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00:49 < genete> hi dooglus ;)
00:49 < dooglus> you know I thought it was odd that nobody had joined, left, or spoken for 12 hours...
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00:49 < dooglus> then I noticed I had been disconnected :)
00:49 < mwiriadi> not really genete 
00:49 < mwiriadi> I'm here to give feedback about Fedora when I can
00:49 < ulrik> hi mwiriadi, hi dooglus!
00:50 < genete> mwiriadi: ok nice
00:50 < mwiriadi> hey ulrik 
00:51 < genete> dooglus: ulrik has some building probs on mac
00:51 < genete> dooglus:  the information is at jabber.deepdarc log (lucky it was grabbed)
00:53 < ulrik> dooglus: yes, when "make" the studio part it fails in "making" in gtkmm
00:56 < genete> ulrik: can you tell me what was your last working revision?
00:58 < ulrik> genete: last working and still works is r1493
01:01 < genete> arrgh! Kibi!!! gitweb interface is down!
01:01 < ulrik> http://cia.vc/stats/project/synfig is up
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01:01 < Sjano> hello
01:01 < ulrik> hi Sjano
01:02 < genete> ulrik: yes I'm using it but gitweb is better
01:02 < genete> hi Sjano 
01:02 < ulrik> genete: ok
01:02 < genete> ulrik: do you know how to svn up to a particluar commit?
01:02 < ulrik> no, i forgot  :( 
01:04 < Sjano> i got a question... ehm.... i tried installing Synfig on windows XP but didn't get it to work, it said it was missing som files, eventhough i installed everything.. ( gtk, gtkmm, synfig and synfigstudio)  is it anything else i need or something?
01:04 < genete> I think that all te problems comes from the configure.ac file modification. It is 1497 
01:05 < genete> Sjano: did you install etl?
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01:05 < genete> Sjano: forget it
01:06 < genete> Sjano: pxegeek  is the windows expert :) hi pxegeek !
01:06 < Sjano> hehe, ok...
01:06 < ulrik> genete: ok, ill try to go back to 1496 then, how do i do that?
01:07 < ulrik> hi pxegeek!
01:08 < genete> ulrik: instead of svn co http:// .... do svn co -r 1496 http://...
01:08 < ulrik> genete & pxegeek, thanks for the nice comments about the T-shirt  :) 
01:08 < genete> ulrik: lol... you did a hard work!
01:08 < ulrik> genete: ok, now I saved that note...thanks!
01:09 < ulrik> genete: actually i was working on the fish before the T-shirt and i just putted it there :)
01:10 < genete> ulrik: hehe like me with the particles ...
01:10 < ulrik> hehe...yes iguessed you did that too..
01:11 < ulrik> i guessed
01:20 < dooglus> ulrik: that looks like a result of my change about <hash_map> - quite recent
01:21 < dooglus> ulrik: r1494, almost certainly
01:21 < dooglus> ulrik: so r1493 should be OK - and that's what you found...
01:22 < ulrik> dooglus: ok so i stick to 1493 then
01:22 < dooglus> ulrik: I guess I VNC to your machine and have a look at the headers and see why it's failing
01:23 < genete> dooglus: what's <hash_map>
01:23 < genete> ?
01:23 < dooglus> genete: it's a C++ header file that's not part of the official C++ standard
01:23 < ulrik> dooglus: ok, maybe i shall download the latest revision then?
01:24 < dooglus> ulrik: you can "svn up" to get the latest I think
01:25 < ulrik> dooglus: i'll do that
01:26 < ulrik> dooglus: ok i'm up to date now
01:26 < dooglus> ulrik: ip 89.176.28.156 port 55507 when you're ready
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01:37 < dooglus> ulrik: when you get the error again, vnc me again to get my attention, ok?
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01:37 < ulrik> dooglus: I will, thanks for helping me out! :)
01:38 < ulrik> dooglus: so you want me to start "make" in studio?
01:38 < dooglus> yeah
01:38 < ulrik> ok
01:39 < pxegeek> delayed reaction  - hi!
01:40 < pxegeek> Haven't read the logs yet - what's your question Sjano?
