--- Log opened Sun Nov 25 00:00:35 2007
00:46 -!- genete [n=Genete@84.122.39.205.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #synfig
00:46 < genete> hi! anybody there?
00:48 < pabs3> oh man! I'm so hung over!
00:49 < genete> he he
00:49 < pabs3> hi genete 
00:49 < genete> hi pabs3 !
00:49 < genete> (no progress with the translation...) (not free time...)
00:49 < genete> :(
00:50 < pabs3> :)
00:51 < pabs3> thats ok
00:55 < genete> pabs3: I wonder why the sketch tool doesn't load the sketch properly after have been saved.
00:56 < pabs3> thats strange, it worked for me before
00:56 < genete> I've seen the saved file and seems to be fine.
00:56 < genete> but when load it it gets flatten
00:56 < genete> could you test it for me?
00:57 < pabs3> it works for me here
00:57 < pabs3> which svn version are you using?
00:57 < genete> two steps previous the current one
00:57 < pabs3> 1157 here
00:57 < genete> 1162 here
00:57 < pabs3> which platform are you on?
00:58 < genete> linux Unbuntu 6.10
00:58 < pabs3> powerpc? i386? amd64?
00:58 < genete> amd Athlon XP
00:58 < pabs3> can you upload the sketch somewhere, I'll see if I can load it
00:58 < genete> ok
01:02 < genete> http://www.darthfurby.com/genete/synfig/Synfig_Animation_1.sifz.sketch
01:02 < genete> it loads but gets a flat sketch
01:05 < pabs3> works for me: http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/files/tmp/sketch.png
01:05 < pabs3> what does it look like after you clear the sketch, then load it?
01:06 < genete> the one I've post?
01:06 < pabs3> yeah
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01:08 < genete> http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/Genete/SketchFlatten.png
01:08 < pabs3> yuk
01:08 < genete> I't seems like if the Y coordinate is forgotten
01:09 < genete> coudl you please tell me if it loads ok for you?
01:09 < pabs3> yeah, it loaded fine: http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/files/tmp/sketch.png
01:10 < pabs3> are there any warnings on the command line? Bad vertex / Bad color line?
01:11 < genete> Absolutely nothing
01:12 < pxegeek> works here too - svn 1102
01:12  * pxegeek sees pabs is still using his translated version ;)
01:12 < pabs3> :) yep
01:13 < genete> Any ideas?
01:13 < pabs3> I think maybe it is a 64-bitness issue
01:13 < genete> I can live without sketch but it is disappointing
01:14 < pabs3> rore / KiBi: around? can you test the sketch loading?
01:15 < genete> pabs3: are you suggestiong that save/load sketch is under a 64 bit optimized code?
01:15 < pabs3> just that it is possible the code for loading isn't properly portable to amd64
01:16 < genete> my god! but if it is only read some pairs of numbers!
01:18 < pabs3> I know, looks really simple, and having said that, I can't see why the code is broken
01:19 < pabs3> would need to step into the code in gdb and see if the data is being read correctly
01:19 < genete> I've looked to the code but get lost when see this : get_work_area()->save_sketch(filename)
01:19 < pabs3> the relevant bit is duckmatic.cpp Duckmatic::load_sketch around line 851
01:19 < genete> it overpass my knowledges
01:23 < genete> The code seems fine... stroke_data->push_back(synfig::Vector(x,y)); seems to be the final responsible for loading the stroke...
01:26 < pxegeek> genete: I don't think you're helping pabs' headache ;)
01:27 < pabs3> genete: yep. so, if you put a breakpoint at duckmatic.cpp 898, step over the strscanf and then print x and y, does it give sane values?
01:28 < pxegeek> Not just flattened in the y direction, but also aligned on tile boundaries? 
01:30 < genete> pxegeek: not. It also makes 45 degrees lines...
01:30 < pxegeek> Bizarre - I gotta get me one of them thar 64 bit machines
01:30 < pxegeek> Not!
01:31 < pxegeek> ;)
01:31 < genete> pabs3: I don't know how to make a breakpoint... I knew it when I was child using windows environment...
01:32 < genete> It was about 8 years ago I was using Borland C++ 1.0
01:33 < genete> Now I barely can read the code... the etl templates are very difficult to me to understand.
01:33 < pabs3> have you got gdb installed?
