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00:03 < Nahztu> I made a half of a figure, if I copied that half is there an option to switch it horizontally to make the other half semetrical?
00:03 < genete> Mmmm .... use the mirror tool? :P
00:04 < Nahztu> Really, that's what it's for then? that would make sense. I can't find any option to transform the image horizontally.
00:05 < Nahztu> Thanks for that!
00:07 < genete> Check out the Tool options dialogue. It has a checkbox to select vertical or horizontal mirror.
00:08 < genete> it is close to the pallete and below the navigator.
00:08 < Nahztu> Gotcha thanks :D
00:10 < Nahztu> How do I link separate peices?
00:11 < genete> In which sense?
00:11 < genete> I mean it depends on what you want to link
00:12 < Nahztu> Linking Polygons, glue them... I just tried linking that way, and the two things I wanted to link dissapeared?
00:12 < Nahztu> Simplified, to make two layers into one.
00:13 < genete> samke knid of layers?
00:13 < genete> kind
00:13 < Nahztu> Yep
00:13 < genete> but you'll see only one of them, the other should be behind...
00:13 < genete> or you want to join its edges...?
00:14 < Nahztu> I think I meant join, heh.
00:14 < Nahztu> I see what link does.
00:14 < genete> Have you used Blines yet?
00:15 < genete> I continue watching your polygonal art in the forum...
00:15 < Nahztu> Hahaha, sorry if it annoys you. I didn't mean to bore the community. :P
00:16 < Nahztu> I have used blines, but this is just for my Avatar. I'm trying to connect Polygons, is that possible?
00:16 < genete> Oh it don't bore me! 
00:16 < genete> for sure
00:16 < Nahztu> I know I kid, heh.
00:16 < genete> http://synfig.org/Sewing_BLines that's a tutorial I did for Blines. You can use it for Polygons easily
00:17 < genete> but it is advanced 
00:17 < genete> I'll explain you the basics
00:17 < genete> here
00:17 < genete> 1) Draw your favourite polygons
00:17 < genete> 2) Select both layers
00:18 < genete> using CTRL +click
00:18 < genete> 3) be sure that none duck is selected (click far away from them in the main window)
00:18 < genete> 4) CRTL + click over one of the ducks (form one polygon)
00:19 < genete> 5) CTRL + click over other duck (fro the other polygon)
00:19 < genete> 6) Right click over one of them. Then Link
00:19 < genete> :)
00:24 < Nahztu> Is it possible to combine layers to make one layer?
00:25 < genete> one layer <->one primitive
00:25 < genete> but you can encapsulate them
00:25 < genete> it means that they acts as if they were in a separated canvas
00:26 < genete> select some layers at the same time and right click over one of them 
00:26 < genete> "Encapsulate"
00:26 < genete> you'll ontain a Inline Canvas layer 
00:26 < genete> obtain
00:30 < pabs3> dooglus: what was the problem with the server once it came back up?
00:31 < genete> hi pabs3  ;)
00:31 < pabs3> morning :)
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00:39 < pabs3> genete: those snail shells are really nice
00:40 < genete> ah thanks!
00:40 < genete> I think I'll upload them to the gallery... are good examples?
00:43 < pabs3> yeah
00:44 < genete> I want to to work a little more the background
00:44 < pabs3> ok
00:46 < genete> ...but now I'm with January pxegeek TShirt's Challenge...
00:49 < pxegeek> Yes - let's see those entries!  
00:50 < pxegeek> Genete's going to win by default at this rate!
00:50 < genete> he he
00:51 < genete> pxegeek: gues the theme?
00:51 < genete> guess
00:52 < pxegeek> Shells?  Star fishes?
00:52 < genete> I have two on mind and one of them is totally original. 
00:52 < genete> the other is "guessable"
00:53 < pxegeek> Life's a beach, Delilah?
00:53 < pabs3> :)
00:54 < genete> :)
01:04 < KiBi> Life's a breach.
01:04  * KiBi thinks of funny combinaisons involving beach, breach, bitch and so on.
01:05 < genete> ... and breasts... =)
01:10 < genete> pxegeek: why did you set the fps to 6 in the T-Shirt template? To reduce gif size?
01:20 < pxegeek> Yes - it's hardly high speed action....
01:20 < pxegeek> afk - biab
02:23 < genete> Good bye Delilah!!!!
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02:46 < pabs3> rore / genete: have you noticed any more text that needs marking for translation? 
03:35 < dooglus> pabs3: mysql didn't come up.
03:37 < pabs3> ah, it wasn't set to run on startup, fixed that
03:38 < pabs3> (fixed with chkconfig --level 2345 mysqld on)
03:52  * pabs3 grrs at hard-to-reproduce crashes with a combination of draw tool & undo
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04:28 < pabs3> wow, I didn't think the crashes were still this bad
05:10 < pabs3> dooglus: is synfig more crashy with --enable-debug?
05:10 < pabs3> studio I mean
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05:59 < Zelgadis> Hi!
05:59 < pabs3> hi Zelgadis 
06:00 < Zelgadis> Hi, pabs3!
06:00 < pabs3> is it possible to create a region with a hole in it?
06:00 < pabs3> ah, alpha over looks like it
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06:02  * pabs3 bbl
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08:24 < Zelgadis> pabs3?