01:41 < Sjano> pxegeek: hi, they said you were windows guru with synfig... i got a question..... i tried installing Synfig on windows XP but didn't get it to work, it said it was missing som files, eventhough i installed everything.. ( gtk, gtkmm, synfig and synfigstudio) is it anything else i need or something?
01:41 < pxegeek> ps - dooglus - it looks like you're logs are down if you didn't already know...
01:42 < dooglus> pxegeek: I wasn't here for 12 hours or so
01:42 < dooglus> they're back up now I guess
01:42 < pxegeek> Looks like you got it covered
01:42 < pxegeek> dooglus - log closed 12:50
01:42 < pxegeek> Sjano what was the error message?
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01:44 < dooglus> logs?
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01:45 < Sjano> don't remember..... been so long ago.... and... i'm not on that computer at the moment...
01:45 < pxegeek> http://dooglus.rincevent.net/synfig/logs/2008/%23synfig-2008-01-26.log
01:45 < Sjano> think it was some lib(something) files
01:45 < pxegeek> There we go!
01:46 < pxegeek> Sjano, Hmmmm......
01:46 < pxegeek> Which version were you running?  Win official or unofficial SVN build?
01:46 < dooglus> the log gets linked into the directory at midnight - if it doesn't exist, it doesn't get linked until the next midnight (or I do it by hand)
01:46 < Sjano> official
02:07 < Sjano> is synfig able to use ... like a long background.... like.... to make a character walk along a long street or something?
02:07 < pxegeek> Yes
02:08 < Sjano> how about a high one? so it also can move up and down?
02:08 < pxegeek> You can import an image file, or create it on a long canvas in Synfig
02:08 < pxegeek> yes
02:08 < Sjano> awsome
02:08 < pxegeek> Translate works in both directions :)
02:09 < pxegeek> If you check out the Prologue movie, you'll see them walking along a sewer.
02:09 < pxegeek> http://www.bridgetone.com/voria/movies/prologue.mov
02:10 < pxegeek> When it failed for you, was it just error messages or did it actually not run?
02:11 < genete> night all
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02:11 < Sjano> just an error message.... (don't remember but i think it was an error message in a dos windows that dissapears after 0,1 second or so)
02:15 < Sjano> soilder1: "jesus, what the hell happened?", soilder2:"the bastard trew a rock at me", s1: "and you shot him?", s2:"it was a BIG rock" s1:"aw... screw it" 
02:15 < Sjano>   hehe...   
02:15 < Sjano> is synfig complicated? or like exstremly easy to learn?
02:16 < dooglus> somewhere in between
02:16 < Sjano> are there any video tutorials then?
02:16 < dooglus> it's a lot of work to make an animation like that prologue.mov
02:18 < Sjano> Well, it's something like that i'm planning to make...
02:18 < Sjano> have to see how far i get, hehe
02:18 < dooglus> I'd suggest you start with the basic tutorials and see how it goes
02:18 < dooglus> http://synfig.org/Tutorials
02:28 < pabs3> dooglus: does CXXFLAGS=-Wextra add many warnings?
02:29 < dooglus> pabs3: I didn't try it
02:29 < dooglus> pabs3: is that more than -W -Wall?
02:31 < pabs3> I think so, yeah
02:31 < pabs3> ah, no..
02:32 < pabs3> This option used to be called `-W'.  The older name is still...
02:32 < pabs3> dooglus: did genete's patch get applied?
02:32 < dooglus> pabs3: I didn't apply it
02:32 < pabs3> ok
02:32 < dooglus> pabs3: neither of them
02:33 < dooglus> pabs3: I've not had time today to look at it, sorry
02:33 < pabs3> I'll take a look later
02:37 < pabs3> this looks like a nasty bug: 1 cellrenderer_value.cpp:203: warning: returning reference to temporary
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02:43 < dooglus> yes
02:43 < dooglus> but does it ever happen?
02:43 < dooglus> is that code used?  I don't remember
02:46 < pabs3> dunno
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02:54 < dooglus> pabs3: seems ulriks g++ 4.0 has tr1/unordered_map but doesn't have unordered_map<>:iterator s
02:55 < dooglus> pabs3: I guess there's some way of testing for the presence of such things in the configure.ac script - I'll get reading about it
02:55 < pabs3> humm
02:55 < pabs3> I guess the autoconf stuff needs to check for that too?
