--- Log opened Sat Jan 05 00:00:29 2008 00:17 -!- genete [n=Genete@84.122.37.57.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #synfig 00:31 -!- pxegeek [n=chatzill@c-71-59-140-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #synfig 00:37 < dooglus> pxegeek: it's hanging after giving an error message with spanish, right? 00:38 < pxegeek> libs weren't building correctly 00:39 < dooglus> oh 00:39 < dooglus> it wouldn't even build? 00:39 < dooglus> the expected error is that it won't run 00:41 < pxegeek> I think a path got mangled somewhere.... 00:41 < dooglus> oh, I remember you saying - a slash got turned through 90 degrees 00:42 < pxegeek> Well that is when you type.... 00:43 < genete> If I export the canvas parameter of an imported existing file, and then delete the Paste Canvas layer (exported canvas is kept), is it (that hidden exported canvas) rendered (calculated) each frame although it is not shown? 00:43 < pxegeek> Mingw or svn seems to be aware of languages 00:43 < pxegeek> Updating SVN... 00:43 < pxegeek> Revisi?n obtenida: 1265 01:03 < pxegeek> :( something else is going on. 01:12 < genete> dooglus: can you have a look to this image? http://www.darthfurby.com/genete/synfig/StraightOnto-Faliure.png 01:13 < genete> the watefall inline canvas has a StraightOnto Blend Method. Do you see the failure at the bottom right corner? 01:13 < pxegeek> OK - stupid question #33 - why is the build process for synfig-core calling the nsis script? 01:13 < pxegeek> That's studio's job. 01:29 < dooglus> because both core and studio make .exe installers? 01:37 * pabs3 would like to see one exe for .08 01:37 < pabs3> I've mailed darco about the DNS problem and am trying to coax the vps to master dns 01:39 < genete> dooglus: Straight Onto seems to be broken. 01:44 < pxegeek> dur - sorry brain fade on my part. 01:44 < pxegeek> I told you it was a stupid question. 01:44 < KiBi> pabs3: I must confess I didn't follow. Only a DNS failure? 01:44 < KiBi> pabs3: If so, it would be sufficient to s/$HOST/$IP/ and be done? 01:44 < pabs3> yep - svn.voria.com 01:44 < pabs3> probably 01:45 < pabs3> the IP is 71.198.19.209 01:45 < pabs3> chuck that in your hosts file and stuff should work 01:45 < KiBi> Any timeframe for .08 ? 01:46 < pxegeek> next question - why is liblyr_std-0.dll not being created? (rhetorical) 01:51 < pabs3> KiBi: don't think so 01:56 < dooglus> genete: do you have a simple .sif that shows the 'straight onto' bug? uploading it to a bug report would be useful. 01:57 < dooglus> genete: if not, use the waterfall one, and I'll try simplifying it 01:57 < genete> it is quite strange... the sample in the wiki works (with graidents) but rest of layers fails 01:58 < genete> in fact I don't see any difference between Onto and Straight Onto 01:58 < genete> either Straight is failing 02:00 < genete> http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/Genete/synfig/Straightonto.png 02:00 < genete> that's what I see when set a black rectangle straight onto a cyan circle 02:02 < genete> http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/Genete/synfig/Straightonto2.png 02:02 < genete> that's what I see if change the order of the layers and set the rectangle to composite and the circle to straight onto 02:03 < pabs3> ok, fixed bind on ns1.deepdarc.com 02:04 < genete> http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/Genete/synfig/Straightonto3.png 02:04 < genete> and that's what I see if I encapsulate the circle, set it to composite and set the inline canvas to straight onto. 02:07 < genete> there are a lot of failures betwen different kind of layers. Some fails some not. 02:11 < genete> I'll make a matrix test 02:11 < pabs3> nice rain genete 02:12 < genete> thanks pabs3 02:12 < genete> I was working on a waterfall when see the straight onto bug 02:12 < dooglus> genete: a simple example in a bug report would be good. just for one type of blend - I can experiment with other blend methods. 