08:24 < Zelgadis> are you here?
08:25 < Zelgadis> take a look to http://synfig.org/WikiTranslation - I wrote what I want from multilanguage extension for Media Wiki
09:23 < pabs3> Zelgadis: I was out, back now. looks good to me, I probably won't get time to look at it until next week, got a busy weekend coming up
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10:32 < genete> pabs3: Still been there som untranslated but did not take note where. I'll open a list
10:33 < pabs3> thanks
10:33 < genete> morning btw
10:33 < genete> |O
10:33 < pabs3> hmm, http://synfig.org/ListImporter isn't linked from anywhere, I guess it should go on the categorical help page?
10:33 < pabs3> morning :)
10:34 < genete> I think It should go to the Layers page 
10:34 < genete> Ah! it is not a layer
10:35 < pabs3> any ideas for the other lonely pages? http://synfig.org/Special:Lonelypages
10:36 < pabs3> (Comments isn't yet working)
10:36 < pabs3> timonator: I guess PictureTutorial can be deleted, or did you regain the content?
10:38  * pabs3 continues cleaning Main_Page
10:44 < genete> http://synfig.org/Window_Manager_Hints should go to http://synfig.org/Synfig_Core_options
10:44 < genete> or something similar but for studio
10:44 < pabs3> dooglus: deleted everything from the old layout that wasn't in the new layout. the remaining ones are linked from portals or other pages linked from Main_Page
10:45 < pabs3> dooglus: what do you think about just removing them?
10:47 < Zelgadis> pabs3: Oh, I have daysleep, now I'm back :)
10:47  * Zelgadis yawning
10:54 < pabs3> :)
10:55 < Zelgadis> pabs3: OK, I leave this for now. BTW, I removed one statement, because of which it will be hard to edit new pages
10:55 < Zelgadis> Ooopps, i meant not 'edit', but 'create'!
10:56 < pabs3> ok
11:02  * pabs3 bbiab
11:37 < genete> here are some untranslated:
11:37 < genete> 1) All Layers have Default name in english
11:37 < genete> 2) Most of the actions of the History dialog are in english. By the way it should be more speciphic. The string "Add Layer" should tell what was added to know what to Undo / Redo 
11:37 < genete> 3) The JMP text at the History dialog
11:37 < genete> 4) The JMP text at the Keyframes Dialog.
11:37 < genete> 5) The types at the Type column of the child dialog are not translated for non converted types (real, integer,vector, bool, angle, color, segment, bline_point, list...)
11:39 < genete> 6) "Edit waypoint" from the right click over a waypoint
11:40 < genete> 7) <Inline Canvas>
11:42 < Zelgadis> genete, Why "Edit waypoint" isn't translated?
11:43 < genete> Because I did not find it in the translation file studio.pot
11:44 < genete> that's why I telling pabs3 or dooglus to mark them as translatable
11:44 < Zelgadis> Understand. :)
11:49 < genete> 8) The question dialog when the file aready exists with the same name is in english.
12:17 < dooglus> Nahztu: 0.61.07 is svn r878.  the bug you saw was fixed in r1167.  we're now on r1299.
12:18 < genete> hi dooglus :)
12:21 < dooglus> pabs3: --enable-debug just means that the assert() checks are done.  they abort() if they fail, so yes.
12:21 < pabs3> ok, so the bugs are still there, they just show up earlier with debug
12:25 < pabs3> dooglus: about #5 in genete's list above - I think you added the Type column, is that right?
12:25 < dooglus> pabs3: so long as they're reachable, get rid of them I guess.
12:25 < dooglus> pabs3: the remaining old wiki links, I mean
12:25 < pabs3> ok
12:27 < dooglus> genete: hi.  sorry for the delay - I've been catching up from last night.
12:28 < genete> fine
12:28 < dooglus> pabs3: for instance, if you try to link a color to an angle, with debugging it will fail immediately, failing an assertion (same_type_as()), but without debug, you just get a nonsense value, as one object is interpreted as another
12:29 < dooglus> pabs3: I did, yes.  are you working through his list or shall I:?
12:29 < pabs3> I did the easy ones, about to commit - 1, 2 and 5 are remaining
12:31 < pabs3> dooglus: if you could look at 1 and 5 that'd be good, I'll work through the actions
12:32 < CIA-37> synfig: pabs * r1300 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/ (5 files): Mark some more strings for translation (thanks to genete)
12:33 < dooglus> ok
12:33 < dooglus> I never get the *good* commit numbers :(
12:34 < pabs3> :)
12:34 < genete> I beliebe that there are more strings not translated but they are mainly from the console info (what should be removed in the future...)
12:35 < dooglus> I don't think they matter
12:35 < pabs3> yeah, IIRC we thought those are low priority and mainly aimed at developers
12:35 < dooglus> mostly the only use for console output is for pasting into bug reports (if that)
12:35 < genete> what means IIRC?
12:35 < pabs3> IIRC = "if I remember correctly"
12:37 < genete> =) THKS
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12:50 < pabs3> sweet, fixed the actions bug
12:52 < dooglus> pabs3: do you remember why we don't translate layer local names before adding them to the Book?
12:52 < pabs3> wasn't there a crash or something?
