--- Log opened Mon Mar 26 00:00:02 2007
00:00 < teak> zotzbro
00:00 < teak> http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=zotzbro&search=Search
00:00 < teak> it will show up there when it goes live i guess
00:00 < dooglus> yup
00:00 < dooglus> can you put 'synfig' as a tag?
00:00 < dooglus> makes it easier to find synfig stuff then
00:00 < teak> i will if i forgot
00:01 < teak> the other ufo one is that way i thinkl
00:01 < teak> i think
00:01 < dooglus> it's not
00:01 < dooglus> just: bahamas   animation   copyleft   BY-SA  zotz 
00:01 < teak> let me do that now then
00:01 < dooglus> you know that business model is the underpants gnomes business model, right?
00:01 < dooglus> not the slashdot business model
00:02 < teak> check now
00:02 < dooglus> that's better.
00:03 < dooglus> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underpants_Gnomes <-- where the meme started
00:04 < teak> never watch southpark
00:05 < teak> that was 98?
00:05 < dooglus> it's hit and miss, but that one was a classic
00:05 < dooglus> it was a while ago, yes
00:05 < teak> i can't remember when i first saw it on /.
00:07 < teak> i know why i thought it was tagged synfig already...
00:07 < teak> http://youtube.com/results?search_query=synfig
00:07 < teak> it showed up there before the tag
00:07 < dooglus> it's in the description, yes
00:07 < dooglus> I think searching on youtube has got a little better recently
00:07 < teak> I would say because of this:  My first synfig animation
00:07 < dooglus> something to do with google's influence maybe?
00:08 < teak> who knows
00:08 < dooglus> don't let me keep you from your exercise :)
00:08 < teak> i could never get google video to see my ogg theora videos on ourmedia.org
00:08 < dooglus> I couldn't get firefox to see anything at all of your stuff on ourmedia.org
00:09 < dooglus> oh, other than your feet on a diving board I think?
00:09 < dooglus> every other page came up completely blank - even 'view source' showed nothing
00:09 < teak> those are stills in that section
00:09 < dooglus> I saw white pages of nothingness
00:09 < teak> there are links to the file though
00:10 < teak> http://www.ourmedia.org/node/40737
00:10 < teak> go there and click on Link to full size image at the top
00:11 < teak> or go here: http://www.ourmedia.org/node/63600
00:11 < teak> and click on: This media file's URL: Link
00:12 < teak> those guys have had issues over the past year or more.
00:12 < teak> back after the road outing...
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00:38 < dooglus> pxegeek: I've got smooth-move to do something useful now too
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01:46 < pxegeek> googlue: Oh yes?
01:46 < pxegeek> must watch what I'm typing
01:47  * pxegeek tries again
01:47 < pxegeek> dooglus: Oh yes?
01:47 < dooglus> oh yes
01:47 < dooglus> I put a page on the wiki about it
01:47 < dooglus> http://wiki.synfig.com/Smooth_Move_Tool
01:48 < dooglus> I made a few other tool pages too - rotate, scale, normal
01:48 < dooglus> I'm not very good at writing docs, but I figure at least it's a start.  It's probably easier for someone with writing skills to tidy up what I've written rather than starting from scratch
01:50 < pxegeek> Yes - it helps if someone's figured out how to make it do something - for a start!
01:50 < dooglus> actually, I found how to use it by googling...
01:50 < dooglus> it turned up http://www.deepdarc.com/2005/11/01/synfig-developer-preview/
01:51  * pxegeek reads wiki
01:51 < dooglus> The rotate tool affects selected ducks. So, if you click on a region, and then select all of the ducks it contains (Ctrl-A should do the trick), you will be able to rotate it with ease. Same goes for the translate and smooth-move tools.
01:51 < dooglus> ^-- that's from deepdarc.com
01:51 < pxegeek> Hmmm....  going to have to play with that to get my head around it, but I get what you're saying
01:52 < pxegeek> but not rectangles ;)
01:52 < dooglus> there's something in the wish list page about making the smooth move tool work better
01:52 < dooglus> I think it will work on rectangles too
01:52 < dooglus> their corners are 'position' ducks
01:52 < dooglus> so it'll work on them
01:52 < pxegeek> ?
01:52 < pxegeek>   Me goes to play with it - just about to take a stab at the rotate tool icon anyway
01:53 < pxegeek> Hah - well it kindof works.  
