--- Log opened Mon Mar 19 00:00:02 2007
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00:01 < StateS> hello all
00:01 < StateS> ^_^
00:05 < zotz> hey
00:16 < StateS> goodbye all
00:16 < StateS> :P
00:16 < StateS> gtg
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17:51 < zloc> can you add time after initial creation?
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18:28 < wildhostile> good morning
18:29 < wildhostile> is there somebody?
18:30 < Atrus[work]> good evening :) No, I dont see anybody and now go home. b?e?
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18:30 < wildhostile> lol
18:31 < wildhostile> I'm trying to install synfigstudio
18:32 < wildhostile> but the configure script stop on an error
18:33 < wildhostile> this one : 
18:33 < wildhostile> checking for synfig ETL sigc++-2.0... configure: error:  ** Unable to set up dependent libraries
18:34 < wildhostile> Do you know the problem?
18:37 < wildhostile> Do you know where i can see le missing depandencies?
18:46 < wildhostile> the
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18:53 < wildhostile> good evening zipola
18:53 < wildhostile> can you help me?
18:53 < zipola> Probably not.
18:54 < wildhostile> lol
18:54 < wildhostile> ok
18:54 < wildhostile> have you succeeded to install synfig and synfigstudio?
18:58 < igli> wildhostile: have you checked the wiki to make sure you have dependencies? In this case I think you need the ETL lib which is a dep of synfig (dep of studio)
18:58 < igli> IOW you haven't installed everything
18:59 < wildhostile> igli, i suceed to install synfig
18:59 < wildhostile> so etl is good
18:59 < igli> hmm that's strange
18:59 < igli> ah sigc++
18:59 < wildhostile> I can't install synfigstudio
18:59 < igli> sorry you have sigc++?
19:00 < wildhostile> igli you speak french?
19:00 < igli> en peu, mais pas trop
19:00 < wildhostile> ah ok
19:00 < igli> :)
19:00 < wildhostile> lol
19:00 < wildhostile> i think i have libsigc++ too
19:01 < wildhostile> and libsigc++-devel
19:01 < wildhostile> i am on fedora core 6
19:01 < igli> you definitely need the devel pkg; check
19:01 < wildhostile> what devel pkg?
19:02 < wildhostile> libsigc++-devel?
19:03 < wildhostile> i have libsigc++-20 and libsigc++-20 installed too
19:04 < wildhostile> my theory is that i compile etl with normal ./configure script
19:05 < wildhostile> but synfig with ./configure --enable-optimisation=0
19:05 < wildhostile> as it is said in the faq
19:06 < wildhostile> what do you think?
19:08 < igli> y libsigc++-devel
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19:08 < igli> iirc the gcc bug is ok in that O3 gets filtered now
19:09 < wildhostile> it is ok?
19:09 < wildhostile> i show you all the error message
19:09 < wildhostile> wait
19:10 < igli> :)
19:10 < wildhostile> checking GTKMM_CFLAGS... -pthread -I/usr/include/gtkmm-2.4 -I/usr/lib/gtkmm-2.4/include -I/usr/include/glibmm-2.4 -I/usr/lib/glibmm-2.4/include -I/usr/include/gdkmm-2.4 -I/usr/lib/gdkmm-2.4/include -I/usr/include/pangomm-1.4 -I/usr/include/atkmm-1.6 -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/include/sigc++-2.0 -I/usr/lib/sigc++-2.0/include -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/
19:10 < wildhostile> include -I/usr/include/cairomm-1.0 -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/freetype2 -I/usr/include/libpng12 -I/usr/include/atk-1.0  
19:10 < wildhostile> checking GTKMM_LIBS... -pthread -L/lib -lgtkmm-2.4 -lgdkmm-2.4 -latkmm-1.6 -lgtk-x11-2.0 -lpangomm-1.4 -lcairomm-1.0 -lglibmm-2.4 -lsigc-2.0 -lgdk-x11-2.0 -latk-1.0 -lgdk_pixbuf-2.0 -lm -lpangocairo-1.0 -lpango-1.0 -lcairo -lgobject-2.0 -lgmodule-2.0 -ldl -lgthread-2.0 -lrt -lglib-2.0  
19:10 < wildhostile> checking for synfig ETL sigc++-2.0... configure: error:  ** Unable to set up dependent libraries
19:11 < igli> i'd make sure you have libsigc++-devel
19:11 < igli> since you already have ETL and synfig
19:11 < wildhostile> i think i had
19:12 < wildhostile> i have
19:13 < wildhostile> synfig is installed
19:13 < wildhostile> i can't install synsfigstudio
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19:14 < wildhostile> maybe it is the gtkmmlib
19:14 < igli> i'd make sure you have libsigc++-devel
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19:15 < wildhostile> you would to see if have libsigc++-devel installed?
