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12:39 < Mooi> Hello, anybody alive? I am new to Synfig, am following the tutorial. I add a new keyframe at 5s, and change the position of a circle; when I jump back to the first keyframe, absolutely nothing has changed - circle is same position and size, can someone help?
12:40 < Mooi> Aah, I wasn't in edit mode or something :D
12:40 < dooglus> hi
12:41 < dooglus> that's right - you need to be in edit mode to make animations
12:41 < Mooi> hi dooglus 
12:41 < dooglus> otherwise you're moving things for all time
12:41 < Mooi> I missed out the part :)
12:41 < dooglus> right :)
12:41 < dooglus> you've got it now?
12:43 < Mooi> yes :D this is cool
12:44 < dooglus> it's been quite a long time since a new version was released
12:44 < Mooi> http://wykis.com/circle.mpg
12:44 < dooglus> and the newest release is quite buggy
12:44 < dooglus> it's worth using one of the unofficial versions
12:44 < Mooi> new version = 61.05 ?
12:44 < dooglus> newest, yes, but it's old
12:44 < Mooi> I'm using the default debian sid build
12:45 < Mooi> when you start a bline.. how do you close it up?
12:45 < dooglus> switch to a different tool
12:45 < dooglus> alt-a for example
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12:45 < Mooi> don't you have to click on the start node?
12:45 < dooglus> no
12:46 < dooglus> if you want it looped, right-click any position duck and select 'loop'
12:46 < Mooi> hehe, okay, thanks :)
12:46 < dooglus> list of keyboard shortcuts: http://wiki.synfig.com/Keyboard_Shortcuts
12:46 < Mooi> I'm on the wiki, learning this :)
12:46 < Mooi> very nice software imho
12:46 < dooglus> nice circle movie :)
12:47 < Mooi> hehe
12:47 < Mooi> I'll try to make something more realistic now
12:47 < dooglus> if you do, stick it in the wiki gallery
12:47 < dooglus> it needs more examples, no matter how small
12:47 < dooglus> ( http://wiki.synfig.com/Gallery )
12:47 < Mooi> sure
12:47 < Mooi> is it possible for me to import SVG images?
12:48 < dooglus> no, not yet
12:48 < Mooi> sounds like a todo item for future ;)
12:48 < dooglus> you can import bitmaps
12:48 < dooglus> but they stay as bitmaps, of course
12:48 < Mooi> It would be very beneficial to synfig, because more people will be interested as there is a large variety of SVG media available
12:48 < dooglus> yes
12:49 < Mooi> okay, time to do something nwo :)
12:50 < igli> dooglus: i wouldn't mind helping on SVG, but i really don't know any of the relevant code
12:51 < dooglus> igli: the synfig code, you mean?  or the SVG libs?
12:51 < igli> heh both :D
12:52 < dooglus> it's all available - it's just a case of getting stuck in to it really
12:56 < igli> yeah it's time as well tho. wouldn't mind reading up on SVG; guess i could bug you for help on integration?
12:57 < dooglus> you can try
12:57 < dooglus> I don't know much about synfig either though
12:58 < dooglus> don't suppose you remember what vector 'dot products' represent?
12:59 < Mooi> igli: you can look at Inkscape's source to learn bits for SVG and of course, there is SVG specification
12:59 < dooglus> a.b = |a||b|cos(theta)?
13:02 < igli> man something to do with getting points on a plane iirc
13:02 < dooglus> I'm trying to understand synfig's code, how it handles the deletion of points in a line
13:03 < dooglus> it seems to be trying to make the points shrink away gradually over time, but it's not doing a very good job of it
13:03 < igli> for orthogonal vectors dot product is 0 since cos90=0
13:03 < dooglus> yes
13:03 < igli> eh?
13:03 < dooglus> like if you have an outline of a man at some point in time
13:03 < igli> i'd think you would just delete points?
13:03 < igli> sorry go on
13:03 < dooglus> and at a different point in time you delete all the points which make up one of his arms
13:04 < dooglus> it will kind of shrink the arm back into his body over time
13:04 < igli> sounds hilarious
13:05 < dooglus> here's an example: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/headless.avi
13:05 < dooglus> the line is symmetrical left/right
13:05 < dooglus> but the animation isn't
13:05 < dooglus> that can't be good.