01:34 < genete> yes i have. Dooglus used once by vnc
01:37 < pabs3> so, compile studio with --enable-debug and --enable-optimization=0, run "gdb synfigstudio", then "br duckmatic.cpp:898", then load the sketch, then in gdb do step a few times, then "print x", "print y"
01:39 < genete> I'll take note of the recipe pabs3, thanks. I'll do it other day. Now it is 1:40 AM here...
01:39 < pabs3> sleep well :)
01:39  * pabs3 goes to get waaaatttteeerr
01:39 < genete> one question: print x and print y have quotes 
01:40 < genete> ?
01:40 < genete> or not when insert them in gdb?
01:40 < genete> I guess not quotes but want to be sure
01:40 < pabs3> no quotes when you put them into gdb
01:40 < genete> ok
01:40 < genete> I'll put the results when done.
01:40 < pabs3> cool, thanks
01:41 < genete> I appreciate the recipe because I could help to dooglus to debug some easy things...
01:42 < genete> night all
01:42 < genete> pxegeek: How's the demo reel going on?
01:44 < pxegeek> It's kinda ground to a halt due to a preview bug I ran into.  dooglus said it gave him a 300MB dump file.  
01:45 < genete> ah yes... I've readed it
01:45 < genete> sorry
01:45 < genete> :(
01:45 < genete> time to debug!
01:45 < pxegeek> It's how we make the program more robust, right?
01:45 < genete> yeah!
01:45 < genete> see you
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01:47 < pabs3> heh http://miketeo.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/611.jpg
01:59 < pxegeek> :) you'd think emacs graph would look more fractal....
01:59 < pxegeek> hey pabs, did you get a chance to look at the console outputs I posted?
01:59 < pabs3> not yet, went to the party just after you posted em
02:00 < pxegeek> Sounds like it was a good party too!
02:00 < pabs3> yep
02:01 < pxegeek> So, you busy now?  
02:01 < pabs3> it was an election party, we all got really really trashed, and we got a change of govt
02:01 < pabs3> busy nursing a hangover :)
02:01 < pabs3> but I'll take a look today
02:01 < pxegeek> Probably not a good idea to ask you how bootstrap worked then....
02:05 < pxegeek> So from what I can see, with bootstrap it looks like config.status is the last thing is written after libltdl/configure is run, but in the new world it's the other way around.
02:06 < pxegeek> and the parameters for libltdl/configure look different too....
02:06 < pxegeek> OK - let me know if there's anything you'd like me to change & rerun.
02:06 < pxegeek> I'll be around for the next 3-4 hours
02:08 < pabs3> cool
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06:10 < factor> genete gone now but was talking about gdb
06:10 < factor> ddd works as a great front end to gdb
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06:46 < pxegeek> Hi Ceox!
06:47 < Ceox> hey pxegeek!
06:47 < pxegeek> Just getting ready to go to bed!
06:47 < pxegeek> How's Finland this morning?
06:58 < Ceox> cold and dry
06:58 < Ceox> not so cool
06:58 < Ceox> any new animations?
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07:02 < pxegeek> Actually I'm just working on one right now to show how synfig can animate imported images...
07:02 < factor> neat
07:02 < pxegeek> I'm going to have to leave it running overnight to render though.
07:03 < factor> can you use GL stuff to use hardware to render to harddrive or is it limited to output to monitors
07:04 < factor> sorta like the tv cards can encode to harddrive 
07:04 < factor> but use GL scale transform etc.. to render to harddrive image
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07:09 < pxegeek> You'll have to ask dooglus how the renderer works.  I know he's done some poking in there.
07:09 < pxegeek> I think it's safe to say there's no HW acceleration right now ;)
07:10 < pxegeek> For mpg output, synfig writes the image out to a pipe to ffmpeg, so there's got to be some room for improvement there....
07:11 < factor> heh
07:11 < factor> ok
07:11 < factor> talking in the opengl room right too
07:11 < factor> they say you can use some tricks to use the gl hardware to help out
07:11 < pxegeek> dooglus: is there anyway you can teach synfig not to recalculate noise gradients each frame if they're not animated?
07:12 < pxegeek> OpenGL would need to be another 'helper app' bolted on to synfig.
07:12 < factor> yeah
07:12 < pxegeek> It doesn't come as default in windows ;)
07:12 < factor> only use it when available
07:12 < factor> winder ewww
07:13 < factor> :D
07:13 < pxegeek> I know, I know.....