12:52 < pabs3> I seem to get the translated layer names on the new layer menu fine here
12:52 < dooglus> pabs3: in the layer dialog, edit a layer name to be the empty string
12:53 < dooglus> pabs3: then it will show you the name in english
12:53 < dooglus> because of layergrouptreestore.cpp saying:
12:53 < dooglus>             if(!layer->get_description().empty())
12:53 < dooglus>                 x.set(layer->get_description());
12:53 < dooglus>             else
12:53 < dooglus>                 x.set(layer->get_local_name());
12:53 < pabs3> ah
12:53 < dooglus> layer->get_local_name() gives us the english local name, because of the crash-avoidance mentioned just now
12:54 < dooglus> each layer has:
12:54 < dooglus> SYNFIG_LAYER_SET_LOCAL_NAME(Circle,N_("Circle"));
12:54 < dooglus> the N_ means not to translate just yet, right?
12:54 < pabs3> correct
12:57 < dooglus> removing the N gives a compile error:
12:57 < dooglus> layer_motionblur.cpp:56: error: initializer fails to determine size of 'synfig::Layer_MotionBlur::local_name__'
12:57 < genete> I want to create a patch for the Time icon. What should I do?
12:58 < dooglus> genete: upload the edited .sifz file to a new report in the patch tracker
12:58 < genete> ok
12:58 < genete> but all the files icons are sif shouldn't be sifz instead?
12:59 < pabs3> leave as sif is fine
12:59 < genete> so I'll upload as sif
12:59 < genete> I use Duplicate Layer, is it bad?
12:59 < dooglus> I converted the examples to sifz because they were big
13:00 < dooglus> genete: so long as it doesn't take 2 hours to render, that's fine
13:00 < genete> ha ha
13:00 < genete> it is 128x128 size
13:00 < dooglus> genete: I showed your particle demo to darco last night.  he was very impressed :)
13:00 < genete> and the dup is only 24 times a small rectangle
13:00 < genete> yeah!
13:01 < pabs3> cool :)
13:02 < genete> http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/Genete/time_icon.png that's how it looks...
13:02 < dooglus> genete: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/synfig/darco.txt
13:02 < dooglus> genete: what do we use at the moment?  I see no icon for time at all?
13:02 < CIA-37> synfig: pabs * r1301 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/synfigapp/ (action.h action.cpp): Fix bug that prevented the translations of actions showing up in the history dialog.
13:03 < genete> none
13:03 < genete> it is empty
13:03 < genete> what's why I did this one
13:03 < dooglus> ok
13:03 < dooglus> good
13:06  * pabs3 goes bah at layers
13:06 < genete> so can I include Duplicate at the icon?
13:08 < dooglus> genete: yes
13:08 < genete> fine. send the patch then
13:08 < dooglus> genete: Duplicate will be in the next release, so we can use it
13:08 < dooglus> genete: just upload it to your website if that's easier
13:08 < dooglus> genete: I can grab it from there
13:08 < pabs3> genete: btw, icons should follow the tango style guidelines: http://tango.freedesktop.org/Tango_Icon_Theme_Guidelines and maybe look like the artlibreset: http://tango.freedesktop.org/ArtLibreSet
13:09 < genete> pabs3: ok I'll check that
13:09 < dooglus> pabs3: this fixes the layer name thing:
13:09 < dooglus>  String
13:09 < dooglus>  Layer::get_local_name()const
13:09 < dooglus>  {
13:09 < dooglus> -       return get_param("local_name__").get(String());
13:09 < dooglus> +       return dgettext("synfig",get_param("local_name__").get(String()).c_str());
13:09 < dooglus>  }
13:09 < dooglus> pabs3: do we have a function to translate String objects?  or is converting to c_str() and back how we do it?
13:10 < pabs3> bah, changing EXPORT_NAME should work but it just causes crashes
13:14 < genete> pabs3: but this icon is for the params not for the tools. Like Real, Integer, bool, canvas, color etc. I feel they don't follow any rule. 
13:14 < pabs3> :) a karate video on google produced with synfig
13:14 < dooglus> genete: the toolbox is very wide in spanish
13:14 < dooglus> genete: because of the interpolation 'facile in/out'
13:15 < genete> dooglus: Ah yes
13:15 < dooglus> genete: the word used in the source for 'ease in/out' is "halt"
13:15 < genete> "F?cil E/S"
13:15 < dooglus> genete: maybe that makes for an easier translation?  I don't think 'ease' is very clear anyway.
13:16 < genete> I'll take note for the next translation session
13:16 < genete> halt = stop ins't it?
13:17 < dooglus> yes
13:17 < dooglus> we have TCB, CONSTANT, LINEAR, HALT
13:17 < dooglus> as the 4 types of interpolation
13:17 < dooglus> halt, as in the parameter's rate of change is zero at the waypoint
13:17 < dooglus> it is stopped
13:18 < dooglus> the graph is horizontal at that point
13:18 < genete> horisontal tangent ... mmmm
13:18 < genete> s/s/z
13:19 < genete> difficult to translate because "Parado" = Stop has different interpretation in spanish
13:19 < dooglus> pabs3: I see the crash too, when editing EXPORT_NAME
13:19 < dooglus> genete: "ease" isn't to do with "easy" really
13:20 < dooglus> genete: it's to do with "gentle" or similar
13:20 < dooglus> genete: like "easy does it", meaning "be gentle, do it slowly"
13:20 < genete> soft?