13:07 < Mooi> how do you move an object?
13:08 < dooglus> see it's green position duck?
13:08 < Mooi> nevermind, found the green :D
13:08 < dooglus> that will change the offset to the object
13:08 < Mooi> yup
13:08 < dooglus> or, you can select the layer, then hit control-a to select all ducks, and drag them all
13:08 < dooglus> that will move all the verticies, rather than changing the offset
13:08 < dooglus> the effect is the same, really
13:10 < dooglus> here's a screenshot showing the same problem: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/synfig/1176289645.png
13:10 < dooglus> the head-shrinkage is all wobbly on the left, but smooth on the right
13:11 < dooglus> Mooi: save often if you're using the debian sid package.
13:11 < dooglus> control-s will do it quickly
13:11 < Mooi> okay, wil make sure
13:11 < dooglus> Mooi: there are lots of crashers in that package :)
13:11 < Mooi> :)
13:12 < Mooi> whaah, crashed :D
13:12 < dooglus> the build instructions: http://wiki.synfig.com/Build_instructions work well on sid - 'cos that's what I use
13:12 < dooglus> Mooi: when you restart, it should offer to restore.  click 'yes'
13:12 < igli> dooglus: i don't have anything that'll view avi atm :)
13:13 < dooglus> Mooi: if you build from svn, you shouldn't see many crashes at all.  and if you do, I'll try my best to fix them.
13:13 < Mooi> better download that then
13:13 < dooglus> Mooi: I don't think packages are available - you need to build it yourself, but it's quite easy to do
13:14 < Mooi> Doing right now  :P
13:18 < dooglus> I think the 'dot' product is being used to resolve a vector into its 2 components in some plane
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13:21 < Mooi> /usr/local/include/ffmpeg/avformat.h:66: error: 'INT64_C' was not declared in this scope
13:21 < dooglus> ah, yes, somebody was talking about that yesterday.
13:22 < dooglus> it's because of a new release of ffmpeg
13:22 < Mooi> :(
13:22 < dooglus> my sid machine's hard disk crashed a week ago, so I'm not running an old version of ubuntu from a live cd
13:22 < dooglus> I've been unable to test the patch for this
13:22 < Mooi> s/not// ?;)
13:23 < dooglus> s/not/now
13:23 < dooglus> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1697727&group_id=144022&atid=757418 is the patch he made
13:23 < dooglus> basically you need to #define __STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS everywhere it complains...
13:23 < mememeandme> emmm... not "he"... i'm a girl...
13:23 < Mooi> aargh
13:24 < dooglus> oh, hi :)  and sorry!
13:24 < Mooi> I hate compiling ffmpeg
13:24 < dooglus> no no, there's no need to compile that
13:24 < Mooi> oh
13:24 < dooglus> it's just that to link with ffmpeg from C++ code, you apparently now need to define __STDC_CONSTANT_MACROS
13:24 < dooglus> (and synfig is C++ code)
13:24 < Mooi> synfig, okay :-
13:24 < Mooi> :-)
13:25 < Mooi> `patch -p1 < file.patch`, right?
13:25 < dooglus> yup
13:25 < Mooi> synfigstudio -> ./configure -> checking for synfig ETL sigc++-2.0... configure: error:  ** Unable to set up dependent libraries
13:26 < Mooi> I have sigc++-2.0 development and runtime installed
13:26 < Mooi> whey, synfig is compiling with that patch, nice
13:26 < dooglus> you did a 'make install' for ETL?
13:26 < dooglus> and for 'synfig'?
13:26 < Mooi> I'm unsure what ETL is
13:26 < dooglus> it's a template library that synfig uses
13:27 < Mooi> ok
13:27 < dooglus> it's in svn, alongside synfig and synfigstudio - see http://wiki.synfig.com/Build_instructions
13:27 < Mooi> it is installed already
13:27 < dooglus> the old version is, yes
13:27 < Mooi> ^_^
13:29 < Mooi> and where would I get ETL from, dooglus ?
13:29 < dooglus> it's all in that wiki link
13:30 < Mooi> okay
13:30 < Mooi> aah
13:31 < Mooi> I should be going by now, thanks for help
13:31 < Mooi> afk
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13:37 < dooglus> hi zotz :)
13:37 < zotz> hey there dooglus 
13:38 < dooglus> what's new in the world of alien abduction?
