--- Log opened Thu Jan 03 00:00:12 2008 --- Day changed Thu Jan 03 2008 00:00 < dooglus> hi ulrik! happy new year to you too, and a happy thursday too. 00:00 < ulrik> genete: how is the particle experiments going? 00:00 < genete> hi ulrik! quite well! 00:00 < genete> did you see the free floating one? 00:00 < dooglus> ulrik: great! http://www.darthfurby.com/genete/synfig/particle-template-new6-sample.avi 00:01 < ulrik> dooglus: to you too, i've seen you have been working a lot lately! 00:01 < genete> (thanks dooglus ) 00:01 < dooglus> ulrik: no, I just only recently got back online and was able to upload the work I had been saving up 00:01 < dmacks> dooglus: When I -avoid-version in mod_noise/Makefile.am, I get libmod_noise.so, when I do not -avoid-version, I also get libmod_noise.0.0.0.so and libmod_noise.0.so 00:01 < ulrik> i see, well that's quit a lot!! 00:02 < ulrik> ohhh, the particle dev is cool!! 00:02 < genete> don't be modest dooglus ! latests conversions types have been great! 00:02 < ulrik> is this possible to do with the latest r? 00:03 < ulrik> i mean the avi you made genete? 00:03 < ulrik> I guess it's a lot of mathematics involved in this, right? 00:03 < genete> you need ten versions before current one more or less... 00:04 < dooglus> genete: the current version is ok too though, right? 00:04 < dooglus> dmacks: strange. I wonder why I still see the numbered files 00:04 < genete> I think so becasue you have not introduced nothing to convert types. 00:04 < dooglus> dmacks: I moved the installed modules directory away and it was recreated 00:05 < ulrik> ten before this latest? uhhh, i just build the latest 00:05 < dmacks> All the numbered links were still created with -avoid-version? 00:05 < genete> ulrik: yes, a lot of maths and also a lot of time loop conversions 00:05 < genete> the latests is ok ulrik. In fact I'm out of date. 00:05 < ulrik> genete: i see, will you write a tutorial for this kind of animathics? 00:06 < ulrik> :) 00:06 < genete> ulrik: for sure! 00:06 < ulrik> cool! :D 00:06 < genete> I'm svn r1257 now 00:06 < genete> but want to finish it copletely before. 00:06 < ulrik> that's what i have too 00:06 < genete> needs some polishing 00:06 < genete> I'll upload the sample file.... 00:07 < ulrik> nice 00:07 < ulrik> yet another christmas 00:09 < MangoFusion> i'm surprised nobody made a synfigclaus! ;) 00:10 < dooglus> dmacks: seems I didn't 'make clean', and so the change wasn't used... 00:11 < dmacks> d'oh:/ It's an easy enough tweak to edit Makefile itself there. 00:11 < ulrik> mangofusion: ;) 00:11 < ulrik> mangofusion: do you have synfig installed on you leopard os? 00:12 < genete> ulrik: link to the sifz: http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=56#56 00:12 < genete> read the previous post in the forum to play with some of the parameters. 00:13 -!- xerakko_ [n=Miguel@31.pool85-60-36.dynamic.orange.es] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 00:13 < ulrik> genete: thanks, yes i will! 00:13 < genete> Take account that the ball animation is color change and it has a duration of 4s. If you change the lifetime to a different number you should change also the ball animation. But need to to to one of the particles and then duplicate. 00:14 < genete> I think you'll understand the parameters better than pxegeek... ;) 00:15 < ulrik> hmmm...you have high thoughts of me 00:15 < ulrik> :) 00:16 < genete> the params are the same than in Anime Studio... 00:16 < ulrik> yes, that's true 00:16 < ulrik> makes it a bit easier 00:17 < genete> (I don't know why the green cicle is offset to the right) the particles should be shot form the center... (?) 00:17 < genete> (or the particles offset to the left) 00:22 < ulrik> this is cool 00:22 < genete> he he, it is neat eh? 00:22 < genete> the insides of the layer is so complicated so don't try to understand it. 00:23 < genete> only play with the params 00:23 < ulrik> no i will not try to understand it..hehe 00:27 < ulrik> dooglus: great improvements with the preview parameter settings!! 00:30 < dooglus> ulrik: I think the labels help - 1 and 10 don't mean much on their own 00:31 < ulrik> right! 00:32 < CIA-37> synfig: dooglus * r1260 / (2 files in 2 dirs): Missed these two in the previous commit. 00:32 < CIA-37> synfig: dooglus * r1261 /synfig-core/trunk/src/modules/ (22 files in 22 dirs): Fix 1862699: Specify "-avoid-version" for each of the modules. Fix by Daniel Macks. 