07:13 < factor> well linux does not come open GL ready even now becasue most cards are not OSS
07:13 < factor> binary drivers
07:13 < factor> ATI and intel have OSS but ATI is still in the works
07:16 < pxegeek> Want to try that last line again?
07:16 < factor> ATI is oss now but they are working on making them "work"
07:16 < factor> big diff is the drivers are free but do not work
07:16 < factor> yet
07:17 < pxegeek> I used to swear by ATI, now I just swear at them
07:17 < factor> heh
07:17 < factor> they will be better in the future
07:17 < pxegeek> I had a radeon something or other All in wonder
07:17 < pxegeek> It would get hot and fall over
07:18 < factor> right now I use raedon and nvidia but raedon binary drivers are still not that good
07:18 < pxegeek> sent it off under warranty and got a replacement
07:18 < pxegeek> Does the same thing.
07:18 < pxegeek> It's sitting on my desk now...
07:18 < factor> Nvidia binary drivers are the best of bot of them by far but it is not oss
07:18 < factor>  /sbot/by
07:19 < factor> s/
07:19 < pxegeek> I got it
07:19 < factor> :D
07:20 < pxegeek> well, the render is running - frame 94 out of 300
07:20 < pxegeek> I'm going to bed.
07:20 < factor> k
07:28 < KiBi> pabs3: Sleeping for some hours still.
07:29 < KiBi> pabs3: And since she's using it already, I don't want to possibly crash her ongoing stuff.
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08:05 < Ceox> how to remove asketch?
08:05 < pabs3>  press the clear sketch button
08:05 < pabs3> in the tool options dialog
08:09 < Ceox> aah, thanks
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08:54 < factor> ok gotta get back in sync sleep time
09:18 < KiBi> Even /me did, heh :)
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09:27 < ulrik> hi all!
09:28 < pabs3> hi ulrik 
09:28 < ulrik> pxegeek: hi!, i read the log and i've uploaded the "room" ani here: http://www.musikboden.se/synfigfiles/roomB_v.2.zip
09:28 < ulrik> hi pabs3
09:31 < ulrik> pxegeek: i have problems with the "underwater" ani, it has a lot of exported canvases and i can't see the links,, is there a way to read the paths to the linked canvases?
09:31 < genete> hi ulrik !!1
09:31 < ulrik> hi genete!
09:31 < genete> lot of time lost man!
09:31 < ulrik> do you know how to see the paths to a exported canvas?
09:32 < ulrik> yes, i have had a lot of work lately
09:32 < genete> I believe that once exported the path is lost
09:32 < genete> becasue it is inside the current file itself
09:34 < ulrik> i have an animation and it includes 3 exported canvases and if i move the main sifz file to another directory i can't open it because it depending on 3 other exported canvases
09:34 < genete> ouch
09:34 < ulrik> yeah, it's a mess
09:34 < genete> then it should be inside the file
09:35 < genete> open the file and search for a piece of path
09:35 < genete> it must be there
09:36 < genete> ulrik: have you seen this? http://wiki.synfig.com/Sewing_Blines
09:36 < ulrik> i tried that, with images there's no problems the path is there, but with canvases i can't find any path
09:36 < ulrik> genete: i saw it in the beginning, not the finished
09:36 < ulrik> i'll check it out
09:37 < ulrik> talking about sewing blines
09:37 < genete> Not so much new but interesting to see. It explains (hope) how to stitch belines. I did it for your help... ;)
09:37 < ulrik> maybe it's possible to find the paths if i open the main file in a text editor? i'll try that
09:38 < genete> I meant a text editor!... xD
09:38 < ulrik> genete: you are a very nice person genete!  :) 
09:39 < ulrik> ahh... i see ;) 
09:39 < genete> you too! I've learnt a lot of things doing it! You inspired me!
09:46 < ulrik> genete: i have the main file opened in a texteditor and i can find the pasted canvases, their names but no paths, do you know what i should look for?
09:47 < genete> Can you post the file and tell me one path to look?
09:47 < ulrik> sure...hold on
09:49 < ulrik> it's here: http://www.musikboden.se/synfigfiles/jellyfish_underwater2.sifz
09:50 < ulrik> look for a path to "discusfish"
09:50 < ulrik> but as a stand alone file it's named "discus_fisk.sifz"
09:51 < genete> I'm doing a sifz search
09:52 < genete> aborre is other one?