13:38 < zotz> ah, did some live work over the weekend so not much on the animation front
13:39 < dooglus> shame :(
13:39 < zotz> did have a meeting to discuss doing some more videos with group support though and the potcake theme came up...
13:39 < zotz> there is heavy rain here this morning...
13:40 < dooglus> there's nothing much happening here - it's kinda sunny, kinda cloudy, not hot or cold
13:42 < zotz> lost powere in the middle of the night when lightning struck somewhere...
13:42 < dooglus> God's way of telling you to get some sleep maybe?
13:43 < zotz> i was already sleeping - it woke me up, i had to get up to put one of the dogs back out of the house proper into the laundry.
14:14 < zotz> how about you dooglus any new animations or just killing bugs?
14:20 < dooglus> just killing bugs
14:20 < dooglus> they're everywhere I look :)
14:31 < zotz> i hear that
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15:42 < Mooi> synfigstudio: symbol lookup error: synfigstudio: undefined symbol: _ZN6synfig5Color4hex_E
15:42 < Mooi> what can I do to solve this problem?
15:52 < dooglus> that's something I added a few weeks ago
15:53 < dooglus> it sounds like you're linking against the old libsynfig, not the one you just built
15:53 < dooglus> you need to 'make install' in synfig before you 'bootstrap' and 'configure' in synfigstudio
15:53 < dooglus> s/'bootstrap' and //
15:54 < dooglus> to be sure you're using the right one, apt-get remove synfig, etl and synfigstudio
15:54 < dooglus> then it'll have to use the /usr/local/ stuff you've just built
15:55 < Mooi> dooglus: I did remove them..
15:56 < dooglus> that's weird then
15:56 < Mooi> :|
15:57 < Mooi> umm
15:57 < Mooi> there probably were some extra libs too
15:59 < Mooi> works now
15:59 < Mooi> no icons ;-)
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16:00 < [1]mimo> hello
16:00 < dooglus> hi
16:00 < Mooi> hi [1]mimo 
16:00 < dooglus> Mooi: for 'no icons', see the FAQ
16:00 < Mooi> okay
16:00 < dooglus> http://wiki.synfig.com/FAQ
16:01 < Mooi> yup, does it, thanks
16:01 < dooglus> Mooi: now if you see a crash, let me know.  you should see a lot less, anyway.
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16:03 < Mooi> oka
16:05 < Mooi> okay, the inner menu does not show a single enabled thng, for example - the file menu's items are fully disabled
16:06 < dooglus> that's a known bug
16:06 < dooglus> did you open 2 files then close one of them?
16:06 < Mooi> no
16:06 < Mooi> just a fresh
16:06 < dooglus> you've made a new canvas?
16:06 < Mooi> works now, heh
16:06 < Mooi> this is kind of strange to me right now :P
16:06 < Mooi> dooglus: are you one of the developers?
16:07 < dooglus> I'm about as close to 'one of the developers' as we've got
16:07 < Mooi> you're the main developer?
16:07 < dooglus> I think the story is that the 2 people who were writing synfig were trying to sell it
16:07 < dooglus> and when they found that they weren't able to build a business around it, they stopped working on it,
16:08 < dooglus> leaving it open sourced, but developer-less
16:08 < Mooi> oooh
16:08 < Mooi> I see
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16:08 < mimo> hi
16:08 < Mooi> hi mimo 
16:08 < dooglus> I found it in debian unstable's repository, just like you did, and found it to be fun, but buggy
16:08 < mimo> is it possible to put syfig on winodws?
16:08 < dooglus> so I started fixing some of the bugs as I came across them
16:08 < mimo> *synfig
16:08 < Mooi> my ideal animation package would be... fork of inkscape :)
16:08 < Mooi> dooglus: that is cool!
16:08 < Mooi> mimo: yes
16:08 < mimo> right
16:09 < mimo> well i downloaded the installer
16:09 < mimo> but it says it's corrupt
16:09 < mimo> in some way
16:09 < mimo> when i start
16:09 < Mooi> download it again if you can
16:09 < mimo> it
16:09 < mimo> i did
16:09 < dooglus> mimo: it is - it's best to use the unofficial packages here: http://www.synfig.com/download/
16:09 < mimo> ok, ok
16:09 < mimo> so i used the SVN packages
16:09 < mimo> is that correct?
