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00:29 < dooglus> genete: this radial_composite fix is harder than I thought it would be
00:29 < genete> I guess it by your silence...
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00:47 < CIA-37> synfig: dooglus * r1386 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/ (canvasview.cpp app.cpp): Add 'new', 'open' and 'quit' to the caret>file menu.
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00:52 < genete> night, good luck with the radial composite, dooglus.
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01:17 < CIA-37> synfig: dooglus * r1387 /synfig-core/trunk/src/synfig/loadcanvas.cpp: 
01:17 < CIA-37> synfig: When loading LinkableValueNode from a .sif file, accept any of the various names
01:17 < CIA-37> synfig: for the links, rather than just the one returned by link_name(int). The
01:17 < CIA-37> synfig: specialised code for the 'composite' ValueNode needs the same doing for it
01:17 < CIA-37> synfig: still.
01:31 < AkhIL> particles are nice... but I have no idea how it works... hope some docks in coming.
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06:08 < SpamInaCan> Hi, is synfig still active?
06:09 < htodd> depends on the time
06:09 < SpamInaCan> i mean the project overall..., last release was 2006 :-\, and you guys should make a second part to the movie made in synfig it works (the one with the 2 boys)
06:11 < pabs3> last release was 2007: http://synfig.org/Releases/0.61.07
06:12 < pabs3> that movie was made by experienced animators when synfig was proprietary - we're still figuring out how the code works and ways to use synfig
06:12 < pabs3> but yeah, synfig is active, and we need help to make it more active ;)
06:12 < pxegeek> pabs - did darco ever have more script than just the trailer?
06:13 < pxegeek> s/trailer/prologue
06:14 < pabs3> I think there is more in the prologue source code that darco released, haven't looked at it for a while though 
06:14 < SpamInaCan> here we go :P, ubuntu only has the one from 2006 :(
06:14 < SpamInaCan> and where can i get the source for the prologue?
06:15 < pabs3> gallery page: http://synfig.org/Gallery (beware it is educational use only)
06:15 < pabs3> I've been waiting for ubuntu to sync the debian package for ages
06:16 < SpamInaCan> where can i get newer debs?
06:16 < SpamInaCan> (from the latest svn, i don't really wanna build them (lol))
06:16 < pabs3> the debian ones might work in ubuntu, probably not though, unless you rebuild them
06:17 < pxegeek> The script in the zipfile only covers the action in prologue.  :(
06:20 < SpamInaCan> how come i cant draw on my laptop?
06:22 < pabs3> http://synfig.org/FAQ#I.27m_using_synfigstudio_on_a_laptop_but_can.27t_draw_anything_using_my_mouse._What_gives.3F
06:22 < SpamInaCan> so i do need to compile it?
06:34 < SpamInaCan> how long will it take to compile everything?
06:37 < pabs3> depends on how fast your computer is, probably about an 30 min or less
06:38 < htodd> my macbook pro just takes a few minutes. the deps take a while
06:38 < SpamInaCan> i have a 900mhz lol
06:38 < SpamInaCan> but 1.2gb of ram ^_^
06:43 < pxegeek> dang I need to upgrade....
06:45 < SpamInaCan> huh?
06:48  * pxegeek running 512MB
06:48 < pxegeek> 'night all!
06:49 < SpamInaCan> WOW
06:49 < SpamInaCan> and gn
06:53 < AkhIL> SpamInaCan: synfig from svn have a lot of new features. last one is particle system
06:53 < AkhIL> nice thing but seems there is no docs about it
06:53 < SpamInaCan> AkhIL, kool, its compiling the synfigstudio...
06:54 < SpamInaCan> *writes perl script to compil synfig for me*
06:54 < AkhIL> i did it in bash
06:54 < SpamInaCan> can i just get ur bash ^_^
06:54 < AkhIL> wait
06:54 < SpamInaCan> i don't like writing perl but i don't really wanna do this each time either ^_^
06:58 < AkhIL> http://akhil.nightmail.ru/make_synfig.tar.gz
06:58 < AkhIL> you have to check scripts for paths
07:00 < AkhIL> fist script is make_synfig.sh, second one is cvs/get_synfig.sh
07:00 < SpamInaCan> why cvs?
07:00 < SpamInaCan> and not svn?
07:00 < AkhIL> both have hard coded paths
07:00 < AkhIL> because of there is a lot things form cvs, svn and git
07:00 < AkhIL> but cvs was first
07:01 < AkhIL> i'm just lazy to rename it
07:01 < SpamInaCan> lol
07:01 < SpamInaCan> why does synfig compile faster then synfig studio?
07:02 < AkhIL> you need both. synfig is rendering engine. studio is gui
07:02 < SpamInaCan> ahhh
07:02 < SpamInaCan> i am in the middle of compiling the studio ^_^
07:02 < pabs3> studio compiles slower because it has lots and lots of C++ code
07:03 < SpamInaCan> ohhh :(
07:03 < SpamInaCan> damn objects lol
07:03 < SpamInaCan> how did you learn to code pabs?