09:52 < ulrik> yes
09:52 < ulrik> but i can't find any info about the paths to theese files
09:52 < ulrik> strange
09:52 < genete> yes it is
09:54 < genete> yup! I hang on firefox... I've done a "mark all" search for a very common string....
09:55 < genete> It is marking all the file!!!
09:56 < ulrik> ?
09:56 < genete> I used firefox to make the string search
09:57 < genete> and then I told him "mark all the coincidences" but the string was so common...
09:57 < genete> so it is still working
09:57 < genete> firefox's bug I think
09:58 < ulrik> it is working when i open the main file at the original directory, but want to send the file to pxegeek, with all it's pasted canvases and images but i can't at the moment
09:59 < genete> I think you can make a workaround
09:59 < ulrik> ok, how?
10:00 < genete> open each exported canvas into its own window. For example the discusfish
10:00 < genete> on the caret menu save it to a new file (save it to a known path!!) 
10:00 < genete> do it for all the exported canvases
10:01 < ulrik> that is the really strange part because the discus is not inside the canvases directory!!??
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10:01 < genete> try to move all the files to other place (maintianing the relative path) and see if it works
10:01 < genete> Mmm strange
10:01 < ulrik> so i can't open it
10:01 < genete> I'll load the file
10:02 < ulrik> you can't do that
10:02 < genete> I suppose
10:02 < ulrik> you need the discus and aborre and jelly fish
10:02 < ulrik> sifz
10:02 < KiBi> pabs3: Feeling any better? :)
10:03 < genete> ulrik: I see
10:03 < ulrik> mmm... :( 
10:03 < genete> but you can not?
10:04 < genete> save the exported canvases to new files
10:05 < pabs3> KiBi: slightly :)
10:05 < ulrik> not the discus, cause it's not there in the canvases window
10:05 < rore> Hi!
10:06 < genete> hi rore !
10:06 < ulrik> hi rore
10:06 < genete> ulrik: so you cannot really open your own file?
10:06 < ulrik> i can
10:07 < genete> save with its own name as many exported canvases as you can. Place all them in the same folder, make a zip and send it us
10:07 < rore> pabs3: genete's sketch loads fine here too (with rev 1162. But maybe the problem was already solved, I didn't read everything that happened in the last hours)
10:08 < ulrik>  but as soon as i try to collect all files depended on the main file in same directory i can't open the main file
10:08 < ulrik> well it's only the discus file that makes the erroe
10:08 < pabs3> rore: nope, wasn't solved yet
10:08 < ulrik> ok, i'll post all files
10:09 < genete> ulrik: ok then
10:09 < genete> rore: are you using linux?
10:09 < rore> genete: yup (debian Sid)
10:09 < genete> and what's your CPU?
10:11 < KiBi> genete: amd64
10:11 < genete> I think pabs3 pointed to the correct direction. I'm with anAMD 32 bits
10:12 < genete> As soon as I have some time I'll compile with debug option and see if can catch the float error. 
10:12 < pabs3> genete, rore: what does this give: uname -m?
10:13 < genete> i686
10:13 < rore> pabs3: Linux erwin 2.6.22-1-amd64 #1 SMP Mon Jul 23 12:43:14 UTC 2007 x86_64 GNU/Linux
10:13 < rore> oups, that was -a :D
10:14  * rore reads to fast ... or simply reads badly in the morning
10:14 < rore> *too
10:14 < KiBi> And write too fast :)
10:14 < pabs3> genete: so, I have the same architecture (amd64 CPU, but using Debian i386)
10:15 < genete> pabs3: what does it means?
10:15 < genete> that also depends on the linux version?
10:15 < pabs3> means that the CPU isn't the issue, and we need some more debugging
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10:17 < KiBi> pabs3: Any reason why you're not using an amd64 userland?