02:13 < genete> ok 02:20 < pabs3> rore: how are your translations going?! 02:21 < KiBi> (sleeping right now) 02:29 < genete> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1864292&group_id=144022&atid=757416 02:31 < dooglus> pabs3: even with an /etc/hosts entry, "The server at svn.voria.com is taking too long to respond." I have: 71.198.19.209svn.voria.com 02:32 < pabs3> ah. darco said: "Yeah, there is a really bad power outage at my house right now that is causing the problems." 02:33 < dooglus> ok 02:33 < dooglus> genete: thanks 02:34 < genete> dooglus: so our Prague's conversation about synfig host coming back... 02:34 < genete> include "is" before comming 02:34 < dooglus> genete: synfig.org is ok though - is that somewhere else? 02:35 < genete> I'm talking about the source code 02:35 < dooglus> sure 02:35 < dooglus> but we have that backed up in several places anyway 02:35 < pabs3> svn.voria is at darco's place 02:35 < dooglus> I have a complete copy, so does kibi, and I think pabs3 too 02:36 < pabs3> yeah, I've a full git backup of the whole repo and also individual ones too 02:36 < dooglus> genete: so there's no need to worry about that 02:37 < genete> ok :) 02:37 < dooglus> genete: I'd like to see the wiki & forums similarly distributed, but I don't know how easy that is to do 02:37 < genete> I'm so easy to worry about everything 02:38 < genete> I've post a lot of pages at the wiki and would be a pity that all that effort would be lost. 02:38 < genete> Perhaps someday I can go but the uploaded pages still there... 02:38 < genete> but what if you and pabs3 go too? 02:38 < dooglus> genete: I think pabs3 has said before that the wiki is backed up 02:43 < genete> I'm very fond of synfig and its team... 02:48 * pxegeek says "high winds further up the west coast of USA as well: 02:48 < pxegeek> " 02:50 < pxegeek> I have disk space to back up snapshots of wiki or svn (but not the knowledge or tools to easily do so) 02:50 < pxegeek> As genete points out though, what is irreplaceable is the talent. How do we back up dooglus? 02:52 * pxegeek checks on ebay for a spare 02:52 < dooglus> ha 02:52 * genete proposes to send him regularly a good bottle of wine... but not so frequently... 02:53 < pxegeek> And I thought you could get anything on ebay - 0 items found for: dooglus (Save this search) 02:54 < dooglus> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DOOG-AUTOGRAPHED-MAG-1957-1975_W0QQitemZ320201615666QQihZ011QQcategoryZ2830QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 02:54 < dooglus> ? 02:57 < pxegeek> Wouldn't work for me - I'm not a Lorraine.... 02:57 < genete> Did you know that if you create a paste canvas inside a inline canvas you cannot select any canvas from the exported ones? 02:57 < pxegeek> So are you the same dooglus that got quoted from #ruby-lang? 02:57 < pxegeek> It sounds like the sort of quote you'd make... 02:58 < genete> but if you create the paste canvas layer to be root you can access to all the exported canvases? 02:58 < pxegeek> 16:18 i went on a blind date set up by some friends.... turned out that the girl was a tax collector....whole nite went flat in 20 seconds 02:58 < pxegeek> 16:22 there are thousands of tax collectors. they are all instances of the class TaxInspectors 02:58 < pxegeek> 16:22 the boring girl you failed to get off with was one instance of that class 02:58 < pxegeek> 16:22 :/ 02:58 < pxegeek> 16:22 she had *no* class 03:01 < dooglus> pxegeek: I don't remember saying that, but it does look like me, and I did used to go to #ruby-lang a year or two ago (when I was learning ruby) 03:02 < dooglus> "failed to get off with" was a partial hitchhikers guide quote I guess - arthur failed to get off with trillian at the party in islington 03:04 < pxegeek> Hey babe, why don't you talk to me, I'm from a different planet... 