07:03 < pabs3> making fractals in msbasic
07:04 < AkhIL> any chence to be in synfig demo reel if I done my animation in this week?
07:04 < pabs3> I would guess yes, any thoughts on that pxegeek?
07:04 < SpamInaCan> what is better?, synfig or adobe (macromedia depending on the version lol) flash
07:04 < SpamInaCan> pabs3, you run the synfig project now?
07:05 < AkhIL> synfig can HDRI and some other kunfoo things 8)
07:05 < pabs3> run? nope. I help out a bit, some code here, some wiki there, some forum answers sometimes
07:06 < pabs3> synfig and flash are just different, like a peach and a plum maybe
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07:07 < pabs3> SpamInaCan: do any coding yourself?
07:07 < htodd> now you have me wanting peaches and plums
07:08 < SpamInaCan> i do php with mysql and really horrid perl
07:08 < pabs3> :)
07:10 < SpamInaCan> come to think of it last time i even thought about perl was 2006 lol
07:10 < SpamInaCan> and i thought i was bad then....
07:10 < SpamInaCan> now i wonder how much i remember....
07:11 < SpamInaCan> time to do perl tutorials at work...., ill call it writing an admin panel program thing of a majigger ^_^
07:12 < AkhIL> btw I have some unexpected behaviour of warp layer. Withhigh distortion it takes to much memory (more then 2Gb), so I have to decrease distortion amount to make mouse's shadow renderable on my pc
07:14 < SpamInaCan> how do i save my current project?
07:14 < SpamInaCan> nvm i am an idiot
07:14 < SpamInaCan> ...
07:14 < SpamInaCan> lol
07:15 < SpamInaCan> well its time for me to go to bed
07:15 < SpamInaCan> thanks for all the help and cya peeps
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07:36 < pabs3> dooglus: any thoughts on deploying http://www.review-board.org/ ? I suppose we don't have enough code contributors for it yet?
07:36 < pabs3> perhaps it would encourage people to submit patches though
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16:31 < genete> dooglus: lucky with the radial composite "c1... c5" bug?
16:51 < dooglus> genete: yes - that's fixed now
16:51 < genete> good!
16:51 < dooglus> genete: but I didn't yet check in the fix for the 'composite' c1... bug - I will in 5 or 10 minutes after testing my fix
16:52 < genete> :( gone in 2 mins
16:52 < dooglus> genete: I can check it in now if you want to start a build
16:52 < genete> 1:30 mins
16:52 < genete> no
16:52 < genete> better this evening
16:52 < dooglus> ok
16:53 < dooglus> genete: did you see the link pabs pasted - a patch review thing?
16:53 < dooglus> looks useful
16:53 < genete> yes i did
16:53 < genete> but not so deeply
16:53 < dooglus> http://www.review-board.org - anyone can upload patches and get comments from others about them
16:53 < genete> I was at work ;)
16:53 < dooglus> I was offered work today
16:53 < dooglus> 6 months, in England
16:53 < genete> wow! where?
16:54 < genete> about?
16:54 < dooglus> at a major japanese rootkit development company
16:55 < MangoFusion> neat idea
16:55 < genete> are you going to accept I guess...
16:55 < MangoFusion> congratulations
16:55 < dooglus> I don't think so
16:55 < MangoFusion> london?
16:55 < dooglus> no, basingstoke
16:56 < MangoFusion> only 180 miles away from me
16:56 < MangoFusion> great
16:56 < MangoFusion> rootkit development?
16:57 < genete> "I don't think so" ... any special reason you want to share with us?
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16:59 < MangoFusion> he's already developing a rootkit - synfig! :)
16:59 < MangoFusion> </sad sad joke>
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18:13 < Zelgadis> OK, just finished wiki modification. Now all dockable dialogs are called "Panels"!
18:13 < Zelgadis> dooglus: Maybe there is a reason to rename menu entry "File->Dialogs" to "File->Panels"?
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18:56 < dooglus> Zelgadis: consider it done :)
19:02 < CIA-38> synfig: dooglus * r1394 /synfig-core/trunk/src/tool/main.cpp: Tidying.
19:02 < CIA-38> synfig: dooglus * r1395 /synfig-core/trunk/src/tool/main.cpp: Tidying.
19:02 < CIA-38> synfig: dooglus * r1396 /synfig-core/trunk/src/tool/main.cpp: Move the knowledge about which flags require an extra value into a separate function. We're going to need it to fix bug #1695735.
19:02 < CIA-38> synfig: dooglus * r1397 /synfig-core/trunk/src/tool/main.cpp: Fix 1695735: don't treat the required values of command line flags as flags themselves.
19:17 < CIA-38> synfig: dooglus * r1398 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/ (toolbox.cpp dockdialog.cpp): Rename "Dialogs" to "Panels" for the dockable windows.
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21:23 < genete> hi
21:28 < genete> dooglus: was the radial composite fixed? I don't see its CIA-38 advice
21:50 < dooglus> genete: it was fixed about 24h ago I think?
21:51 < dooglus> r1387
21:51 < dooglus> genete: CIA reported it at 01:17
21:51 < dooglus> 25m after you left last night
21:53 < genete> ah I read the logs this morning and lost that commit.