13:21 < genete> softly?
13:21 < dooglus> genete: I don't know if your "facile" means the same
13:21 < genete> facil = easy
13:21 < genete> soft = suave
13:21 < dooglus> genete: it's to do with no sudden movements, no violence
13:21 < genete> but smooth = suave too
13:21 < dooglus> genete: ie. it's stopped, and slowly starts moving...  (has a horizontal tangent, as you say)
13:22 < genete> I have problems with: Smooth tool, TCB and Ease in/out. Have to think about them.
13:22 < dooglus> genete: the dictionary tells me that "to ease" is "16.to move, shift, or be moved or be shifted with great care. "
13:23 < genete> dooglus, pabs3: so what style should we use for the parameters icons? they seems to be a mixture of styles now...
13:23 < dooglus> genete: pxegeek redesigned all the tool icons to be 'tango' style, but didn't touch the parameter icons
13:24 < dooglus> genete: if possible, it would be good to have all the icons in the same style - but things like "integer" and "real" are hard to represent with an icon aren't they?
13:25 < dooglus> genete: I think something clearer would help.  maybe just "123" and "1.23" for int and real?
13:25 < genete> yes something more readable would be good
13:34 < dooglus> pabs3: how about this?
13:34 < dooglus> #define EXPORT_NAME()if(param=="Name" || param=="name" || param=="name__") { return name__; } if(param=="local_name__") { return String(dgettext("synfig",local_name__)); }
13:36 < pabs3> if it works, that'd be fine
13:38 < dooglus> pabs3: what's the prototype for dgettext()?
13:39 < pabs3> manual page says: char * dgettext (const char * domainname, const char * msgid);
13:39 < dooglus> right
13:39 < dooglus> value.h doesn't know how to convert a char* to a ValueBase
13:40 < dooglus> only (const char*)
13:40 < dooglus> so this is enough to fix it:
13:40 < dooglus> #define EXPORT_NAME()if(param=="Name" || param=="name" || param=="name__") { return name__; } if(param=="local_name__") { return (const char *)(dgettext("synfig",local_name__)); }
13:40 < dooglus> cast the char* return to const char*
13:40 < pabs3> ok, cool
13:41 < dooglus> maybe a better fix would be to fix value.h to accept char* without the const qualifier
13:42 < pabs3> yeah, wouldn't be too hard either
13:42 < pabs3> you want to do it?
13:42 < dooglus> I'm trying to understand what was causing the crash
13:42 < dooglus> returning the char* was ending up giving us a 'bool' valuebase
13:42 < dooglus> where's the bool come from?
13:43 < pabs3> weirdness
13:43 < pabs3> compiler magic I guess
13:45 < pabs3> hmm return get_param("local_name__").get(String());
13:46 < dooglus> get_param() gives us a ValueBase
13:46 < dooglus> which is a union I think, of lots of different types
13:46 < dooglus> the get() tells it which type to use
13:46 < genete> I got it. There is a clock icon already done at the Tango library. I'll copy that for synfig.
13:46 < dooglus> it does an assert check that the type in the param is the same as the type we're expecting
13:46 < dooglus> but it isn't
13:47 < dooglus> we're expecting a string, but have a bool
13:47 < dooglus> hence the crash
13:50 < dooglus> here's where the bool is coming in:
13:50 < pabs3> nasty
13:50 < dooglus> synfig::ValueBase::_set<char*> (this=0xbfb8d458, x=@0xbfb8d3e8) at value.h:370
13:50 < dooglus> 370                     const Type newtype(get_type(x));
13:50 < dooglus> we have the template type T=(char*)
13:50 < dooglus> this is the source:
13:50 < dooglus>     template <typename T> void
13:50 < dooglus>     _set(const T& x)
13:50 < dooglus>     {
13:50 < dooglus>         const Type newtype(get_type(x));
13:50 < dooglus> it calls 'get_type(x)' where x is a char*
13:50 < dooglus> :
13:51 < dooglus> synfig::ValueBase::get_type () at /home/chris/programs/synfig/git/synfig-core/trunk/src/synfig/value.h:287
13:51 < dooglus> 287             static const Type get_type(bool) { return TYPE_BOOL; }
13:51 < dooglus> and somehow that's the version that runs
13:51 < dooglus> there are lots of overloaded definitions of get_type()
13:51 < dooglus> but it's the bool one that gets selected for some reason
13:51 < pabs3> I guess we're missing one for char*?
13:55 < pabs3> I'll let you at that, since I'm not familiar with the valuebase stuff
13:56 < pabs3> dooglus: btw, do you think the ValueBase/etc stuff could be used for setting parameters for the targets/importers?
