--- Log opened Tue Jan 08 00:00:30 2008
00:01 < dooglus> Nahztu: when you are in synfig's file selector, there should be a row of folder buttons along the top which tell you where your folder is
00:02 < dooglus> Nahztu: something like this: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/selector.png
00:03 < dooglus> the 'home' 'chris' 'Desktop' 'anim' buttons tell me that my animations are in /home/chris/Desktop/anim/
00:05 < Nahztu> I see that, I mean Programs files "outside" of the Synfig program won't show the Creations Folder. When I use search on my computer, and I type "Creations" it's nowhere to be found. I found that I can't delete files within Synfig, so I was just wondering if the "Creations" folder not showing on my computer was a bug, or just how it works?
00:05 < dooglus> genete: did you ever try editing the 'To' sub-param in the Dup layer and find it wouldn't change?
00:05 < dooglus> genete: I've had that a few times, but don't know why it happens, or how to reproduce it
00:06 < dooglus> Nahztu: I suspect it's just that you don't know where it is, and the search function you're using is up to microsoft's usual standards
00:06 < dooglus> Nahztu: do you know how to use VNC on vista?
00:07 < genete> dooglus: I've changed it several times by hand and also by the exported ValueBase Node without any problem
00:08 < dooglus> genete: yes, it usually works
00:08 < genete> dooglus: do one thing: create a Dup layer over a complex set of layer (that takes a little to render)
00:09 < genete> then modify by hand the "To" parameter to a big number (200 is enough) 
00:09 < genete> then inmediately place the mouse over the Index param.... let me what you see...
00:10 < Nahztu> http://www.easypics.us/pics/Creations1.html
00:11 < Nahztu> http://www.easypics.us/pics/Creations2.html
00:11 < dooglus> genete: I don't see it changing
00:13 < dooglus> Nahztu: that is strange.  so the creations folder is hidden, and windows explorer is set up to not show hidden folders
00:14 < Nahztu> IS there an option in windows explorer to show hidden folders?
00:14 < Nahztu> I also don't know that.
00:14 < dooglus> Nahztu: I expect if you can find the folder setitngs for windows explorer you can say 'show hidden folders'
00:14 < dooglus> but vista doesn't seem to have proper menu bars any more, so I don't know where they've moved it to
00:14 < Nahztu> Ok, thanks... excuse me if I'm being difficult. I appreciate the help.
00:15 < dooglus> Nahztu: apparently, you do this: # Click Start. # Open Computer. # Press the ALT key. # Select the Tools menu and click Folder Options. # Select the View Tab. # Under the Hidden files and folders heading select Show hidden files and folders. # Uncheck the Hide protected operating system files (recommended) option. # Click Yes to confirm. # Click OK.
00:15 < dooglus> Nahztu: from here: http://www.xtra.co.nz/help/0,,4155-1916458,00.html
00:17 < Nahztu> Oh boy, I hate Vista so much... (frustration grows) heh.
00:17 < Nahztu> Thanks
00:22 < genete> dooglus: did you or didn't you see the Index changing from "From" to "To"?
00:22 < Nahztu> ...It's not a big deal. It's mainly a problem with not having the control to delete what I don't want. I actually thought unhiding folders would work, heh.
00:23 < genete> Nahztu: it seems that Vista treats folders created by gtkmm libraries as hidden folders (?)
00:26 < Nahztu> I thought Vista did that, but then I un-hid all folders, and Creations still never showed. It's just strange is all.
00:27 < Nahztu> It still could be Vista, I don't have any basis, but I know it causes some strange things to happen sometimes.
00:27 < genete> The folder "Creations" was created using Synfig's select file window?
00:28 < dooglus> genete: I didn't see it changing
00:29 < genete> It sucks but I guess you should create your folder structure using windows Vista file manager.
00:29 < dooglus> Nahztu: try running a command prompt
00:29 < dooglus> Nahztu: see if you can find it that way
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00:30 < Nahztu> I know, heh... I was going to do that. I just wanted to see if I could delete it, but if it's only within Synfig I'm not sure.
00:30 < dooglus> it's not within synfig - synfig just saves to regular files
00:30 < Nahztu> Hmm... how do I run a command promt?
00:30 < dooglus> do you have 'run' on the start menu?
00:30 < Nahztu> Oh, gotcha
00:31 < dooglus> type 'cmd' in the run box, probably
00:32  * pxegeek sees the same as Nahztu
00:32 < dooglus> pxegeek: even with system and hidden folders shown?
00:33 < Nahztu> I wish I knew more about Vista, not sure where the run function is.
00:33 < Nahztu> Found it.
00:33 < dooglus> Nahztu: easier way: go to the synfig folder in explorer
00:34 < pxegeek> Are you logged in as Administrator or as a 'regular' user
00:34 < dooglus> then hold down the shift key and right-click
00:34 < pxegeek> ?
00:34 < dooglus> then 'open command window here'
00:35 < Nahztu> I think I'm Admin.
00:35 < Nahztu> Can I delete folder, or see folder from Command?
00:36 < pxegeek> Hmmm...  I know I'm an admin, but not the Admin admin
00:37 < dooglus> Nahztu: type "dir"
00:37 < dooglus> Nahztu: does it list the folder?
00:37 < Nahztu> Amazing! no.
00:37 < dooglus> Nahztu: I forget how to use dir now
00:37 < dooglus> Nahztu: dir/a:H
00:37 < dooglus> might list hidden folders?
00:38 < Nahztu> File not found
00:38 < dooglus> dir /AH /X /P 
00:39 < dooglus> the colon : was wrong
00:41 < Nahztu> No, didn't work. It's non-existent through my computer, or something. I don't think it's a hidden folder, but I don't know much about, well I draw, and play games... so I'm not very credible when it comes to this.
00:41 < dooglus> maybe "attrib -s -h creations" will make it unhidden
00:41 < dooglus> (was it called 'creations'?
00:42 < Nahztu> On the Synfig folder selector that's how it's spelled.
00:44 < dooglus> does that attrib command help?
00:44 < Nahztu> Is that exactly how to type it?
00:44 < dooglus> yes, but without the quotes
00:44 < Nahztu> So use spaces too?
00:44 < dooglus> yes
00:44 < Nahztu> Ok
00:45 < dooglus> it means remove the system flag and remove the hidden flag
00:45 < dooglus> O
00:45 < dooglus> I'm going to bed.  'night all
00:45 < pxegeek> 'night dooglus
00:46 < genete> dooglus: create a dup layer automatically export the index (OK) if you delete the Dup layer the index remains. Is it good or bad? Some params cab be linked to it....
00:46 < pxegeek> BTW Nahztu - this is definitely a Vista thing.  Never seen any problems likes this with XP. 
00:46 < Nahztu> Yep, it actually says File not found - Creations. Hey thanks for the help!
00:46 < genete> oops sorry dooglus, night
00:47 < Nahztu> It's not a huge problem, though interesting it won't stop me from doing more work.
00:48 < Nahztu> I'm going to work on Blining.
00:49 < pxegeek> Yes - way more productive than fighting Vista
00:49 < Nahztu> Hahaha!