00:58 < pabs3> dooglus: N_() means mark for translation but don't call gettext to translate at runtime 01:01 < MangoFusion> now this is odd, i plonked two circles on my canvas and it takes round about 3 seconds to re-render every time i move one of them 01:01 < MangoFusion> i'm sure it didn't take that long before =/ 01:02 < MangoFusion> hmm now it seems to go quicker depending on where i move it 01:03 < MangoFusion> aha i forgot that darn single thread option 01:03 < MangoFusion> ;) 01:06 < ulrik> MangoFusion: do you use leopard? 01:07 < MangoFusion> yep 01:07 < MangoFusion> just compiled the x11 version 01:07 < MangoFusion> and now i'm running it on my nifty nokia tablet using x11 forwarding 01:07 < MangoFusion> (eek, a bit slow) 01:07 < MangoFusion> ;) 01:08 < ulrik> I have big problems with just the long render times 01:08 < ulrik> on tiger it works great 01:08 < MangoFusion> i selected the option to only use a single cpu / thread 01:08 < MangoFusion> and it seems to have improved significantly 01:08 < ulrik> but i read something about a memory leak in core image on leopard 01:08 < MangoFusion> though i haven't tried any complex scenes 01:09 < MangoFusion> are you talking about the non-x11 version? 01:09 < ulrik> if i use single thread on leopard i have to be careful otherwise x11 get hickups 01:09 < ulrik> no, the x11 version 01:10 < ulrik> i don't know if it uses the coreimage? 01:10 < genete> http://www.darthfurby.com/genete/synfig/particle-template-new7sample.avi 01:10 < pabs3> awesome genete 01:11 < genete> the first particles on looks a little strange. 01:11 < genete> but the second is ok. 01:11 < genete> thanks pabs3 :) 01:11 < MangoFusion> no idea what apple's x11 uses 01:11 < ulrik> yeah, nice, you've got on off working 01:11 < genete> I'll post it on the forum 01:12 < genete> tomorrow I'll work on the wiki 8) 01:12 < ulrik> :) 01:13 < genete> dooglus: wehn using particles the file size increases a lot... We need the Dup layer!!!! :) 01:15 -!- wampampa [n=jan@dyndsl-085-016-237-166.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #synfig 01:16 < pabs3> hmm, I think this must be a record for number of people in the channel! welcome wampampa :) 01:17 < genete> http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=57#57 link to the on/off file. There are some internal changes 01:17 < genete> (good signal see the IRC so crowded) :) 01:17 < dooglus> pabs3: why would you mark the string for translation if it doesn't get translated? 01:20 < genete> dooglus, pabs3: have any idea why I cannot run studio using spanish language? since some commits ago I cannot run it if I don't add LC_ALL=C before synfigstudio. 01:20 < genete> and I've reverted to a the previous commit since my spanish translation of synfig and does the same (don't work) 01:22 < dooglus> genete: do you have a debug build? 01:22 < genete> :( 01:23 < dooglus> oh, we tried that didn't we? using gdb to trace where the exception was being thrown 01:23 < pabs3> dooglus: because you call gettext later. read up the gettext manual linked from the translation page 01:24 < dooglus> pabs3: oh, I see - layer.cpp's INCLUDE_LAYER() does it 01:24 < genete> dooglus: yes we tried it. But don't remember wht did you do with gdb. 01:25 < dooglus> genete: I don't think it told me anything useful. I'll try to reproduce the problem here. 01:25 -!- MangoFusion [n=jamesu@host86-150-118-47.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit ["ttg"] 01:25 < genete> ok 01:25 < pabs3> I think this bug that genete found should be fixed before we release another version. need to update http://www.synfig.org/Roadmap too 01:26 * genete is sure dooglus cannot reproduce it becasue it seems to be a Genete's bug type... 01:26 < genete> :( 01:26 < dooglus> how do I generate a Spanish locale on a debian system? 01:26 < pabs3> dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales 01:26 * genete guesses that the problem should be solved when studio were translated... 01:28 < dooglus> pabs3: that regenerates english and czech - but not spanish 01:29 < pabs3> hmm. it works for me - didn't you have this issue before - not being able to add new locales? 01:29 < dooglus> I did. I ended up using czech, which I already had installed 01:31 < genete> dooglus: I think you should run gnome-language-selector (or its xcf equivalent) and then enable spanish. It would download a package. 