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10:18 < pabs3> KiBi: this install was first on an internal HD in my desktop, then booting from an external USB hd, then I copied it onto my laptop HD. I've been to lazy to reinstall too
10:21 < KiBi> ok
10:21 < KiBi> to/too too? :)
10:22 < rore> tchootchoo
10:22 < ulrik> genete: i have uploaded all files here: http://www.musikboden.se/synfigfiles/underwater.zip , the main file is "underwater2.sifz, try to open it
10:23 < pabs3> heh, yay typos
10:23 < KiBi> :-)
10:24 < genete> ulrik: I've opened it. Let me check if everything exists
10:25 < ulrik> you did? :O 
10:26 < genete> At the canvases dialog there are three exported canvases: jellyfish, jelly1, aborre
10:26 < ulrik> yes that's right, the discus is not there, but it is exported as well, strange..
10:26 < ulrik> can you see the discus?
10:27 < genete> yeah
10:27 < genete> it is not exported
10:27 < ulrik> great
10:27 < ulrik> not?
10:29 < ulrik> well then, it's working but i'm still very confused
10:29 < genete> the disc fish was never exported
10:30 < ulrik> hmm...but i get the message in terminal that it can't open the "discus_fisk"
10:31 < genete> http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/Genete/shot.png
10:31 < genete> ulrik: do you have open errors with the file you sent to me?
10:31 < ulrik> hehe...thank you genete for all help!!
10:32 < ulrik> no
10:32 < genete> thanks you for the shared file!!!
10:32 < ulrik> only if i move the files to another directory, i tried to have on the desktop and then i get this errors
10:33 < ulrik> you're welcome!
10:33 < genete> you cannot change the relative path
10:33 < genete> :)
10:33 < ulrik> but i moved all the files to the desktop
10:34 < genete> let me try
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10:36 < genete> I've placed them into my Desktop and still being open-able
10:37 < genete> I've moved the files so it is not reading the original ones
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10:43 < ulrik> genete: you mean it's possible to open the main file without the othere sifz files?
10:43 < ulrik> other
10:43 < genete> let me check
10:48 < genete> jellyfich.syfz is the only one that is not needed by the underwater2.sifz file
10:48 < genete> you can delete it and the file sitll opening
10:49 < ulrik> ok, thanks!
10:49 < genete> the other two are path/name dependent
10:49 < ulrik> ok, i see
10:50 < ulrik> pxegeek: the other "underwater" file is here: http://www.musikboden.se/synfigfiles/underwater.zip
10:51 < genete> ulrik: supernice music by the way! is it completely yours?
10:51 < ulrik> thank you, yes it's mine
10:53 < ulrik> btw, the demo we made is here: http://www.hugosorkester.se/page2/page2.html it's all my music
10:54 < genete> can I use some of them to my own proyects?
10:54 < genete> s/some/any
10:54 < ulrik> sure
10:55 < genete> wow! love them! 
10:55 < genete> I'm smiling :)
10:55 < genete> funny!!1
10:55 < genete> :D
10:55 < ulrik> i'm glad you like them!  :) 
11:08 < genete> ulrik: I'm working on fire simulation
11:09 < ulrik> yeah, can i see?
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11:23 < genete> phone, sorry
11:24 < rore> argh, I can't seem to "sew" something correctly, when there's no border but only regions 
11:24 < rore> see http://rore.dyndns.org/rore/synfig/thin_white_line.sifz - there's always a tiny gap between the shapes
11:25 < rore> (or http://rore.dyndns.org/rore/synfig/thin_white_line.png )
11:28 < genete> rore: I think it is a render bug
11:30 < genete> ulrik: http://www.darthfurby.com/genete/synfig/fire.sifz for free use for anyone :)
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12:02  * genete is away: Estoy ocupado
12:40  * genete is back (gone 00:37:14)
12:40 < genete> hey! has anyone opened the fire sifz sample?
12:43 < genete> I't takes more than 1 hour to render 1 second at high quality and standard size... :-\
12:47 < timonator> which one?
12:48 < genete> ulrik: http://www.darthfurby.com/genete/synfig/fire.sifz for free use for anyone :)
12:48  * timonator looks
12:49 < timonator> holy hell
12:50 < genete> timonator: do you think it is realistic?
12:55 < timonator> well, it does look good
12:55 < timonator> if you want to make fire, sit in front of the chimney first
12:56 < genete> I haven't ... 
12:56 < timonator> i recently have
12:56 < genete> please upload your synfig fire trial...
12:56 < genete> ;)
12:57 < genete> it was very difficult to achieve the fire result but I think I have something usable.