19:15 < wildhostile> you would like to see if i have libsigc++-devel installed?
19:16 < wildhostile> it is that?
19:16 < igli> si je le crois
19:17 < igli> s/si je/si, je/
19:18 < wildhostile> non
19:18 < wildhostile> si tu veux le savoir
19:18 < wildhostile> how can i show you that?
19:19 < wildhostile> wait
19:26 < wildhostile> igli
19:26 < wildhostile> yum info libsigc++-devel
19:26 < wildhostile> Installed Packages
19:26 < wildhostile> Name   : libsigc++-devel
19:27 < wildhostile> Arch   : i386
19:27 < wildhostile> Version: 1.2.7
19:27 < wildhostile> Release: 4.fc6
19:27 < wildhostile> Size   : 289 k
19:27 < wildhostile> Repo   : installed
19:27 < wildhostile> Summary: Development tools for the typesafe signal framework for C++
19:27 < wildhostile> Description:
19:27 < wildhostile> The libsigc++-devel package contains the static libraries and header files
19:27 < wildhostile> needed for development with libsigc++.
19:32 < igli> 1 sec wildhostile
19:32 < wildhostile> ok igli
19:44 < dooglus> omg!  talking!  on #synfig!!!
19:44 < wildhostile> ?
19:45 < dooglus> zloc: Re: "can you add time after initial creation?", yes:  (canvas) > edit > properties > time
19:47 < dooglus> wildhostile: are you using the latest source from svn?  or old packaged source?
19:48 < wildhostile> dooglus i download the svn356
19:48 < wildhostile> i downloaded
19:50 < dooglus> wildhostile: ok
19:51 < dooglus> wildhostile: I built r356 from scratch just today on debian unstable, so I know it builds
19:51 < wildhostile> ah ok dooglus 
19:51 < dooglus> when it says "checking for synfig ETL sigc++-2.0... configure: error:  ** Unable to set up dependent libraries", it means one of those 3 are missing
19:51 < wildhostile> i am on fedora core 6
19:52 < dooglus> did you 'make install' for both etl and synfig?
19:52 < wildhostile> ah ok
19:52 < wildhostile> yes i did 
19:52 < wildhostile> what i don't understand is taht i have synfig install
19:52 < wildhostile> i show you that
19:53 < wildhostile> wait
19:53 < wildhostile> [wildhostile@localhost ~]$ synfig
19:53 < wildhostile> syntax: synfig [DEFAULT OPTIONS] ([SIF FILE] [SPECIFIC OPTIONS])...
19:53 < wildhostile>  --help                 Print out usage and syntax info
19:53 < wildhostile> [wildhostile@localhost ~]$ 
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19:55 < dooglus> can you:    ls -l /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/synfig.pc
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19:56 < wildhostile> yes
19:56 < wildhostile> wait
19:56 < dooglus> also:    /usr/lib/pkgconfig/sigc++-2.0.pc
19:56 < dooglus> (sorry, with ls -l again)
19:56 < wildhostile> ok
19:57 < dooglus> could this be the problem:
19:57 < dooglus> 19:26 < wildhostile> Name   : libsigc++-devel
19:57 < dooglus> 19:27 < wildhostile> Arch   : i386
19:57 < dooglus> 19:27 < wildhostile> Version: 1.2.7
19:57 < dooglus> it wants 2.0, and you have 1.2.7?
19:57 < wildhostile> ah ok
19:57 < wildhostile> you think?
19:57 < dooglus> yes
19:58 < wildhostile> but i have it too
19:58 < dooglus> and the -dev package for it?