00:50 < Nahztu> True, hey does rebooting solve a lot of problems?
00:59 < pabs3> pxegeek: gtk looks really ugly in that vista screenshot
01:00 < Nahztu> Hmm... how do I close Blines?
01:01 < genete> Nahztu: duriong creation right click over the fisrt duck (not the tangent, the vertex) and select "Loop BLine"
01:01 < Nahztu> Gotcha! thanks.
01:04 < Nahztu> Having never used Blines, this may take a while to get used to, but I'm glad I know it's there now.
01:29 < pxegeek> Did rebooting suddenly reveal the missing dir?
01:32 < pxegeek> pabs - how so?  Just in comparison with everything else?
01:33 < pabs3> pxegeek: ya and the default gtk theme on windows has always been ugly, I thought they created a windows theme that wasn't ugly, maybe that was just distributed with the gimp
01:34 < pxegeek> Same icons in Gimp...  Maybe I need to update my Gimp install
01:34 < pxegeek> I thought we had some other screenshots uploaded already....
01:36 < pxegeek> Apparently not.
01:39 < pabs3> I thought so too...
01:39 < pxegeek> When SVN runs, U is for updated, A is for added, what's G mean?
01:44 < pabs3> svn up --help says G  Merged
01:44 < pabs3> C  Conflict D Deleted
01:48 < Nahztu> I'll see if it works, rebooting.
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01:51 < pxegeek> nahztu - that was a question not a suggestion!
01:52  * pxegeek building 1287
01:53 < pxegeek> then if that works I'll try again with Atrus' patches
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01:58  * pxegeek wonders the difference between Updated and Merged
01:59 < pxegeek> Ah - they were the nsh files that got patched locally
01:59 < pxegeek> nahztu - that was a question not a suggestion!
02:00 < pxegeek> I don't supose it made any difference, right?
02:00 < Nahztu> Of course not, I figured it was Vista, just seeing what works, heh.
02:02 < CIA-37> synfig: pabs * r1288 /ETL/trunk/README: Use synfig.org instead of synfig.com
02:02 < CIA-37> synfig: pabs * r1289 /synfig-core/trunk/ (README win32inst.nsi.in po/es.po TODO po/Makevars): Use synfig.org instead of synfig.com
02:11 < pabs3> dooglus: any thoughts on synfig.org/roadmap? should we delete that page?
02:17 < CIA-37> synfig: pabs * r1290 /synfig-studio/trunk/ (NEWS README po/fr.po TODO po/Makevars src/gtkmm/app.cpp): Use synfig.org instead of synfig.com
02:25 < pabs3> hmm, maybe just say it is obsolete since we don't make specific plans for releases
02:26 < genete> night pabs3 .... xO
02:26 < pabs3> nite genete :)
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02:32 < CIA-37> synfig: pabs * r1291 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Use the bugs page on the website instead of the tracker in the autoconf bugs argument of AC_INIT
04:08 < pxegeek> grrr....  pabs - your latest commit just broke Atrus' patches
04:08 < pabs3> :)
04:09 < pxegeek> Just for that I'm going to roll back to 1290!
04:10 < pabs3> shouldn't be hard to merge
04:11 < KiBi> pabs3: May I abuse your time yesterday and ask for a review of my graphviz package?
04:11 < KiBi> hm, wait.
04:11 < pxegeek> was tempted to do it by hand, but rolling back one version seems easier and I want to get to bed tonight
04:11 < KiBi> Let's say tomorrow.
04:11  * pxegeek volunteers pabs time from sometime last year
04:12 < KiBi> meeh :)
04:56  * pxegeek likes Atrus' version patch!
05:06 < pabs3> pxegeek: don't reboot: http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/01/08/0154227
05:58 < pxegeek> Yay something else to lose sleep over!
05:59  * KiBi has no sleep to lose. :p
06:00 < pxegeek> Really - 6am for you?
06:01 < pxegeek> (btw backups mirrored)
06:01 < pxegeek> bedtime for me...  As soon as I find a missing cat.
06:04 < KiBi> Yes, 6am
06:04 < KiBi> And 'night to you.
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07:08 < pabs3> hmm, I wonder if "use current frame should be off by default"?
07:08 < pabs3> er, I wonder if "use current frame" should be off by default?
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07:40 < pabs3> KiBi: do you see http://bugs.debian.org/440897 too?
07:46 < dooglus> pabs3: I don't have thoughts on the roadmap page.  My development habit is more of an ADD "ooh, shiny new feature" thing than following a map.  Although, it would be good to have the page up to date, so we have somewhere a list of what is blocking the next release.
07:50 < pabs3> ok. I'll update it, I recon the polygon regression is a blocker
07:50 < dooglus> pabs3: I had a problem yesterday when I accidentally used a non-UTF-8 character in a commit log message.  It made svn got weird for a while, and I lost a couple of revisions from the remote branch: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/missing-revs.png
07:50 < dooglus> and idea how to get them back in there?
07:51 < dooglus> pabs3: I just saw genete's report about that.  should be a relatively easy fix - I'm pretty sure I broke it yesterday with one of the commits mentioned on http://synfig.org/Duplicate_Layer#Known_Problems (search 'convert')
07:51 < pabs3> dooglus: how do you get those yellow tags on the left to show up?
07:52 < dooglus> I think "use current frame" should be off by default - this is an animation package after all
07:52 < dooglus> pabs3: I use a shell function: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/sftag.txt
07:52 < pabs3> you mean on by default?
07:53 < pabs3> ah
07:53 < dooglus> pabs3: I mean off.  why only render the current frame?
07:53 < pabs3> sorry, misread
07:53 < pabs3> I'm turning it off now
07:54 < dooglus> 'core' renders the whole thing unless you specify '--time'.  'studio' should do the same I think
07:55 < dooglus> pabs3: those yellow tags allow me to 'git diff r1276..r1280' for instance, rather than messing with git commit ids of head~5 and such like
07:55 < dooglus> pabs3: I only tag the most recent 25 commits by default.  having every commit tagged *really* shows down the gitk gui
08:01 < dooglus> I'll look at the polygon regression
08:03 < pabs3> thanks
08:08 < pabs3> dooglus: not sure about the missing revs thing, did git svn rebase not help?
08:09 < dooglus> pabs3: no, the revs aren't in the remote branch
08:10 < pabs3> I have them in mine, hmm
08:10 < dooglus> pabs3: I made the 'missing-revisions' branch manually and patched it using patches I generated from my svn working dir
08:10 < dooglus> pabs3: the problem was caused when svn was messed up by the weird squiggly french C
08:11 < dooglus> pabs3: you did a git-svn fetch after I fixed the commit comment
08:11 < dooglus> (for the record, if it happens again, you can't use svn's propedit to fix the commit message, and have to use propset instead)
08:12 < dooglus> "svn propedit svn:log --revset -r999"
08:12 < pabs3> ok
08:12 < dooglus> oops.  I mean: "svn propset svn:log --revprop -r999"
08:13 < dooglus> interesting.  the polygon tool was broken in r1267 already.  I didn't break it recently.