02:56 < dooglus> oh, that's what I meant
02:56 < pabs3> probably compile a C++ snippet
02:56 < dooglus> yes
02:58 < dooglus> duckmatic.cpp does "DuckMap::const_iterator iter;" where DuckMap inherits from HASH_MAP_CLASS<...>
03:13 < dooglus> pabs3: `-Wextra' (This option used to be called `-W'.  The older name is still supported, but the newer name is more descriptive.)  Print extra warning messages for these events:
03:13 < dooglus> we use -W -Wall at the moment
03:13 < dooglus> I think I tried using -Wextra instead of -W but old g++ versions don't know -Wextra
03:13 < pabs3> oh, I thought only -Wall
03:14 < dooglus> pabs3: so basically, -Wextra doesn't add any extra warnings, because we already do it
03:14 < pabs3> ah, ok - how old?
03:14 < dooglus> -D_DEBUG -g -O0 -W -Wall -Wno-unused-parameter -MT libsynfig_la-layer_pastecanvas.lo
03:14 < dooglus> etc.
03:14 < pabs3> right
03:14 < dooglus> and in studio too: -D_DEBUG -g -O0 -W -Wall -Wno-unused-parameter -MT synfigstudio-duckmatic.o
03:16 < dooglus> I guess that's why we had so many new warnings from g++ 4.3
03:16 < dooglus> still, it's good to keep the code as clean as possible
03:16 < pabs3> is -Wno-unused-parameter still needed?
03:26 < dooglus> I didn't know we used it
03:26 < dooglus> why do we?  I'm sure we didn't used to
03:38 < pabs3> ETL/m4/subs.m4 doesn't seem to have added/removed it since the beginning
03:38 < dooglus> hmmm
03:39 < dooglus> I thought I saw lots of warnings about unused parameters
03:40  * pabs3 to
03:55 < pxegeek> Yay 1503 core built - even with all the recent changes
03:55 < pabs3> :D
04:03 < pxegeek> Is it possible that any of the recent changes will improve Synfig's stability or are they code cosmetics?
04:03 < pabs3> the gcc 4.3 ones?
04:04 < pabs3> some of them fixed bugs caught by gcc 4.3
04:06 < pxegeek> I couldn't tell if any of the bugs will actually make a difference to the functionality
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04:07 < pxegeek> The 0==31 looks bad, but if the proper result for the test is the same, it won't make a difference, right?
04:09 < pabs3> ya
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04:44 < pxegeek> Sjano - I just reloaded 0.61.07 from the website.  I didn't see any lib warnings like you reported, but I'd be first to admit, my install was far from fresh.
04:48 < pxegeek> Hi Factor!
04:49 < factor> lo 
04:49 < factor> my candidate dropped out of the race so I will be doing more computer stuff
04:49 < factor> :D
04:50 < pxegeek> Kucinich?
04:50 < factor> yup
04:50 < pxegeek> I'm sorry
04:50 < pxegeek> My wife was disappointed to hear that too
04:50 < factor> my local group had a cool toolbar in firefox though
04:51 < factor> I want to try to make one for my linux group
04:51 < factor> it is just a google toolbar?
04:51 < pxegeek> Quick links?  
04:51 < factor> was looking for what it could be
04:51 < factor> humm
04:51 < factor> could be
04:51 < factor> is that a firefox ext.
04:51 < pxegeek> Could be useful for Synfig too
04:51 < factor> no doubt I loved it
04:51 < pxegeek> No, I was wondering what the toolbar did?
04:52 < factor> it turned out to be very useful
04:52 < factor> http://ok4dk.ourtoolbar.com/
04:52 < pxegeek> We have some often visited sites - synfig.org, wiki, forums, logs, kibi's gitweb...
04:52 < factor> right
04:53 < factor> it has a ticker for the latest news as well
04:53 < factor> when a release takes place it can be announced etc..