13:57 < dooglus> yes, that's how all the parameters are implemented
13:57 < dooglus> I don't know if we need anything other than simple strings for target parameters though
13:58 < dooglus> I'll try just removing the 'const' from the prototype of the set(const char *) method
14:01 < pabs3> well, you could have bool - optimize gif/don't, enums - 8bit/16bit PNG
14:02 < dooglus> sure.  and integers and reals too
14:03 < pabs3> setting them from the synfig command-line would be the same as how params work in studio I guess - translate between strings and values (I'm guessing here)
14:04 < pabs3> hmm, I need beer
14:04 < dooglus> I've barely looked into the widgets in studio
14:05 < dooglus> each widget is responsible for doing its own conversion from text to ValueBase I think
14:05 < pabs3> mmmmmm, freezer beer
14:06 < pabs3> icy cold
14:06 < pabs3> ok. that would make sense since some widgets aren't plain-text
14:06 < pabs3> like colour/gradient
14:06 < dooglus> yes
14:14 < pabs3> dooglus: btw, cmd-line synfig uses fork on linux (doesn't on windows though)
14:17 < dooglus> pabs3: interesting.  why would the cmd-line version need to?
14:18 < pabs3> dunno, but it does :)
14:18 < dooglus> pabs3: it looks like adding a new non-const set() method to value.cpp fixes the problem
14:18 < pabs3> you mean get()?
14:18 < dooglus> I'm trying to read http://publib.boulder.ibm.com/infocenter/pseries/v5r3/index.jsp?topic=/com.ibm.xlcpp8a.doc/language/ref/overl.htm to learn how overloading gets done
14:19 < dooglus> no, I mean set().  it's called when you return the char* from a function that returns a ValueBase - the char* is implicitly cast to ValueBase
14:19 < dooglus> and the ValueBase constructor does:
14:19 < dooglus> 	template <typename T>
14:19 < dooglus> 	ValueBase(const T &x, bool loop_=false):
14:19 < dooglus> 		type(TYPE_NIL),data(0),ref_count(0),loop_(loop_)
14:19 < dooglus> 		{ set(x); }
14:19 < pabs3> oh, ok
14:29 < genete> http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/Genete/time_icon-1.png what about this?
14:30 < dooglus> genete: I'd prefer the minute hand to be longer, and rounded on the end.  almost touch the rim
14:30 < dooglus> genete: otherwise good
14:30 < dooglus> how's it look 24x24?
14:30 < genete> rim?
14:32 < dooglus> edge
14:33 < dooglus> the grey circle around the outside
14:35 < genete> http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/Genete/time_icon_24x24.png
14:35 < genete> http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/Genete/time_icon-2.png
14:36 < dooglus> nice
14:37 < genete> patch?
14:37 < pabs3> cool, lets add it!
14:38 < genete> http://www.darthfurby.com/genete/synfig/time_icon.sif
14:38 < dooglus> I've got it
14:40 < Zelgadis> Cool icon!
14:40 < genete> dooglus: can you download it? firefox dont let me
14:41 < genete> Zelgadis: it is just a copy of the current Tango one :( not my artwork.
14:42 < Zelgadis> Oh...
14:42 < Zelgadis> But i think "clock" sign fits much more than "alarm clock"
14:42 < genete> yes right
14:45 < genete> http://www.darthfurby.com/genete/synfig/time_icon.sifz for if the non compressed doesn't work
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14:46 < genete> s/for if/wether
14:47 < CIA-37> synfig: dooglus * r1302 /synfig-core/trunk/src/synfig/ (24 files): Made all the assert() lines which check the valuenode sub-parameter index range the same.
14:47 < CIA-37> synfig: dooglus * r1303 /synfig-studio/trunk/images/ (time_icon.sif Makefile.am): Add genete's new time icon.
14:47 < CIA-37> synfig: dooglus * r1304 /synfig-core/trunk/src/synfig/valuenode_composite.cpp: Removed a debugging printf().
14:48 < pabs3> we should probably mention genete in the README/AUTHORS now
14:49  * genete updating now ... :)
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14:54 < pabs3> dooglus: what do you think about a separate section in AUTHORS for artists? (I'm thinking of the icons and also the splash screen once we do gimp/inkscape-style contests for it)
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14:56 < genete> hi Velmont! :)
14:56 < Velmont> genete: Hello :-)
14:57 < genete> Velmont: Where are you from?
14:59 < dooglus> pabs3: that's a fine suggestion
14:59 < dooglus> genete: your icon won't be used yet
14:59 < dooglus> genete: I didn't check in the code change
14:59 < dooglus> genete: I want to test it first
15:02 < CIA-37> synfig: pabs * r1305 /synfig-studio/trunk/ (README AUTHORS): Mention genete in the README and AUTHORS after we added his time icon.
15:07 < Velmont> genete: Norway. - I saw Synfig was still active on LWN.net's weekly. I used Flash in the old days when I used Windows; and I tried Synfig for fun: but I've not time to make something for real. :-)
15:09 < pabs3> yay, glad people notice us in LWN
15:11 < pabs3> welcome to #synfig :)
15:11 < pabs3> meet the regulars: http://synfig.org/Meet_The_Regulars
15:12 < Velmont> pabs3: It's a smart thing to do.  Much of what I do is because there was a link from LWN.  I've cut out much of my own browsing, it takes too much time - so I'm kinda relying on LWN to keep me updated enough :P
15:13 < pabs3> :) I know the feeling, I read too many lists & rss feeds these days
15:16 < pabs3> ok, bedtime for me, gnite all
15:16 < Zelgadis> good night
15:17 < CIA-37> synfig: pabs * r1306 /synfig-studio/trunk/AUTHORS: Add a new artists section to AUTHORS and add pxegeek there and move genete there
15:17 < CIA-37> synfig: pabs * r1307 /synfig-studio/trunk/README: Add my copyright notice, since I seem to have forgot it.
