--- Log opened Tue Apr 03 00:00:56 2007
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08:17 < pabs3> ooh:
08:17 < pabs3> In GCC 4.3, the C++ header
08:17 < pabs3> dependencies have been cleaned up.  The advantage of this is that
08:17 < pabs3> programs will compile faster.  The downside is that you actually
08:17 < pabs3> need to directly #include everything you use 
08:17 < pabs3> Some background of this can be found at
08:17 < pabs3> http://gcc.gnu.org/PR28080
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09:34  * dooglus is not going to be doing so much synfig bug-hunting in the immediate future
09:34 < dooglus> not having a hard disk makes things so much harder...
09:36 < pabs3> your laptop died??
09:37 < dooglus> no, just the hard disk drive
09:37 < dooglus> everything else seems to be fine
09:37 < dooglus> I can use a live CD to boot it, and a memory stick as storage
09:38 < dooglus> I installed that SMART disk checker a week or so ago
09:38 < dooglus> but it never told me anything
09:38 < pabs3> :(
09:39 < pabs3> and you don't have a desktop?
09:39 < dooglus> if the BIOS doesn't detect the hard drive, is there anything I can do to get data off the drive?
09:39 < dooglus> I don't, no
09:39 < dooglus> I have another laptop, but it's very old
09:40 < pabs3> it doesn't detect it?!
09:41 < dooglus> no
09:41 < pabs3> I suppose you could get the hd out and hook it up to  some other machine, but bios not detecting it sounds bad
09:41 < pabs3> real bad
09:41 < dooglus> I can hear it going through some kind of cycle about twice per second
09:41 < dooglus> stepping the head over the disk and back probably
09:42 < dooglus> it stops that after a minute or so from booting
09:42 < pabs3> hmm
09:42 < dooglus> I'm just glad I was pretty much committing everything as I did it
09:42 < dooglus> I didn't lose too many changes
09:43 < dooglus> my email is all on gmail.com, almost everything is saved elsewhere
09:43 < dooglus> but it's still annoying
09:43 < dooglus> I was in the middle of an amusing bugfix when it happened
09:43 < pabs3> I hope its under warranty 
09:43 < pabs3> amusing?
09:43 < dooglus> (if tangents are merged, and you edit the 2nd tangent, it has no effect; it should, of course)
09:44 < dooglus> so I added code: "when the 2nd tangent changes and they're merged, update the 1st tangent"
09:44 < dooglus> but there was already code saying "when the 1st tangent changes and they're merged, update the 2nd tangent"
09:44 < dooglus> these 2 were triggering each other over and over
09:45 < dooglus> ok, maybe my sense of humour has been damaged.
09:45 < pabs3> heh
09:46 < dooglus> I just tried ./bootstrap and it failed
09:46 < dooglus> I think the build-instructions are missing a dependency
09:50 < dooglus> argh.
09:50 < dooglus> passwords...
09:50 < dooglus> I had them all stored in a gpg file on the hard disk
09:50 < pabs3> shit
09:51 < pabs3> which dependency?
09:51 < dooglus> libltdl3-dev
09:51 < dooglus> it's shown as optional
09:51 < dooglus> but:
09:51 < dooglus> ls: libltdl/*: No such file or directory
09:51 < dooglus> libtoolize: cannot list files in `/usr/share/libtool/libltdl'
09:51 < dooglus> if it's not installed
09:52 < dooglus> (that's from ./bootstrap in synfig-core)
09:55 < pabs3> ok, that needs to be moved to depends
09:55 < dooglus> I'm on it...
09:55 < pabs3> strict depends I mean
09:55 < dooglus> the wiki was able to mail my a new password
09:56 < dooglus> libtool isn't mentioned either?
09:57 < pabs3> neither is autoconf/automake
10:01 < dooglus> even ETL requires those, right?
10:08 < dooglus> hrm.  this live CD's kernel only sees half my CPU
10:13 < dooglus> that gcc change sounds like a good one
10:13 < dooglus> requiring explicit includes isn't a bad thing
10:19 < pabs3> no, only synfig/studio
10:19 < dooglus> I don't think it would ./bootstrap without it
10:21 < dooglus> so I've lost my svn commit access
10:21 < dooglus> I didn't write the password down anywhere
10:21 < pabs3> mail darco I guess
10:21 < dooglus> and what's worse, I've left the repository broken :(
10:21 < pabs3> oh?
10:21 < dooglus> http://dooglus.rincevent.net/synfig/rect.txt needs committing - could you?
10:22 < dooglus> looks like I forgot to check it in
10:22 < pabs3> log message?
10:26 < pabs3> dooglus: ^^
10:27 < dooglus> it's part of r401
10:27 < dooglus> which said:
10:27 < dooglus> Rectangles are 'solid color' when using straight blending if both the amount and the color's alpha are 1.0.
