--- Log opened Sat Jan 19 00:00:30 2008
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00:37 < Yoyobuae> hi
00:38 < MangoFusion> hi
00:39 < Yoyobuae> dooglus: I was reading thru the logs, i have an idea to select which layers duplicate works on
00:52 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: go on?
00:56 < Yoyobuae> dooglus: let take the rectangle, circle and polygon example
00:56 < Yoyobuae> and we want the circle to be rendered once
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00:57 < Yoyobuae> we CAN make the circle not show at all if Amount is zero
00:58 < Yoyobuae> if we make the circle have Amount zero for index diferent from zero, then it will show once only
00:58 < Yoyobuae> index diferent from the "From" param i mean
00:59 < Yoyobuae> but i guess that the circle will get rendered anyway, just not shown
00:59 < dooglus> Index is a Real now, you know?  with 'From', 'To' and 'Step' params
00:59 < dooglus> so it might never be 0
01:00 < Yoyobuae> that's a problem with Real values i guess XD
01:00 < Yoyobuae> but won't it be equal to 'From' at least at one point?
01:07 < dooglus> yes
01:07 < dooglus> it'll be equal to From at least the first time - that's for sure
01:08 < Yoyobuae> oh, then with a conditional convert type it might be possible to show the circle only once
01:09 < Yoyobuae> with a 'Switch' in combination with a condition perhaps
01:09 < dooglus> ok
01:09 < dooglus> so no changes needed to the dup layer code at all
01:10 < Yoyobuae> dup layer can't do anything, it delegates the rendering work to its underlying layers =D
01:10 < dooglus> the important thing to remember is that the dup layer doesn't see individual layers under it - it sees a single thing called "context", which is "the stuff under me"
01:10 < dooglus> so it can't say things like "draw the next 3 layers"
01:11 < dooglus> it either renders them all, or not at all
01:12 < Yoyobuae> oh, if we wanted a fixed amount of layers under Dup to be affected we would use Straight blend method instead
01:13 < dooglus> how would that help?
01:13 < Yoyobuae> with an Amount of 1.0 it shows the layer, but not the ones underneath
01:13 < Yoyobuae> we then switch between Composite and Straigh based on Index
01:14 < dooglus> I'm not sure if it would work
01:14 < Yoyobuae> oh, why?
01:15 < Yoyobuae> blend method doesnt allow converts?
01:15 < dooglus> it does
01:16 < dooglus> but the dup layer has its own blend method
01:16 < dooglus> that maybe doesn't take the Index into account
01:16 < dooglus> wouldn't it need to?
01:16 < dooglus> I guess I'd need to experiement with it
01:17 < Yoyobuae> but wont the Circle's Blend Method that's under the Dup be affected by Index?
01:18 < Yoyobuae> Dup->Rect->Circle->Polygon
01:18 < Yoyobuae> if you want to Dup both Rect and Circle, but not Polygon
01:23 < Yoyobuae> one small question first:  if a layer's Blend Method is Composite, and Amount is zero, the layer itself has no effect.  But does it still uses up CPU time during rendering?
01:24 < Yoyobuae> the layer might be drawn, but the blend method then ignores that
01:29 < dooglus> I think not.  there's a special case somewhere for amount=0
01:29 < dooglus> I believe it skips the rendering completely
01:30 < dooglus> it's easily checked - make a slow layer (any gaussian (not fast gaussian) feather, zoomed in enough is very slow) and turn its amount down
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01:32 < Yoyobuae> checking =)
01:49 < dooglus> i'm off to bed, but will read anything you write when I wake up
01:52 < Yoyobuae> ok, Composite seems to skip rendering for Amount=0.0
01:52 < Yoyobuae> Straight doesn't seem to be working as explained on the wiki XD
01:53 < Yoyobuae> http://synfig.org/Blend_Method_Parameter#Straight
01:54 < Yoyobuae> it says: "More precisely, the resulting color is "(A-B)*amount + B". So if amount is 1 the result is A and if amount is 0 the result is B"
01:55 < Yoyobuae> but, with Amount=1.0 the result is A composed with B
01:55 < Yoyobuae> identical to what happens with Composite blend method
01:55 < Yoyobuae> I guess Straight is not working at all
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14:44 < dooglus> http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/pacman.sifz
14:44 < dooglus> looks like the bug Yoyobuae mentioned last night
14:45 < dooglus> turn off the 'dots' and pacman closes his mouth
14:46 < dooglus> (or zoom in or out)
14:49 < MangoFusion> ah i see
14:49 < MangoFusion> crazy!