15:20 < genete> dooglus: it is ok.
15:20 < genete> dooglus: not need to rush.
15:20 < dooglus> genete: it's done
15:20 < dooglus> genete: you'll have to do a full rebuild of everything
15:21 < dooglus> I changed a top level header to get the layer names translated
15:22 < genete> dooglus: fine. I'll check it
15:23 < genete> oh cool! the history is now in spanish...
15:24 < genete> BTW is it not possible to add an additional tag to the history log when you add or remove a layer ?
15:24 < genete> something like: "Add Layer - Circle"
15:24 < genete> instead a single "Add Layer" for most of the layers
15:32 < CIA-37> synfig: dooglus * r1308 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/iconcontroller.cpp: Sorted the cases in studio::value_icon() into the same order as the types appear in value.h.
15:32 < CIA-37> synfig: dooglus * r1309 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/iconcontroller.cpp: Added the icon for type Time to the code. Sorted the INIT_STOCK_ICON lines for the types.
15:32 < CIA-37> synfig: dooglus * r1310 /synfig-core/trunk/src/synfig/ (value.h value.cpp): Define ValueBase::set() for type 'char *' as well as for 'const char *'.
15:32 < CIA-37> synfig: dooglus * r1311 /synfig-core/trunk/src/synfig/layer.h: Return the translation of the local layer name, rather than always using the English version.
15:39 < genete> pabs3: good work with the wiki layout!
16:05 < genete> dooglus: it is strange... I'm svn r1311 but don't see the time icon...
16:05 < dooglus> genete: you'll need to do the whole build from scratch
16:05 < dooglus> do you see the .png file?
16:06 < genete> yes
16:07 < genete> erase the all the folders and rebuild all?
16:09 < genete> dooglus: you know that I use the trick to not rebuild everytime all the files. Maybe that?
16:09 < dooglus> genete: did the .png get made when you built?
16:09 < dooglus> or did you make it yourself
16:09 < dooglus> oh, it doesn't matter...
16:10 < genete> maybe it is my old one....
16:10 < genete> remove it and rebuild?
16:21 < genete> dooglus: forget it. I was in an earlier version in studio
16:22 < genete> now building
16:24 < dooglus> aah
16:28 < genete> dooglus: in the current tool box, all the different tool are mixed in the same tool bar. 
16:29 < genete> Mkaes sense gorup them in two like the file management related buttons
16:29 < dooglus> how do you split them?  what are the two groups to be?
16:29 < genete> I mean group the ones that add a layer and group the others that manipulate layers
16:30 < genete> BLine, Circle, Rectangle, Gradient, Polygon and Draw in one group
16:31 < genete> Normal, Smooth, Rotate, Scale, Mirror in other
16:31 < genete> and 
16:31 < genete> Eyedrop, Fill amd zoom in other
16:31 < dooglus> right, ok
16:31 < genete> and sketch
16:32 < Zelgadis> cool
16:32 < genete> this will allow add other tools like Checkboard, Solid color, Star, Plant, ...
16:32 < genete> and organize them properly
16:32 < Zelgadis> Maybe also make a little reorganization of "New Layer" menu
16:33 < genete> have any proposal Zelgadis ?
16:34 < Zelgadis> Place "Translate" and "Rotate" in the same group as "Warp" and "Stretch". Also I don't see any use of "Zoom" Layer - Stretch is fine replace for him
16:35 < genete> Zoom is like Stretch but porportional
16:36 < Zelgadis> I know... then mayge group them all together
16:36 < Zelgadis> It wass not obvious for me where to search for non-unbiform resize layer - Stretch
16:37 < Zelgadis> Honestly, only genete's example with T-Shirt helped me :)))
16:37 < genete> how did my example helped you? :?
16:38 < Zelgadis> I saw Warp layer! :)))
16:38 < Zelgadis> And then found Stretch in the ame gropup
16:38 < Zelgadis> *group
16:39 < genete> well, I used pxegeek's T-Shirt template so I only added the other stuff
16:40 < Zelgadis> Oh, my mistake!
16:42 < genete> cool! we have the time icon working!
16:42 < dooglus> genete: good.
16:43 < dooglus> I'm testing a change for the type names now too
16:43 < dooglus> another full rebuild, I'm afraid
16:43 < genete> :) my poor computer....
16:45 < dooglus> mine too
16:45 < genete> is there any other parameter missing icon ?
16:48 < genete> I think a Bline Point icon can be redefined ...
16:49 < dooglus> the others are all there
16:49 < genete> Evn list
16:49 < genete> even
16:49 < dooglus> except 'nil', which shouldn't ever be used
16:49 < dooglus> yes?
16:49 < dooglus> list_icon.sif
16:49 < genete> no I mean that list icon is odd. It can be mush more expressive
16:50 < genete> anyway that's work for other moment... need to go...
16:51 < dooglus> aah
16:52 < dooglus> the icons can all be improved
16:52 < dooglus> (except 'time', of course :) )
16:52 < dooglus> but 'real', 'int', etc
16:52 < Zelgadis> :)))
16:52 < dooglus> 'vector' is just a blob?
16:52 < genete> all them need a review...