16:10 < dooglus> yes
16:10 < dooglus> from mmaa.ru, right?
16:10 < Mooi> dooglus: here's another bug - the navigator, params dialogs disappear when you are not focused onto any app's windows. they appear when you focus onto the main side window.
16:10 < mimo> no from the link you provided ^^^
16:10 < mimo> synfig.com
16:11 < mimo> i downloaded all 3 links
16:11 < dooglus> Mooi: how are you focussing?
16:11 < dooglus> Mooi: or rather, unfocussing?
16:11 < mimo> and installed them in the following order: GTK, Synfig core, synfig studio
16:11 < mimo> ok so far?
16:11 < dooglus> mimo: sounds ok.  which one failed?
16:11 < mimo> well on the unofficial none
16:12 < mimo> but the official, the core failed
16:12 < mimo> so i'm using unofficial
16:12 < dooglus> mimo: ok.  unofficial should be better anyway.
16:12 < mimo> am i right in thinking you have to install the core before installing the studio?
16:12 < mimo> ok
16:12 < Mooi> dooglus: I'll make a small screencast
16:12 < dooglus> mimo: I don't know if you have to install them in that order or not on windows, but the studio uses the core when it runs.
16:13 < mimo> ok
16:13 < mimo> so it installs fine
16:13 < mimo> for all 3
16:13 < mimo> but i run synfig studio form the sgtart menu
16:13 < dooglus> ok
16:13 < mimo> and after a few seconds i get an error
16:14 < mimo> it starts as: The procedure entry point.......
16:14 < dooglus> I wonder if you need to uninstall the official packages first
16:15 < mimo> i did
16:15 < dooglus> whether they're interfering with the unofficial - oh, ok
16:15 < dooglus> I've not got a windows pc here any more.  my last one died a few weeks ago.
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16:15 < mimo> it seems to mention something about some libgtkmm dll
16:15 < mimo> ok
16:16 < mimo> so if you can suggets anything?
16:16 < mimo> i can't seem to contact synfig. is anyone here part of it?
16:17 < dooglus> I'd suggest reporting the problem in as much detail as possible in the bug tracker
16:17 < mimo> where's that?
16:18 < dooglus> the 2nd 'additional link' on http://synfig.com/
16:18 < mimo> thanks
16:20 < Mooi> dooglus: nice videos you made on youtube :-)
16:20 < dooglus> thanks :)
16:20 < mimo> anyway. thanks veyr much for your help
16:20 < dooglus> I've not really used synfig for anything other than finding and fixing bugs at the moment
16:20 < dooglus> mimo: will you report the bug?
16:22 < mimo> yes
16:22 < dooglus> thanks
16:22 < Mooi> dooglus: http://wykis.com/oxo000.avi
16:22 < dooglus> I hope to get this Windows machine back up and running at some point
16:24 < mimo> perhaps it's the installer?
16:25 < dooglus> mimo: could be.  I've never tried those installer files myself.  I don't even know what installer he used.
16:25 < dooglus> Mooi: which window manager is that?
16:25 < mimo> i used the unofficial ones
16:26 < dooglus> mimo: yes, but I don't know which installer system those unofficial downloads use.
16:26 < Mooi> dooglus: I'm running KDE
16:26 < dooglus> Mooi: interesting.  I've not tried synfig in KDE.
16:26 < Mooi> It worked on the September build properly
16:27 < dooglus> Mooi: a couple of weeks ago my hard drive died, so until I get it fixed I'm stuck with an old xubuntu live CD and XFCE4 as my desktop environment
16:27 < dooglus> synfig wasn't working well with XFCE4's window manager - it was relying on a non-standard feature of GNOME's window manager to keep the dialogs focussed
16:28 < Mooi> hehe, I see
16:28 < dooglus> so I made the dialogs 'transient' windows - which is probably what's causing what you're seeing.