14:49 < dooglus> it's to do with the tile renderer
14:49 < dooglus> I made the canvas 480x480, which is big enough to get the gui to split the canvas into 128x128 tiles and render them separately
14:49 < dooglus> the 'mouth' is a corner of a tile
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14:50 < dooglus> if you "export SYNFIG_SHOW_TILE_OUTLINES=1" and restart studio, you'll see
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14:56 < MangoFusion> i take it the whole pacman effect is unintentional?
15:01 < dooglus> well, that depends
15:01 < dooglus> the way that some tiles are rendered incorrectly is unintentional
15:02 < dooglus> but my choice of colours and positioning was specifically to make it look like pacman :)
15:03 < dooglus> synfig: the only 2d animation tool capable of rendering perfectly straight lines using just the circle tool :)
15:04 < MangoFusion> hahaha
15:05 < MangoFusion> fancy doing a rewrite? ;)
15:05 < MangoFusion> Synfig 2
15:06 < MangoFusion> though then again much simpler to fix what is already there :D
15:13 < dooglus> if I thought the rewrite would be any better than what we already have, then maybe
15:14 < dooglus> but I think you're right - fixing what's there is easier
15:14 < dooglus> just because something is newer doesn't make it better
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16:37 < thorwil> hi!
16:42 < thorwil> how would i go about creating a rectangle with a specific size in pixels (relative to the canvas which is meant to correspondent to 1024 x 768)?
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16:50 < dooglus> thorwil: hi
16:51 < dooglus> thorwil: in the parameter dialog, edit the positions of the corners using "px" at the end
16:51 < dooglus> thorwil: ie. type "100px" into the box for "100 pixels"
16:52 < dooglus> thorwil: or set the default units to be pixels: from the toolbox, edit>setup>misc>unit system
16:55 < thorwil> px works, except the result is wrong in relation to the canvas. too large
16:55 < dooglus> when you render it, it should come out in the size you asked for.  doesn't it?
16:57 < thorwil> i would expect it to be displayed in the correct size right away
16:58 < dooglus> in studio, you can zoom in and out of the canvas
16:58 < dooglus> when you zoom in, things look bigger - the default 480x270 canvas is displayed at different sizes depending on the zoom level
16:59 < thorwil> yes. i have the full canvas in view to see the resolution. but i guess i'm having trouble with the coordnate system
16:59 < dooglus> but when you render, by default it will render as a 480x270 pixel image
16:59 < dooglus> the coordinate system is that 0,0 is in the centre
17:00  * thorwil tries to get 0, 0 in top left
17:00 < dooglus> positive X is right
17:00 < dooglus> positive Y is up
17:02 < thorwil> aha! now i got it
17:02 < thorwil> but how i wish i could work with width and height
17:02 < dooglus> it should be possible to adjust the position of the origin using the canvas properties dialog, but I don't know how well that works.  it's not something I've messed with
17:02 < dooglus> I don't understand - width and height?
17:03 < dooglus> oh, of the rectangle?  you can...  and I'll show you how.  it's a little strange, but it works.
17:04 < thorwil> dooglus: i'm all ears :)
17:04 < dooglus> here's how:
17:04 < dooglus> draw a rectangle
17:04 < dooglus> go to the params dialog
17:04 < dooglus> (stop me if you get lost at any point)
17:04 < thorwil> k
17:05 < dooglus> right-click the 'point 1' parameter and 'export'
17:05 < dooglus> give it a name, "p1" say
17:05 < dooglus> right-click the 'point 2' parameter and 'convert' to 'add'
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17:07 < dooglus> hi again :)
17:07 < thorwil> dooglus: i had a x freeze right after naming the point
17:07 < dooglus> ok, I'll end up putting this on the wiki anyway
17:07 < dooglus> give it a name, "p1" say
17:07 < dooglus> right-click the 'point 2' parameter and 'convert' to 'add'
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17:07 < dooglus> (that's saying that rather than specifying the absolute position of the other point, you want synfig to calculate it for you)
17:08 < dooglus> (it will make 2 new sub-parameters for 'point 2', and the value used for point 2 will be their sum
17:08 < dooglus>  so we want to tell it to use 'point 1' and your (width,height)
17:08 < dooglus> open up the sub-parameters of point2 by clicking the triangle to its left
17:09 < dooglus> go to the 'children' dialog, open up the values and select the one you exported earlier (p1)
17:09 < dooglus> right-click the "LHS" parameter in the parameters dialog and 'connect' it
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17:09 < dooglus> then enter the width and height you want in the 'RHS' parameter
17:10 < thorwil> ah, nice. well nice for what possibilities this opens i can't even think of, not for being required here ;)
17:10 < thorwil> dooglus: thank you!