01:54 < pxegeek> The two corner ducks move around the circumference of a circle, but they still form a rectangle
01:55 < pxegeek> I feel a "convert rectangle to poygon" wishlist request coming on.
01:56 < dooglus> 'to outline' would be better?
01:57 < dooglus> outlines can do everything polygons can, and more
01:57 < dooglus> anyway...  I'm off to bed.
01:57 < dooglus> enjoy
01:57 < dooglus> have a go at knocking the wiki into shape if you get bored :)
01:58 < dooglus> night.
01:58 < dooglus> zzz.
01:58 < pxegeek> D'oh synfigstudio just crashed again
01:58 < pxegeek> 'night
01:58 < dooglus> if it's repeatable, pls. report a bug in the sf.net tracker, along with a .sif attachment if necessary.
01:58 < dooglus> I'll take a look tomorrow.
01:58 < pxegeek> I think my environment seems less stable than others.
01:59 < pxegeek> I have a W2K PC that handles the same SIF files OK (crashes on different ones, mind you)
01:59 < pxegeek> Get some rest!
02:04 < dooglus> ok
02:04 < dooglus> I updated the smooth move wiki page a little
02:04 < dooglus> (copying text from the rotate and scale tool pages)
02:04 < dooglus> and fixed the typo draw -> drag
02:04 < dooglus> so hopefully it makes a little more sense now.
02:04 < dooglus> zzz (for real this time!)
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02:43 < teak> man youtube is slow in making new videos live today.
03:01 < ryanpg> argh... now I've got the "no icons" thing going on
03:02 < ryanpg> and I compiled it with optimization=1
03:03 < teak> there is an export to deal with that iirc
03:05 < teak> export SYNFIG_ENABLE_POLYGON=1
03:05 < teak> export SYNFIG_ENABLE_DRAW=1
03:05 < teak> export SYNFIG_ENABLE_SKETCH=1
03:05 < teak> export SYNFIG_ENABLE_WIDTH=1
03:05 < teak> export SYNFIG_ROOT=/usr
03:05 < teak> that is what i have in my .xprofile
03:05 < ryanpg> cool, I'll give that a shot
03:05 < teak> i think the last one does the trick
03:06 < ryanpg> thanks, fixes it
03:07 < teak> no probs, i just learned it recently
03:10 < ryanpg> I've been running linux a long time, but I can't remember what .xprofile does, set variables when X starts?
03:11 < ryanpg> err... or execute commands I mean
03:12 < ryanpg> I'll try sticking the above in ~/.bashrc
03:17 < teak> if you do it may only work if you run from the terminal
03:17 < ryanpg> ahh... good point
03:18 < teak> i think it is like the bashrc for x, yes, but i was not sure either, but it does work for edgy eft
03:19 < teak> i am shutting this box down now but will show up as zotz in a bit.
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03:24 < ryanpg> segfault when rendering :(
03:27 < ryanpg> renders to png ok
03:50 < zotz> from the terminal?
03:51 < ryanpg> didn't try from the CL
03:53 < ryanpg> yeah, works to ffmpeg on CL
03:54 < ryanpg> -t libav segfaulted from the CL
03:58 < ryanpg> gotta restart X
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04:00 < pxegeek> Another one bites the dust - http://pxe.geek.googlepages.com/scale
04:02 < pxegeek> 6 more to go on the main tool dialog box
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04:12 < ryanpg> ok, well I'm having some more noobish trouble... I imported a png but I can't move it in the frame with the normal tool
04:12 < ryanpg> I can resize it, but not move it
04:26 < zotz> can you move it by resizing the different corners?
04:26 < ryanpg> yeah
04:27 < ryanpg> but that messes up the proportion/ratio
04:27 < zotz> i think that is what i ended up doing earlier today...
04:28 < ryanpg> encapsulate adds the middle duck I want
04:28 < ryanpg> I'm off to bed, g'night all
04:29 < zotz> ihad two ideas today re synfig today... 1. can we "collect up" all parts needed for a sif into a .tgz from withing synfig? 2. can we drop in replacements by name?
04:29 < zotz> good night ryanpg 
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04:58 < zotz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biOFnAlXrV8 - finally
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05:47 < pabs3> hmmm, I think we need to rethink making the lack of mac binaries block the release
05:48 < pabs3> dooglus: animated png?? you mean mng?