01:31 < genete> I have spanish and english enabled 01:33 < pabs3> dooglus: try editing /etc/locale.gen and reconfiguring locales 01:36 < dooglus> I don't have an /etc/locale.gen. I have /etc/locale.alias (this is ubuntu 7.10) 01:37 < pabs3> ah 01:37 < pabs3> take a look at /var/lib/dpkg/info/locales.config and see what it is doing 01:37 < pabs3> or /var/lib/dpkg/info/locales.postinst 01:38 < dooglus> it's doing: if [ "$1" = configure ]; then /usr/sbin/locale-gen 01:40 < dooglus> looks like /usr/share/locales/install-language-pack is what I need 01:41 < dooglus> so what environment variable do I need to set to make studio use Spanish translation? 01:44 < pabs3> I would think LANG=es_ES.UTF-8 synfigstudio 01:46 < dooglus> I made a new user, told gdm to use 'spanish' and logged in as that user. 01:46 < dooglus> studio still appears in english though 01:46 < genete> studio is not translated yet 01:47 < dooglus> he has LANG=es_ES 01:47 < dooglus> genete: what do you have LANG set to? 01:48 < genete> how can I know it? 01:48 < genete> echo $LANG$? 01:49 < genete> it gives: es_ES.UTF-8s 01:50 < dooglus> echo $LANG 01:51 < dooglus> ah, I have nothing in /share/locale/ other than directories 01:51 < dooglus> there should presumably be some files 01:51 < genete> yeah! it gives: es_ES.UTF-8s 01:53 < dooglus> do I need to follow the translator's guidelines on the wiki to use a translation? 01:56 < KiBi> BTW, if you want to know someone's locale-related stuff, ask that person to paste the output of "locale" to a nopaste-site. 01:56 < dooglus> ok 01:57 < KiBi> dooglus: The difference between es_ES and es_ES.UTF-8 in $LANG shouldn't bite you. 01:58 < KiBi> It's about charset assumptions, but that shouldn't prevent you from seeing a Spanish translation if you are in es_ES.UTF-8 instead of es_ES, or the other way round. 01:58 < dooglus> KiBi: I'm not getting the translated strings installed 01:58 < dooglus> KiBi: it is finding the directory where they should be installed, but the directory is empty 01:58 < KiBi> I saw that afterwards, just finishing my LIFO backlog reading ;) 01:59 < KiBi> Maybe i18n/l10n was disabled at configure-time? 01:59 < dooglus> I need something to install synfig-core/po/es.po into the prefix/share/locale/... 01:59 < genete> http://pastebin.com/m637086b3 my locales 01:59 < KiBi> dooglus: Actually, the usual step is to run msgfmt on the .po, get an .gmo and install it there. 02:00 < genete> thanks for the researches on the LANG problem. Night all. :) 02:00 < dooglus> KiBi: I would expect the build process to take care of all that kind of thing wouldn't I? 02:00 < KiBi> Sure 02:01 -!- genete [n=Genete@84.122.43.60.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit ["Abandonando"] 02:02 < KiBi> hmm, no trace of locale stuff in 0.61.07 build log, I guess translation work started after that one. 02:04 < KiBi> dooglus: Are you on amd64? 02:04 < pabs3> KiBi: aye, only in SVN so far 02:05 * pabs3 pokes autopoint in the eye 02:05 -!- wampampa [n=jan@dyndsl-085-016-237-166.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has left #synfig [] 02:05 < KiBi> :) 02:16 < dooglus> KiBi: no, I'm not 02:16 < KiBi> Could you share your config.log? 02:17 < dooglus> pabs3: is there something I need to do to get spanish translations installed? 02:17 < dooglus> pabs3: other than following the Build_Instructions ? 02:18 < pabs3> I can reproduce genete's bug 02:19 < pabs3> dooglus: shouldn't need to. be sure you have gettext installed 02:29 < KiBi> Hmm, looks like I'm running out of Prison Break :( 02:30 * pabs3 laments firefly 02:32 < dooglus> KiBi: I ran out about a month ago 02:32 < KiBi> Like in nocturnal beetle? :) 02:32 < KiBi> (nah, I just googled) 02:33 < KiBi> Hm, I'm wondering how many of the 3rd season got broadcasted yet. 02:34 < dooglus> KiBi: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Prison_Break_episodes 02:34 < dooglus> (8) 02:34 < KiBi> Oh nice, thanks. 02:34 < KiBi> I read the French pages yesterday, dummy me. 02:37 < dooglus> interesting - the french pages have the names of future episodes 02:39 < KiBi> I don't like to get spoiled so I didn't read every detail. 