17:11 < dooglus> that's ok.  there are lots of different ways of converting parameters like this, to make quite complex results
17:12 < thorwil> dooglus: is synfig in active development? do you know how it compares to ktoon?
17:12 < dooglus> see http://youtube.com/watch?v=YJV3xMP24fc
17:12 < dooglus> for an example of someone going crazy with the 'converts'
17:12 < dooglus> thorwil: synfig is actively developed, but mostly only by me at the moment, and I'm mostly just fixing bugs
17:13 < dooglus> thorwil: http://synfig.org/Convert documents the convert menu
17:13 < dooglus> I've not used ktoon, so I can't compare it, no.
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17:14 < thorwil> dooglus: that demo is the live editing screen or an export?
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17:16 < MangoFusion> ktoon is quite simple compared to synfig
17:16 < MangoFusion> basically just a flip book
17:16 < thorwil> hmm, ok
17:17 < thorwil> 1 have 2 interests regarding animation: animated interface mockups and perhaps music videos
17:17 < Ceox> does it have tweening?
17:18 < MangoFusion> as far as i can tell, no
17:18 < Ceox> ok
17:18 < thorwil> MangoFusion: ty
17:18 < dooglus> thorwil: that's it rendered.  he drew the 'controls' into the animation too.
17:19 < MangoFusion> in fact you would be surprised to find anything decent that is designed for 2d animation that is also free and/or open source, apart from synfig
17:19 < dooglus> thorwil: http://synfig.org/Drawing_a_Rectangle_based_on_Width_and_Height
17:19 < thorwil> dooglus: heh, cool, thanks
17:20 < thorwil> MangoFusion: once decent option is ok ;)
17:20 < thorwil> just full of oddities for someone coming from inkscape and knwing animation only from flash (4, 5)
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17:23 < dooglus> thorwil: I just linked all the terms up to other wiki pages - that should help you understand what's going on better
17:24 < thorwil> what a service! :)
17:25 < dooglus> ha
17:26 < dooglus> thanks for asking the question.  it reminded me that we needed an example like that in the wiki
17:26  * dooglus goes back to thinking what the 'straight' blend method is supposed to do
17:26 < dooglus> there's nothing similar in the gimp, or anywhere else I can find.
17:27 < dooglus> if I blend a circle using amount 1 and blend method 'straight' over a scene, should the scene entirely disappear, even where the circle doesn't overlap?
17:31 < thorwil> dooglus: how does the specific blend method affect what should happen in that example?
17:32 < thorwil> with only a vague idea of what that is about, i'd say the scene has to disappear or not no matter what the method is
17:34  * thorwil reads http://synfig.org/Blend_Method_Parameter
17:36 < thorwil> i had the wrong assumption of blending being about animation
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17:42 < thorwil> dooglus: after reading that, i'd say yes. otherwise a case with no overlap would be like having no blending at all, an option that is already given, or?
17:43 < photomuse> Hey all, I downloaded synfig yesterday.
17:44 < photomuse> I have a question about rendering formats (a pointer to some documentation would work as well)
17:44 < dooglus> photomuse: shoot
17:44 < photomuse> I was using the mpeg output, which worked well for simple scenes, but doesn't seem to be working so well for a more complicated scene.
17:44 < photomuse> What is the best option for rendering?
17:45 < photomuse> Or is the some way to increase the mpeg quality?
17:45 < dooglus> thorwil: if you use the default "compose" blend method and draw 2 circles which don't overlap, you'll see them both
17:45 < dooglus> thorwil: but if you use "straight" with an amount of "1", the wiki seems to suggest that you'll only see the 'top' one
17:46 < dooglus> photomuse: I tend to render to a series of png images and combine them into a video format using an external tool (mencoder, ffmpeg, or whatever)
17:46 < dooglus> photomuse: that way I can easily re-render a section of the movie, keeping the old frames that haven't changed, rather than re-rendering the whole thing each time I make a small change
17:47 < photomuse> Which tool would you recommend for that?  (And this would be a good wiki topic... :)
17:48 < dooglus> photomuse: I use these shell functions (pasted into my .bashrc file): http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/render.sh.txt
17:49 < photomuse> Thanks
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18:05 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: hi.  thanks for chasing up the 'straight blend' thing yesterday
18:05 < Yoyobuae> hi
18:05 < dooglus> seems you have indeed found a bug there
18:06 < Yoyobuae> yeah
18:06 < dooglus> http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/pacman.sifz is a simple example I made of how it sometimes works and sometimes doesn't
18:07 < dooglus> it's not clear what the intention is for completely transparent pixels.  if I draw two circles and have the top one amount=1 blend=straight, should the lower circle disappear completely?
