--- Log opened Fri Jan 04 00:00:19 2008
--- Day changed Fri Jan 04 2008
00:00 < MangoFusion> i also get C3 AD for ?
00:00 < MangoFusion> which encodes A1
00:03 < dooglus> ED is in the "Latin-1 Supplement" block
00:03 < dooglus> it's "U+00ED LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH ACUTE"
00:04 < dooglus> it encodes ED I think?
00:04 < dooglus> (according to the table in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8#Description )
00:05 < dooglus> (scalar value 00000000 00000yyy yyzzzzzz encodes to 2-byte UTF-8 value 110yyyyy 10zzzzzz
00:05 < MangoFusion> ah right
00:05 < MangoFusion> looking at the wrong table i think ;)
00:06 < dooglus> I have LANGUAGE and LANG set to "es_ES"
00:06 < dooglus> do I need to use "es_ES.UTF" or something?
00:06 < MangoFusion> [?]  U+00CD    &#205;  LATIN CAPITAL LETTER I WITH ACUTE
00:07 < dooglus> strange.  CD not ED
00:07 < MangoFusion> in unicode
00:07 < MangoFusion> i'm not sure what format gettext is using where
00:07 < MangoFusion> that is the source of 99% of all of your problems
00:07 < dooglus> oh, you've got the CAPITAL one
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00:07 < dooglus> I want the SMALL one
00:08 < MangoFusion> haha so i have
00:08 < MangoFusion> darn search
00:08 < genete> hi guys
00:08 < MangoFusion> [?]  U+00ED    &#237;  LATIN SMALL LETTER I WITH ACUTE
00:08 < dooglus> hi genete
00:08 < MangoFusion> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/utf8-t1.html
00:08 < dooglus> I'm still worrying about your crazy letter 'i' :)
00:08 < genete> I'm building now
00:08 < genete> yah, I readed the logs
00:09 < MangoFusion> i recall someone having the same problem with localisation. turns out they saved in the wrong encoding
00:09 < MangoFusion> aaargh
00:09 < MangoFusion> ;)
00:09 < genete> remember we have ?, ?, ?, ?, ? and ? ;)
00:10 < dooglus> genete: I saw "remember we have ?, ?, ?, ?, ? and ? ;)"
00:10 < genete> lol
00:10 < MangoFusion> are we talking spanish here?
00:10 < dooglus> my terminal doesn't seem to be very spanish-friendly :)
00:10 < dooglus> we are
00:10 < dooglus> MangoFusion: specifically: http://pastebin.com/m637086b3
00:10 < MangoFusion> i'm reading all UTF-8 here
00:10 < genete> MangoFusion: did you read it?
00:11 < genete> the accented vocals.
00:11 < MangoFusion> i got gente's message but yours contained only "?"'s in place of the symbols in the quote
00:12 < genete> :(
00:12 < dooglus> I think my problem is I have the es_ES locale generated, but not the es_ES.UTF-8 one
00:12 < dooglus> MangoFusion: I retyped the message using ?'s
00:12 < MangoFusion> (dooglus' quote)
00:12 < MangoFusion> ah right
00:12 < dooglus> MangoFusion: I'll copy/paste.  what do you see now?  "00:09 < genete> remember we have ?, ?, ?, ?, ? and ? ;)"
00:12 < MangoFusion> all of this talk of gettext and encodings is making my head spin
00:12 < MangoFusion> :P
00:13  * genete thinks MangoFusion needs a rest
00:14 < genete> dooglus: I guess his watching the same than you
00:15 < genete> hey! nobody has read my Particles wiki page? Nothing to comment?
00:15 < MangoFusion> http://www.cuppadev.co.uk/2008/01/03/50f.jpg
00:16 < genete> (BTW we have synfig.com being transalted to turkish)
00:16 < genete> MangoFusion: so you see my eccented vocals!
00:16 < genete> s/eccented/accented
00:17 < MangoFusion> yes
00:17 < genete> but you're under Mac...
00:19 < MangoFusion> yes..
00:22 < dooglus> interesting:
00:22 < dooglus> $ LC_ALL=es_ES.UTF-8 sfs 2>/dev/null | grep Geom
00:22 < dooglus> category 'Geometry' -> 'Geometr?-a' : 47 65 6f 6d 65 74 72 c3 ad 61 
00:22 < dooglus> $ LC_ALL=es_ES sfs 2>/dev/null | grep Geom
00:22 < dooglus> category 'Geometry' -> 'Geometr?a' : 47 65 6f 6d 65 74 72 ed 61 
00:22 < dooglus> genete: I didn't read it yet, no.  I went out for a while
00:23 < genete> ok, it doesn't matter. Only want to have some feed back on its usage.