16:52 < genete> bye!
16:53 < Zelgadis> Ah my god, pressing "delete" while editing text field deletes layer! It killing me!
16:53 < Zelgadis> bye, genete
16:53 < genete> dooglus: keep the work rithm!
16:53 < genete> dooglus: you're very productive lately!
16:53 < genete> :)
16:53 < dooglus> on and off, yes
16:53 < dooglus> I'll keep at it
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16:54 < Zelgadis> You both very productive...
17:05 < Zelgadis> Could I somehow connect angle to a vector?
17:08 < Zelgadis> Or determine angle of some bline segment?
17:13 < Zelgadis> Oh, yeah! 
17:13 < Zelgadis> Angle->aTan2->X,Y
17:13 < Zelgadis> Vrtex->Composite-> Cos(X), Sine(X)
17:14 < Zelgadis> Stop..
17:14 < Zelgadis> no
17:17 < CIA-37> synfig: dooglus * r1312 /synfig-core/trunk/src/synfig/value.cpp: New static member ValueBase::type_local_name() to allow translation of type names.
17:17 < CIA-37> synfig: dooglus * r1313 /synfig-core/trunk/src/synfig/value.h: Prototype to go with the last commit!
17:17 < CIA-37> synfig: dooglus * r1314 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/canvastreestore.cpp: Use the translated version of the type name in the parameter dialog.
17:17 < Zelgadis> Angle->aTan2->X,Y
17:17 < Zelgadis> Vertex->Composite->X,Y
17:17 < Zelgadis> Then link X with X and Y with Y
17:17 < Zelgadis> Whoa! It works!
17:20 < MangoFusion> *phew*, i nearly thought you'd have to get one of us to implement a fully featured scripting system to get it working. ;)
17:20 < timonator> what i've seen of this value construction language reminds me of lisp
17:21 < Zelgadis> I learned it from Genete's tutorials
17:21 < Zelgadis> But python scripting language would be nice - to do many boring things
17:21 < Zelgadis> ;)
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17:46 < Zelgadis> Another question: how to link tangent duck and position duck? ;)
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18:41 < Zelgadis> Good night all!
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20:02 < CIA-37> synfig: dooglus * r1315 / (30 files in 3 dirs): Use translated versions of the type names everywhere other than in the .sif(z) files.
20:17 < CIA-37> synfig: dooglus * r1316 /synfig-core/trunk/src/modules/mod_noise/valuenode_random.cpp: Make the assert()s here look like the assert()s in all the other ValueNode definitions.
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21:55 < genete> lots of commits.... a new (long) rebuild is needed...
22:00  * genete wondes what say all those synfig-user mail list messages in strange characters (russian?)
22:06 < dooglus> genete: I thought chinese
22:06 < dooglus> spam, no doubt
22:06 < genete> hi dooglus 
22:07 < genete> but some time ago there were some russian that were deleted but they were legal...
22:08 < genete> what's new in the latest commits dooglus ?
22:14 < dooglus> genete: the commit messages sum it up really
22:14 < genete> yeah
22:14 < dooglus> mostly translation stuff
22:14 < genete> silly question
22:14 < dooglus> fixing your numbered list from earlier
22:15 < genete> nice!
22:15 < genete> I think there is improvement room for several icons...
22:16 < genete> DEG, BLINE, CHILD, LIST, META, SEG, STR, ...
22:16 < dooglus> genete: the clock looks good
22:16 < genete> :)
22:17 < genete> I'm searching for something assimilable from tango icons or libre art set but cannot find for the mentioned
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22:25 < dooglus> genete: the 'curves' one is one I made in a couple of minutes without any thought, just because it was missing
22:26 < genete> it is not bad though
22:26 < dooglus> maybe a silhouette of a woman's curves would be better - a waistline or something stylised like that?
22:27 < genete> the current concept is correct: Two axis and a curve. it is OK. maybe do something with colors and contrast only
22:28 < genete> where is used the children_icon?
22:28 < genete> also I've never seen a canvas pointer.
22:31 < dooglus> the children icon is in the tab for the children dialog
22:31 < genete> ah yes
22:31 < dooglus> I've never seen the canvas pointer icon though no
22:31 < dooglus> I'll check if it's used
22:32 < genete> I think there is some coded not used because I notice strange situations when did the translation...
22:32 < dooglus> you have seen it
22:32 < dooglus> it's the type icon for 'canvas' params
22:32 < dooglus> so in every pastecanvas
22:33 < dooglus> left of the 'canvas' param
22:33 < dooglus> it's just too small to see well
22:36 < genete> yes it is
22:36 < genete> I never noticed it 
22:37 < genete> the "save as" icon is smaller the the "save" one is there any reason?
22:39 < dooglus> I've no idea
22:40 < dooglus> they're gtk stock icons?
22:40 < dooglus> so they depend on your gtk theme
22:41 < genete> I guess so
22:41 < dooglus> 	ADD_TOOLBOX_BUTTON(button_save,"gtk-save",_("Save"));
22:41 < dooglus> 	ADD_TOOLBOX_BUTTON(button_saveas,"gtk-save-as",_("Save as..."));
22:41 < genete> dooglus: I have a repeteable error message in the console that may cause other bugs.