16:28 < mimo> anyway i'll submit the bug and hope for the best
16:28 < Mooi> I don't like gnome very much myself... will be changing to fluxbox when get a new HDD
16:28 < mimo> thanks again
16:28 < dooglus> it was a 1-line change, so you can try unchanging it
16:28 < Mooi> hmm
16:28 < Mooi> let's hope I can get grep it :)
16:29 < dooglus> in the studio directory, edit src/gtkmm/dockdialog.cpp
16:29 < Mooi> already there ;)
16:29 < dooglus> and comment the line set_transient_for(*App::toolbox);
16:29 < Mooi> okay
16:29 < dooglus> do you know about this kind of thing?
16:30 < Mooi> well, I'm a programmer
16:30 < Mooi> not too good in c++, but can do some stuff
16:30 < dooglus> I was wanting to make it so that all the dialogs jumped to the front whenever you are using any canvas, or the toolbox
16:30 < Mooi> okay
16:30 < Mooi> should I make clean everything or just compile over it?
16:30 < dooglus> just rebuild studio
16:30 < Mooi> okay, affirmed
16:30 < dooglus> and 'make install' again
16:30 < Mooi> yup
16:31 < dooglus> it'll be quick - the dependencies seem to be mostly ok
16:32 < Mooi> okey
16:32 < Mooi> compiling now
16:36 < dooglus> I just committed a change that fixes this.  It'll only use that set_transient_for() call if an environment variable is set.
16:36 < dooglus> so the default behaviour is now as it was in the last release.
16:36 < dooglus> the change will conflict with your local change, of course.
16:37 < Mooi> hehe
16:37 < Mooi> I'll just remove the file
16:37 < Mooi> later
16:37 < dooglus> 'svn revert' does it too
16:38 < dooglus> I see you were animating a gradient in the screencast
16:39 < dooglus> that's one of the first things I tried too, and it doesn't work, does it!
16:39 < dooglus> you can move it around, but if you try changing the colours, they don't change gradually.
16:39 < Mooi> I tried exporting, synfig didn't export anthing
16:39 < Mooi> hehe
16:39 < dooglus> I was hoping to do a sunset kind of thing
16:39 < Mooi> I think that there should be a clean project started
16:39 < Mooi> as far as I feel, this project might have not been well planned
16:39 < dooglus> where's export?
16:39 < Mooi> ..and designed
16:40 < Mooi> synfig -t ffmpeg ~/tezz.sif
16:40 < dooglus> oh, I see
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16:40 < Mooi> a file of exactly 2048 bytes ;-)
16:41 < dooglus> :)
16:42 < Mooi> I don't know man :)
16:42 < Mooi> I should be doing my course work now :|
16:42 < Mooi> my final exams are in about a month's time
16:42 < Mooi> in the summer I will be definately spending a lot of time on development
16:42 < Mooi> web and desktop app
16:43 < dooglus> if you fancy helping out with synfig, please do!
16:43 < Mooi> it would be nice
16:44 < Mooi> not looked much into source - but is the function kept away from the design or not?
16:44 < Mooi> cause I see two separate parts - synfig and synfig studio
16:44 < Mooi> can you integrate synfig (-libs) into your own application?
16:45 < dooglus> the rendering stuff is completely separate from the gui, yes
16:45 < Mooi> that shows good design patterns :)
16:45 < dooglus> studio is an app which uses the synfig libs, so your own app could as well
16:46 < dooglus> I think it's well designed, but not very polished
16:46 < Mooi> it would be amazing if you could make skeletons or something like that :D
16:46 < dooglus> skeletons?
16:46 < Mooi> yes, most of my app frameworks in PHP are usually high quality but the interface to accessing is not good
16:47 < Mooi> you know, you could have a human for example, and all you'd need to do is to move one of the coordinates and it moves the whole arm
16:47 < Mooi> this would automatically give flexibility because you are able to modify the hand, for example
16:47 < Mooi> I hope I make sense
16:47 < dooglus> 'bones'?
16:48 < dooglus> http://www.osnews.com/story.php/13241/Interview-with-Synfigs-Robert-Quattlebaum/
16:48 < dooglus> Simply put, Moho uses bones for animation, whereas Synfig does not. Early on in Synfig's development we considered the use of bones for 2D animation, but decided against it because it inhibits an animators ability to give characters the subtle tweaks that make them feel alive--muscle texture and cloth movements for example. 