02:39 < KiBi> :) 02:42 < KiBi> http://www.technovelty.org/humor/24.html <-- AHAHAHAHA 02:56 < KiBi> Ah, there. /me moans :) 03:14 < dooglus> pabs3: I found what was going wrong: 03:14 < dooglus> chris@trpaslik:~/programs/synfig/git/synfig-core/trunk/po$ make install 03:14 < dooglus> /bin/sh ../config/mkinstalldirs /home/chris/programs/synfig/git/install/share 03:14 < dooglus> /usr/bin/install: cannot stat `./es.gmo': No such file or directory 03:14 < dooglus> installing ./es.gmo as /home/chris/programs/synfig/git/install/share/locale/es/LC_MESSAGES/synfig.mo 03:15 < dooglus> I did "rm synfig.pot" and then 'make install' started working 03:17 < dooglus> having done that, "LC_ALL=es_ES synfigstudio" is enough to cause the bug genete is seeing 03:17 < CIA-37> synfig: dooglus * r1262 /synfig-core/trunk/src/synfig/Makefile.am: Fix 1862720: "libltdl library and headers out of sync" - applied patch by Daniel Macks. 03:17 < KiBi> I didn't read it all, but atoi troubles or so? 03:17 < KiBi> (Quite common when it comes to locale stuff) 03:18 < dooglus> I think some timestamp was made saying "we've generated the .gmo file" before the translation was ready? 03:22 < pabs3> GLib Exception: Error en la l?nea 1, car?cter 2851: El documento termina inesperadamente dentro de la etiqueta de cierre del elemento <> 03:22 < pabs3> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'Glib::MarkupError' 03:22 < pabs3> ^^ after commenting out the exception catchers 03:23 < dooglus> I think gtkmm/dock_layers.cpp line 130 is causing the exception 03:24 < dooglus> this is the string that's causing the problem: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/ui.txt 03:26 < dooglus> formatted: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/ui2.txt 03:28 < dooglus> "The paper ends unexpectedly in the label Closing element 03:28 < dooglus> " 03:37 -!- Yoyobuae [n=quete@201.224.135.156] has joined #synfig 03:38 < Yoyobuae> hi 03:38 < dooglus> pabs3: looks like src/synfig/module.h needs to call dgettext() when registering modules 03:38 < pabs3> dooglus: hmm, some of those are translated and some are not 03:39 < pabs3> dooglus: IIRC it used to but that caused crashes? 03:39 < Yoyobuae> what codec does genete's AVI examples use? 03:40 < Yoyobuae> i cant see them properly 03:42 < dooglus> mplayer tells me: VIDEO: [mpg1] 480x272 24bpp 24.000 fps 233.5 kbps (28.5 kbyte/s) 03:42 < dooglus> Opening video decoder: [libmpeg2] MPEG 1/2 Video decoder libmpeg2-v0.4.0b 03:42 < dooglus> Selected video codec: [mpeg12] vfm: libmpeg2 (MPEG-1 or 2 (libmpeg2)) 03:42 < pabs3> vlc says MPEG-1 03:42 < dooglus> (that's for particle-template-new6-sample.avi) 03:46 < Yoyobuae> hmm, my media player classic tries to render the video 03:46 < Yoyobuae> but shows weird noise only XD 04:01 < pabs3> aww, we missed this week's LWN 04:06 < KiBi> Ah nice, -avoid-version. 04:42 < dooglus> pabs3: some of them are translated (the built in layers) and some are not (the layers defined in modules) 04:42 < dooglus> pabs3: translating them all doesn't fix the problem 04:42 < dooglus> pabs3: translating all the "local name" fields and none of the "category" fields does 04:42 < dooglus> I'm seeing a lot of "Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text()" warnings 04:43 < dooglus> I imagine it's an invalid UTF-8 string in a translated category name that's causing the bug, too 04:57 < KiBi> You could check the validity using iconv on that file. 06:29 -!- dmacks [n=dmacks@pdpc/supporter/active/dmacks] has quit ["leaving"] 06:32 -!- omry [n=omry@bzq-84-108-20-56.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 06:33 -!- omry [n=omry@bzq-84-108-20-56.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #synfig 06:50 < pxegeek> pabs - I tweaked the http://www.synfig.com/download/ page as the download link wasn't clickable within the /div 06:50 -!- Yoyobuae [n=quete@201.224.135.156] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:50 < pabs3> pxegeek: thanks, I forgot about that 06:54 < pxegeek> So - if I reboot my PC with language set to spanish, I should see synfig core in spanish, right? 06:54 < pxegeek> Anyone taking bets? 06:54 < pxegeek> ;) 06:56 -!- pxegeek [n=chatzill@c-71-59-140-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 06:57 -!- ZanQdo [n=Daniel@201.201.2.22] has joined #synfig 07:30 -!- pxegeek [n=chatzill@c-71-59-140-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #synfig 07:38 < pxegeek> ?Hola! Soy Pxegeek. 07:38 < pxegeek> Well, almost. 07:40 < pxegeek> XP doesn?t quite believe I?m spanish, but my Wacom tablet is giving me ?Propriedades de la tableta Wacom? 07:40 < pxegeek> Maybe enough to convince Synfig once genete gets studio converted 08:24 -!- pxegeek [n=chatzill@c-71-59-140-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 11:44 -!