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12:09 < dooglus> troy_s: you're using a laptop?
12:12 < dooglus> troy_s: try File > Input Devices > Disable
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16:04 < timonator> troy_s: are you still there?
16:04 < timonator> troy_s: the ubuntu package is quite old. in fact it is very old. you might want to try installing it from the SVN repository as it's explained in the "build instructions" (or similar) page on the Wiki
16:17 < TurboAWAY> hi there
16:18 < timonator> hello
16:48 < timonator> how can i adjust the length of my "movie" after having created it?
17:04 < dooglus> Edit > Properties > Time
17:24 < timonator> how do i turn a circle into a bline?
17:24 < timonator> <- is going to make a tutorial for synfig
17:24 < timonator> a nice one with lots of pictures
17:31 < dooglus> I realreally don't think you can
17:31 < timonator> ok
17:31 < timonator> what does the dropdown list with TCB in it do?
17:32 < dooglus> it sets the default interpolation type
17:32 < dooglus> when you move something over time, how do you want it to move?
17:32 < timonator> ah, i see
17:32 < dooglus> linearly?  smoothly?  etc.
17:33 < dooglus> TCB is like 'smoothly'
17:33 < timonator> mhm mhm
17:33 < timonator> i'll go into detail on that part much later in my tutorial
17:34 < TurboAWAY> tcb rulez ;)
17:35 < dooglus> I made a wiki page which kind of gets into it a little: http://wiki.synfig.com/Waypoints
17:36 < timonator> thanks, i'll bookmark and digest it :)
17:37 < dooglus> please feel free to improve it - especially the purple 'manual' waypoints
17:37 < timonator> it's not like i have any artistic talent at all so i think i should just try to write an easy to follow tutorial instead
17:38 < dooglus> I'm in the same position - that's why I spent my time fixing synfig bugs rather than trying to actually use it :)
17:38 < timonator> heh
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17:58 < timonator> hm, this is more work that i thought it would be
18:00 < dooglus> what, writing a tutorial?
18:07 < timonator> yes
18:07 < timonator> it's fun, tho
18:08 < dooglus> are you doing it as a wiki page?
18:08 < timonator> no
18:09 < timonator> i can convert it later, tho
18:09 < timonator> i'd want some peer-review before
18:09 < dooglus> it would be good to have it in the wiki, so others can contribute to it as well
18:09 < timonator> yes
18:09 < dooglus> I don't think that's necessary - it's ok to have incomplete pages in the wiki I'm sure - there are vast holes in it at the moment anyway.
18:09 < dooglus> see it as a work in progress
18:11 < timonator> http://timonator.ath.cx/~timonator/synfigtut/tutorial.html
18:11 < timonator> yay WIP
18:14 < koala_man> if I try to import svg drawings, does it go via png?
18:14 < timonator> koala_man: i don't think so
18:14 < dooglus> I don't think there's any kind of svg support in synfig at the moment
18:15 < timonator> uh
18:15 < koala_man> it fails but it prints  'synfig(12014): info: command=convert "/home/etc/background.svg" "png32:/tmp/deleteme.png"'
18:15 < dooglus> oh, I see
18:15 < timonator> oh
18:15 < dooglus> on linux?
18:15 < timonator> it needs imagemagick
18:16 < dooglus> $ dpkg -S /usr/bin/convert
18:16 < dooglus> imagemagick: /usr/bin/convert
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18:22 < troy_s> timonator: Thanks for the tip.
18:22 < timonator> :)
18:22 < dooglus> troy_s: did you see my comment about disabling the touchpad?
18:23 < dooglus> troy_s: you should be able to draw circles in the ubuntu package at least.
18:23 < troy_s> dooglus: Negative.
18:23 < troy_s> dooglus: I really need to get the bloody SVN up
18:23 < dooglus> troy_s: are you using a laptop?
18:23 < troy_s> dooglus: No.
18:23 < dooglus> troy_s: so what's the problem?
18:23 < troy_s> Although I have a wacom attached and that might have something to do with it.
18:23 < dooglus> ok, that might well be it.
18:23 < troy_s> dooglus: Literally -- I can't do feck all with the mouse.
18:24 < dooglus> if you select the 'circle' tool and try drawing on the canvas, you see nothing at all?
18:24 < troy_s> dooglus: Is there any chance of synfig evolving into the next killer app by providng full SVN integration?
18:24 < troy_s> dooglus: Yes.
18:24 < troy_s> dooglus: It doesn't recognize clicks -- nothing.
18:24 < troy_s> dooglus: In fact, no tool allows me to do anything.
18:24 < dooglus> troy_s: so try "file > input devices" and disabling the touchpad/tablet
18:25 < troy_s> well that's just it... there apparently is a bug
18:25 < troy_s> as i can't close that input devices window via the 'save/close' method
18:25 < troy_s> only the metacity close button works
18:26 < dooglus> that has been fixed in svn
18:26 < dooglus> but: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1677510&group_id=144022&atid=757416
18:26 < dooglus> bugs remain
18:26 < dooglus> the metacity close button is OK though.
18:26 < dooglus> it still sees your change
18:28 < troy_s> great.
18:28 < troy_s> I would like to see this app get some attention, so perhaps providing an updated package for Ubuntu might help.
18:28 < troy_s> Is SVG support on the table?
18:29 < dooglus> from what koala_man just said, it sounds as if you can import .svg files and have them displayed as if they were just a regular raster image
18:30 < dooglus> the problem is, nobody is working on synfig at the moment
18:30 < dooglus> I spent a few weeks fixing the most obvious bugs, but I've slowed down the last week or two (my laptop broke, and it's been too nice to sit indoors coding :) )
18:31 < dooglus> I think pabs was hoping to get a universal mac package built before making a new release, but nothing seems to be happening on that front
18:32 < troy_s> eek that is really unfortuante.
18:32 < troy_s> unfortunate even
18:32 < timonator> i'm trying to write a comprehensive and easy tutorial for the first steps in synfig
18:36 < timonator> http://timonator.ath.cx/~timonator/synfigtut/tutorial.html - what do you think?
18:42 < dooglus> I'll look later - have to go now.
18:43 < dooglus> and about converting a circle to a bline: I don't think it's possible to draw a circle using blines.  you can approximate a circle, but I don't think blines can draw circles exactly.
18:44 < timonator> ah
18:44 < timonator> oh well.
18:44 < timonator> at least you can use stretch etc to transform circles
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19:26 < dooglus> you can get pretty close to a circle with blines - as close as you like if you use lots of points
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