18:08 < Yoyobuae> from what i understood from wiki, yes
18:09 < Yoyobuae> everything underneat should disappear, it shouldn't even be rendered (no CPU time used like with Composite)
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18:16 < photomuse> I'm still having some issues.  Even though the individual .png files are OK, the resulting video file has major color artifacts (halo sort of effect)  Have you had this problem?
18:16 < dooglus> trusting the synfig wiki is a little like trusting wikipedia...
18:16 < dooglus> anyone can edit it - I know that I wrote that entry for 'straight' blends, after reading the source code to see what it was doing
18:17 < dooglus> the bug is in how synfig determines which layers to render - for each tile it checks whether the top layer has any intersection with the tile, and if not, ignores it.  it shouldn't do that if the blend method is 'straight'
18:18 < dooglus> photomuse: I've heard of it before, and put it down to the user's PC using a video overlay to play videos, and the video overlay having bad color settings.  could that be what's happening with you?
18:19 < dooglus> photomuse: if you can upload an example video file somewhere, I'll watch it here and see if I can see the effects
18:20 < photomuse> Hrm...
18:20 < photomuse> Could be
18:22 < Yoyobuae> dooglus: So the tile rendering process is bypassing the effect of 'Straight'?
18:24 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: for some tiles, yes
18:24 < photomuse> If I play it with mplayer instead of Kaffeine, it looks fine.
18:24 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: play with that 'pacman.sifz' file and you'll see
18:24 < photomuse> So it does seem to be a player issue.
18:25 < dooglus> http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/pacman.sifz
18:25 < photomuse> FYI, I have an ATI card.
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18:28 < dooglus> photomuse: sounds like it's not a synfig thing then - you're using mencoder to encode it?
18:28 < dooglus> photomuse: and the .png files are OK?
18:29 < photomuse> Yah, I was using mencoder to encode and Kaffeine to play...if I use mplayer to play it looked fine.
18:29 < dooglus> photomuse: I took a video off my cellphone last night.  only 'realplay' will play it with sound, and it was making all the reds green, until I disabled the 'X Video' option in there, then it was OK
18:29 < photomuse> I'm uploading to youtube right now, which is all I really wanted.
18:29 < dooglus> so I guess it depends what technology it's using to play back
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18:29 < photomuse> This is a great piece of software...how long have you been working on it.
18:29 < photomuse> ?
18:30 < Yoyobuae> oh, nice "effect" on pacman.sifz =D
18:30 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: if you have a recent (svn?) studio, you can 'export SYNFIG_SHOW_TILE_OUTLINES=1' and have it draw the tile outlines in red
18:31 < dooglus> makes it much clearer what's going on
18:31 < dooglus> photomuse: I've been working on it for a year or two, but I didn't create it - it used to be proprietary software
18:31 < photomuse> http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=amesHgfxS4o  Here it is.
18:31 < dooglus> photomuse: the history is probably on the wiki somewhere
18:31 < Yoyobuae> dooglus: no, i just downloaded the last already built SVN (1320)
18:32 < Yoyobuae> dooglus: i haven't built synfig myself yet
18:32 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: that'll be fine.  the export will work with tha
18:32 < dooglus> t
18:32 < dooglus> photomuse: that's cool.  are you using the 'duplicate' layer there?  or lots of copy/pasting?
18:32 < photomuse> Yah, I was just wondering, because I can't imagin this is the same software I read about (crashing all the time and really slow)
18:32 < photomuse> I first created the man and the walk animation (by exporting the canvas)
18:33 < photomuse> Then I copied the man, and added a translate, zoom, and color correct layer
18:33 < photomuse> Copied that two more times
18:33 < photomuse> And then I ecapsulated that in a row, and the copied that a few times, adding a hue shift layer
18:33 < dooglus> photomuse: I've basically been fixing bugs mostly for a year - there were lots, and yes, it did used to crash a lot
18:34 < dooglus> it is a lot better now, but there are still crashes occasionally.  especially on windows (and my windows box doesn't want to build it, so I can't work on it there much
18:34 < dooglus> )
18:34 < dooglus> photomuse: in recent svn code there's a new layer called 'duplicate' which allows you to do that kind of thing without multiple copies
18:34 < photomuse> I see.