05:55 -!- pabs3 changed the topic of #synfig to: http://www.synfig.com | MSGPAD: ryanpg: use SVN versions instead of the ubuntu packages | news: http://www.synfig.com/2007/03/07/synfig-monthly-news/
05:56 < pabs3> hmm, I wonder if that is the same ryanpq behind symphonyos.com, that is not distributing source with their product based on linux
05:57 < pabs3> nice work on the icons pxegeek :)
07:06  * pxegeek nods
07:06 < pxegeek> Thanks!
07:07 < pxegeek> We're getting there.  Had a little time this afternoon.
07:07  * pabs3 can't wait to commit them :)
07:07 < pxegeek> I'm on vacation this wekk, but my parents are in town, so I don't know how much free time I'll have.
07:08 < pxegeek> Rotate and mirror next.  Saving the fun ones to last
07:08  * pxegeek says time for bed here
07:08 < pxegeek> 'night all
07:08 < pabs3> nite pxegeek :)
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09:39 < madsen> Hiya!
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09:57 < madsen> Total size of the app bundle so far - 78 mb. (!)
09:58 < madsen> ... and I'm not even sure all the libs are packed yet.
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10:26 < pabs3> madsen: eep
10:28 < madsen> pabs3: Indeed... Bundling all those libs has its costs. :-/
10:28 < pabs3> madsen: how big compressed? old versions are on http://www.bridgetone.com/voria/files/ 
10:28 < madsen> pabs3: Ok, I'll take a look. And try to bz2 the bundle.
10:29 < pabs3> might be able to leave out the libs that come with OSX
10:29 < pabs3> like jpeg/png/etc
10:32 < madsen> pabs3: Yeah, but I'm afraid I used other versions of them. :-/
10:33 < madsen> pabs3: Finally found a way to get a list of libs included in a clean OS X install.
10:33 < pabs3> ooh, atrus made a new svn build :D
10:33 < madsen> Huh? For OS X?
10:39 < pabs3> win32
10:40 < madsen> Oh
10:40 < madsen> I can see, there are some libs that I won't have to include. Maybe that'll reduce the bundle size a bit...
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10:47 < pabs3> hi Atrus[work] :)
10:47 < pabs3> madsen: good to hear :)
10:47 < Atrus[work]> hi hi ;-)
10:47 < Atrus[work]> damn x-chat... ;-)
10:48 < pabs3> Atrus[work]: where can we get the patches for that debug menu item thing and the other win32 fixes?
10:48 < Atrus[work]> debug menu is not a patches, is a bash/python script, which just included into rpm
10:49 < Atrus[work]> patches for win32 will sent as soon as it will completed.
10:49 < pabs3> ahh, ok
10:49 < pabs3> cool
10:52  * Atrus[work] maked some coffe.
10:52 < Atrus[work]> Hm... another download... ;-)
10:52 < pabs3> added your rpm repo to the download page
10:53  * madsen tries to automate the OS X packaging with a Ruby script instead of endless hours of manual work.
10:54 < Atrus[work]> And the another repo linak with unofficial Fedora rpms, it it fresh? I don't see svn revision at them.
10:54 < Atrus[work]> s/linak/linux/
10:55 < pabs3> it is released versions
10:55 < Atrus[work]> I see. Looks like new repo will actual. :)
10:55 < pabs3> perhaps we should remove it. are yours svn versions then?
10:55 < Atrus[work]> Yes. I make this rpms for myself and now just share it.
10:56 < pabs3> ok, I'll remove the other one then. which svn version are your rpms up to?
10:57 < Atrus[work]> 375
10:58 < pabs3> cool
11:06 < Atrus[work]> I hope, I can make gathering crash info for windows version. Mingw has its own jit debuger, which can be linked into exe file.
11:07 < Atrus[work]> Unfortunally its not a core file, its a window with plain text...
11:15 < pabs3> hmm, interesting
11:37 < dooglus> pabs3: I don't think I mean mng, but I'm not sure.  http://wiki.mozilla.org/APNG_Specification
11:38 < pabs3> oh, didn't know about that
11:39 < pabs3> I expect libpng will support it when/if it becomes official
11:39 < Atrus[work]> afair, it used its own libmng.
11:39 < dooglus> ~/.xprofile is only used in ubuntu, as far as I know
11:40 < dooglus> it's sourced when GNOME starts up, so environment variables set in there are available to your panel's icons, menu entries, shells, etc.