22:42 < genete> if you have a file (not saved) where you have exported a canvas
22:42 < genete> if you close synfig and tell not to save when it ask
22:42 < dooglus> http://library.gnome.org/devel/gtk/2.12/gtk-Stock-Items.html
22:42 < genete> then I obtain this message:
22:43 < genete> synfig(11342) [22:41:12] error: 1 canvases not yet deleted!
22:43 < genete> synfig(11342) [22:41:12] error: 1 layers not yet deleted!
22:43 < dooglus> ok
22:43 < dooglus> interesting
22:43 < genete> and the number is the number of canvases /layers that were exported
22:43 < dooglus> I've seen them before, but didn't find how to repeat them
22:43 < dooglus> can you write a recipe in a bug report?
22:43 < genete> this message is after tell that the program has closed the app suscesfully
22:43 < genete> for sure
22:44 < genete> let me make it repeteable.
22:45 < genete> 1) File New. Default setiings
22:45 < genete> 2) New Circle
22:45 < genete> 3) Encapsulate
22:45 < genete> 4) Export canvas parameter
22:46 < genete> 5) close Synfigstudio
22:46 < genete> 6) Save? (no)
22:46 < genete> Application appears to have terminated successfully
22:46 < genete> synfig(14397) [22:45:15] error: 1 canvases not yet deleted!
22:46 < genete> synfig(14397) [22:45:15] error: 1 layers not yet deleted!
22:46 < genete> you obtain that
22:47 < genete> that's related with other bug I wrote 
22:48 < genete> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=1848018&group_id=144022&atid=757416
22:49 < genete> I think that the export canvas code has bugs and is causing some sparse crashes...
22:54 < dooglus> thanks
22:55 < dooglus> it's possible
22:55 < dooglus> although not deleting things shouldn't cause crashes
23:01 < dooglus> genete: did you add this one to the tracker?
23:02 < genete> no yet
23:02 < dooglus> ok
23:02 < dooglus> I'm still working on translation strings
23:03 < dooglus> did pabs fix all the other things you mentioned?
23:03 < dooglus> he left me #1 and #5 on your list
23:03 < genete> I'm not sure
23:03 < dooglus> ok
23:04 < genete> because being marked as translatable needs me to look into the pot file
23:04 < genete> but the history works properly now
23:04 < genete> more or less...
23:04 < dooglus> http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/translation-bugs.txt
23:06 < dooglus> I guess there will be new translations needed now, for type names at least
23:06 < genete> http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/Genete/synfig/Pantallazo-Historial.png
23:07 < genete> some text at the right of the arrow still beeing in english
23:07 < dooglus> some types are translated (boleano and entero, for example) but 'real', 'color', 'vector' aren't
23:07 < dooglus> I put the synfig.org/Types url in a comment next to the types - it should show up in the .po file
23:08 < genete> yes, they were not marked
23:08 < dooglus> so you can easily find the 13 types for translation
23:08 < dooglus> they're marked now
23:08 < dooglus> and commented as being types
23:08 < dooglus> just search org/Types
23:09 < genete> ok, I dont feel today so much translator... more icon fixer... ;)
23:09 < dooglus> 14 types, sorry.  forgot 'nil'...
23:09 < dooglus> ha
23:09 < dooglus> a busy man :)
23:09 < dooglus> words, icons, particles...
23:09 < genete> no more than you :)
23:13 < dooglus> genete: did you have to translate lots of error messages like "synfig::ValueNode_Scale:Bad type "?
23:13 < dooglus> one for each convert type?
23:14 < genete> in studio.pot?
23:14 < genete> no
23:15 < genete> string "Bad Type" only appears one time
23:15 < dooglus> ah, in core
23:16 < genete> checking
23:16 < genete> only two strings:
23:16 < dooglus> ok
23:16 < genete> Bad type for radialcomposite
23:16 < dooglus> I see
23:16 < dooglus> you would if you did the translation right now
23:16 < dooglus> I only recently added them
23:17 < dooglus> and now I'm about to get rid of them again
23:17 < dooglus> so don't worry...
23:17 < genete> and "Bad type for composite"
23:17 < genete> what about this one for angles: http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/Genete/synfig/angle_icon.png
23:18 < dooglus> yes, good
23:18 < dooglus> better than "DEG" :)
23:18 < genete> yah
23:19 < genete> I like so much that synfig build its own synfigstudio png icons. It is quite cool!
23:24 < genete> Do I write the recipe for undeleted canvas/layer on the traker?
23:29 < genete> done
23:32 < CIA-37> synfig: dooglus * r1317 /synfig-core/trunk/src/synfig/ (9 files): Break the ValueNode 'bad type' error messages up so less translation needs doing.
23:34 < dooglus> it's good isn't it :)  it creates the png icons from sif files using the synfig program
23:34 < genete> :)
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23:57 < genete> http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/Genete/synfig/angle_icon2.png
23:57 < genete> or this one is better?
23:58 < dooglus> I think the first one
23:58 < dooglus> the icons are tiny
23:58 < genete> I think so, but want to be sure
23:58 < dooglus> I think the 1st one will look better small
23:59 < dooglus> theta is maybe a more common greek letter for angles, don't you think?
23:59 < genete> I think alpha is the king =)
23:59 < dooglus> (or was that just MY maths teacher?)
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