12:59 < timonator> heh
13:07  * genete is away: Estoy ocupado
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13:51 < rore> genete: heh ... I only rendered a preview of the fire, and it was already rather slow to render 
13:52 < rore> Maybe that fire is sligthly too yellow, but hm... I guess that depends on what's burning 
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16:03 < joodie> when I duplicate a combined layer containing an image the copy doesn't show the image.
16:04 < joodie> if I then copy the image layer itself and paste it in the copy of the combined layer it works. but it's kind of annoying
16:04 < joodie> (image = png image)
17:32 < pxegeek> joodie - can you enter this as a bug in tracker?  I saw this last night as well.  
17:32 < pxegeek> Interstingly, I ended up doing the same workaround as you!
17:33 < joodie> sure.
17:33 < joodie> I'll put it in the tracker.
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17:46 < KiBi> pabs3: Here we go, x86-32!
17:51 < factor> what is that image on the top row has a pencil on it.
17:51 < factor> :P
17:51 < factor> wonder if anyone knows what a floppy disk is
17:51 < factor> anymore
17:52 < factor> I was going to say it needs to be a picture of a hard drive, but ssd(solid state device flash hard drives) are coming along pretty quick
17:53 < factor> it would have to be a file cabinet or something.
18:10 < rore> off course people knows what a floppy disk is. It's the name of the little icon to save file, isn't it? :D
18:11 < factor> heh
18:11 < rore> (my mother still uses floppys, and she stores them close to the PC speakers.... >_< ) 
18:17 < factor> heh
18:17 < factor> afk
18:19 < pxegeek> What's a file cabinet?
18:19 < pxegeek> ;)
18:28 < factor> ppsft
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18:36 < pxegeek> Hey Ulrik!
18:37 < ulrik> hi pxegeek!
18:37 < pxegeek> owner of the magic discus fish!
18:37 < ulrik> did you get my files?
18:37 < pxegeek> I saw you posted them - haven't downloaded them yet
18:37 < pxegeek> Will do right now.
18:38 < ulrik> yes the magic discus :D 
18:38 < ulrik> strange file, or strange ulrik? i don't know :)
18:42 < pxegeek> I've had cases where I thought I'd imported a pointer to a file, only to find I'd copied the whole thing in instead.
18:45 < ulrik> hehe
18:50 < ulrik> pxegeek: let me know if you have any problems with the files
18:50 < pxegeek> opening them now
18:50 < ulrik> :P 
19:40 < pxegeek> Hey Ulrik - what's swedish for autumnclip?
19:42 < pxegeek> I'm guessing it must be fa??gelfot.png
19:43 < pxegeek> Hmm... I can't get the right hand picture....  
19:44 < pxegeek> I'm guessing you had the three pictures in a different folder on your harddrive?  
19:44 < pxegeek> I've corrected the locations for the lefthand and rear pictures, but can't fix the right hand....
19:46 < pxegeek> Hmmm.... I don't know what fa??gelfot.png is but I don't remember seeing it in you video before....
20:17 < factor> how do I get a unfilled circle
20:17 < factor> just an outline
20:19 < ulrik> pxegeek: f?gelfot has an unusall letter only used in swedish, norweigan and danish, you can try and rename the image file, and yes that is the right hand image
20:20 < ulrik> pxegeek: autumnclip in swedish,=  h?stfragment
20:28 < pxegeek> Got it - OK we're set.
20:30 < pxegeek> factor - draw a large black circle then a slightly smaller white circle
20:32 < factor> was thinking that I just sketched it
20:33 < factor> just needing a base circle to draw a bline
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21:21 < genete> factor: still there?
21:22 < genete> hi all!
21:22 < genete> yo have an unfilled circle you should make an alpha over of other smaller circle over it.
21:22 < genete> s/yo/to
21:23 < genete> if you want a unfilled circle of thickness = delta then make two filles circles: one with radious R and other with radious R-delta
21:24 < genete> link its centers and composite the smaller with an alpha over blending mode. It would produce an unfilled circle
21:25 < genete> place the smaller on top of the bigger...
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22:17 < factor> sorry fell asleep
22:18 < factor> yeah I did an alpha too
22:18 < factor> I just went and used th sketch pad
22:18 < genete> nice
22:18 < factor> not a perfect circle with my my mouse but good enough
22:18 < factor> :D
22:18 < factor> trying to do some Manga trees types
22:19 < genete> have something to show?
