--- Log opened Fri Mar 23 00:00:02 2007
00:12 < dooglus> hi teak
00:17 < teak> hey dooglus 
00:17 < teak> working on another ufo video
00:17 < teak> figured how to scale (using zoom to do it)
00:20 < dooglus> did you work out how to use the zoom tool?  or the zoom layer?
00:20 < dooglus> I've never managed to get the 'smooth move', 'scale' or 'rotate' tools to do anything at all
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01:29 < dooglus> good morning pabs
01:29 < pabs3> morning dooglus 
01:29 < dooglus> to answer your question:  the scrollbar under the timetrack is for scrolling the timetrack
01:30 < dooglus> it's only needed if the animation is more than 10s long
01:32 < pabs3> ahh, ok
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02:10 < teak> dooglus, I made zoom work to scale my "thing"
02:10 < teak> I am not sure about scale
02:10 < teak> I got rotate to work as well.
02:11 < teak> well as a layer I think
02:11 < teak> would you like me to send you my sif file?
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02:13 < dooglus> I know how to use the rotate and zoom layers
02:13 < dooglus> but not the tools
02:14 < dooglus> the 'smooth move' tool has a single option: 'radius' - what's that for?  does it only move circles?   I don't understand.  Maybe it requires a graphics tablet to work properly?
02:19 < zotz> ah, right
02:20 < zotz> (teak here on anotehr box)
02:22 < zotz> I have a wacom here dooglus - I will plug it in and see if it gives any hints to me...
02:32 < pabs3> dooglus: those changes you made to fix 1684240 for the other gradient types, is it just me or are they using the same code?
02:32 < dooglus> pabs3: pretty much
02:32 < pabs3> hmm, ok
02:32 < dooglus> 2 of them don't have the zigzag check
02:33 < dooglus> and it's copies of the same code, right?
02:33 < dooglus> (you can't zigzag spirals or conicals)
02:39 < dooglus> negative RGB values?
02:47 < pabs3> sure, why not :)
02:51 < dooglus> just because?
02:51 < dooglus> what's negative light?
02:51 < dooglus> if 0 is the absense of light, ie. pitch blackness
02:51 < dooglus> what's -1?
02:51 < pabs3> light being absorbed
02:51 < pabs3> or adsorbed
02:52 < pabs3> say for instance a special gas that eats light when you shine a torch thru it
02:52 < pabs3> or milk even
02:52 < dooglus> http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=absorbed&word2=adsorbed
02:52 < dooglus> ok
02:53 < dooglus> so like a filter
02:53 < pabs3> yeah. no idea how it works mathmatically though :)
02:58 < dooglus> I didn't realise that both words existed, let alone that they meant different things
02:58 < dooglus> (and neither of them seem to be applicable to light, based on what wikipedia is telling me)
02:59 < dooglus> both are "the effect of gases or liquids being incorporated into a material of a different state and adhering to the surface of another molecule"
03:00 < dooglus> hmm.  I give up.
03:00 < dooglus> goodnight :)
03:00 < dooglus> zzz
03:00 < pabs3> nite :)
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03:41 < teak> can you draw and then fill what you ahve drawn?
03:41 < teak> I am getting:
03:42 < teak> value_desc_set: St9exception
03:44 < pabs3> yep. create your draw outline, then create a region layer, then select both and right click on the vertices in the params tab and choose link
03:52 < teak> gonnatry now, thanks
03:53  * pabs3 glad to see that gtk is being ported to native macos gui (instead of requiring X11)
03:55 < teak> what is the params tab?
03:56 < teak> ok, tool tip solved that
03:56 < teak> now for vertices.
03:59 < teak> Ok, great, and then should I encapsulate the two or hode one or what?
04:00 < teak> hide one even
04:01 < pabs3> then you can unlink them and delete one if you don't want the outline
04:01 < teak> i see encapsulating them works, but is that a "best practice" type of thing?
04:01 < teak> ah, ok
04:02 < pabs3> encapsulating stuff is mainly to organise layers into objects for artist sanity (as described in the initial tutorial)
04:02 < pabs3> the tutorials on the wiki are pretty good in fact
04:03 < teak> i have started working on some of them...
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04:04 < pabs3> coolies
04:04 < pabs3> anyone got access to a mac machine and wanna try this: http://developer.imendio.com/projects/gtk-macosx/build-instructions
04:07 < teak> i need to turn in
04:07 < teak> catch you all later...
04:08 < teak> thanks again
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05:30 < pabs3> hey madsen :)
05:32 < pabs3> madsen: did you see this
05:32 < pabs3> ?
05:32 < pabs3> http://developer.imendio.com/projects/gtk-macosx/build-instructions
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05:44 < pxegeek> (guess not!)
05:44 < pabs3> :)
05:52 < pxegeek> 'night
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06:49 < pabs3> dooglus: should 1671884 be closed since you applied the patch?
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11:23 < dooglus> pabs3: yes.
11:23 < dooglus> pabs3: I just did so.
11:23 < pabs3> cool
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11:29 < Bombe> Hooray for closing bugs! \o/
11:37 < dooglus> the remaining open bugs fit on a single screen now, for the first time I can remember
11:37 < dooglus> (mostly because pabs just closed all the OS/X bugs and replaced them with a single 'need OS/X build' bug)
11:49 < pabs3> we're getting pretty close to having closed all the bugs up until dooglus appeared
11:54 < igli> lol
11:54 < igli> morning all :)
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12:57 < dooglus> hi igli
12:57 < igli> hey dooglus
12:57  * igli is lazy
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15:02 < zloc> I think I may have run into a bug last night - I will test further and try to document. Basically, I think when applying a zoom layer, going larger than 1 caused the polygon to be "clipped" by its own "box"
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15:10 < dooglus> zloc: do you have an example .sif file?
15:11 < dooglus> zloc: also, are you using a recent build of synfig?  this sounds like a bug I fixed a few weeks ago
15:14 < zloc> I think it is from a build I did a few days ago. I can send the sif file today when I get home dooglus 
15:16 < dooglus> please do
15:16 < zloc> no problem - will do
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18:48 < teak> dooglus, I can send that sif with the clipping issue now if you like.
18:50 < dooglus> cool
18:50 < dooglus> dooglus@gmail.com
18:56 < teak> sent
18:57 < teak> dooglus, polyclip.sif
19:02 < teak> doesit have the problem on your end?
19:15 < dooglus> I'll try it a little later.
19:15 < dooglus> I need to go out for a while.
19:17 < dooglus> which frame am I looking at?  what am I expecting to see?  and is it only when rendered?  or in studio, too?
19:18 < teak> when I do preview, the blue "points" at each side get clipped.
19:19 < teak> and in studio as well when you go to the second key frame
19:21 < dooglus> I see it too
19:21 < teak> ok
19:35 < dooglus> here's a simpler example of the same: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/synfig/clip.sif
19:35 < dooglus> it's a single frame, no waypoints, etc
19:35 < dooglus> pared down as much as I could
19:36 < dooglus> thanks for mentioning it - I'll see if I can fix it
19:37 < teak> k
19:37 < teak> gotta do a school run - back later.
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22:10 < dooglus> teak's bug is fixed in r377: "Zoom layers change the size of their content's bounding box.  Fixed the get_full_bounding_rect() function to reflect this."
22:37 < igli> yay dooglus!
22:38 < igli> gg
--- Log closed Sat Mar 24 00:00:02 2007