21:53 < genete> fine
21:54 < genete> dooglus: I wonder if  we can bend a text in synfig.
21:57 < genete> ?this one: http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/Genete/Untitled.png
22:01 < dooglus> I don't know - can't think how...
22:02 < genete> either me
22:03 < genete> it has been done in Anime Studio with a Bending tool that manipulate points. Texts are made with vectors in Anime Studio. They look very bad but allow point manipulation.
22:04 < genete> cd ..
22:04 < genete> aaah
22:11 < dooglus> ha
22:11 < dooglus> what does the bending tool do?  does it have ducks?
22:11 < dooglus> something like the warp layer?
22:12 < genete> you select the points and then just click and drag. It is like the scale tool but it bends 
22:12 < genete> the problem is that text doesn't have ducks
22:13 < genete> out text layer I mean
22:13 < genete> I can imagine a bending tool for ducks... just some similar to smooth but with other algorithm. 
22:14 < genete> but to create that effect like the spherize one we should need a layer effect
22:14 < dooglus> text doesn't need ducks - we can warp text with the warp layer, right?
22:14 < genete> yes
22:14 < genete> wrap is squared
22:14 < genete> so should be something like warp but curved
22:15 < dooglus> yes
22:15 < dooglus> making a section of an arc?
22:15 < genete> the problem is that I don't know the math algorithm for that
22:15 < genete> yes could be
22:16 < dooglus> I think it could be quite easy to come up with a mapping
22:16 < genete> warp is a 2D mapping. It is easy
22:16 < genete> yah
22:16 < genete> it should be similar to curved gradient also
22:17 < genete> in fact curved gradient has that algorithm already done isn't it?
22:17 < dooglus> it's a bit different
22:18 < dooglus> curved gradient finds which curve is closest to each point then which point on the curve, then finds the distance and uses that to pick a point in the gradient
22:21 < genete> so for the each point in the layers that are behind find what curve is closest, then what point of the curve is closest and calculate the distance. Then use that distance to map the calculated point
22:22 < genete> let's say that the gradient is the current render without distortion
22:23 < genete> got it?
22:23 < genete> you need to imagine a 2D gradient not a linear gradient
22:24 < dooglus> oh, you mean to allow any bline to define the bend?
22:24 < genete> yes
22:24 < dooglus> alright.
22:24 < genete> like gradients
22:24 < dooglus> I was thinking about just doing simple circular bends, like in your example
22:25 < genete> dooglus: I would like to write some sketches about this and show you. Give me half an hour
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22:37 < dooglus> ok
22:38 < genete> http://www.darthfurby.com/genete/synfig/bend.png
22:39 < genete> dooglus: can you open the image?
22:52 < dooglus> I'll try
22:52 < dooglus> yup
22:53 < genete> ok
22:53 < genete> so for each P' find the closest point in the curve
22:53 < genete> and calculate S
22:54 < genete> then pick up from the original the color of P and put it where P' should be.
22:54 < genete> if P is in the middle of two points make an average
22:54 < dooglus> what about all the points which are nearest to either end of the bline?
22:55 < genete> the ends of the BLine would be extended with a straight line
22:55 < genete> in the drawing you see only the control Bline
22:56 < dooglus> in the lower diagram, it looks like you extended your curve to the right after drawing it shorter originally
22:56 < dooglus> what if you hadn't?
22:56 < dooglus> s == 1
22:56 < dooglus> I guess that's ok - it's just up to the user to make sure their bline is long enough
22:57 < genete> oh it is a faliure from my side
22:57 < genete> in the lower diagram the S dot line should be at the foot of the vertical red line
22:57 < genete> it was my mistake
22:58 < genete> it doesn't matter how long the bline is  if you extend it you scale also the mapping
23:00 < genete> the thing I haven't figured out is if the upper diagram Bline is a virtual one or a user controllable one
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23:02 < genete> dooglus: reload  the image
23:02 < dooglus> k
23:03 < genete> dooglus: what do you think?
23:03 < dooglus> what changed?
23:03 < genete> the dotted red line lower diagra,
23:03 < genete> diagram
23:03 < dooglus> ok
23:04 < dooglus> S is the distance along the bline to the nearest point on the bline to P'
23:04 < genete> yes
23:04 < dooglus> D is the perpendicular distance
23:04 < genete> yes
23:04 < dooglus> map S,D onto the underlying canvas
23:04 < dooglus> yes, it's all already written for curve gradient, really
23:05 < genete> so?
23:05 < dooglus> so, submit a patch :)
23:05 < genete> arrrgh!
23:05 < dooglus> heheh
23:07 < genete> please   .....   :"-)
23:15 < genete> dooglus: there is a funny behvior with valuenodes. If you try to change a valuenode in non animation mode you obtain a value_desc_set error pop up window. 
23:17 < genete> if you accept both popup windows, enable animation mode and click again over the valuenode then the value you tried to change to is there!
23:58 < dooglus> oh?
23:59 < genete> funny isn't it?
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