- genete [n=Genete@84.122.43.60.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #synfig 11:45 < genete> hey! I think you are close to kill the spanish translation bug, dooglus! 11:46 < genete> To everyone: where should I place a wiki page that explain how to use the particle template? 12:29 -!- MangoFusion [n=jamesu@host86-150-118-47.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #synfig 12:29 < MangoFusion> mornin' 12:29 < MangoFusion> hmm, anyone know how to get rid of sketch lines? 12:39 < dooglus> MangoFusion: you can clear the sketch, turn the sketch off, or undo the last stroke(s). I don't think a real 'random access' delete is implemented - there's no way of selecting which stroke to delete is there? no ducks or undo history 12:40 < MangoFusion> nope 12:40 < MangoFusion> ah clear it? 12:40 < dooglus> pxegeek: in studio, you should see the list of layers in spanish 12:40 < dooglus> MangoFusion: in the tool options? 12:41 < MangoFusion> ah yes i see 12:41 < MangoFusion> didn't notice that, haha 12:43 -!- ulrik [n=ulrikbod@213-65-95-57-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has quit ["bye! http://www.musikboden.se"] 12:45 < dooglus> you can load and save sketches too. they're saved in their own format in their own files, independantly of .sif(z) files 12:46 -!- Ceox [n=Ceox@dsl-hkigw8-fe19f800-157.dhcp.inet.fi] has joined #synfig 12:46 < dooglus> hi Ceox 12:46 < Ceox> heyall 12:46 < Ceox> whats this new smoke thing? 12:46 < Ceox> is it something new in Synfig? 12:46 < MangoFusion> interesting 12:46 < dooglus> genete is working on various "particle" animations 12:47 < dooglus> with hundreds of layers moving randomly 12:47 < Ceox> ok 12:47 < MangoFusion> in any case, i was just playing about and sketching lines in ;) 12:47 < dooglus> "smoke" is an example of such an animation 12:47 < Ceox> how do you random in synfig? 12:48 < dooglus> here's an example of genete's smoke: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9EDol07WLE 12:49 < dooglus> to make a parameter of a layer random, you right-click on the parameter, then 'convert', then 'random' 12:49 < Ceox> ok 12:52 < genete> hi Ceox! see this one too: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpUBrWc36tQ 12:52 < dooglus> oh, hi genete. I thought you weren't here :) 12:52 < genete> Ceox: lots of math stuff also ;) 12:52 < genete> hi dooglus! 12:53 < genete> I thought you read that: "To everyone: where should I place a wiki page that explain how to use the particle template?" 12:53 < Ceox> hey genete 12:54 < genete> I still having troubles with particles on/off but I think I'll release this template righ now 12:54 < genete> the free floating thing is working perfectly. :) 12:55 < dooglus> genete: will it be a tutorial, or more basic documentation of the template? 12:56 < genete> I'll not explain how I created a particle template. I'll explain how to USE the particle template and post the template itself for user download 12:58 < genete> Also I would ask you and pabs3 if that template can be packaged into examples folder of synfig-trunk as an particle standard. 12:58 < genete> s/an/a 12:59 < dooglus> genete: I don't see why it shouldn't be 13:00 < dooglus> genete: so long as you're happy having it distributed under the GPL 13:01 < genete> for sure!. I only would like somewhere that says I created that criature. 13:02 < dooglus> creature? like animal? 13:02 < dooglus> creation? 13:02 < genete> lol 13:02 < genete> creature (for the complexity of convert types) ;) 13:02 * dooglus leaves spellcheck mode 13:03 < genete> I would like to license it under GPL, yes 13:03 < genete> what should I do? 13:11 < dooglus> I don't know, technically, what needs doing. 13:11 < dooglus> I know that for my contributions to some FSF projects I've had to sign legal documents assigning my copyright to the FSF 13:11 < dooglus> but I've not done anything like that for my synfig contributions 13:12 < dooglus> so I guess just you saying that you want it GPL licensed is enough 13:12 < genete> maybe I can say at metadata that the template was made by me and that it is published under GPL license 13:14 < genete> BTW it is not possible to remove or modify metadata entries... only create new ones. 13:14 < genete> I think that's a bug. 13:30 < MangoFusion> btw genete, i noticed your head turn test animation the other day 13:30 < MangoFusion> did you use any special layers to achieve the rotation effect, or was it mostly hand animated? 