00:25 < dooglus> genete: I've been looking at this spanish problem instead
00:25 < MangoFusion> in any case, good luck :)
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00:26 < genete> it is better. I would see a new release soon and that bug was a road block. I think pabs3 commented it
00:26 < dooglus> genete: for the release we can just use a regular latin 'i' instead I guess
00:27 < genete> for sure. I'm sure nobody would notice it.
00:28 < genete> What should I do to make you or pabs to package my particle template into next release or commit?
00:29 < genete> (supposing that it should be)
00:29 < genete> Maybe under a sourceforge patch request?
00:31 < dooglus> we can just find it on the wiki
00:31 < dooglus> or on your darthfurby page
00:31 < genete> best the wiki
00:31 < genete> That's the released version and have the latests improvements.
00:31 < dooglus> I guess the release won't be too soon anyway
00:31 < dooglus> so you have time to work on it more
00:32 < dooglus> we usually wait a while after the last commit to see if anything new and obvious was broken (like someone adding layer_duplicate.cpp to the makefile!)
00:32 < genete> :)
00:32 < dooglus> (some of the synfig development team is really incompetent...)
00:33 < genete> well, considering the number of members of the synfig development team...
00:33 < genete> ;)
00:34 < genete> dooglus: you have mention to work more on the particles. Do you miss something?
00:35 < genete> I miss the ablity of orient the particles to the trajectory. I've not thought on how to do it yet
00:36 < genete> I think I'm going to make some examples exploring the current design and put them at the wiki.
00:38 < dooglus> genete: I didn't look at it yet at all
00:38 < genete> ok
00:38 < dooglus> genete: all I mean is it there is more to do, you have time.  if it's finished, it's finished :)
00:40 < genete> btw, I'm running studio in spanish now (well the things that were translated)
00:40 < dooglus> a rotate with an angle of atan2(yVel, xVel)/
00:40 < dooglus> it's working OK?
00:40 < genete> yes
00:40 < dooglus> great
00:40 < dooglus> you see exactly 9 sub-menus in the 'new layer'?
00:41 < genete> yes but they are alphabetically ordered
00:41 < genete> so in spanish have other order but all they content the same sub-menus.
00:42 < genete> should they be alphabetically ordered?
00:47 < genete> dooglus said: "a rotate with an angle of atan2(yVel, xVel)/"  ... and...?
00:51 < genete> oooohhh! all the params of the layers are translated too!!! :)
00:54 < genete> http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/Genete/synfig/Pantallazo-Params.png
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01:08 < dooglus> genete: all the layers are from core - gtkmm knows nothing about layers
01:08 < dooglus> genete: same goes for valuenode convert types
01:08 < genete> yes, I've noticed.
01:08 < genete> I guess I should translate Time Loop convert too
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03:12 < pabs3> heh http://mjr.towers.org.uk/blog/2007/badtech#santastupidity
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03:35 < pxegeek> Evening all!
03:37 < pxegeek> Anyone home?
03:42 < pabs3> hey pxegeek 
03:43 < pxegeek> hey pabs
03:43 < pxegeek> I think I?m running in Spanish, but SYnfig?s only picking up what looks like the GTK translations
03:44 < pxegeek> My buttons are marked in spanish, as are things like file new, save...
03:44 < pxegeek> but the layers are still in english
03:44 < pabs3> check for ENABLE_NLS in the synfig config.h
03:46 < pxegeek> -me has deja vu
03:46 < pxegeek> Ah! I see the spanish keyboard puts the / in a different place
03:57 < pxegeek> The one in C:\msys\1.0\home\Chris\synfig\_src\synfig-core\synfig-core.xcodeproj does not mention it
04:03 < pxegeek> Is there another one I should be looking at?
04:04 < pabs3> synfig-core.xcodeproj is for a MacOSX IDE
04:05 < pxegeek> I have an etl_config.h
04:06 < pxegeek> and it shows up in the tarballs I have from dooglus, but not in the SVN tree. 
04:07 < pxegeek> Is it auto generated at compile time?