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08:15 < dooglus> morning genete
08:15 < genete> morning
08:15 < dooglus> I'm aware before you today - that must be a first :)
08:15 < dooglus> awake
08:15 < genete> he heh
08:16 < dooglus> and yes, I did sleep :)
08:16 < genete> oh nice! then you're ready to work on synfig! :)
08:16 < dooglus> genete: did you use the polygon tool recently at all and have it work?
08:17 < dooglus> genete: oh yes...  I have a large jug of caffeine at the ready...
08:17 < dooglus> genete: I'm starting the slow process if trying to find out which commit broke the polygon tool.  it wasn't yesterday.
08:17 < genete> dooglus: I've used the the polygon tool not so far away and was fine.
08:18 < genete> I think not more than 20 or 30 commits.
08:18 < genete> it seems that the wiki have signed spam advertisements...
08:20 < dooglus> I've not looked at the wiki for a few weeks.  I used to follow every edit.
08:21 < genete> those kind of signed non desired advertisements would lead to block the IP o the user who did them?
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08:24 < dooglus> genete: I don't see why not
08:25 < genete> dooglus: I'll delete the pages. I want to make use of the sysop power... ;)
08:25 < dooglus> I just blocked him
08:25 < dooglus> and deleted his first page
08:26 < genete> he he so you're waked up really!
08:26 < genete> finish it please....
08:27 < genete> pabs3: you're wake up too! :)
08:28 < pabs3> yep, deleted the other tw
08:28 < pabs3> o
08:28 < dooglus> t?
08:28 < pabs3> genete: how is your studio translation?
08:28 < genete> very well....
08:28 < genete> ...planned
08:28 < genete> ;)
08:29 < pabs3> dooglus: updated the roadmap page: http://synfig.org/Roadmap
08:29 < dooglus> the translation race worked out nicely
08:29 < dooglus> it seems you are rore were racing on different tracks
08:29 < dooglus> you won the core race, and she won the studio race :)
08:29 < genete> Mmmm I'm "duck" afraid :(
08:30 < pabs3> dooglus: anything on http://synfig.org/Software_roadmap that is completed?
08:32 < dooglus> pabs3: not really.  the draw tool is a little more capable but not rewritten
08:32 < dooglus> pabs3: most everything there is a bigger change than anything I've done
08:35 < dooglus> genete: what about "pato"?  is it silly?
08:35 < genete> totally
08:35 < dooglus> genete: I would guess that to 90% of synfig users, "duck" doesn't mean anything other than the animals at the pond.
08:35 < dooglus> genete: it's silly in English too, you see
08:36 < genete> I had one small and cool but still being so weird: "asa" (the noun not the verb)
08:36 < dooglus> genete: oh, "pato" is a verb?
08:36 < genete> not "asa" is a verb and a noun at the same time
08:37 < dooglus> "Me gusta dar de comer a los patos."
08:37 < genete> "pato" is only a noun
08:37 < dooglus> what is "asa"?
08:37 < genete> handle
08:37 < dooglus> oh, i see
08:37 < genete> but not first acception
08:38 < genete> handle is "mango" (what weirdy is also a fruit)
08:38 < genete> lol
08:38 < genete> spanish is too complicated XD
08:38 < dooglus> mangos are green and red too, like synfig ducks?
08:39 < genete> mmmm
08:39 < genete> I have to think on somethig cool....
08:39 < dooglus> I think it makes sense to use the literal translation of the noun "duck" - then spanish users can understand english talk about synfig ducks
08:39 < pabs3> hmm,
08:39 < dooglus> we can all be silly together?
08:40 < genete> I cannot imagine when darco give name to the "ducks"...
08:41 < dooglus> genete: because: http://www.pranos.com/boatsofwood/lofting%20ducks/lofting_ducks.htm
08:41 < dooglus> really, they are "pato"
08:41 < genete> really cool
08:42 < genete> I love traditional way of drawing and long papers on the floor....
08:42 < dooglus> they're nice photos on that page aren't they!
08:43 < genete> maybe we can make a wiki page for the weird word using wikipedia GNU images...
08:45 < dooglus> I just linked to that page from the bottom of http://synfig.org/Duck
08:45 < dooglus> but yes, it would be good to have the images hosted locally, 'cos that page won't be there forever
08:45 < dooglus> I wonder how many lofting ducks he sells these days
08:46  * pabs3 wonders what a hacker runabout is
08:47 < dooglus> I don't know if there are any good images on wikipedia we can use.  I see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spline_(device) but that's not got images
08:48 < dooglus> "The boat was designed by famed boat architect John Hacker and was built by Gage Marine of Lake Geneva, Wisconsin, thus the name Gage-Hacker."
08:49 < dooglus> http://www.mbbw.com/brokerage/Brokerage%20listings/082%2026%20Gage%20Hacker%20Runabout.htm
08:50 < genete> anyway if "duck" origin is documented we should translate as "pato"
08:50 < pabs3> ah
08:50 < dooglus> wikipedia doesn't know of him, other than: "Philip C. Bolger (1927- ), prolific boat designer, was born and lives in Gloucester, Massachusetts. He began work full time as a draftsman for boat designers Lindsay Lord and then John Hacker in early 1950s."
08:51 < genete> http://www.macnaughtongroup.com/spline_weights.htm
08:53 < genete> http://www.splineweights.com/
08:53 < dooglus> genete: so now you don't need to be afraid of the duck translation :)
08:53 < dooglus> we really do mean the small feathery creatures
08:54 < pabs3> :)
08:55 < genete> http://www.duckworksmagazine.com/
08:55 < genete> yeah
08:56 < genete> how did rore translated it? ;)
08:57 < dooglus> msgid "Move Duck"
08:57 < dooglus> msgstr "D?placer les poign?es"
08:58 < genete> dooglus: did you reduced the duplicate amount when set quality preview to 10?
08:58 < dooglus> "handles"
08:58 < dooglus> genete: duplicate is disabled at q10
08:58 < genete> ok
08:58 < dooglus> genete: default quality is 9 though
08:58 < genete> yes yes
08:59 < genete> but wanted to improve speed to review my animation
08:59 < dooglus> genete: q10 is supposed to be very fast; duplicate can be very slow - I thought it would be a good way to speed things up
08:59 < dooglus> oh, of course :)
08:59 < genete> it is nice
08:59 < dooglus> we need separately toggle-able features, like for the ducks
08:59 < dooglus> toggle the various features independently
09:00 < genete> yes it is desireable
09:00  * dooglus wants a compile farm
09:00 < dooglus> 1267 broken
09:00 < dooglus> 1246 broken
09:00 < dooglus> 1225 ok
09:00 < dooglus> hunting the polygon bug
09:03 < genete> :) me too!
09:03 < dooglus> 1230 looks a likely canardidate
09:11 < dooglus> pabs3: how do I leave a 'note for translators' in the source so that they see it show up in the file they edit?