11:42 < pabs3> reorganised the download page a bit
11:48 < dooglus> I just had a go at getting msys working on windows again, but absoluitely no luck
11:48 < dooglus> 1st time I booted, the mouse wouldn't work, so I removed the mouse drivers and rebooted
11:48 < dooglus> 2nd time I booted, I got to the login screen and it froze
11:48 < dooglus> 3rd time I booted, the taskbar wouldn't respond to anything
11:49 < dooglus> 4th time I booted, I booted back to debian.  it worked.  :)
11:49 < dooglus> f**k windows.  f**k it up it's stupid ass.
11:49 < pabs3> :)
11:50 < Atrus[work]> wow... ;-) but many peoples living with windows many years... ;-)))
11:50 < Atrus[work]> p.s. I think I need speedup writing mingw solution... ;-)
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11:59 < dooglus> I didn't even get as far as trying to install mingw again.  Just trying to get to the start menu was too hard, and for 3 different reasons on 3 different boots.
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12:17 < dooglus> Atrus[work]: I have an old Windows machine here that I can try your mingw instructions on.
12:18 < Atrus[work]> ok, I post it to wiki, "when it will completed". (C) :)
12:18 < dooglus> I'm not looking for anything very proper - just basic instructions (what to download, where to install it) is all I need :)
12:19 < Atrus[work]> I understand, but it at my home, not at work...
12:19 < dooglus> sure
12:19 < dooglus> I liked what the Gaim people did: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/win32/build.php
12:20 < dooglus> they offer a script which sets up the whole build environment automatically
12:21 < pabs3> wow, nice
12:22 < Atrus[work]> yep, I have some script set. :)
12:22 < dooglus> it works too.  I used it to build the gaim installers on http://dooglus.rincevent.net/gaim/
12:23 < dooglus> part of the problem is that before you can run scripts, you need to install a shell.  the gaim folk get around this by using cygwin's bash to run the script, even though they use mingw for the actual build.
12:24 < dooglus> cygwin is a lot nicer to install I think, with a built in package downloader, mirror list, etc.
12:24 < Atrus[work]> mingw has its own shell.
12:25 < dooglus> yes, but how do you install that shell?  which version?  where do you install it to, etc.
12:25 < dooglus> since the script will be installing ming, using ming to run the shell is - um - awkward
12:26 < Atrus[work]> to install mingw shell - I start the msys installer. ;-)
12:26 < dooglus> oh, I didn't find an msys installer.
12:26 < dooglus> I found a bunch of .tar.gz and .exe files on sf.net for download.
12:26 < dooglus> maybe that's where I went wrong.
12:26 < dooglus> I was downloading the .exe and .tar.gz files manually
12:27 < dooglus> if there's a package manager, then that would make it easier.
12:27 < Atrus[work]> also you will need msysDTK, new bash and some else. Better wait for tomorrow. :)
12:27 < dooglus> I'm quite willing to wait :)
12:27 < dooglus> especially now that you've uploaded new builds of synfig anyway.
12:28 < Atrus[work]> Yes, mingw has a package manager, but I dont like it, so I just use winrar to uncompress archives into msys directory. :)
12:28 < dooglus> I tried winrar, but it needs paying for after some time
12:28 < dooglus> 7z seems to work just as well, and is free
12:28 < Atrus[work]> Yes, I think 7z is a good replacement.
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12:56 < pabs3> madsen: have you (or anyone else) got a non-i386 linux machine you can test #1497893 on? (I'm hoping darco fixed it in SVN 227)
13:11  * pabs3 updated the download page lots
13:14 < madsen> pabs3: Sorry, no. I'm on an intel mac. The closest thing I get to a non-x86 machine is my Casio GFX 9800 (or something) calculator.
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13:14 < pabs3> ah, bummer
13:16 < madsen> Gotta go got a while. Bbl! (Hopefully with a working bundle script.)
13:16 < pabs3> :D
13:51 < dooglus> is there a good reason why 'make install' in synfig-core rebuilds things every time, even if nothing has changed?
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13:53 < pabs3> bloody netsplits
13:55 < dooglus> I saw 7 people leave when the split happened
13:55 < dooglus> but only 2 came back when it was over?
13:56 < pabs3> still going, I switched from the server I was on to this one
13:56 < dooglus> ok
13:57 < dooglus> seems you confused something by doing that
13:57 < dooglus> I saw: "13:53 -!- Netsplit over, joins: pabs3"
13:57 < pabs3> hmm
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14:06 < pabs3> thar we go
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15:22 < zotz> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biOFnAlXrV8 - shows up on a synfig search finally.