04:07 < pabs3> it would be in the win32build directory if anywhere
04:07 < pabs3> it is generated by running the configure script
04:08 < pxegeek> :) that get?s erased by the build script at the end of a successful build
04:09 < pabs3> ah :/
04:09 < pxegeek> Time to give the kids a bath
04:16  * pabs3 wonders about htodd's fink studio package
04:44 < htodd> er, what now?
04:48 < pabs3> um, if you planned on packaging it too
04:51 < pxegeek> checking whether NLS is requested... yes
04:51 < pxegeek> checking for msgfmt... /C/GTK/bin/msgfmt
04:51 < pxegeek> checking for gmsgfmt... /C/GTK/bin/msgfmt
04:51 < pxegeek> checking for xgettext... /C/GTK/bin/xgettext
04:51 < pxegeek> checking for msgmerge... /C/GTK/bin/msgmerge
04:51 < pxegeek> checking for ld used by GCC... c:/mingw/mingw32/bin/ld.exe
04:51 < pxegeek> checking if the linker (c:/mingw/mingw32/bin/ld.exe) is GNU ld... yes
04:51 < pxegeek> checking for shared library run path origin... done
04:51 < pxegeek> checking whether NLS is requested... yes
04:51 < pxegeek> checking for GNU gettext in libc... no
04:51 < pxegeek> checking for iconv... yes
04:51 < pxegeek> checking how to link with libiconv... -liconv
04:51 < pxegeek> checking for GNU gettext in libintl... no
04:51 < pxegeek> checking whether to use NLS... no
04:51 < pxegeek> checking for pkg-config... /C/GTK/bin/pkg-config
04:51 < pxegeek> checking for gtkmm-2.4 gthread-2.0... yes
04:51 < pxegeek> Doesn?t look like I?m using NLS
04:52 < pabs3> aye
04:52 < pabs3> no gettext headers I suspect
04:52 < htodd> oh, yeah. synfigstudio. I wanted to get synfig right first. I have to splitoff things, etc
04:53 < pxegeek> Config.h says
04:54 < pxegeek>  /* Define to 1 if translation of program messages to the user's native
04:54 < pxegeek>    language is requested. */
04:54 < pxegeek>  /* #undef ENABLE_NLS */
04:54 < pxegeek> Atrus mentioned he'd found a Mingw or MSYS native version of Gettext, didn't he?
05:02 < pabs3> I vaguely remember that, dunno where it is though]
05:04 < pabs3> ooh http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2704,2242734,00.asp
05:08  * pxegeek on the other hand expects the shipping battery life to come in around 1hr 35 mins and sell for closer to $499
05:09 < pxegeek> Am I getting too cynical in my old age?
05:16 < pabs3> :)
05:21 < pxegeek> dooglus - here's the Child warning in loadcanvas I was talking about the other day...
05:21 < pxegeek> https://pastebin.ca/840975
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14:01 < dooglus> pxegeek: I suspect those warnings are from an old version of g++ - I don't see them with g++-4.2 .  what does the last line of output from "g++ -v" show?
14:06 < dooglus> I don't see the warnings from g++4.[12] or 3.3
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20:40 < htodd> so here I am, trying to read the docs for getting the svn version, and it shuttles me back to synfig.com
20:40 < htodd> and I can't resolve svn.voria.com
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20:54 < genete> hi
20:55 < rore> htodd: indeed, it seems there's siome problem with the server (or they changed it but i don't remember that) 
20:55 < rore> hi genete 
20:55 < genete> hi rore!
20:56 < genete> htodd: are you trying to svn up studio?
20:56 < genete> rore: what's up?
20:56 < htodd> I'm trying to fix svn
20:56 < htodd> the library versioning is all hosed up in the release version
20:57 < htodd> er, fix the fink version by using svn
20:57 < rore> genete: did someone changed the place of the repository or is this only the svn server that has some problems?
20:59 < genete> It seems to be our of order. I rebuild to the latest version yesterday and hadn't any problem
21:02 < genete> reading the wiki it, there is a copy of the latest verions at kibi: http://synfig.org/Source_code
21:02 < genete> it is maintained by dooglus and is up
21:03 < genete> but I don't know how to make a copy of the whole trunk in your local HD
21:06 < genete> hey! you can download a snapshot in tgz format from that server!
21:06 < KiBi> genete: You can select the snapshot link.
21:06 < KiBi> The tarball will be generated on the fly
21:07 < genete> htodd: so you can  access to studio by this way...