09:12 < pabs3> add a comment on the line before that begins with TRANSLATORS (whitespace doesn't matter iirc)
09:12 < dooglus> ok
09:12 < dooglus> I've tried searching the gettext manual, but searching always crashes firefox for me
09:14 < pabs3> yuck. the po/Makevars defines what xgettext looks for
09:14 < dooglus> hmmm, seems http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/gettext.html only mentions TRANSLATORS twice, and both times it's an example
09:17 < dooglus> oh, good.
09:29 < pabs3> http://inkscapers.deviantart.com/journal/16298574/
09:37 < pabs3> my picks: #2, #23 and maybe #31
09:41 < dooglus> #2 has the 'sc' darker than the rest?  looks like "ink ape" to me
09:43 < Nahztu> What's Inkscape? is it cool?
09:44 < genete> Inkscape is the Adobe Illustrator free open source replacement
09:44 < pabs3> http://inkscape.org/ - vector graphics editor (SVG oriented IIRC)
09:47 < rore> hello
09:47 < dooglus> hi
09:47  * rore picks the #7, because it reflects one of the latest feature or inkscape, "3D" cubes
09:54 < genete> hi rore!
09:56  * genete starts to translate studio...
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10:00 < pabs3> cool, there is a small amount of synfig stuff on deviantART (added a link to the gallery)
10:00 < genete> dooglus, pabs: I've seen some synfig messages untranslated.
10:00  * pabs3 lols at http://fc01.deviantart.com/fs21/f/2007/297/b/7/StickDance_1_by_Ceoks.avi
10:01 < genete> yeah it is funny... seen on youtube
10:02 < pabs3> this is pretty good: http://howitzer.deviantart.com/art/Waiting-for-the-Bus-36648773
10:03 < pabs3> dooglus: what was the polygon problem?
10:04 < dooglus> pabs3: r1230 added the 'time' parameter to the ValueDescConvert action, so that it could initialise sub-parameters of newly created valuenodes with the value of the existing valuenode at the current time, rather than using time 0 always
10:05 < dooglus> pabs3: I searched for all uses of the ValueDescConvert action in the code, but forgot that it can also be called by name ("value_desc_convert") as well as by class (Action::ValueDescConvert)
10:05 < dooglus> pabs3: that's how the polygon tool was calling it, so I missed fixing that call
10:05 < dooglus> it does: synfigapp::Action::Handle action(synfigapp::Action::create("value_desc_convert"));
10:05 < pabs3> ah
10:06 < dooglus> searching the code for "value_desc_convert" shows that the polygon tool is the only file which uses that name
10:07 < dooglus> pabs3: "LC_ALL=es_ES.UTF-8 synfigstudio" still fails, and I've no idea why
10:07 < dooglus> it tells me: synfig(28668) [10:07:02] error: dock_layers.cpp:137 caught MarkupError code 2: Error on line 1 char 2144: Document ended unexpectedly inside the close tag for element 'ui'
10:07 < dooglus> yet the XML looks well formed to me
10:09 < genete> what's the char 2144 from that file? maybe the accuted "i"?
10:09 < dooglus> no, it's the </ui> at the end
10:10 < genete> was it a file created by you?
10:11 < pabs3> xmllint turns the accuted i into &#xED;a
10:11 < pabs3> er, without the 'a'
10:12 < dooglus> genete: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/xml.txt
10:12 < genete> pabs3: http://www.darthfurby.com/genete/synfig/core/es.po is a new core translation fixing the fuxxy and the untranslated. It comes from the svn r1284
10:12 < genete> oops s/fuxxy/fuzzy
10:13 < dooglus> pabs3: what does that mean?
10:13 < pabs3> I get 5 fuzzy translations, 4 untranslated messages after overwriting it and running update-po
10:14 < pabs3> dooglus: perhaps it isn't expecting UTF8?
10:14 < genete> dooglus: maybe it is waiting for a EOF?
10:15 < genete> pabs3: :( I'm using kbabel and don't see any of them. Can you send me your es.po file? maybe it is because I'm not up to date
10:15 < dooglus> pabs3: http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/unstable/glib-Simple-XML-Subset-Parser.html tells me:
10:15 < dooglus> Simplifications to XML include:
10:15 < dooglus>     *
10:15 < dooglus>       Only UTF-8 encoding is allowed. 
10:16 < pabs3> genete: http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/files/tmp/es.po
10:16 < pabs3> hmmm
10:20 < genete> you're right. But I just edited the current es.po file in synfig-core/po folder. Was it not updated when svn up?
10:20 < pabs3> genete: nope, you need to re-run make update-po
10:21 < pabs3> that will gather new strings from the source code and update es.po with them
10:22 < genete> I guessed it was done automatically when you follow the build instructions. And I always do. Sure I did not read your Translations instructions...
10:22 < pabs3> I'll write this on the translation page
10:22 < genete> ok well
10:22 < genete> I'll fix your es.po then and upload again to you...
10:23 < pabs3> it seems like update-po is only run manually
10:23 < pabs3> cool
10:24 < genete> dooglus: For what is used "Copy Index" text stream at layer_duplicate.cpp? I've not seen it using studio.
10:25 < pabs3> added a note to the translations page
10:25  * pabs3 gotta go out
10:26 < genete> Also I see "From Integer" to be translated. It seems that it is a translation mark error. It should be "From" and "Integer" separated. (Integer wasn't deprecated?)
10:29 < dooglus> genete: it's the description of the parameter
10:29 < genete> pabs3: http://www.darthfurby.com/genete/synfig/core/es.po is updated.
10:29 < dooglus> genete: I don't know if any parameter description is ever used.  maybe because we don't have tooltips working in the gui yet
10:30 < genete> it should be "From Real" isn't it?
10:31 < dooglus> genete: "From Integer" is the convert type
10:31 < dooglus> genete: it doesn't convert to an integer - it converts to a real/time/angle from an integer
10:31 < genete> ok so I translated correctly.
10:31 < dooglus> the integer is the sub-parameter - the source
10:31 < dooglus> all converts are named after what they give you - the destination
10:31 < dooglus> not after the sub-parameters - the inputs
10:32 < dooglus> so I was stuck for a name for that one - the only thing about it is it takes an integer...
10:32 < genete> I understand. Thanks for your pacience but I undesrtood it since the other day during the Index type discussion... 
10:32 < genete> ;)
10:33 < dooglus> calling it "Integer" means you have a 'real' parameter with type 'Integer' - it's better to see its type is "From Int", meaning it was generated from an integer
10:33 < dooglus> ok
10:33 < dooglus> and yes, it's deprecated anyway...
10:34 < dooglus> genete: is there some way to make a gradient by 'stripes' for half, and plain for the other half?
10:34 < dooglus> s/by/be/
10:35 < genete> dooglus: the "_" before some words (File, Edit, View, etc) means that the first letter is used for a short cut?
10:35 < genete> I mean in studio.po file
10:35 < dooglus> genete: the _ goes before the short cut
10:35 < dooglus> so Fi_le with make the 'l' the shortcut
10:35 < dooglus> s/with/will/
10:36 < genete> how to maintain the shortcuts meanfull?