13:31 < genete> I can share the sifz file. Only point animation and proper use of keyframes. 13:32 < MangoFusion> ah right 13:32 -!- Ceox [n=Ceox@dsl-hkigw8-fe19f800-157.dhcp.inet.fi] has left #synfig [] 13:32 < MangoFusion> was thinking you had some 3d transform layer or something ;) 13:32 < dooglus> genete: I just took screenshots of the 9 'new layer' sub-menus: http://synfig.org/Layer_Menu 13:32 < dooglus> genete: notice the new 'Duplicate' layer in the 'Other' group? 13:33 < dooglus> (I wanted a record of how the menu looks in English, because some of the layers move around when I switch to Spanish) 13:34 < genete> he, what? alrwady done? when? where? 13:34 < genete> yuuppie! 13:35 < genete> what commit? 8O 13:35 < dooglus> it's not written yet :) it's not even designed in my head yet. 13:35 < dooglus> it's just a copy of 'motion blur', renamed... it has a single parameter called 'aperture' 13:36 < genete> but why is at the wiki then? 13:36 < dooglus> because the layer is in my local version that I used to take the snapshots 13:36 < genete> aaaah :( 13:36 < dooglus> it'll be in synfig eventually, so the snapshots are OK I guess 13:37 < dooglus> I think 'motion blur' is a good place to start, because motion blur works by rendering the layers under it multiple times and combining them 13:37 < dooglus> it's really quite similar to what 'duplicate' will do 13:37 -!- ZanQdo [n=Daniel@201.201.2.22] has quit ["Adios"] 13:37 < genete> yes it is 13:37 < dooglus> except that it only adjusts the current time, rather than some 'index' parameter 13:38 < genete> and the amount of the layer 13:38 < dooglus> right 13:38 < genete> MangoFusion: http://www.darthfurby.com/genete/synfig/woman.sifz if you want to have a look. 13:39 < genete> MangoFusion: planning the animation is the most important thing (for exampole pepare the head back region) 13:41 < dooglus> genete: I've tried using the metadata dialog before, and found it didn't work. 13:41 < dooglus> genete: I don't think there's a bug report about it yet 13:42 < dooglus> raise one if you like - it'll help me remember to look at it 13:42 < genete> for sure. For the moment I've edited the sif file with a text editor and changed it to insert the GLP license there. 13:43 < MangoFusion> ah i see what's happening 13:43 < MangoFusion> thanks for the sifz 13:44 < genete> MangoFusion: the eyebrows can be done better if I don't use a single stroke because they need deep morphing when the head turns. With a single stroke is not possible, so it looks a little "strange" at 3/4 13:55 < MangoFusion> interesting to see 13:59 < dooglus> genete: in your youtube video, you wrote "dumping force" instead of "damping force" 13:59 < genete> oops! 14:00 < genete> I'll change it. Thanks dooglus 14:01 < genete> done. Also I'll add a link to the wiki when done. 14:03 < dooglus> genete: if you replace the accented 'i' in Geometrķa with a 'regular' i, can you run the spanish interface without it hanging? 14:07 < genete> dooglus: where should I change it? at the es.po file after svn up? 14:07 < dooglus> genete: I'm not familiar with the process of testing new translations. are you? 14:07 < genete> that is not the only one accented word I inserted. 14:08 < genete> I'm not either 14:08 < dooglus> it seems to be the only accented layer category 14:08 < genete> I just created the es.po file and pabs3 did the rest 14:09 < MangoFusion> problem with the file encoding perhaps? 14:09 < genete> I can remove that ? and send the es.po file again to pabs3 as a pathc for a new commit. 14:10 -!- TMM [n=hp@athedsl-178156.home.otenet.gr] has joined #synfig 14:10 < genete> MangoFusion: problems to run synfigstudio under a spanish user under linux. 14:10 < dooglus> I think layer categories are treated specially in studio 14:10 < dooglus> (and probably wrongly?) 14:10 < MangoFusion> ah right 14:11 < dooglus> but you shouldn't spell the word wrong just to get studio to work... 14:11 < dooglus> I got it to run by doing this: 14:11 < dooglus> 1) edit po/es.po 14:11 < genete> it would be only a test to hunt the bug. 14:12 < dooglus> 2) cd po 14:12 < dooglus> 3) rm stamp-po 14:12 < dooglus> 4) make install 14:12 < dooglus> right - it's only a test, so there's no need to send it to pabs3 for putting into svn 14:12 < genete> and it works? 14:12 < dooglus> yes - well, it runs, anyway. 14:12 < genete> I'll test it. 14:12 < dooglus> I see 10 sub-menus instead of the usual 9, which is odd 14:15 < genete> yeah it works. 