03:07 < KiBi> :D 03:07 < pxegeek> dooglus - could any change you did between 1257 & 1265 have broken the windows build? 03:07 < pxegeek> It doesn't seem to be building liblyr_std-0.dll 03:08 < dooglus> pxegeek: yes - 1262 through 1264 are broken on all platforms 03:08 < KiBi> (\o_ git-bisect 03:08 < KiBi> ) 03:08 < dooglus> 1265 should be ok though 03:10 < dooglus> since 1257 I applied a few patches from Daniel Macks to do with the build 03:11 < dooglus> I would suggest trying 1260 and see how that goes 03:12 < dooglus> ah - he hardcoded ".la" as the shared library extension 03:12 < dooglus> I bet you need .dll, right? 03:12 < dooglus> r1259/60 03:13 -!- ZanQdo [n=Daniel@201.201.2.22] has joined #synfig 03:17 < pxegeek> I'll bet I do. 03:18 < pxegeek> Yup - from the log - "creating liblyr_std.la" 03:20 < pxegeek> OK I'll stop banging my head against some mad bugger's wall now. 03:21 < dooglus> looks to me like the windows build uses .la files, just like the linux build does, so it shouldn't be a problm 03:26 < pxegeek> When SVN comes back, I'll try regressing. 03:27 < pxegeek> what does fix 1862689 03:27 < pxegeek> do? 03:35 < dooglus> it makes sure that the libsynfig library that gets used is the one you just built 03:35 < dooglus> not an old one you happen to have lying around in a different folder 03:35 < dooglus> I think if you install the official ubuntu synfig package, and then try building from source, it builds a new libsynfig, but links with the ubuntu version 03:35 < dooglus> maybe... 03:36 < dooglus> I know I had problems before and have to uninstall the distro's version before building from source 03:36 * pxegeek only has the current one, as the win32build dir is trashed everytime 03:36 < dooglus> but you install using the .exe nsis installer 03:36 < dooglus> that will install a libsynfig somewhere (in program files I guess) 03:36 < pxegeek> ah 03:40 < pxegeek> but the one that gets installed is libsynfig-0.dll, not libsynfig.la... 03:45 < genete> http://www.darthfurby.com/genete/synfig/waterfall.avi 03:45 < genete> night all 03:47 < dooglus> night :) 03:48 -!- genete [n=Genete@84.122.37.57.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit ["Abandonando"] 03:53 < pabs3> nice 04:47 < htodd> so is voria.com gone? 04:49 < pabs3> it is down for now 05:14 -!- ZanQdo [n=Daniel@201.201.2.22] has quit ["Adios"] 06:04 -!- dyloxin [n=dyloxin@c-71-198-19-209.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #synfig 06:20 < pabs3> htodd: svn is back now 06:20 < htodd> woo 06:27 < htodd> I got stuck working on dia.. 08:20 -!- pxegeek [n=chatzill@c-71-59-140-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 08:32 -!- xerakko [n=Miguel@debian/developer/xerakko] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 08:48 < pabs3> dooglus: added the build script and log to http://synfig.org/api/ 09:32 -!- tokyo [n=alberto@sge78-1-89-80-234-243.dsl.club-internet.fr] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 10:52 < AkhIL> genete: nice waterfall! 11:00 -!- pabspabspabs [n=pabs@121.220.225.161] has joined #synfig 11:10 -!- CIA-37 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:18 -!- pabs3 [n=pabs@121.220.225.161] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:23 -!- CIA-37 [n=CIA@208.69.182.149] has joined #synfig 11:29 -!- tokyo [n=alberto@sge78-1-89-80-234-243.dsl.club-internet.fr] has joined #synfig 11:55 -!- xerakko [n=Miguel@debian/developer/xerakko] has joined #synfig 12:26 -!- xerakko [n=Miguel@debian/developer/xerakko] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 13:02 < CIA-37> synfig: dooglus * r1266 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/dock_layers.cpp: Added code to catch an exception that is raised when we try using the Spanish translation of synfig-core (if there's an accented character in any of the layer category names, as in "Geometry" -> "Geometr?a"). 13:12 -!- genete [n=Genete@84.122.49.217.