10:28  * dooglus is hunting for his jabber password
10:29 < pabs3> commited
10:29 < pabs3> wow, up to 421 now
10:30 < dooglus> it goes up quite quickly doesn't it
10:30 < dooglus> I'd say most of the recent changes were doing nothing much though
10:31 < dooglus> adding comments, fixing valgrind warnings, fixing typos
10:36 < pabs3> coolies
10:40 < dooglus> I wonder what's a good way to check that I've not broken the build
10:41 < dooglus> I shouldn't have to wait for my hard disk to fail before I find out
10:41 < dooglus> but having uncommited local changes can make it look like it builds to me, when it doesn't build for anyone else
10:42 < dooglus> I guess all it needs is a separate svn working directory
10:42 < dooglus> which regularly does a 'svn up' and build
10:58 < dooglus> hmmm
10:58 < dooglus> another hard dependency?
10:58 < pabs3> ?
10:58 < dooglus> I tried building a minimal synfig - didn't include png
10:58 < dooglus> but the build process tries to create the .png icons using the synfig it just built
10:59 < pabs3> hrm
11:00 < dooglus> I have libpng12-dev installed already.  I wonder why synfig can't make .png output
11:00 < dooglus> checking for png_write_row in -lpng... no
11:00 < dooglus> checking for png_write_row in -lpng12... no *** PNG Output target disabled
11:01 < pabs3> config.log should say something
11:01 < dooglus> it says "/usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lpng"
11:02 < dooglus> hmmm, configuring again now works
11:02 < pabs3> got any of /usr/lib/*png*.so ?
11:02 < pabs3> weird
11:02 < dooglus> installing the required deps for studio brought in libpng
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11:03 < dooglus> The following extra packages will be installed: [...]  libfreetype6-dev libpango1.0-dev libpng12-dev
11:03 < dooglus> but that's too late - synfig has already been build, and can't make .png files
11:04 < dooglus> I'll add a note in the build-instructions.  it's not a real dependency for synfig, but if you're going to go on to build studio, it is
11:04 < pabs3> sounds good
11:06 < dooglus> I'm surprised at how good a build environment this laptop is without a hard disk present
11:06 < dooglus> I thought it would be practically unusable, but it's not that bad
11:07 < pabs3> :)
11:07 < dooglus> not sure how long the flash drive will last though
11:15 < dooglus> what have I broken now?
11:15 < dooglus> $ synfigstudio
11:15 < dooglus> synfigstudio: error while loading shared libraries: libsynfigapp.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
11:18 < dooglus>   /bin/sh ../../libtool --mode=install /usr/bin/install -c 'synfigstudio' '/usr/local/bin/synfigstudio'
11:18 < dooglus> libtool: install: warning: `/home/chris/programs/synfig/svn/synfig-studio/src/synfigapp/libsynfigapp.la' has not been installed in `/usr/local/lib'
11:18 < pabs3> probably that libtool/automake change you made?
11:19 < dooglus> hmmm
11:21 < pabs3> that was on yr hd tho
11:21 < dooglus> yes, but I reapplied the patch here,
11:21 < dooglus> so it could be that
11:21 < dooglus> looking into it now
11:22 < dooglus> thing is, my change only affected Makefiles
11:22 < dooglus> and libtool doesn't seem to be using Makefiles
11:23 < pabs3> hmm
11:59 < dooglus> ha
11:59 < dooglus> you were right
12:02 < dooglus> this is odd - the touchpad works without me having to disable it
12:02 < dooglus> ah - maybe because this live CD isn't using the synaptic driver
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20:34 < StateS> hello all
20:42 < StateS> hey, dooglus I finally found out what was making synfig not work... I had to format my pc yesterday (when you have four columns after you open your start menu... your pc is just asking to be formated) and I installed synfig, I also installed gtk+ v2.10.11 REV a which is used by gaim... and lo and behold... it didn't work, it was because of that gtk package, I tried it on another pc but with...
20:42 < StateS> ...a different gtk distro 2.10.7-1 and it worked like a charm... well as far as starting the program goes anyway :P 
20:42 < StateS> wow... that was a long message...
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22:15 < dooglus> StateS: bear with me - I'm going to start reading your message...  now!
22:16 < dooglus> StateS: oh, I see.  which version of synfig were you using?  the official build?  or a recent build from subversion?
23:25 < StateS> recent subversion build
23:25 < StateS> the latest
23:25 < StateS> 375
23:25 < StateS> actuall... if I used an older subersion version or so it would be the same thing...
23:25 < StateS> sorry for the delay in response
23:31 < StateS> gtg
23:31 < StateS> ttyl if I may
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