14:15 < genete> where do you see the 10 sub-menus? 14:16 < dooglus> in layer > new layer 14:16 < dooglus> you might see a lot more if you don't have the most recent svn code built 14:17 < dooglus> so you see both english and spanish versions of the 'geometry' group? 14:17 < genete> yes 14:17 < dooglus> the most recent svn commit fixes that 14:17 < genete> and lots of layers mixed. Displaced where they usually are 14:17 < dooglus> (layers that come from modules weren't having their names or categories translated) 14:18 < dooglus> yes - this mixing up of the categories is why I took those screenshots of the english version 14:18 < dooglus> so I can compare them and see what's changing 14:18 < genete> that means that studio needs urgently a translation? 14:19 < dooglus> no, I don't think so 14:19 < dooglus> all the layer and categories come from core 14:20 < genete> running LANG_ALL=C synfigstudio place all those menu entries at its right place again... 14:22 < dooglus> the new 10th category is "No Usar" 14:22 -!- MangoFusion [n=jamesu@host86-150-118-47.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 14:22 < dooglus> it contains all the layers that shouldn't be shown. I guess the code is comparing the name with "Don't Use" to decide whether to show them or not... 14:25 < genete> I have extra entries: "Desenfoques" (Blurs translation), "Geometria" (Geometry translation), "Otro" (by Other) and "No usar" 14:25 < genete> so I have 13 14:26 < dooglus> genete: I see... these "other names" for the layers are made up by core, with category "Do Not Use" which is translated to "No Usar" 14:27 < dooglus> genete: then studio is checking whether the category is "Do Not Use" - which it isn't - it's "No Usar". 14:27 < dooglus> if studio knew the same translation as core does, it would know not to show that sub-menu 14:28 < dooglus> genete: those other 3 sub-menus are the only sub-menus which contain build-in layers. all the rest come from modules 14:28 < genete> I see 14:28 < dooglus> genete: did you start translating studio yet? 14:28 * genete hides ... 14:29 < dooglus> genete: a .po file with just the translation for "Do Not Use" would be enough to fix this problem 14:29 < dooglus> although, I'm thinking we should store 'generic' and 'local' versions of the category names, just like we do for the layer names 14:29 < dooglus> then this confusion won't happen - and you'll be allowed to have your weird accented i in the menu, too :) 14:30 < genete> hey! 14:31 < dooglus> ha 14:31 < genete> try to translate synfig to Czech! ;) 14:32 -!- omry [n=omry@bzq-84-108-20-56.cablep.bezeqint.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 14:35 < dooglus> genete: all I need to do is mark "Do Not Use" as not needing a translation. 14:35 < dooglus> it's never displayed to the user, so it can stay in English 14:50 < dooglus> genete: svn r1264 should make things better 14:51 < dooglus> genete: you'll still need to not use that accented 'i' though for now 14:51 < dooglus> genete: but you should see the same 9 sub-menus as you see in the english version, but translated 14:51 < genete> ok, I'll update ASAP 14:52 < genete> I'm workin on particles wiki page 14:52 -!- omry [n=omry@bzq-84-108-20-56.cablep.bezeqint.net] has joined #synfig 14:54 < dooglus> genete: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/synfig/spanish-layers.png 14:55 < genete> cool! :) 14:55 < dooglus> (notice how some is in english, and some in spanish - that's because some is coming from studio, and some from core) 14:55 < genete> but the copy/paste is translated to me... because they comes from GTK? 14:56 < dooglus> right. they're Gtk "stock" items 15:02 < CIA-37> synfig: dooglus * r1263 /synfig-core/trunk/src/synfig/module.h: Use translated versions of the layers' local names and categories, like we do for built-in layers. 15:02 < CIA-37> synfig: dooglus * r1264 / (6 files in 3 dirs): 15:02 < CIA-37> synfig: The hardcoded string "Do Not Use" was being used in multiple places as the 15:02 < CIA-37> synfig: category for layers that shouldn't show up in the GUI menus. Replaced it with a 15:02 < CIA-37> synfig: single #define'd string constant. Also, there's no need to translate it, since 15:02 < CIA-37> synfig: the string is never displayed to the user. Previously we were dependent upon 15:02 < CIA-37> synfig: the same translation for the string existing in both core and studio. 15:43 -!