18:35 < photomuse> Maybe I'll try to download and compile sometime.
18:35 < dooglus> photomuse: which OS do you use?
18:36 < photomuse> I just downloaded and installed Kubuntu 7.10
18:36 < Yoyobuae> dooglus: i don't know how to 'export SYNFIG_SHOW_TILE_OUTLINES=1', is that supposed to go into a config file or something? XD
18:36 < photomuse> I also use XP
18:36 < dooglus> photomuse: somebody made .deb files for 7.10 recently, but I didn't manage to get copies from him
18:37 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: just paste it into a terminal window, then close studio, and type "synfigstudio" in the same terminal
18:37 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: if you want it permanently set then there are ways, but it is annoying...
18:37 < dooglus> (ie. it's annoying to have red squares around tiles all the time)
18:37 < photomuse> Well, even though I'm new to ubuntu, I am a developer, and I recently got MPICH2 to compile and install (by creating a .deb) so maybe I can get it to work.
18:37 < Yoyobuae> running on WinXP here btw? ;)
18:37 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: aah...
18:38 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: so control-panel>system>advanced>environment variables>add>SYNFIG_SHOW_TILE_OUTLINES>1
18:38 < photomuse> Yoyobuae, download ubuntu and duel boot ;)
18:38 < dooglus> or something...
18:38 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: if you know where the environment variables dialog is - that's where it goes
18:38 < Yoyobuae> yeah i know
18:39 < dooglus> was I close?  it would be useful to have an accurate description of how to set them for the wiki
18:41 < Yoyobuae> yeah it was there, and the lines now show
18:41 < dooglus> photomuse: http://synfig.org/Build_instructions - the instructions work on ubuntu 7.10 - that's what I use
18:42 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: "advanced" is really the tab name?  that was a lucky guess; it's been over a year since I went there
18:42 < Yoyobuae> btw, who builds the Windows version? pxegeek?
18:42 < dooglus> yes
18:42 < dooglus> and atrus, too
18:43 < Yoyobuae> ok, now i know who to ask if i run into trouble =D
18:46 < thorwil> "<photomuse> Yoyobuae, download ubuntu and duel boot ;)"  the os booting faster wins? ;)
18:48 < Yoyobuae> hehe, windows will lose =)
18:49 < Yoyobuae> maybe if i boot my "Windows into RAM disk" config then it may stand a chance
18:53 < Yoyobuae> dooglus: if you make the wiki about it, heres an image showing the System>Advanced and Environment Variables windows
18:53 < Yoyobuae> http://members.lycos.co.uk/yoyobuae/SYNFIG_SHOW_TILE_OUTLINES.png
18:58 < dooglus> thanks
18:58 < dooglus> can I put that on the wiki?
18:58 < Yoyobuae> yeah sure =)
18:58 < dooglus> (which I think probably equates to can I GPL it, although I'm not sure)
19:01 < Yoyobuae> Is 'Straight' meant to work only on a Inline Canvas?
19:01 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: I really wouldn't have thought so
19:01 < Yoyobuae> if i just make to circles, with 'Straight' on the one on top, it works like Composite
19:01 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: see how the yellow circle isn't shown in the 'navigator' panel in the top right corner of your screenshot?
19:01 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: the navigator panel is rendered in a single shot, not as tiles
19:02 < Yoyobuae> yeah, i read that somewhere in the logs
19:02 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: also, if you zoom out once in the pacman file, it's small enough that tiles are no longer used - then it renders properly?
19:02 < Yoyobuae> yeah it does
19:03 < Yoyobuae> Also, the 'Index' from a Duplicate has no effect if linked into a 'Amount' param
19:04 < dooglus> oh really?