19:58 < wildhostile> i think
19:58 < wildhostile> wait i look for it
19:59 < wildhostile> just a minute
20:02 < wildhostile> i can't find it
20:02 < wildhostile> i will try this option
20:02 < wildhostile> thank you dooglus 
20:02 < dooglus> no problem
20:03 < dooglus> update from svn, too;  I made a couple of small changes today
20:03 < wildhostile> ah ok
20:03 < dooglus> nothing important
20:03 < wildhostile> thank you
20:03 < wildhostile> ok
20:03 < wildhostile> i will see
20:04 < wildhostile> it is good
20:04 < wildhostile> dooglus, 
20:04 < wildhostile> it is not that
20:05 < dooglus> did you run those 'ls -l' commands?
20:05 < wildhostile> i have libsigc++20 and libsigc++20-devel installed
20:06 < wildhostile> wait i try
20:07 < wildhostile> for the first one o btainthis
20:07 < wildhostile> obtain this:
20:07 < wildhostile> [root@localhost wildhostile]# ls -l /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/synfig.pc
20:07 < wildhostile> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 253 mar 19 12:36 /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/synfig.pc
20:07 < dooglus> ok
20:08 < dooglus> try: ls -l /usr/lib/pkgconfig/sigc*
20:08 < wildhostile> for the second i obtain this:
20:08 < wildhostile> [root@localhost wildhostile]# ls -l /usr/lib/pkgconfig/sigc++-2.0.pc
20:08 < wildhostile> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 256 aoû 28  2006 /usr/lib/pkgconfig/sigc++-2.0.pc
20:09 < wildhostile> and for the last i obtain this:
20:09 < wildhostile> [root@localhost wildhostile]# ls -l /usr/lib/pkgconfig/sigc*
20:09 < wildhostile> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 251 oct 10 09:10 /usr/lib/pkgconfig/sigc++-1.2.pc
20:09 < wildhostile> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 256 aoû 28  2006 /usr/lib/pkgconfig/sigc++-2.0.pc
20:09 < dooglus> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 276 2006-09-22 07:35 /usr/lib/pkgconfig/sigc++-2.0.pc
20:09 < dooglus> so it's strange
20:10 < dooglus> ls -l /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/ETL.pc
20:10 < wildhostile> you have the same config?
20:10 < dooglus> I have the same 2 files.  so it must be ETL?
20:10 < wildhostile> [root@localhost wildhostile]# ls -l /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/ETL.pc
20:10 < wildhostile> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 229 mar 19 11:34 /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/ETL.pc
20:11 < wildhostile> maybe i have to retry configured all the packages
20:12 < wildhostile> to configure
20:13 < wildhostile> with libxml1.0
20:13 < wildhostile> libxml++1.0
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20:15 < dooglus> I think the problem has to be with one of the 3 it mentions
20:16 < wildhostile> ok dooglus
20:16 < wildhostile> what i will do
20:16 < wildhostile> i wil retry all the procedure
20:17 < dooglus> ok
20:17 < wildhostile> and i will comme back towmorrow if it really doesn't work
20:17 < wildhostile> thank you very much for your help
20:19 < wildhostile> good night dooglus thanks
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20:21 < teak> anyone here able to give a bit of advice?
20:21 < teak> dooglus?
20:21 < dooglus> yes?
20:22 < teak> hey
20:22 < dooglus> hi there
20:22 < dooglus> what's up?
20:22 < teak> i have a non-working synfig here
20:23 < dooglus> is there any other kind?  ;)
20:23 < teak> gonna try a complete reinstall including compile
20:23 < dooglus> ok
20:23 < teak> should i go with svn?
20:23 < teak> or the latest links on the site?
20:23 < dooglus> which OS?
20:23 < teak> ubuntu 6.10 (upgrade from an older install)
20:23 < dooglus> if you're going to build it for yourself then use svn
20:24 < teak> yes, for myself
20:24 < dooglus> it's only worth using the links on the site if you want a precompiled binary
20:25 < dooglus> it should be easy enough to build on ubuntu
20:25 < teak> i tried one the other day on another box, didn't really work when done, plus, seemed like polygon is gone... should it be?
20:25 < dooglus> the build instructions were written for debian
20:25 < teak> I will have a go now.
20:25 < teak> i will give a short report when done.