15:23 < dooglus> linux is 'greener' than windows: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/03/26/1025218
15:23 < dooglus> zotz: nice.  I like the new image, and the music
15:24 < dooglus> zotz: were the start and end captions done with synfig too?
15:24 < zotz> i think i may do a series of these "shorts"
15:24 < zotz> dooglus, no, with the gimp
15:24 < dooglus> zotz: did you discover the 'time loop' layer?
15:25 < zotz> I think i saw it in browsing, but never messed with it yet...
15:25 < dooglus> you can use it to make things happen over and over - like making the legs move, or a light blink on the ufo
15:25 < zotz> right
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15:26 < zotz> i had what i think may be a cool idea yesterday... the ability to "drop in" a replacement into a sif by name...
15:26 < dooglus> I saw you mention that
15:26 < dooglus> but didn't understand
15:26 < zotz> let's say I call my dog, potcake... I just get someone who can actually draw to make a better dog and save it on its own as a sif named potcake1
15:27 < dooglus> ok
15:27 < zotz> then I highlight potcake in my sif, sya replace with...
15:27 < zotz> and load in potcake1
15:27 < dooglus> what about the animations for that layer?
15:27 < zotz> on a related note, does synfig currently have a "library" concept?
15:28 < dooglus> I believe it has the concept of linking from one .sif file to another
15:28 < dooglus> but I've not looked into it
15:28 < zotz> I have not thought through all the implications
15:28 < dooglus> the 'business card' example sif uses the 'logo' example sif
15:28 < dooglus> (I think)
15:31 < zotz> I was wondering if it might make sense to develop a library of copyleft "objects" that people could use in making their animations...
15:33 < dooglus> I guess it would
15:33 < dooglus> I've find it useful
15:33 < dooglus> *I'd
15:34 < zotz> already corrected in my mind... ~;-)
15:34 < zotz> with an alternate of I've found it useful... ~;-)
15:54 < dooglus> I never heard of a potcake before
15:55 < dooglus> the only thing it reminds me of is hashcake, but that's an entirely different thing
16:04 < zotz> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=potcake&btnG=Google+Search
16:04 < zotz> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=potcake+bahamas&btnG=Search
16:04 < zotz> gotta run
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16:36 < dooglus> hmmm.
16:36 < dooglus> I'm thinking about 'improving' the time-loop layer to allow time to be sped up and slowed down
16:36 < dooglus> but this would break existing .sif files
16:36 < dooglus> what have we done in the past re. incompatible changes?
16:40 < zloc> just signed up for a wiki account
16:40 < zloc> (zotz, zloc, teak here - zotz on the wiki)
16:40 < zloc> Donna try documenting some ideas
16:41 < zloc> Gonna try ecen
16:41 < zloc> I am wondering if a BlueSky area makes sense... a place to hash out ideas before putting them does on the real wish list...
16:41 < zloc> thoughts?
16:44 < zloc> do we need such a blue sky page, or is a rating of 1 sufficient?
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16:55 < zloc> just added this change on the wiki wish list:
16:55 < zloc> AVI Backgrounds - Is there any way I can add an avi as a background so I could add facial expressions to a stop-motion animated figure. [zotz here, I was thinking DV background or extra timeline. I would like to mix animations with live footage. rating (1)]
16:55 < zloc> now another thought...
16:55 < zloc> a "collect for distribution" menu item...
16:56 < zloc> this would collect all files neede for a sif file into one .tgz for sending to someone else or to allow publishing the animation in "source form"...
16:56 < zloc> does this exist now?
16:59 < zloc> don't see it
17:06 < dooglus> I don't think it does
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17:06 < dooglus> and I think the wishlist page is fine for just putting random ideas on
17:07 < dooglus> although, I don't know why we have 'wish list' in the wiki and 'feature request' in the tracker - aren't they much the same?
17:08 < pabs3> wiki page happened before people saw the tracker really
17:09 < dooglus> ok
17:10 < dooglus> did you see my question about incompatible changes (while you were gone :) )
17:12 < zloc> near improving time-loop?
17:13 < zloc> so, I will need to put the stuff in the tracker as well.
17:13 < zloc> gotta remember that...
17:13 < zloc> just added some more ideas...
17:14 < pabs3> not yet
17:14 < zloc> since I am into the whole "free" thing, I would like to be able to publish my "source" for my animations easily for others to be able to mess with.