19:04 < dooglus> something to try in the pacman file: change 'amount' on the 'dots' encapsulation to .999 instead of 1
19:04 < dooglus> seems to fix the problem at first, but then move a red circle so it overlaps the yellow a bit
19:05 < dooglus> and a new problem shows up
19:06 < Yoyobuae> make amount=0.5
19:06 < dooglus> right
19:06 < dooglus> move a red circle to the centre of the yellow
19:06 < dooglus> and how that behaves is correct I think - the yellow and the red both become pale
19:07 < Yoyobuae> yeah
19:07 < dooglus> but the yellow in the top and left of the circle is still solid - and that's wrong
19:07 < Yoyobuae> but it only does it inside the Rectangle area the red dots occupy
19:07 < dooglus> right
19:07 < dooglus> it's all to do with the 'bounding box' of the layers its composing
19:08 < dooglus> something somewhere is thinking "this pixel is outside the bounding box 'dots', and so 'dots' has no effect on the result
19:08 < dooglus> not realising that 'straight' layers have effect even when transparent
19:09 < Yoyobuae> it seems like it
19:09 < dooglus> while it's true that those solid yellow pixels are outside the 'dots' box, and so 'dots' doesn't need to be rendered for them, the blending still needs to be done
19:11 < Yoyobuae> i think there's a slight confusion between render and blending
19:11 < Yoyobuae> also, it seems no one has used Straight blending so far XD
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19:19 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: I was going to suggest searching the 'examples' folder
19:19 < dooglus> but:
19:19 < dooglus>     <param name="blend_method">
19:19 < dooglus>       <integer value="13"/>
19:19 < dooglus>     </param>
19:19 < dooglus> it's on multiple lines, and not particularly clear what number is what
19:19 < Yoyobuae> an ID perhaps?
19:19 < dooglus> looks like "Straight" is 1
19:19 < Yoyobuae> 1=Composite, 2=Straight, etc
19:19 < dooglus> yes:
19:20 < dooglus> 	enum BlendMethod
19:20 < dooglus> 	{
19:20 < dooglus> 		BLEND_COMPOSITE=0,			//!< Color A is composited onto B (Taking A's alpha into account)
19:20 < dooglus> 		BLEND_STRAIGHT=1,			//!< Straight linear interpolation from A->B (Alpha ignored)
19:20 < dooglus> (from synfig/color.h )
19:22 < dooglus> so it looks like every example uses straight blending apart from candy.sifz?
19:23 < Yoyobuae> btw, straight seems to skip the rendering of layers below for Amount=1.0
19:23 < dooglus> japan.sifz is the simplest
19:24 < Yoyobuae> only if no tile rendering is done
19:24 < dooglus> if straight worked as it should, all the examples would break?
19:24 < Yoyobuae> lol, i guess
19:24 < dooglus> that's easy enough to fix.  the problem is with .sifz files outside of the synfig repository
19:25 < dooglus> we don't want to break users' work by fixing bugs
19:25 < Yoyobuae> if the layers using 'Straight' are not Inline Canvases, then 'Straight' is the same as 'Composite'
19:26 < Yoyobuae> or so it appears
19:26 < dooglus> yes
19:27 < dooglus> I'd like to fix 'straight' so that it works everywhere, not just on inline canvases - but that breaks lots of existing .sif files
19:28 < dooglus> I guess there's always the half-arsed "export SYNFIG_USE_BROKEN_STRAIGHT_BLEND_METHOD=1" approach :)
19:28 < Yoyobuae> lol, nice var name
19:28 < dooglus> ie. for people who want to use the old broken method, allow it
19:29 < Yoyobuae> it would be better to fix the broken .sif files instead
19:29 < dooglus> a more proper solution would be to increment the canvas version number, and convert all 'straight' blends for non-inline canvases to 'composite' on loading them
19:29 < Yoyobuae> oh, that's even better
19:29 < Yoyobuae> files will get updated automatically then
19:30 < Yoyobuae> and the same behavior is mantained
19:30 < dooglus> when loading a canvas from a .sif file, do a "if canvas version <= 0.2 and blend == straight and layer != pastecanvas then blend=composite"
19:30 < dooglus> righ
19:30 < dooglus> t
19:30 < Yoyobuae> but what about the "pacman" effect users =D
19:30 < dooglus> ha
19:30 < Yoyobuae> pacman.sif will be broke then =D
19:30 < dooglus> the pacman file never renders like a pacman anyway
19:30 < dooglus> the tile renderer is only used for on-screen display
19:30 < Yoyobuae> true =)
19:31 < dooglus> when you render to a file, it renders full rows
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21:02 < MangoFusion> fixed pacman yet?
21:12 < Yoyobuae> i dont think it's fixed yet
21:23 < dooglus> nope
21:23 < dooglus> still hunting for a power-pill
21:24 < dooglus> well, mostly I've been cooking
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