21:08 < genete> KiBi: BTW is your nick related to kibi.dyndns.org ?
21:08 < rore> genete: try /whois KiBi :)
21:09 < genete> he he
21:13 < genete> it is raining in spain now ...
21:13 < genete> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPbOyISynLw 
21:15 < rore> it's raining here too, but more like what is shown at the end of the video :) 
21:15 < KiBi> It's raining here too. :)
21:15 < KiBi> \o_
21:16 < rore> nice effect btw :)
21:16 < genete> :)
21:17 < genete> well, really it is not raining in my town... only want to make a joke ;)
21:18 < rore> hehe :)
21:19 < rore> (and it's said to be the rainiest part of France here, so of course ... :) ) 
21:19 < genete> rore: I won the first translation match.... :P
21:20 < rore> that is? core ? studio ? both ? :)
21:20 < rore> I should have sent studio translation long time ago, but I didn't know to whow :/
21:20 < genete> core
21:20 < genete> just talk to pabs3 and send him a link
21:21 < genete> so you were the winner of the first match :,(
21:23 < rore> no :p Because I didn't sent it ;)
21:39 < genete> ...............................................
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22:50 < dooglus> hrm:
22:50 < dooglus> $ svn up
22:50 < dooglus> svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/code'
22:50 < dooglus> svn: PROPFIND of '/code': Could not resolve hostname `svn.voria.com': No address associated with hostname (http://svn.voria.com)
22:54 < dooglus> rore: send it to me if you like - I can add it
22:55 < htodd> yah
22:55 < htodd> that's the problem I've been having all day
22:55 < dooglus> htodd: did you find the tarball link kibi mentioned?  (I didn't)
22:56 < htodd> I did not
22:56 < dooglus> oh, I see
22:57 < dooglus> on http://synfig.org/Source_code , click the "gitweb interface" link
22:57 < dooglus> then click the 'snapshot' link against the revision you want
22:57 < dooglus> except that will be quite big, because it will include complete copies of all previous releases...
22:58 < dooglus> http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/synfig-r1234.tbz is smaller - but not so up to date - it's 8 days old
23:00 < dooglus> I wonder if gitweb can somehow give us a patch to go from r1234 to the current version
23:00 < KiBi> not that I know
23:00 < dooglus> oh, my local git can
23:00 < dooglus> so I can use that
23:00 < dooglus> I'll upload a current tarball soon then
23:01 < KiBi> git can, sure, not giweb.
23:01 < KiBi> dooglus: Isn't snapshot a snapshot of a single revision?
23:01 < KiBi> There wouldn't be one per line otherwise...
23:02 < dooglus> KiBi: I imagine it's a snapshot of the entire directory tree at that revision
23:02 < KiBi> htodd: Why didn't you ask? :)
23:02 < dooglus> KiBi: the directory tree includes synfig-core/tags/release-0.61.06/src/*.cpp etc
23:03 < KiBi> ahah
23:03 < dooglus> ie a complete copy of the code from the 0.61.06 release, and every other release
23:03 < KiBi> \o/ svn
23:03 < dooglus> due to the way svn works, yes
23:03 < KiBi> Well, not really.
23:04 < KiBi> If it had been a single svn repo, --stdlayout and that's all.
23:06 < dooglus> right, but it's not
23:07 < KiBi> Just saying it's not *entirely* svn's fault. :)
23:08 < dooglus> ok
23:08 < dooglus> it's mostly my fault I guess - the way I imported from svn to git without knowing (or caring) what I was doing
23:08 < dooglus> my patch is failing to apply due to keyword expansion
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23:14 < pxegeek> dooglus - gcc version 3.4.5 (mingw special)
23:15 < dooglus> pxegeek: ok
23:15 < dooglus> pxegeek: it doesn't matter anyway - I don't see how those warnings can be legit - the variables it complains about are initialised on the lines it complains about
23:17 < dooglus> htodd: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/synfig-r1265.tbz is a copy of the most recent svn code
23:17 < dooglus> htodd: it's not an svn working directory though - so you won't be able to 'svn update' in it.
23:18 < dooglus> htodd: the previous (1234) url I gave *is* an svn working directory, ie. updatable, as soon as the repo server comes back up
23:26 < htodd> dooglus: thanks.
23:43 < pxegeek> Hmmm...  1265 isn't working for me.  I think I'll switch back to English from Spanish and see if that helps.  
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