17:15 < dooglus> zloc: there's a gallery on the wiki
17:15 < dooglus> you need to host the .sif file yourself, but you can link it there
17:15 < zloc> right
17:15 < zloc> I meant with the collect for publication wish list item
17:16 < dooglus> ok, I see
17:16 < dooglus> whether you're publishing the source or not, it is still useful to be able to make a self-contained copy of an animation, including all its dependencies
17:16 < zloc> I would now manually need to put the sif, any images, the sound file, etc in one tgz and host that.. right?
17:16 < dooglus> right
17:16 < zloc> right
17:17 < dooglus> the sif*s*, by the way - it's possible you're using more than one per animation
17:17 < dooglus> sif files can refer to each other
17:17 < zloc> correct
17:17 < zloc> i knew that from something mentioned earlier. just talking short hand there...
17:17 < dooglus> ok
17:17 < pabs3> I'm assuming this would be a feature of the GUI?
17:18 < zloc> this is gonna be fun... (I am smiling now...)
17:18 < dooglus> I guess so
17:18 < zloc> could be a menu item
17:18 < dooglus> a 'save with deps' menu entry?
17:18 < zloc> save with deps, collect for publication, whatever wording seems best...
17:18 < dooglus> or just 'export'
17:19 < zloc> not really export..
17:19 < dooglus> although, maybe 'export' suggests it's no longer 'sif' format.
17:19 < dooglus> right
17:19 < zloc> well, i first think render when i hear export at elast..
17:19 < zloc> at least
17:19 < dooglus> do we have an way to play  an animation backwards?
17:20 < zloc> have you ever played with kdenlive?
17:21 < dooglus> no
17:21 < dooglus> I've never played with any animation stuff before
17:21 < pabs3> dooglus: to answer yr question before, I don't think that issue has come up, just been fixing bugs so far
17:22 < zloc> http://kdenlive.sourceforge.net/cvs-screenshots/kdenlive-16092006.png
17:22 < pabs3> def something to worry about though
17:22 < zloc> kdenlive is not animation, it is an NLE.
17:22 < zloc> but look at that image
17:23 < pabs3> dooglus: in the sif file each layer has version numbers though
17:24 < pabs3> hmm, we need a gstreamer output (& input) 
17:24 < dooglus> pabs3: interesting.  I wonder if it does anything with them
17:24 < dooglus> zloc: I see it
17:24 < zloc> it would be neat to have a video on one track and a synfig animation on the other with chroma key action going on...
17:25 < zloc> I don't know how to even think about that properly yet though.
17:25 < dooglus> it would be useful to be able to have a .avi layer in synfig
17:26 < pabs3> the importer layer should theoretically be able to do that, dunno if it can tho
17:27 < zloc> i will try when i get home
17:27 < dooglus> somebody was asking earlier about resizing image layers without losing the aspect ratio?
17:28 < dooglus> oh, it was ryanpg
17:28 < dooglus> he wanted to move it without resizing it
17:29 < pabs3> gah, the importer layer is annoying with filenames
17:29 < dooglus> to do that, select both corners at the same time and move them
17:29 < zloc> what formats can the sound file be in?
17:29 < dooglus> they'll move together, keeping the same size
17:29  * pabs3 has no idea if the sound file thing even works
17:29 < dooglus> does sound support even work?  I've never tried ti
17:29 < dooglus> it
17:30 < zloc> synfig(12972): warning: Launching Audio Options
17:30 < zloc> synfig(12972): warning: Could not load the file: /home/zloc/xcool.wav
17:30 < zloc> tried mp3 and wav so far...
17:30 < pabs3> at least the libav target will *NOT* output sound (all the code is commented out)
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17:42 < dooglus> the code for the 'time loop' layer is really tiny
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22:38 < pxegeek> dooglus: can you implement the time loop change and include a 'backward compatibility mode' i.e assume the old method unless you have a flag set?
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22:59 < dooglus> pxegeek: I discovered that the existing time loop can already do everything I was suggesting
22:59 < dooglus> you just have to be a bit tricky with it
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23:24  * pxegeek just tried a walk cycle - one step then crash....
23:24 < dooglus> crash?
23:24 < pxegeek> dooglus: - let me know when you get Atrus's recipe for compiling for windows working
23:24 < dooglus> like the program died?
