--- Log opened Sat Mar 31 00:00:02 2007
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02:00 < dooglus> I found a bug in the synfig rendering code, but it's not the one that was causing the crash I was seeing :(
02:04 < pxegeek> Any bug riddance is a good bug riddance!
02:05 < pxegeek> Don't forget to get some sleep! 
02:07 < dooglus> I found out how to stop it using multiple threads when rendering
02:07 < dooglus> and that stops the crash
02:07 < dooglus> but that's cheating ...
02:07 < dooglus> (and so's sleeping)
02:08 < pxegeek> Yay!  At least it confirms your theory on why it's happening
02:09 < pxegeek> Can we turn it off at runtime?  or is it a compile time option?  
02:09 < pxegeek> I'd like to see how much of the instability I see is due to this bug....
02:10 < pxegeek> Anyone up for some artwork?
02:13 < dooglus> I can make it a 'secret' runtime optionm like the 'draw' tool
02:14 < dooglus> the thing is though, with the threads stuff disabled, it renders the whole canvas each time
02:14 < dooglus> even if you're only zoomed in on a little piece of it
02:14 < dooglus> so it gets very slow
02:15 < pxegeek> but more stable, right?  
02:15 < pxegeek> At the moment, I'd vote for stability over speed (although I may change my mind after using it like that for a bit).
02:15 < pxegeek> These crashes are most distracting.
02:17 < pxegeek> Here's something I was working on this afternoon with my daughter
02:17 < pxegeek> http://pxegeek.home.comcast.net/synfig/armadillo.png
02:17 < pxegeek> can you guess what it is?
02:18 < pxegeek> He's got wings bcause he's flying - the inventive mind of a 4 year old
02:20 < pxegeek> Here's another one that's still a work in progress....
02:20 < pxegeek> http://pxegeek.home.comcast.net/synfig/fairy_wip.png
02:20 < dooglus> he's cool :)
02:20 < pxegeek> His name's little Dai.
02:21 < pxegeek> (Dora's cousin Diego taught me how to draw him)
02:22 < pxegeek> I couldn't have done the second one without the draw tool!  
02:22 < dooglus> is he going to be animated?
02:22 < pxegeek> The armadillo or the fairy?
02:33 < dooglus> both :)
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02:36 < Gniarf> so, by the way, who codes on synfig ? dooglus ?
02:37 < dooglus> um...  nobody at the moment :)
02:37 < pxegeek> I was planning on giving the fairy a little movement - gently beating wings, blinks.  In my more ambitious moments she takes to the air and flys from the mushroom
02:37 < dooglus> pabs and I are both beginning to, but the guys who wrote synfig stopped working on it
02:38 < pxegeek> The armadillo was just to keep my daughter quiet.  But it might make for a good walk cycle study.  See if I can figure out these loops you keep talking about
02:38 < dooglus> pxegeek: she?  she looks like a boy
02:39 < pxegeek> Fairies are pretty androgynous, from what I'm told...  No adam's apple on this one ;)
02:39 < pxegeek> Does she need longer hair?  
02:40 < pxegeek> Maybe it will be more obvious when I get a skirt on her
02:42 < pabs3> Gniarf: btw, we have a press page on the wiki, be good to mention the cnet article there
02:43  * pabs3 reading backlog
02:43 < pxegeek> BTW is it possible to save sketch layers?  Is that what the non-functioning save all option is for?  I started off with a sketch but it's not visible in the currently saved file.  
02:46 < pabs3> it is, see the tool options dialog when in sketch mode
02:46 < igli> hey ppl in #synfig what's going on!
02:47 < pabs3> pxegeek: saves it as a text file that you can reload later
02:47 < pabs3> but sketch doesn't really make proper layers
02:48 < pabs3> zloc: as I mentioned on the wiki, I recon openclipart.org would be a good place to distrib an object library from
02:51 < pabs3> nice fairy pxegeek :)
02:59 < pabs3> madsen_: hmm, your eyes.mp4 seems broken
03:42 < pxegeek> pabs - eyes.mp4 is working for me.  Tried it with VLC?  
03:42 < pabs3> yep
03:43  * pabs3 redownloads
03:48 < pabs3> nope, complains about missing cmov header
03:56 < igli> pxegeek: the fairy sounds cool, but i have to admit, does look male :)
04:07 < pabs3> ooh, darco has some nice synfig-created fractals on his art page
04:08 < pabs3> http://www.deepdarc.com/art/
04:56 < pxegeek> Igli - somewhere between the sketchpad, the Wacom tablet, XP & synfig my vertical axis got compressed.  On paper she looks taller thinner and longer legged.