22:19 < factor> no fell asleep
22:19 < factor> :D
22:19 < factor> still just a sketch
22:20 < genete> I'm working on realistic fire
22:20 < genete> http://www.darthfurby.com/genete/synfig/fire.avi
22:21 < factor> nice I will do one on exploding stuff as well
22:21 < genete> the file to make the fire is posted in the logs. You can use it if you like
22:22 < factor> cool
22:22 < factor> I like it
22:22 < factor> looks good
22:23 < genete> It has some paramters to play with to achieve different kind of fires.
22:23 < factor> sweet
22:23 < factor> always fun
22:23 < genete> yeah
22:24 < genete> synfig is the satisfying animation program in the world!!
22:25 < genete> the most*
22:25 < factor> heh
22:25 < factor> good for anime style gfx too
22:25 < genete> please when have something done please paste it here...
22:25 < factor> just doing stills right now until I get it down
22:29 < factor> this one was my first one. I have a better version of it not uploaded though
22:29 < factor> https://www.userspace.org/images_orig/Synfigureine.png
22:29 < factor> did that on turkeyday
22:29 < factor> still has the test lines in it
22:30 < factor> bug going to do some howtos Manga style
22:30 < genete> Ah yes, I remember her.
22:30 < genete> cool
22:30 < genete> would like to see you making wiki pages
22:30 < factor> know how to do facial features now
22:30 < factor> we will see
22:30 < genete> :)
22:31 < factor> trying to do Manga trees right now
22:31 < factor> need a way to make a choopy line for leaves
22:31 < factor> using the ink method see how that works out
22:32 < genete> choopy? cnanot translate it
22:32 < factor> choppy
22:32 < factor> :D
22:32 < factor> leaf look 
22:32 < genete> curly?
22:32 < factor>  /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\
22:32 < genete> ah
22:32 < factor> like that around the edge of the circle
22:33 < genete> ok
22:33 < factor> would be cool to add standard lines like that as well as hatch fill
22:33 < factor> for cartoon effects
22:34 < genete> to produce any effect just create it and set it "Onto the layers you like
22:35 < factor> ok
22:35 < factor> could I make a straight line make it choppy  then make it follow a path or curve
22:36 < genete> could you repeat the question please?
22:36 < factor> heh
22:36 < factor>  /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/
22:36 < factor> do that 
22:36 < factor> then make it follow a path which would be a curve
22:36 < genete> Mmmm
22:36 < factor> warp the line
22:37 < genete> you can try the plant layer
22:37 < factor> without distorting the choppy look
22:37 < genete> it would do something similar
22:37 < factor> how is that wiki how to for it
22:38 < genete> There is only some small wiki for plant layer
22:38 < factor> URL?
22:38 < genete> http://wiki.synfig.com/Layer#Plant
22:40 < factor> humm plant is anactual option
22:42 < factor> messing with it
22:44 < genete> to use plant layer you firts should convert the Vertices list to Bline
22:52 < genete> Something like this? http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/Genete/synfig/leaf.png
22:52 < genete> factor?
22:52 < factor> yup
22:52 < factor> like that
22:52 < factor> how do you do that
22:52 < genete> want the sifz file? :)
22:52 < factor> yup
22:52 < genete> wait
22:53 < genete> I'll upload and then explain how I did it
22:53 < factor> ok
22:53 < genete> http://www.darthfurby.com/genete/synfig/leaf.sifz
22:54 < genete> First make the leaf with a Region layer (green)
22:54 < factor> hum
22:54 < genete> then create a plant layer. Select the Vertices list and convert to Bline (I don't know if really needed but I do it)
22:55 < genete> then modify the parameters to have only one split and about 10 stems per bline portion
22:55 < factor> how do you mod the params
22:55 < genete> set the tangential velocity the same than the perpendicular (it gives a 45 degree lines)
22:56 < genete> then duplicate the plant layer and set the tangential velocity to its negative (it would produce a cross hatch)
22:56 < genete> then increase the stem size as needed.
22:56 < factor> hold on
22:56 < factor> :D
22:56 < genete> factor: to modify the plant just select it and tweak the parameters... 
22:57 < factor> I dont know how to get to the params
22:57 < genete> ?
22:57 < factor> I see the layer window
22:57 < factor> which window do I mod the params
22:58 < genete> http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/Genete/synfig/Pantallazo-LayersChildrenKeyfram-1.png
22:58 < genete> File>Dialogs>Params
22:58 < genete> It will open the params window
22:58 < genete> I cannot live without it!!!