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #synfig 13:13 < genete> dooglus: I'm building your latest commit 13:14 < genete> anyway, it is not only spanish set of characters problem and there is not only accented vocals: what about the ? from Espa?a? 13:15 < genete> is the most important one for us. 13:15 < genete> it is like a 'n' plus a '~' on top 13:22 < genete> I've rebuild, edited es.po, rm stamp-po, sudo make install at po folder, run synfigstudio and have same problem 13:22 < genete> I cannot have an accented i, can you? 13:23 < dooglus> I think you need to "make update-po" in the po folder too 13:24 < dooglus> I can't have an accented i, no 13:24 < dooglus> sorry, I misunderstood 13:24 < dooglus> all my commit does is clearly shows the problem 13:24 < dooglus> it doesn't fix anything 13:24 < dooglus> previously all you saw was a generic "something is wrong" message, then a hang. now you see specifics. 13:24 < dooglus> the i' character will still break things, and I don't know why 13:46 < genete> Mmmm still having the same generic message 13:47 < genete> after make update-po and sudo make install 13:47 < genete> in po folder 13:48 < genete> guess what? 13:49 < genete> I'll not post more bug trakers untill you don't finish the new Dup Layer |-P 13:50 < genete> everytime you start to work on something cool then I discover new bugs :( 13:52 < genete> and priorities are priorities... 13:53 < dooglus> don't worry - I won't get distracted by new bugs 13:53 < dooglus> it's just good to have them recorded in the tracker so they don't get lost 13:54 < genete> that Dup Layer would be a BIG step for Synfig. 13:56 < genete> anyway, all your decisions you make on what fix or what develop are right 13:56 < genete> don't fell forced to do anything. 14:07 < genete> Cristina 14:09 < genete> Cr?st?na 14:09 < genete> Espa?a Espana 14:10 < genete> Cr?st?n? 14:11 < genete> murci?lago cig?e?a 14:11 < genete> Lucky that any Layer Type is called Cig?e?a .... --- Log opened Sat Jan 05 14:24:56 2008 14:24 -!- dooglus [n=dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #synfig 14:24 -!- Irssi: #synfig: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal] 14:25 -!- Irssi: Join to #synfig was synced in 29 secs 14:29 -!- Zelgadis [n=zelgadis@87.103.170.176] has joined #synfig 14:31 < Zelgadis> Hi! 14:31 < Zelgadis> So, what about the translation structure? 14:35 -!- Zelgadis [n=zelgadis@87.103.170.176] has left #synfig [] 14:37 < dooglus> patience! :) 14:43 < genete> see you! 14:43 -!- genete [n=Genete@84.122.49.217.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit ["Abandonando"] 15:25 -!- tokyo [n=alberto@sge78-1-89-80-234-243.dsl.club-internet.fr] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 15:50 -!- pabspabspabs is now known as pabs3 15:57 < dooglus> genete: progress! http://dooglus.rincevent.net/synfig/dup1.png (one circle layer rendering 3 randomly colored circles in 3 different positions) 16:13 -!- factor [n=factor@ip68-14-160-70.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #synfig 17:32 -!- pxegeek [n=chatzill@c-71-59-140-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #synfig 18:52 -!- TMM [n=hp@c5147518c.cable.wanadoo.nl] has joined #synfig 19:29 -!- Zelgadis [n=zelgadis@87.103.170.176] has joined #synfig 19:29 -!- Zelgadis [n=zelgadis@87.103.170.176] has left #synfig [] 19:29 -!- Zelgadis [n=zelgadis@87.103.170.176] has joined #synfig 19:29 -!- Zelgadis [n=zelgadis@87.103.170.176] has left #synfig [] 19:31 -!- Zelgadis [n=zelgadis@87.103.170.176] has joined #synfig 19:31 -!- Zelgadis [n=zelgadis@87.103.170.176] has left #synfig [] 20:21 -!- MangoFusion [n=jamesu@host86-150-118-47.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #synfig 20:34 < rore> hmm, question: Is the "autoreconf -if" mandatory after each "svn up" ? 20:34 < KiBi> rore: Coming from autopoint, see "grep cvs /usr/bin/autopoint". 