04:57 < igli> lmao ok then :)
04:57 < igli> took you long enuff to think of that one tho ;)
04:57 < Gniarf> xp
04:58 < pxegeek> Family & supper....
04:58 < pxegeek> Kids are in bed now.  
05:00 < igli> heh cool man
05:00  * igli sparks up ;)
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06:35 < pabs3> hmm, can anytone think of a use for this in synfig? http://david.navi.cx/blog/?p=94
06:45 < pxegeek> I don't know enough colour theory to know if I would ever use it.  I got caught out by the "Visually Linear Color Selection" on the Misc tab of the File->setup dialog.  
06:46 < pxegeek> Made me think that the HTML codes that Dooglus was generating weren't coming out right.  They were, but were being remapped for my human eyesight by Synfig. 
06:46 < pabs3> what does "Visually Linear Color Selection" do?
06:47 < pabs3> the gtk-stock tango friday looks to have been pretty successful btw
06:48 < pxegeek> I think the basic idea is that straight RGB doesn't look like it fades evenly through the colours of the spectrum.  
06:49 < pxegeek> From my POV, it gave funky looking decimal values for the html codes I typed into the colour selector, but the actual colours looked like they matched the Tango style colour guide.  How it works?  Like I said, I don't know enough theory
06:50 < pxegeek> I turned it off, and got the values you
06:50 < pxegeek> 'd expect converting from hex to decimal and dividing by 255
06:50 < pabs3> ah, ok
06:51 < pabs3> does this warrant a FAQ entry would you say?
06:52 < pabs3> wow, some nice stuff here: http://www.sgeier.net/fractals/indexe.php
06:52 < pxegeek> I'll add a note to the color picker tab.  Do we have a note in there about checking your gamma when all else fails?
06:53  * pxegeek likes 'rope'
06:53 < pabs3> ahh, not sure
06:53 < pabs3> http://ua.fishki.net/pics9/rob_gonsalves_23.jpg
06:54 < pxegeek> Don't know they're FAQ - maybe infrequently asked questions?  ;)
06:54 < pabs3> :)
06:54 < pxegeek> Ooooh, he has a whole series of those....
06:54 < pabs3> or QWDWTA
06:54 < pxegeek> ?
06:54 < pabs3> questions we don't want to answer :)
06:54 < pabs3> bunch at http://www.adventix.net/blog/2007/03/18/unbelievable-graphic-art-pictures-by-rob-gonzales/
06:54 < pxegeek> WWJA?
06:55 < pxegeek> Them's the ones
06:55  * pabs3 likin http://ua.fishki.net/pics9/rob_gonsalves_31.jpg
06:55 < pabs3> WWJA?
06:57 < pabs3> http://www.frogview.com/show.php?file=1745
06:58 < pxegeek> play on WWJD.  See - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWJD
06:59 < pabs3> :)
07:02 < pxegeek> Do we need a few Escher like designs for synfig?  
07:03 < pabs3> sounds good to me! stick em on the gallery page maybe
07:05  * pabs3 bbiab
07:14 < pxegeek> 'nite all
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16:43 < zipola> I am confused.
16:44 < nox-Hand> zipola: Sorry ;)
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20:47 < dooglus> pxegeek: I think I finally caught the zoom bug :)
20:49 < igli> yay dooglus!
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20:56 < pxegeek> Big yay!
20:56 < pxegeek> Was it wha tyou thought?
20:59 < dooglus> not entirely
21:00 < dooglus> it was to do with how the canvas is split up into 64x64 chunks for rendering
21:00 < dooglus> but it wasn't to do with threading
21:00 < dooglus> the fix is adding one line:  "else return true;"
21:01 < dooglus> I'm glad that's out the way; it was beginning to wind me up :)
21:29 < pxegeek> So follow up question - is this related to inverting, zooming, or independant of anything?
21:44 < dooglus> it only happened with inverted rectangles
21:45 < dooglus> nothing directly to do with zooming
21:46 < dooglus> it also only happened when the compose method wasn't Composite
21:47 < dooglus> (the fix is in a file called 'rectangle.cpp', inside a block "if(invert)"
21:55 < dooglus> so
21:56 < dooglus> if I draw a big complex scene
21:56 < dooglus> and then draw a solid, opaque rectangle over the whole thing,
21:56 < dooglus> you'd expect the rendering to speed up a lot, right?
21:56 < dooglus> 'cos the scene is completely hidden, and no longer needs rendering?
21:56 < dooglus> but it doesn't seem to.
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