10:36 < dooglus> genete: this is for menus I think, and only menus
10:36 < dooglus> genete: it's what letter gets underlined in the menu entry
10:36 < genete> in spanigh Open is "Abrir" and ALT-A could interfere with some other menu entry
10:37 < genete> should I select the shortcuts when translate?
10:37 < dooglus> genete: I think so, yes
10:37 < genete> ok I'll, do my best
10:37 < dooglus> genete: I think you can have two 'A' shortcuts in the same menu.  pressing 'a' will just go from one to the other.
10:38 < genete> ok good to know
10:38 < genete> regarding to gradients.... do you mean at only one gradient layer?
10:38 < genete> or combining several or any effects?
10:39 < genete> maybe convert the gradient parameter into an Add and make one stripes and the other normal...?
10:40 < genete> can gradients be converted to Add? (?)
10:41 < dooglus> genete: say I have 2 gradients, and I want to use them end-to-end
10:41 < dooglus> like one on the inside of a curvegradient, and one on the outside
10:41 < dooglus> there's no Add convert, but if there was I'd expect them to add point-by-point
10:42 < dooglus> red--green + blue--black = magenta--green
10:42 < dooglus> I'm wanting something like:
10:42 < dooglus> red--green (stuck to) blue--black = red--green,blue--black
10:42 < dooglus> where each gradient is preserved, but shrunken
10:43 < dooglus> sub-params: left, right, mid-point (0 through 1)
10:43 < dooglus> left & right are gradients, mid-point is real
10:43 < genete> what's midpoint for?
10:44 < dooglus> it's to say what fraction of the result each gradient takes up
10:44 < dooglus> I might want the left one to only be the first 10%, and the right one to use the other 90 of the result
10:44 < dooglus> it defaults to 0.5
10:45 < dooglus> I have a region.  I want to 'curve gradient' it.  I want the inside to be red stripes, and the outside to be blue stripes.  is it possible?
10:45 < genete> ok it is nice. It is like "glue" two gradients by its edges
10:45 < genete> hey!
10:45 < dooglus> yes.  I would call it "concatenate", but I don't know what would make it more understandable for an animator
10:45 < genete> can do it based on stripes one!
10:46 < dooglus> left and right can each be stripes gradients, yes.
10:46 < genete> no no
10:46 < dooglus> oh
10:46 < genete> I mean that the stripes one acts very similar
10:46 < genete> with the fixed 0.5 value and the left and right to be colors
10:47 < genete> but what if they are gradients?
10:47 < genete> you can set the number of stripes to only one to achieve the same effect of "glue" two gradients
10:47 < dooglus> oh, so change 'stripes' to have 'grad 1' and 'grad 2' instead of 'color 1'  and 'color 2'
10:48  * dooglus considers doing an english translation of synfig :)
10:48  * genete laugh out loud
10:48  * genete laughs out loud
10:48 < dooglus> it wouldn't be much work - just correct "color" to "colour" and it's finished?
10:49 < genete> also add the midpoint thing
10:49  * dooglus can win the studio race with genete :)
10:49 < genete> I don't remember stripes params. Maybe it is alredy there
10:50 < dooglus> stripes are symmetrical though
10:50 < dooglus> left-right symmetrical
10:50 < dooglus> the resulting gradient is always the same backwards as forwards
10:51 < genete> If you add a midpoint parameter you can achieve this:
10:51 < dooglus> there is a width parameter already
10:51 < genete> ****--****--****--
10:52 < dooglus> which is almost the same thing
10:52 < genete> ah
10:52 < genete> ok
10:52 < dooglus> with 3 stripes, I get:
10:52 < dooglus> --***----***----***--
10:52 < dooglus> with 1 stripe I get:
10:52 < dooglus> ------*********------
10:52 < dooglus> what I want:
10:52 < dooglus> ---------********
10:53 < dooglus> a new parameter will fix it
10:53 < dooglus> which says where the strip lands
10:53 < dooglus> it currently lands in the middle
10:53 < genete> yes 
10:54 < dooglus> for 3 stripes, the gradient is split into 3:
10:54 < dooglus> -------|-------|-------
10:54 < dooglus> and then the color is added to the middle of each of the 3 parts:
10:54 < dooglus> --***--|--***--|--***--
10:55 < dooglus> the width says how wide each stripe is - the new parameter says where it starts?  or where its center is?
10:55 < dooglus> hmm
10:55 < genete> you need to see the code to know that
10:55 < dooglus> I didn't write it yet
10:55 < genete> the current code
10:55 < dooglus> maybe just using a 'gradient rotate' is enough
10:55 < genete> tells you how is done now
10:57 < Nahztu> If I uninstall, then install Synfig again can I get rid of my creation files?
10:58 < dooglus> Nahztu: I expect if you uninstall and then completely delete the synfig directory, the creation folder will go as well
10:58 < genete> dooglus: yes and set the displacement to 0.25 and achieve what you want.
10:58 < dooglus> Nahztu: you can use synfig to copy the ones you want
10:58 < dooglus> genete: nearly.  but curvegradient uses gradients past the end (> 1.0)
10:59 < Nahztu> Do I have to delete the Synfig Dir in Command, or do you mean by explorer?
10:59 < genete> dooglus: Use the loop parameter then?
10:59 < dooglus> Nahztu: I mean by explorer
10:59 < dooglus> genete: that loops the whole gradient
10:59 < Nahztu> Great, thought so, I'll try that.
11:00 < dooglus> Nahztu: it's possible that explorer will complain about the weird creations folder though
11:00 < dooglus> Nahztu: it's worth a try isn't it
11:00 < Nahztu> Does anyone know how to get rid of ijji Firefox Launcher 1.0?
11:00 < dooglus> ijji?
11:00 < dooglus> nope, never heard of it
11:01 < Nahztu> It's a strange question, but my programs won't delete/uninstall it.
11:01 < Nahztu> NHN USA, Publisher.
11:02 < genete> dooglus: you're right the Stripes gradient seems not to be useful for the "Glue" gradient feature.
11:03 < dooglus> genete: we have 'repeat gradient' too
11:03 < genete> I'm looking at it :)
11:06 < genete> repeat gradient seems more versatile
11:07 < dooglus> again though, it only repeats between 0 and 1
11:07 < dooglus> after 1 it is constant
11:08 < dooglus> new parameters "keep repeating after end"?
11:08 < genete> I mean that you can change the Initial color and the end color to gradients.
11:08 < dooglus> ... before beginning
11:08 < genete> so you have three gradients concatenated
11:09 < genete> only need to add a parameter to specify where the gradient lays
11:09 < genete> now it seems to be always 0.5
11:09 < dooglus> genete: I think I want the inside of the curve gradient to be a gradient looped forever, and the outside to be a different gradient looped forever
11:10 < dooglus> genete: where is it 0.5?  in 'stripes'?
11:10 < genete> I mean that changing the Thikness param form repeat grad don't displace it only rotates
11:11 < dooglus> what is that width parameter for?
11:12 < genete> Sorry Witdh yes. I see it translated.
11:12 < genete> It seems that it should have a different name like rotation.