23:24 < dooglus> I will
23:25 < pxegeek> Seems like if I try to push it to hard, synfig falls over
23:25 < dooglus> synfig's estimates for how long it's going to take to render are funny
23:25 < dooglus> 2 minutes
23:25 < dooglus> no, 24 hours
23:25 < dooglus> no, 1 minute
23:25 < dooglus> etc...
23:26 < pxegeek> :)  sound's like Microsoft
23:26 < pxegeek> Ugh - ignore that apostrophe
23:26 < dooglus> I don't know what's wrong with the net today
23:27 < dooglus> it did that to me earlier as well
23:27 < pxegeek> You seeing it too?
23:27 < dooglus> put an apo'strophe in where it shouldn't have been
23:27 < pxegeek> Everything very sluggish
23:27 < pxegeek> Ah
23:27 < dooglus> I've not been using it much for anything bandwidth intensive today
23:28 < dooglus> hmm
23:28 < dooglus> I just tried uploading and got 122.6KB/s
23:28 < dooglus> that's about average
23:28 < dooglus> http://dooglus.rincevent.net/synfig/recursive.png
23:28  * pxegeek fires up SFS again - countdown to crash in 10 mins....
23:29 < pxegeek> Cute!
23:29 < dooglus> I guess the next thing to do with that is to zoom in
23:29 < pxegeek> Self-referential SIF files?
23:29 < dooglus> no, just 12 levels of copy/paste :)
23:29 < pxegeek> Cheat!
23:30 < dooglus> you really expect synfig not to crash if I include a .sif into itself?
23:30 < pxegeek> Nope, but I was prepared to be impressed that someone would try it
23:31 < pxegeek> You have them all perfectly aligned
23:33 < pxegeek> OK - here's one that seems repeatable.  
23:33 < pxegeek> The transform-scale.sif I posted yesterday
23:34 < dooglus> they're perfectly aligned because they're copies of each other...
23:34 < pxegeek> Open it, click the plus sign 4 time to zoom it - crashes at 244.1%
23:35 < dooglus> posted where?
23:35 < pxegeek> I get a Gtk-CRITICAL ** gtk_label_set_label: assertion 'str != NULL' failed
23:35 < pxegeek> um...
23:36 < pxegeek> http://pxe.geek.googlepages.com/scale
23:37 < pxegeek> Bet it works just fine in Linux :)
23:37 < pxegeek> Probably fine on another Win PC install as well
23:37  * pxegeek rivals Marvin for paranoia
23:38 < dooglus> they called him the paranoid android,
23:38 < dooglus> but was he?
23:38 < dooglus> I don't think he thought anyone was out to get him
23:38 < dooglus> he was just depressed, right?
23:38 < pxegeek> And me with this terrible pain in all the diodes down my right arm
23:39 < pxegeek> The whole universe was out to get him
23:45 < dooglus> life?
23:45 < dooglus> don't talk to me about life.
23:49 < teak> he just didn't understand 42...
23:52 < dooglus> where are you seeing the 244.1%?
23:53 < pxegeek> in the navigator.  If I hit zoom 3 times, I get 195.3%
23:53 < dooglus> oh, I got a crash eventually
23:53 < dooglus> oh, the navigator, right.  I'd forgotten about that.
23:53 < pxegeek> 4 time attempts to go to 244.1% but fails. 
23:53 < dooglus> I get a crash on the 5th zoom
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23:53 < pxegeek> Over 200%?
23:53 < pxegeek> Linux or Windows?
23:54 < dooglus> Linux
23:54 < dooglus> are you using the default size for the canvas window?
23:54 < pxegeek> Very interesting.  I'm feeling less paranoid now
23:54 < dooglus> or stretching it open a bit?
23:55 < dooglus> I just left it at its default size, and managed to zoom in past 1600% (the most the navigator can display)
23:55 < pxegeek> I'm working on the icons, starting w/ a 200x200 pixel canvas
23:55 < pxegeek> then stretching the default canvas window and then zooming
23:56 < dooglus> try not stretching it
23:56 < dooglus> can you zoom all the way in then?
23:56 < dooglus> 'cos I can
23:56 < pxegeek> Hang on - let me save what I'm doing
23:56 < dooglus> good idea :)
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23:58 < pxegeek> Yes, I can zoom with the default canvas location without any problem
23:58 < pxegeek> but if I zoom to 244.1% then try stretching my canvas -> crashe
23:58 < pxegeek> or crash even
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