20:25 < dooglus> yes - polygon isn't there by default because you can make polygons with the bline tool
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20:26 < dooglus> but you can "export SYNFIG_ENABLE_POLYGON=1" to get it back
20:26 < dooglus> (at runtime)
20:26 < teak> k
20:26 < dooglus> more useful, replace POLYGON with DRAW to get the draw tool back
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20:27 < teak> I think I remember the draw tool being there and one called sketch
20:27 < teak> might be mixing boxes though
20:27 < dooglus> you're right
20:28 < dooglus> SYNFIG_ENABLE_SKETCH=1 works, too
20:28 < dooglus> 'draw' turns a freehand line into a smooth bline
20:28 < dooglus> whereas 'sketch' is just a bitmap layer
20:29 < teak> yup
20:29 < teak> figured something liek that
20:34 < teak> any problems if I give --prefix /usr during config stage for the three?
20:34 < dooglus> I never tried
20:34 < dooglus> I let it default to /usr/local
20:34 < dooglus> I already had official packages for synfig installed in /usr
20:35 < teak> i willtry /usr then
20:35 < dooglus> ok
20:35 < teak> etl done
20:36 < dooglus> etl is very quick, synfig is slower, synfigstudio is slowest
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20:37 < teak> i have done it before on a different box so I have some idea
20:37 < teak> just didn't work great
20:37 < teak> hope to bang at it until it does this time
20:37 < dooglus> the whole thing takes about 11 minutes to build on this box
20:38 < dooglus> there's usually an issue with it not finding the icons, which is fixed with an environment variable
20:38 < teak> gotta install the optional stuff as well though
20:38 < dooglus> export SYNFIG_ROOT=/usr/local
20:38 < dooglus> optional stuff?
20:38 < teak> Optional: libltdl, libpng, libtiff, libjpeg, libfreetype, libfontconfig, libopenexr, libavcodec, vimage (MacOS only, proprietary)
20:39 < dooglus> oh I see
20:39 < dooglus> you'll install all those from binary packages though, right?
20:39 < teak> yes
20:49 < teak> ./bootstrap on synfig now
20:49 < teak> can i just followthe build instructions or do i need to watch for that compile bug?
20:52 < teak> make in progress
20:54 < dooglus> I think you just follow the instructions
20:56 < teak> i think so too
21:06 < teak> synfig done
21:09 < dooglus> that took a while
21:11 < teak> too long to install the optionals
21:12 < teak> synfigstudio make ison
21:12 < dooglus> you might want the 4 optional tools:
21:12 < dooglus> export SYNFIG_ENABLE_POLYGON=1
21:12 < dooglus> export SYNFIG_ENABLE_DRAW=1
21:12 < dooglus> export SYNFIG_ENABLE_SKETCH=1
21:12 < dooglus> export SYNFIG_ENABLE_WIDTH=1
21:13 < teak> this is before starting synfigstudio right?
21:13 < teak> or before make?
21:14 < teak> runtime it compiletime dooglus ???
21:14 < teak> runtime or compiletime even
21:15 < dooglus> runtime
21:15 < dooglus> ie. it's something you can set up while waiting for the build to finish
21:15 < teak> right
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21:44 < teak> ok, icons are all missing
21:44 < teak>  Error loading icon: Failed to open file '/pixmaps/canvas_icon.png': No such file or directory
21:44 < teak> errors like that
21:50 < dooglus> yes
21:50 < dooglus> export SYNFIG_ROOT=/usr
21:50 < teak> k
21:52 < teak> do i need to put all of these exports in my bashrc or something?
21:54 < dooglus> I *think* ubuntu sources ~/.xprofile
21:54 < dooglus> so you could put them in there
21:55 < teak> i will look around
21:55 < dooglus> if you put them in .bashrc, they'll only be defined in terminals
21:55 < teak> thanks for all your help
21:55 < dooglus> running synfig from a toolbar icon won't see the variables
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22:12 < dooglus> teak: incidentally, what did you mean earlier about synfig 'cutting your hip'?
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23:11 < teak> dooglus, giving me a hard time...
23:12 < teak> a cut hip down here refers to getting the belt or stick on the butt when you are a kid.
23:14 < teak> all of the animation programs i wanted to show at the lug cut my hip though
23:14 < teak> stopmotion would not see the dv camera
23:15 < teak> synfig would not let me draw anything or show already made animations and ktoon sort of worked after some coaxing.
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