11:13 < dooglus> ok
11:13 < genete> because it is truncated to [0.0,1.0]
11:13 < dooglus> with a count of 1 it is clearer
11:13 < pabs3> genete: committed your translation update
11:13 < genete> pabs3: fine!
11:13 < dooglus> then width 0.5 gives a result of grad(0)..grad(1)..grad(0)
11:14 < dooglus> width 0.1 gives grad(0).grad(1).........grad(0)
11:14 < dooglus> ie. repeat gradient plays the gradient forward then backwards, over and over, and width decides how to split the two parts
11:14 < dooglus> width 0 means only backwards, width 1 means only forwards
11:15 < dooglus> somebody should document all this :)  ( http://synfig.org/Convert#Repeat_Gradient )
11:16 < genete> lots of combinations can be done with gradients.... 
11:16 < dooglus> yes, but still not enough to get the effect I want
11:16 < dooglus> I can of course just use 2 separate curvegradient layers
11:17 < dooglus> one transparent on the inside and one transparent on the outside
11:17 < dooglus> can I?
11:18 < genete> better is use the two gradients. One onto the original region a other onto its inverted 
11:18 < Nahztu> I'm amazed to find this. It's like the creations folder grabbed onto my computer when I loaded Synfig for the first time, and planted a seed. With making new files in the creations folder it grew, and grew till it became a weird clingy flower. I just wish I understood it's process so I could destroy it, and get rid of my curiousity, maybe I'll see if other have had this happen with different folders?
11:18 < genete> and link the region and its inverted
11:20 < dooglus> genete: I don't like it.  what if the region is feathered?
11:20 < genete> Mmmm
11:20 < dooglus> Nahztu: how would you see?  they're invisible :)
11:22 < Nahztu> No, see "others" I meant to say. I mean to see if anyone else has seen this before.
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11:23 < dooglus> ah, right.  I was just doing the same.  I can't find any though.
11:24 < dooglus> hi Atrus
11:25 < Nahztu> If after I have deleted everything about Synfig, but the Creations... could have become corrupt at some time, and made it impossible for me to see it's directory? that folder "has" to exist on my computer, because it didn't go with the uninstall it seems.
11:25 < dooglus> Atrus[work]: do you have Windows Vista?
11:25 < Atrus[work]> hm... not yet.
11:26 < dooglus> Nahztu here made a folder using synfig studio on Vista.  when he uses the synfig file selector, he can see it, and it has lots of .sifz files he's saved.  when he uses windows explorer, the folder doesn't exist
11:26 < dooglus> he's told windows to show hidden and system files
11:26 < dooglus> he's tried dir/ah in a command prompt window
11:26 < dooglus> and attrib -h -s
11:26 < dooglus> I'm out of ideas!
11:27 < Nahztu> It actually tells me that the folder doesn't exist, but could the files still be in purgatory without the folder, and hidden very well somehow?
11:28 < dooglus> pxegeek said that he has the same behaviour in vista - that folders he creates using studio are invisible to windows
11:30 < Nahztu> Vista means "The visual percept of a region", but it loves to hid important folders... thanks Bill.
11:32 < dooglus> wow!
11:33 < genete> http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/Genete/synfig/twocurvedgradients.png
11:33 < genete> is that what you want?
11:34 < genete> external is perpendicular and looped
11:34 < genete> both regions are linked and one is inverted
11:40 < genete> pabs3: So to translate studio.po, should I run make po-update too at studio/po folder? I'm finding some old strings...
11:41 < dooglus> genete: no, I want the inside to be blue stripes forever, and the outside to be red stripes forever
11:41 < dooglus> genete: no perpendicular gradients
11:41 < genete> ok I'll change it
11:43 < dooglus> genete: I just noticed - gradients can't loop forever - it's just not something their definition lets them do
11:43 < genete> wait
11:50 < genete> http://www.darthfurby.com/genete/synfig/gradients-glued.sifz
11:50 < genete> I've made a fake jsut increasing the number of stripes and the thinkness of the curved gradient.
11:51 < genete> with that you can extend the external gradient so far away (not infinite)
12:02 < dooglus> genete: if you use feather, though, the blue leaks inside and the red leaks outside
12:02 < dooglus> genete: I think I'll leave this for now, and get back to the proper bugs :)
12:02 < dooglus> genete: what was it with the 'add' convert?
12:03 < genete> was what?
12:03 < dooglus> some bug?
12:03 < dooglus> you couldn't link something to LHS?
12:03 < genete> ah yes
12:03 < dooglus> what type do I export, and what type of add?
12:03 < genete> real to angle
12:04 < genete> export real
12:04 < genete> convert angle to add
12:04 < genete> and cannot link the LHS to the real
12:04 < dooglus> you can't connect the angle to the real even before conversion though can you?
12:06 < genete> yes I can if I convert the angle to linear for example
12:07 < dooglus> ok, I'll try
12:07 < genete> then the rate or the offset admits a real
12:07 < dooglus> I got a crash.
12:08 < dooglus> so I'll write the steps:
12:08 < dooglus> make a circle and a rotate layer
12:08 < dooglus> export the circle radius as 'r'
12:08 < dooglus> convert the rotate's 'amount' to 'linear'
12:09 < dooglus> select 'r' in children dialog and connect to amount's 'offset'
12:09 < dooglus> I get: "synfig/value.h:225: const T& synfig::ValueBase::get(const T&) const [with T = synfig::Angle]: Assertion `is_valid() && same_type_as(x)' failed."
12:10 < genete> http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/Genete/synfig/Angle-real.png
12:11 < dooglus> you don't use debugging
12:11 < dooglus> so you don't get assert() checking
12:11 < dooglus> that's the difference.
12:11 < genete> but it desn't crash
12:11 < dooglus> if you compile with debugging, an assert() fail causes a crash
12:12 < genete> and I haven't any error message...
12:12 < dooglus> no, the checking just isn't done if you don't have debugging
12:13 < dooglus> it does:
12:13 < dooglus> 		assert(is_valid() && same_type_as(x));
12:13 < dooglus> 		return *static_cast<const T*>(data);
12:13 < dooglus> the assert() does nothing for you
12:13 < dooglus> so it just casts the real to an angle, and works
12:14 < dooglus> ha
12:14 < dooglus> you can even connect a vector to an angle if you like...
12:19 < genete> converting the angle to a Scalar and set the link to 1.0 DEG and the link the real to the Scale
12:19 < genete> I discoverd it this morning
12:21 < dooglus> that works
12:21 < dooglus> but connecting using linear doesn't
12:21 < dooglus> it will connect, but the maths is all wrong
12:22 < genete> I've not checked it
12:22 < dooglus> link to the offset.  at t=0, result should be == offset
12:22 < dooglus> but it isn't
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12:33 < genete> http://www.darthfurby.com/genete/synfig/particle-demo-reel.avi
12:41 < ZanQdo> oh my
12:41 < ZanQdo> particles in synfig!
12:42 < genete> :)
12:44 < genete> hi ZanQdo! Did you have problems watching the video?
12:45 < ZanQdo> mm no
12:45 < genete> I was experimenting with the codecs...
