strange
20:50 < dooglus> hmmm.  I also reproduced the problem
20:50 < dooglus> and found that not linking with libavformat fixes it (?
20:55 < dooglus> oh, not linking with libavformat causes the avcodec plugin not to load at all, I see
22:00 < igli> pabs3 seemed to know his way round it?
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22:28 < dooglus> yes
22:28 < dooglus> I've just realised that the 2 bugs I 'fixed' yesterday aren't fixed at all.
22:29 < igli> heh
22:29 < igli> the joy of debugging :P
22:29 < dooglus> I was sure yesterday that they were, but no.
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