20:34 < rore> KiBi: leave me some time to ask my question, kssssss :p 20:34 < KiBi> rore: basically, only when configure.ac is changed. 20:35 < MangoFusion> common sense i think ;) 20:35 < rore> that's because autoreconf failed, because I didn't have ... CVS ... 20:35 < KiBi> (If you compile with --enable-maintainer-mode, which I assume, plenty of stuff should be automatically done.) --- Log opened Sat Jan 05 21:46:35 2008 21:46 -!- dooglus [n=dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #synfig 21:46 -!- Irssi: #synfig: Total of 16 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 15 normal] 21:47 -!- Irssi: Join to #synfig was synced in 29 secs 22:26 -!- MangoFusion [n=jamesu@host86-150-118-47.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 22:49 < dooglus> http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/flower0.png : a single petal 22:49 < dooglus> http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/flower1.png : duplicated 6 times to make a flower 22:49 < dooglus> http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/flower2.png : duplicated 32 times to make a mess :) 22:55 < KiBi> heh :) 22:56 < dooglus> if you can contain your excitement for another few minutes, an animated version will become available :) 22:59 < dooglus> http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/flower.avi 23:02 < CIA-37> synfig: dooglus * r1267 /synfig-core/trunk/src/synfig/ (9 files): Add new convert types 'From Integer' and 'Duplicate' and new layer 'Duplicate'. 23:07 -!- genete [n=Genete@84.122.37.17.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #synfig 23:08 < genete> wooohoooo! 23:08 < genete> dooglus: It is amazing! 23:09 < genete> I'll bouild it just now!!!! 23:10 < genete> how fast does it works? 23:11 < genete> dooglus: have you tried to make 1000 duplicates? 23:12 < genete> what layer is rendered first the lower index or the higer? 23:13 < genete> aaarrrrgh! cannot wait more time...!!! 23:13 < genete> compile! compile! make! make! 23:13 -!- MangoFusion [n=jamesu@host86-150-118-47.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has joined #synfig 23:20 < genete> how do I make duplicate layers? :( I don't know how to use it! 23:20 < dooglus> genete: the "from" layer 23:20 < dooglus> is made first 23:20 < genete> continues without understand 23:21 < dooglus> genete: here's an example: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/flower.sifz 23:21 < genete> ah so you finally made duplicate a type 23:21 < dooglus> genete: make a new layer: Other > Duplicate 23:21 < dooglus> genete: convert the parameter to 'Duplicate' too 23:21 < dooglus> (I'll hopefully get that to happen automatically) 23:21 < dooglus> export the parameter 23:21 < genete> it is not automatic 23:22 < dooglus> set From, To, Step 23:22 < dooglus> put other layers under it, and link to the exported index 23:22 < dooglus> it's not automatic yet, no. I thought I'd check it in anyway so you can try it and make suggestions 23:23 < dooglus> things to do: make it automatically use the 'duplicate' convert when you make a new layer 23:23 < genete> ah cool! I got it 23:23 < dooglus> don't allow the parameter to be disconnected (ie. make sure the duplicate convert stays there) 23:23 < dooglus> don't allow other layers to use the duplicate convert at all 23:23 < dooglus> that's probably enough 23:24 < dooglus> oh, and for some reason I've not worked out yet, linking the index to the offset of a pastecanvas doesn't work 23:24 < dooglus> that's why I used a separate translate layer in the example 23:24 < genete> I have to make a deep try 23:25 < dooglus> genete: go easy on it - it's new and not tested :) 23:25 < genete> don't worry 23:25 < dooglus> genete: there's a new 'integer' convert too for linking the integer 'index' param to real, time, bool params 23:25 < genete> I only will comment discoveries here 23:26 < genete> I've seen it yet 23:26 < dooglus> already? 