16:49 < Mooi> I'm on it
16:49 < Mooi> well, I was thinking differently about the bones thing
16:50 < Mooi> say, a bone would have two lines, which equates to four points. you can alter these points like splines or blines or whatever, and it would automatically shape a selected reason
16:50 < dooglus> do you have ffmpeg installed?
16:50 < Mooi> though my idea is not strongly talked
16:50 < Mooi> dooglus: yes, the rendering worked with non-svn version of synfig
16:50 < dooglus> ok
16:50 < dooglus> it doesn't work for me, but that's because I don't have ffmpeg..
16:51 < dooglus> I tend to render to .png and then mencode to make a .avi if I need to
16:51 < Mooi> ah, okay
16:53 < Mooi> so far, I feel that I'm a better graphic designer through code ;-) I have created my own little framework for generating SVG diagrams for planning layout of a house :) I wouldn't bother to do it with Inkscape by hand, 'cause it is not that flexible. Do you think that it is possible to do something like this with synfig libs?
16:54 < dooglus> synfig doesn't currently read or write SVG
16:54 < Mooi> I'm not about SVG at the moment
16:54 < dooglus> I don't know if that answers your question.  if it's important that it ends up in svg, then no, not now
16:54 < Mooi> I'm talking about machine generated graphics, where the user themselves do not design the whole thing by hand
16:54 < dooglus> ok
16:55 < Mooi> it would be somehow nice :)
16:55 < dooglus> if you can generate the .sif file from your app then synfig can display it
16:55 < dooglus> it's an xml format - quite transparent
16:55 < Mooi> .sif - how is it built/based?
16:55 < Mooi> ah, ownage
16:56 < Mooi> whoa, massive length of these files here
16:56 < dooglus> more than half of it is usually the spaces used to indent each line
16:56 < Mooi> hehe
16:56 < dooglus> they compress very well, at least.
16:57 < dooglus> I imagine all those spaces are there because it makes it easier to debug
16:57 < Mooi> yes, as text files
16:57 < Mooi> yup
16:57 < dooglus> which in itself gives you an idea about the maturity of the project.
16:57 < Mooi> hehe
16:58 < dooglus> at times it feels like the code couldn't have been used for anything very serious, because it seems quite buggy still
16:58 < Mooi> wow, compressed 10x - from 108kb to 9.6kb
16:58 < dooglus> right.
16:58 < Mooi> (with gzip)
16:59 < dooglus> but then I see some of the example animations, and they're quite amazing
16:59 < dooglus> did you see prologue?
16:59 < dooglus> or happy fun-joy time?
16:59 < dooglus> http://youtube.com/watch?v=QKQI7-mMvyg
16:59 < Mooi> both :)
16:59 < Mooi> very awsome
17:00 < dooglus> I just have to wonder how you go about creating something like that with a tool that only half works
17:00 < dooglus> it's a kind of magic
17:01 < Mooi> I was thinking of making a small movie, and that's why I searched for something
17:01 < Mooi> just wanna make myself known on youtube, really ;-)
17:02 < Mooi> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L84e599IVfU < a small video I made with basic mencoder, and already have two favourites :)
17:03 < dooglus> can you see who favourited them?
17:03 < Mooi> unfortunately no
17:06 < dooglus> is that negativland in the actioncube video?
17:06 < Mooi> huh?
17:06 < dooglus> the music
17:06 < dooglus> Sunday Bloody Sunday
17:07 < Mooi> negativland = ?
17:07 < dooglus> the artist?
17:07 < dooglus> I've heard that version before somewhere, but can't remember where
17:07 < Mooi> oh, you want the song? look in youtube for "bush bloody"
17:08 < dooglus> ok, I see
17:08 < dooglus> I didn't recogise his voice
17:08 < Mooi> hehe
17:08 < Mooi> Just thought to put something up quickly
17:11 < dooglus> http://youtube.com/watch?v=xxmvqaECodQ <-- the link between negativland and u2 in my mind
17:13 < Mooi> I don't get it, does not make sense to me
17:13 < Mooi> English is not my native language
17:13 < dooglus> ok
17:14 < dooglus> the synth music in the background is the tune of u2's "i still haven't found what I'm looking for"
17:14 < dooglus> that's all
17:14 < Mooi> is it talking about the world's anti-neutrality?
