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07:07 < LinuxO> chau a todos
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14:02 < koala_man> are keyframes per scene?
14:45 < timonator> what do you mean?
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15:11 < koala_man> keyframes appear to apply to all layers, so if you add a layer with simple motion, you have to set its position for all the keyframes rather than just two
15:29 < koala_man> how do you unencapsulate something? synfig just segfaults if I try to drag&drop it out
15:30 < koala_man> copy&paste of course :P
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16:51 < koala_man> how do you strip all animation from some layers?
16:53 < koala_man> or any animation off of anything for that matter
18:23 < timonator> hm
18:23 < timonator> i'm not quite sure what the difference between keyframe and waypoint is
18:24 < timonator> but with waypoints you can control exactly what happens from where to where
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19:36 < dooglus> koala_man: keyframes work across all layers, yes
19:38 < dooglus> koala_man: you can use the padlock icon in the bottom right of the drawing area to tell it to ignore keyframes when working on your layer with simple motion
19:39 < dooglus> koala_man: you strip animation from layers by right-clicking on the waypoints and selecting 'delete'
19:39 < dooglus> unfortunately, it doesn't seem to be possible to delete more than one waypoint at a time
19:40 < dooglus> timonator: a keyframe marks a position where all the parameter values are fixed - like if you adjust the parameter before and after the keyframe, its value will stay as it was in the keyframe
19:40 < dooglus> timonator: and waypoints are what are created to make that so
19:41 < timonator> oh
19:41 < timonator> i think i understand
19:41 < dooglus> timonator: example:  you have keyframes at 1s and 2s.  you draw a circle with radius 3
19:41 < dooglus> at 3s you adjust the radius to be 4.  a waypoint will be created for "radius at 3s = 4"
19:42 < dooglus> and another will be created for "radius at 2s = 3" (because of the keyframe at 2s)
19:42 < dooglus> no waypoint will be created at 1s yet, because so far it's not needed.  similarly, no waypoints are created for the circle's centre point, because you haven't move it yet, only messed with the radius.
19:42 < timonator> mhm
19:43 < dooglus> (all this is assuming you're in animation edit mode - if you aren't then no waypoints are created when you change parameters
19:43 < timonator> so the radius will stay 3 until 2s and then interpolate to 4 until 3s?
19:43 < dooglus> and if any radius waypoint already exists for that layer, you won't be allowed to adjust the radius outside of anim-edit-mode
19:43 < dooglus> )
19:43 < dooglus> that's exactly right
19:44 < dooglus> - unless you've used the padlock in the bottom right of the canvas to tell it to ignore preceeding keyframes
19:44 < timonator> i don't really understand yet why you would want keyframes if you can have waypoints :/
19:44 < timonator> it seems to me that those are two things for the same purpose
19:44 < dooglus> nb. almost everything I know about synfig comes from reading the code and playing with the program.  I don't know how it is *supposed* to work, just how it behaves...
19:45 < timonator> hah :D
19:45 < dooglus> timonator: because it's annoying to have to create hundreds of waypoints, when you can create a single keyframe instead
19:45 < timonator> hm ok
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20:06 < koala_man> dooglus: great, thanks!
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20:52 < dooglus> timonator: I like the tutorial you've made
20:54 < dooglus> I see you've added to it since yesterday too
20:54 < dooglus> is that KDE by the way?
21:15 < koala_man> dooglus: the waypoints are the circles in the Timetrack, right? When I right 'Change "Out" Interp' and 'Jump to' but no delete
21:15 < koala_man> right click
21:16 < koala_man> dooglus: oh, I can hit the delete button. never mind :P
21:16 < koala_man> sorry for bothering you guys all day :/
21:17 < koala_man> oh, I can't. they just disappeared because I deleted the object :O
21:19 < koala_man> ah ok, it doesn't work on encapsulations, only single objects
21:21 < koala_man> no. on circles, but not on outlines or regions. I'll just shut up now. 
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21:45 < funnymoney1> Hello
21:47 < funnymoney1> Hello?
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22:23 < timonator> dooglus: yes, it's kde, the transparency is from beryl, but i plan on remaking the screenshots with beryl disabled since the transparency is not really good when working with graphics applications
22:48 < dooglus> koala_man: you need to expand the parameters in the parameter dialog
22:49 < dooglus> for instance, if you animate a bline by dragging the ducks around, waypoints will be created for each vertex you move
22:49 < dooglus> but not just for the vertex - for the vertex's position and tangents
22:49 < dooglus> so you need to expand the bline, expand each vertex in the bline, expand each tangent in the vertex, and delete all the waypoints - it's a pain!
22:50 < dooglus> koala_man: obviously, it would be a lot nicer if you could just delete the waypoint on the outline itself, and have that delete all the sub-waypoints recursively, but I don't see how.
22:50 < koala_man> I just dragged another waypoint over it which overwrote it, then I moved it back. seemed to work
22:50 < dooglus> clever
22:51 < koala_man> I got some weird artifacts when I tried to animate later though, I'm not sure if that caused it
22:51 < dooglus> probably
22:51 < dooglus> I think when you move an outline's waypoint, all the sub-waypoints move with it
22:52 < dooglus> one thing that might work would be to have a waypoint 'off the end' of your animation, and use that to mop up any waypoints you want to delete
22:52 < koala_man> hmm
22:52 < dooglus> drag it over the waypoint to delete, then drag it back off the end.
22:52 < koala_man> good idea
22:52 < dooglus> ie. if you really want to make a 3 second animation, make it 3s1f, and keep the junk waypoint at 3s1f, just for mopping up
22:53 < dooglus> I'll look into improving the deletion of waypoints when I get back into synfig coding
22:57 < timonator> nice
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