- TMM [n=hp@athedsl-178156.home.otenet.gr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:05 -!- MangoFusion [n=jamesu@host86-150-118-47.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #synfig 16:05 -!- MangoFusion [n=jamesu@host86-150-118-47.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 16:06 -!- MangoFusion [n=jamesu@host86-150-118-47.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #synfig 16:09 < genete> dooglus: I cannot build up to date. Core build tells that there is no rule to build the target 'layer_duplicate.cpp' 16:29 -!- xerakko [n=Miguel@debian/developer/xerakko] has joined #synfig 16:41 -!- MangoFusion [n=jamesu@host86-150-118-47.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 16:56 -!- Bombe [n=droden@freenet/developer/Bombe] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 16:56 -!- Bombe [n=droden@freenet/developer/Bombe] has joined #synfig 16:58 < dooglus> genete: oops! 16:58 < genete> ;) 16:59 < genete> don't worry 17:14 < genete> dooglus: particles wiki is mainly done. Where should I put it? 17:15 -!- tokyo [n=alberto@m44.net81-64-112.noos.fr] has joined #synfig 17:34 < genete> http://synfig.org/Particles please feed back needed to know if it properly explained. 17:53 -!- MangoFusion [n=jamesu@host86-150-118-47.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #synfig 18:21 -!- slapin [n=slapin@iap-pxy-mow1.siemens.ru] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 18:22 -!- genete [n=Genete@84.122.43.60.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit ["Abandonando"] 18:22 -!- slapin [n=slapin@iap-pxy-mow1.siemens.ru] has joined #synfig 19:01 -!- tokyo [n=alberto@m44.net81-64-112.noos.fr] has quit ["gg"] 19:29 < dooglus> genete: svn r1265 will build OK. you'll need to autoreconf again, and configure again 19:32 < CIA-37> synfig: dooglus * r1265 /synfig-core/trunk/src/synfig/Makefile.am: Revision r1262 included some changes I didn't intend to commit yet. This reverts them. Revisions r1262 through r1264 don't build. 19:40 -!- MangoFusion [n=jamesu@host86-150-118-47.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 19:49 -!- xerakko [n=Miguel@debian/developer/xerakko] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 19:52 -!- MangoFusion [n=jamesu@host86-150-118-47.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #synfig 20:37 -!- MangoFusion [n=jamesu@host86-150-118-47.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 20:49 -!- MangoFusion [n=jamesu@host86-150-118-47.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #synfig 21:46 -!- MangoFusion [n=jamesu@host86-150-118-47.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 21:50 -!- ZanQdo [n=Daniel@201.201.2.22] has joined #synfig 21:59 -!- MangoFusion [n=jamesu@host86-150-118-47.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #synfig 23:35 < dooglus> someone who understands character encoding in the house? 23:35 < dooglus> po/es.po has these lines: 23:35 < dooglus> msgid "Geometry" 23:35 < dooglus> msgstr "Geometr?a" 23:36 < dooglus> using "od -c" to look at the bytes, I see that the "funny" char is UTF-8 encoded: 23:36 < dooglus> 0064720 m s g s t r " G e o m e t r 303 23:36 < dooglus> 0064740 255 a " \n \n # : s r c / m o d u 23:36 -!- xerakko [n=Miguel@debian/developer/xerakko] has joined #synfig 23:37 < dooglus> C3 AD (or 303 255) is the UTF-8 encoding for that character (0x00ED) 23:38 < dooglus> but if I look at the bytes I'm getting back from dgettext(), I see: 23:38 < dooglus> category 'Geometry' -> 'Geometr?a' : 47 65 6f 6d 65 74 72 ed 61 23:38 < dooglus> ie. a single byte, 0xED, is encoding the 'funny i' 23:42 < MangoFusion> hmm 23:42 < MangoFusion> well UTF-8 is variable length 23:42 < MangoFusion> so it can be one byte 23:43 < MangoFusion> or more 23:43 < MangoFusion> usually up to 3 23:44 < MangoFusion> i suspect 23:44 < MangoFusion> what you are getting back from dgettext 23:44 < MangoFusion> is extended ascii? 23:45 < MangoFusion> hmm ED isn't right, that's something weird 23:46 -!- pabs3 [n=pabs@121.220.225.161] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 23:48 < MangoFusion> must be some other encoding its using 23:49 < MangoFusion> unless 23:49 < MangoFusion> its some error code 23:49 < MangoFusion> though i don't know enough about gettext to establish that 23:57 -!- xerakko [n=Miguel@debian/developer/xerakko] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] --- Log closed Fri Jan 04 00:00:19 2008