22:59 < factor> way cool
23:00 < genete> http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/Genete/synfig/Tree.png
23:00 < genete> http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/Genete/synfig/plant.png
23:00 < genete> things you can do with plant layer
23:00 < factor> nice
23:00 < factor> that helps out a lot
23:01 < genete> :)
23:01 < factor> I knew had to be an easier way
23:01 < genete> Do I have right when say that synfig is the most satisfying animation program in the world?
23:01 < genete> :)
23:03 < factor> well I like mixing them
23:03 < factor> blender is my fav too
23:03 < factor> have you seen mixing blender with 2d stuff
23:04 < factor> you could make anime 2d animation here and use blender for 3d backgrounds
23:04 < genete> hey! it is just kidding! ;-)
23:04 < factor> but blender cant do 2d animation stuff like this
23:04 < factor> heh
23:04 < genete> ;)
23:05 < genete> well I like synfig very much but know it have its limitations...
23:05 < genete> has
23:07 < factor> but both blender and synfig can work together very well
23:08 < genete> http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/Genete/synfig/leaf2.png
23:08 < genete> You can change the stem thickness using alpha and "SizeAsAlpha" set to on.
23:08 < factor> ok
23:09 < genete> there is a draw back. 
23:09 < genete> to get the spacing similar you would maintain the bline segments more or less the same lenght. I hope some day it is not bline segment dependent.
23:16 < factor> still getting the hang of it pretty neat
23:18 < factor> I see what you mean
23:18 < factor> it is bline dependant
23:18 < factor> still ok though
23:23 < factor> genete your plant has different options than mine
23:23 < genete> could you paste a screen shot of your param dialog?
23:23 < factor> hold on see if I can mess with it a bit
23:24 < genete> factor: Do you like viruses ?   http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/Genete/synfig/virus.png
23:24 < factor> that was with synfig
23:25 < genete> yes, all done with synfig
23:25 < factor> nice 
23:25 < genete> four layers including the background
23:26 < factor> very good indeed
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23:26 < genete> want to see the sifz file?
23:27 < genete> http://www.darthfurby.com/genete/synfig/virus.sifz
23:29 < factor> cool
23:29 < genete> Do I have right when say that synfig is the most satisfying animation program in the world? ;)
23:29 < factor> I finally got the right amount for the tree look 
23:29 < factor> now to see if I can implement it
23:29 < factor> heh
23:29 < genete> please!
23:29 < genete> do it!
23:29 < genete> :)
23:31 < factor> I dont seem to be able to move the plant object just moves the leaves
23:31 < factor> one dot
23:31 < factor> how to i transpose the bject to a new location
23:32 < genete> the plant layer?
23:32 < factor> yes
23:32 < genete> but in animation mode or editing mode?
23:33 < factor> add a translate layer to it
23:35 < factor> have to start over
23:36 < genete> if it is only a single layer what you're translating you can do it using Origin paramter.
23:36 < factor> yes found that
23:37 < factor> but I cant get it to follow my bline
23:37 < factor> every time I create a plant it looks the same shape
23:37 < factor> I want it to follow my bline
23:38 < factor> I have the bline and plant layer encapsulated
23:38 < factor> but it does not look like the bline I made
23:38 < genete> select the plant layer and the bline at the same time and then select the vertices list parameter (will be greyed) and right click and link
23:38 < factor> humm lets see
23:38 < genete> it would make the plant follow the bline
23:39 < factor> cool
23:39 < factor> worked 
23:39 < factor> but is backwards
23:39 < factor> do I swap layers position
23:45 < genete> how does it looks?
23:45 < factor> getting it
23:45 < factor> :Dhave a new plant layer so have to give it the cartoon look
23:46 < factor> looks good though
23:46 < factor> thanks for the help
23:46 < genete> any link to watch?
23:46 < genete> :)
23:46 < factor> not yet
23:46 < genete> :/
23:47 < factor> chanign the params to get the right look
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23:58 < factor> does synfig have a way to copy over params 
23:59 < factor> my layer dissapear too in the layers menu
23:59 < genete> what means "copy over".. .sorry but my english is limited
23:59 < factor> humm
23:59 < factor> let me see hold on
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