12:45 < ZanQdo> VLC runs it fine
12:45 < ZanQdo> whats the codec
12:45 < ZanQdo> mplayer didnt run it btw
12:45 < genete> from ffmpeg it is a msmpe4v2
12:46 < genete> what I guess it means microsoft mpeg4 version 2 (divx5 I believe)
12:46 < genete> I hope youtube doesn't crappy it so much
12:48 < genete> ZanQdo: you're always in the IRC but don't speack so much... (?)
12:48 < ZanQdo> for youtube I have good luck using h264
12:48 < ZanQdo> I'm not much into 2D animatin
12:49 < ZanQdo> I'm a 3D animator
12:49 < ZanQdo> but Ive always liked 2D :p
12:49 < ZanQdo> so someday!
12:49 < ZanQdo> with sinfig!
12:49 < ZanQdo> synfig
12:50 < genete> anyway as 3D animator you can help on animation concepts or the GUI environment... 
12:50 < ZanQdo> sure
12:50 < ZanQdo> gladly
12:50 < genete> Cualquier ayuda es bievenida ;)
12:50 < ZanQdo> estoy a tu disposicion
12:50 < genete> je je
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13:18 < dooglus> mplayer plays it for me
13:19 < dooglus> it tells me:
13:19 < dooglus> Opening video decoder: [ffmpeg] FFmpeg's libavcodec codec family
13:19 < dooglus> Selected video codec: [ffmp42] vfm: ffmpeg (FFmpeg M$ MPEG-4 v2)
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13:31 < pabs3> genete: yeah, do update-po every time you svn update
13:32 < pabs3> genete: that particle things is a really good demo
13:33 < genete> pabs3: ok I'll update synfig.po berfore translate.
13:34 < genete> pabs3: thanks. I'll create a new wiki page because it is now quiat different since Duplicate Layer is live
13:41 < genete> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJV3xMP24fc
13:43 < dooglus> is the .sifz available?
13:43 < genete> sure!
13:43 < dooglus> it's looking great now
13:45 < genete> http://www.darthfurby.com/genete/synfig/particle-show.sifz
13:45 < genete> thanks dooglus :)
13:47 < genete> I have to clean it and release as the new version.
13:47 < dooglus> it's very complex isn't it!
13:48 < genete> tell it to me! ha!
13:48 < genete> And I want to add rotate to follow the path
13:48 < dooglus> it's good to see all my recent changes being used though
13:49 < genete> I only need the formulas of the velocity and add a rotate layer...
13:49 < genete> particles are possible because you did the improvements
13:49 < genete> I only put the maths
13:51 < genete> need to go...
13:51 < dooglus> ok
13:51 < genete> bye!
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14:35 < genete> back again...
14:36 < genete> dooglus: have you seen the particle-demo.sifz file?
14:38 < genete> Did you see the widgets paste canvas? ...I hope you unserdstand now why I want the option to see a layer but not render it.
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14:41 < dooglus> genete: I saw it, yes.  which layer don't you want to render?  oh, the controls?
14:41 < dooglus> you want them in the preview (canvas window) but not the .avi
14:41 < genete> yes
14:42 < genete> but don't want to set its visibility on/off everytime I want to make a render
14:45 < genete> I found dooglus duplicate! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7641EIhW5Q0 
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14:48 < Zelgadis> Hi!
14:48 < genete> hi Zelgadis
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15:17 < genete> translating: "Init Dock Manager..." ... "Dock"? or should be "Duck" ??
15:18 < genete> or Doc?
15:22 < KiBi> pabs3: I'll have a look later at #440897, poke me again ;)
15:25 < rore> genete: Dock is the name of the various dialog widgets 
15:26 < genete> hi rore
15:26 < genete> ah yes
15:26 < genete> how did you translate it to french?
15:27 < rore> genete: that part isn't very important, that's what is displayed on the console when synfig is launched. I'm not even sure it should be translated. It might make bug report less clear, if someone paste that part :]
15:28 < genete> I think it is shown in the logo  dialog meanwhile loading.
15:28 < rore> As dock where mostly "tabs" in synfig, I used the translation for tab. That's also the term used in the translated GIMP documentation.
15:28 < genete> Anyway I'll do my best
15:30 < rore> hmm ... "Di?logos empotrables" ... that sounds funny :) 
15:30 < rore> (taken from http://docs.gimp.org/es/gimp-concepts-docks.html )
15:31 < genete> "Duckable" Dialogs .... Cuac!
15:31 < genete> \_/?<
15:31 < rore> hehehe :)
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16:40 < Zelgadis> Is there a way to see other keyframes, while editing current (like onionskin)
16:40 < Zelgadis> ?
16:47 < genete> Mmm... not in the same canvas I think. 
16:47 < CIA-37> synfig: pabs * r1292 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/render.cpp: By default, set "Use current frame" in the render dialog to off.
16:47 < CIA-37> synfig: dooglus * r1293 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/state_polygon.cpp: Fix 1866422: the polygon tool was broken by r1230. This fixes it.
16:47 < CIA-37> synfig: pabs * r1294 /synfig-core/trunk/po/es.po: Espa?ol translation update from Carlos L?pez Gonz?lez (Genete)
16:48 < genete> :) spanish studio translation is 43% done!
16:51 < rore> \o/ genete \o/
16:51 < genete> :)
16:51 < genete> need to go again...
16:51 < genete> goooooooooo!
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16:57 < MangoFusion> anyone in here ever hot the fmod / audio stuff working?
16:57 < MangoFusion> *got
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17:07 < Nahztu> Yo all!
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17:25 < Zelgadis> Hi!
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17:38 < Nahztu> What does "non-indexed" mean on a computer?
17:40 < MangoFusion> it means
17:40 < MangoFusion> data which has not been indexed
17:40 < Nahztu> Could that data, not been indexed also not be seen?
17:41 < Zelgadis> yes, if it's about searching
17:41 < Nahztu> Thanks
17:41 < MangoFusion> yup
17:42 < Nahztu> Could a folder made with another program become non-indexed, and if so could the person searching for that file be unable to find it?
17:43 < Zelgadis> You lost some file?
17:53 < Nahztu> Hahaha! not exactly. I can delete anything I have made in Synfig, so I thought I could just find the folder that the files were in, but I couldn't. I search my computer for the folder, but it tells me it doesn't exist, so I don't know what happened. I tried getting rid of everything, uninstalling, and deleting everything that had to do with Synfig, and when I installed everything again my stuff came with it. pxegeek said he never saw thi
17:53 < Nahztu> on windows xp, but well Vista is strange, and I don't know a lot about it. The main problem is that I don't have control over my files, and I want to know why.
17:57 < Zelgadis> Sorry, I'm Linux user
17:59 < Nahztu> Well, that's just it... it wouldn't bother me if I could even delete what I have inside of Synfig, but I guess there is no delete function when you go to open, or save as a file. It's not a big deal, but it would've been nice, heh.
18:06 < Nahztu> Hey, I found the folder.
18:06 < Nahztu> Whoa, I don't know if this is interesting, but the folder that I couldn't find was in a folder called "VirtualStore".