23:26 < dooglus> I've seen it already 23:26 < genete> it is said in the commit 23:26 < dooglus> I've not seen it yet 23:26 < dooglus> ok 23:29 < dooglus> I don't think it will be any different in speed to what you were doing before 23:29 < dooglus> it still renders the layer over and over 23:29 < dooglus> but it turns itself off at quality=10 23:29 < dooglus> and also it's easy to limit the number of dups by editing a single parameter 23:31 < genete> it seems that random is not so clever 23:31 < genete> at frame 0 it is aligned 23:33 < dooglus> yes, we noticed it before, remember? 23:33 < genete> yes 23:33 < dooglus> it was the same before - nothing to do with dup. 23:33 < genete> I know I know 23:33 < dooglus> my flower animation starts with the flowers in rows, too 23:34 < dooglus> what's worse is if you set the 'animation speed' to be zero, then they stay aligned forever 23:34 < dooglus> link the seed to the index and they'll unalign soon enough 23:34 < dooglus> is it working so far? 23:34 -!- MangoFusion [n=jamesu@host86-150-118-47.range86-150.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 23:34 < genete> you can set the animation speed to 0 at frame 1 and then they're not aligned 23:37 < dooglus> oh, right 23:46 < dooglus> genete: I just added code to make the duplicate layer have the converted parameter automatically 23:47 < CIA-37> synfig: dooglus * r1268 /synfig-core/trunk/src/synfig/ (3 files): When we create a 'Duplicate' layer, automatically have its parameter already converted to 'Duplicate' as well. 23:49 * pxegeek mutters - great, cool new features and I can't compile... mutter... mutter... mutter.... 23:49 < dooglus> hmmm 23:49 < genete> dooglus: I think that the Time Offset doesn't work because it is applied before the duplication so you always get the same offset for all layers 23:50 < dooglus> genete: I didn't even consider time offset 23:50 < dooglus> genete: I meant "position" or whatever the green duck is called 23:50 < genete> dooglus said: oh, and for some reason I've not worked out yet, linking the index to the offset of a pastecanvas doesn't work 23:51 < dooglus> pxegeek: I'd have a go at fixing the windows build, but I can't even get 'ls' to run reliably in windows 23:51 < dooglus> every command I try running in msys has a 10% chance of failure 23:51 < dooglus> I've no idea why, but it makes building impossible 23:52 < pxegeek> I'm pretty sure I've broken something at my end. I built 1257 last week, but can't build it now. 23:52 < pxegeek> The only thing I remember playing with was language support. 23:52 * pxegeek reboots on the offchance 23:54 < dooglus> genete: one thing I'm wondering is whether the Index should be a Real instead of an Integer 23:54 < genete> there is not reason to be an integer 23:55 < genete> only to aid the user make the count "form" ... "to" 23:55 < dooglus> genete: quite a few times I want to add more dups, I have 0,1,2,3,4 and I want twice as many, but I'm using the 4 as a radius or something 23:55 < genete> but in fact it is like a for-next 23:55 < dooglus> it would be nice to be able to use set 'step' to 0.5 23:55 < dooglus> I will keep from and to 23:55 < dooglus> and step 23:56 < dooglus> and the user can use from 1.0 to 10.0 step 1.0 if they want to keep the maths easy 23:56 < genete> from 1 to 10 step=0.5 gives 20 copies 23:56 < dooglus> the only bad thing about using a Real instead is that random seeds need to be integers 23:56 < genete> yes 23:56 < genete> Mmmm 23:56 < dooglus> genete: it actually uses both ends, so it'll be 19 23:57 < genete> 21 23:57 < dooglus> 0 to 10 would be 21 23:57 < dooglus> x to y is (y-x)*2+1 23:58 < genete> ok 23:58 < dooglus> I had to do the maths already today :) 23:59 < genete> regarding to the seed you can convert it to a scale and the scalar param is a real --- Log closed Sun Jan 06 00:00:15 2008