17:14 < Mooi> heh
17:15 < dooglus> I think someone got their hands on a recording of a famous American broadcaster swearing off-mike about the band U2, and put it to music.
17:16 < Mooi> :>
17:30 < dooglus> oh, how did you make that screencast by the way?
17:30 < Mooi> xvidcap
17:30 < dooglus> thanks
17:30 < Mooi> np
17:30 < Mooi> dooglus: do you have any experience in web application development with c++?
17:32 < Mooi> or client interfaces with c++ to web through xml?
17:32 < dooglus> no
17:32 < dooglus> this is the first C++ I've looked at really
17:32 < Mooi> I see
17:32 < Mooi> what are you more familiar with?
17:33 < dooglus> C
17:33 < dooglus> Python
17:33 < Mooi> coolness
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18:52 < zloc> dooglus, perhaps sometime you can give me some pointers to help me wrap my head around python...
18:53 < dooglus> zloc: the tutorial is very good
18:53 < zloc> has it improved?
18:53 < dooglus> I don't know.  I didn't look at it for years.
18:53 < dooglus> you didn't like it?
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18:54 < zloc> everytime i have tried to grok pythin, something seems to fail to click for me
18:54 < dooglus> I just needed to split something into 12 equal parts in synfig
18:54 < zloc> anyway, that is for another time
18:55 < zloc> i will try to remember your skillset...
18:55 < dooglus> I wanted to enter the 'origin' as a float between 0.00 and 1.00
18:55 < dooglus> to work it out, I used python:
18:55 < dooglus> for i in range(1,12): print "%.2f" % (i*1.0/12)
18:55 < dooglus> it's just the easiest way to do simple things I know of.
18:55 < dooglus> very useful as a 'programmable calculator' type thing
18:56 < dooglus> (that line shows: 0.08 0.17 0.25 0.33 0.42 0.50 0.58 0.67 0.75 0.83 0.92 - the decimal expansions of 1/12 up to 11/12)
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19:52 < mimo> hello
19:53 < mimo> is anyone around?
19:53 < mimo> am i actually online?
19:56 < mememeandme> yeah
19:56 < mimo> oh good
19:56 < mimo> i got an error so i thought i wasnt
19:56 < mimo> lol
19:56 < mememeandme> what kind of error?
19:57 < mimo> oh nothin it works now
19:57 < mememeandme> fine ;)
19:57 < mimo> speaking of errors i get one when i start synfig studio
19:57 < mimo> i chatted to some people here eralier
19:57 < mimo> but they weren't able to help
19:57 < mimo> so i posted it on the bug tracker
20:03 < mememeandme> are you using windows?
20:03 < mimo> yup
20:04 < mememeandme> i guess i can't help you =( i could only advise something about linux... not win../
20:04 < mimo> ok
20:04 < mimo> thanks anyway
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21:59 < teak> dooglus, you here?
22:00 < teak> I have a misunderstanding or have found another bug.
22:01 < dooglus> hi
22:01 < dooglus> shoot :)
22:02 < teak> how does one use onionskin?
22:02 < dooglus> are you zotz and zloc as well?
22:02 < teak> can you sketch on it?
22:02 < dooglus> no
22:02 < teak> yes i have multiple accounts depending on machine
22:03 < dooglus> the onionskins are 2 transparent layers which show you how the previous and next keyframe look
22:03 < teak> so, sketches cannot animate.
22:03 < dooglus> sketches can't, no.  it's just like a rough sketch layer for making notes, or ideas of what you want to draw
22:03 < dooglus> I don't think the sketch layer makes it into the final render either does it'?
22:04 < teak> what i sketch does not show up in the animation
22:04 < Mooi> I thought sketches were disabled at all
22:05 < dooglus> Mooi: see the FAQ
22:06 < dooglus> there are env. variables to re-enable the 4 disabled tools
22:06 < teak> i was guessing i might use the onionskin to to more animation like ktoon
22:06 < teak> oops gotta run to an emergency job
22:06 < Mooi> I already used them, heh. It's just that they aren't enabled by default
22:06 < teak> back later.
22:06 < dooglus> ok
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22:06 < Mooi> nvm :P
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