18:23 < Zelgadis> good night all
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20:45 < timonator> hello
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21:36 < dooglus> genete: "dock" is where ships go to load and unload their cargo.  and where the dialog windows go to get stuck together.  the dialogs "dock" together in a "dock" - it's a verb and a noun.  "the space or waterway between two piers or wharves, as for receiving a ship while in port"
21:36 < dooglus> "init" is short for "initialising"
21:36 < dooglus> hi timonator
21:37 < genete> hi dooglus
21:37 < genete> rore opened my mind
21:37 < genete> I've passed the "dock" problem :)
21:37 < genete> hi timonator ;
21:38 < Nahztu> Hey all!
21:38 < genete> dooglus: have you played with the particles file?
21:38 < dooglus> genete: I've not had a chance to yet, no
21:38 < genete> ok
21:38 < dooglus> hi Nahztu; so you found your mystery folder eventually?
21:39 < genete> hi Nahztu
21:39 < dooglus> rore: did you consider translating "duck" more literally?
21:39 < dooglus> rore: oh, and how do you say "vu", as in "deja vu"?
21:39 < timonator> woo
21:40 < Nahztu> Yep, I did an advanced search for "Creations" and I found it in appdata, through a long string of locations till finally it was in a folder called VirtualStore.
21:41 < genete> Nahztu: I believe that the Creations folder was created by the one who packaged your synfig version. 
21:42 < genete> Nahztu: It seems that Vista doen't allow "non registered programs" to create their own folders and then it places them into that VirtualStore. 
21:43 < Nahztu> Ah, well I'm just glad to know what happened.
21:43 < genete> (I'm guessing...)
21:44 < Nahztu> I figured it put certain files, and folders in virtual memmory so it could save space, or something, and as it wouldn't exist completely on the computer it could still be used within the program itself.
21:45 < dooglus> Nahztu: did you make up that name?  "Creations"?
21:46 < Nahztu> Actually, from what I used in the first, and I think the new version it's not possible to create folders with Synfig, and I never made any separate files outside of Synfig, so that folder most likely came from the old version of Synfig.
21:49 < Nahztu> Hmm..., ok strike that. The "save" function allows to make folders within Synfig, but I didn't make "Creations", I just save to its default, and that folder happened to be it.
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22:01 < rore> dooglus: no litteral translation for duck, no. 
22:01 < genete> rore: after dooglus explanations and read the Ducks wiki page I decided to call them "patos" ;)
22:02 < rore> dooglus: and for "vu as in deja vu" ...that's "vu" ... but I'm not sure I understood the question. 
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22:03 < rore> genete: hehe :) I'm pretty sure the metalic weight traditionaly used are called "poids" (=weight) in French. So no \_o< here :) 
22:03 < genete> but "peso" is as weird as "pato" ;)
22:04 < MangoFusion> quack quack!
22:05 < rore> genete: yep, that's why I used the term "handle" :) 
22:05 < genete> At the beggining I thought that "ducks" did come from see all the small circles as ducks swiming in a pond... lol
22:07 < genete> Anyway change its meaning is as easy as: Replace "pato"  by "asa" and yes to all...
22:10 < dooglus> rore: the question is, how do you *say* "vu"?  what does it sound like?  does it rhyme with "moo"?  or "key"?  or anything english word at all?
22:12 < rore> as far as I know, there's no english word with the sound "u". It's the same sound as the "?" in "?ber" in german. I don't know other language example. 
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22:14 < genete> dooglus: I think the most close one is the double "o" like in "voodoo"
22:16 < rore> hm, not really :) 
22:16 < genete> rore: ok just guessing :)
22:18 < rore> I wish I knew more languages :) (And I don't know German, exept for that word, "?ber" :D ) 
22:19 < MangoFusion> funny thing is that i did german as a subject when i was still at school
22:19 < KiBi> rore: :)
22:19 < MangoFusion> but i really lost interest in it
22:19 < MangoFusion> and to top it off i was in the worst class
22:19 < MangoFusion> though now i am much more interested
22:20 < MangoFusion> but its kind of at the wrong time
22:20 < MangoFusion> would be nice to be able to talk to the relatives for instance ;)
22:21 < rore> "Ich iz wery pleased to mit you" 
22:22 < MangoFusion> there was always a bunch of clowns in the class that that said things like that
22:22 < MangoFusion> haha
22:23 < MangoFusion> (as well as the stereotypical nazi salutes i might add)
22:23 < rore> heh, less fun
22:24 < genete> dooglus: "Squared" from the falloff function of the feather of the circle layer means "square root" function?
22:24 < MangoFusion> what about you, rore? what do you speak apart from english and one word of german?
22:24 < rore> I remember reading some people making fun of others accents, and spellings things that way. But I don't remember if it was for the french or the german accent :)
22:25 < rore> MangoFusion: French, English and 10 words of Spanish :]
22:25 < genete> "una cervecita por favor"
22:25 < MangoFusion> i did spanish for a year, but can only count from 1 to 10 and apart from that i can only remember "y"
22:25 < MangoFusion> great education!
22:26 < dooglus> Nahztu: I found something about the virtual folders in Vista: http://www.synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=85#85
22:26 < rore> genete: yeah. The bad thing is that I don't really like beer :]
22:27 < dooglus> rore: ah... http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/34/Fr-d%C3%A9j%C3%A0_vu.ogg
22:29 < dooglus> genete: there's 'squared' and 'square root' as 2 different types...
22:29 < dooglus> 		.add_enum_value(FALLOFF_SQUARED,"squared",_("Squared"))
22:29 < dooglus> 		.add_enum_value(FALLOFF_SQRT,"sqrt",_("Square Root"))
22:29 < genete> I've noticed
22:29 < genete> but the first .... what is mathematically speaking?
22:29 < dooglus> 	//squared proportional falloff
22:29 < rore> dooglus: heh, the ogg seems broken here :/ (I only have a kind of "je" sound)
22:30 < MangoFusion> same 'ere
22:30 < dooglus> vs. //linear distance falloff, then take the square root of it
22:30 < genete> dooglus: ok
22:31 < dooglus> genete: 'SQUARED' is return 1.0 - (c.outer_radius_sqd - mag_sqd) / c.diff_sqd;
22:31 < rore> ah wait, it plays fine in another player
22:32 < dooglus> genete: sqrt is return sqrt(( c.outer_radius - sqrt(mag_sqd) ) / c.double_feather);
22:32 < genete> dooglus: nice, thanks
22:32 < dooglus> genete: there's inverse versions of each too.  see modules/mod_geometry/circle.cpp
22:33 < dooglus> search for Circle::SqrtFalloff
22:48 < Nahztu> Is this an Art comunity? or strictly Synfig related, and if so does anyone know where I can get Writing critique?
22:59 < genete> Cool string: "Unable to determine how to proceed. This is a bug" lol
23:12 < MangoFusion> Nahztu: i'm sorry, but that sentence lacked proper grammar, so i think i will have to give you a critique score of 1
23:12 < MangoFusion> :)
23:15 < Nahztu> Nice :P hahaha!
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