04:54 < factor> tool bar works in windows and linux as well
04:54 < pxegeek> Looks like it uses http://www.conduit.com/
04:54 < factor> humm
04:55 < factor> oh cool thanks
04:56 < factor> also when a new version or change is made to it it ask you if you want to update it
04:56 < factor> which is cool
04:57 < factor> I think it would be very useful
04:57 < factor> for synfig
05:01 < factor> oh it said it at the bottom heh
05:01 < factor> just saw that DHO!
05:06 < factor> looks like you can have links to videos as well
05:15 < pxegeek> :)
05:21 < pxegeek> Here's one to think about dooglus - error: Context:accelerated_render(): Layer "PasteCanvas threw a bad_alloc exception!
05:22 < pxegeek> when view->play a canvas
05:22 < pxegeek> (the second time)
05:25  * pxegeek goes to watch a movie
05:25 < pxegeek> (Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow - if anyone's curious)
05:29 < factor> heh
05:30 < factor> Jolie in that one right
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09:51 < dooglus> pxegeek: the 0==31 stuff was all about estimating how much time a render was going to take.  perhaps that will be more accurate now
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10:34 < ulrik> dooglus: 'morning, the fix you applied tonight worked like a charm! thanks!  :) 
10:34 < ulrik> dooglus: did you want to vnc me and check things out?
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11:04 < pabs3> hi ulrik 
11:04 < ulrik> hi pabs3
11:05 < pabs3> ulrik: have you considered going to LGM in poland this year? synfig.org/Events
11:06 < ulrik> oh...no I have not thought about it, I have to read about it in the wiki
11:08 < ulrik> pabs3: are you going?
11:08 < pabs3> ulrik: nope, very costly to go to Europe from Australia
11:09 < pabs3> I will definitely go when it is in Australia next year
11:09 < ulrik> pabs3: yes i guess so..hehe, I didn't know you lived in Australia
11:09 < pabs3> yep, in western australia at the moment
11:10 < ulrik> pabs: what kind of weather do you have there at the moment?
11:11 < pabs3> temperature in the mid-high 30's usually few clouds, sometimes a nice sea breeze
11:13 < ulrik> aahhh...I want that too, I'm a bit tired of the weather here for the moment, around 0 degrees and very little sun
11:13 < pabs3> brrrrrr
11:13 < ulrik> double bbrrr
11:13  * pabs3 hasn't seen snow yet :)
11:14 < ulrik> hehe, well it's nice when it's cold and a lot of snow and also sun, I love that
11:15 < ulrik> pabs3: I have to reboot, see you later
11:15 < pabs3> ok, later
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11:17 < CIA-39> synfig: dooglus * r1504 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/ (keyframetreestore.h keyframetreestore.cpp): Add a KeyframeTreeStore::description_sorter() to go with the time_sorter().
11:17 < CIA-39> synfig: dooglus * r1505 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/keyframetree.cpp: Make the keyframe panel's description column sortable.
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11:49 < genete> dooglus: look line 825 from keyframetreestore.cpp.
11:50 < genete> "if(1) {...} else {...}"   else is never reached.
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12:17 < CIA-39> synfig: dooglus * r1506 /synfig-core/trunk/configure.ac: Check that unordered_map<int,int>::const_iterator is declared before deciding to use <tr1/unordered_map>. Similarly for unordered_set.
12:18 < dooglus> pabs3: "hasn't seen snow yet :)" - what, never ever?
12:21 < dooglus> ulrik: I'd like to test my fix on your computer if possible - VNC me 89.176.28.156 port 55505 if you see this :)
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12:45 < ulrik> hi!
12:46 < ulrik> dooglus: is the r1506  a fix for the problem with making studio build?
12:46 < dooglus> ulrik: yes, it should be
12:47 < dooglus> ulrik: I'd like to check though, if you could VNC to me for a while
12:47 < dooglus> ulrik: rather than doing a full rebuild, I can check it quickly
12:47 < ulrik> dooglus: cool!  :) 
12:47 < CIA-39> synfig: dooglus * r1507 / (3 files in 3 dirs): Don't use the '-Wno-unused-parameter' flag by default.
12:47 < CIA-39> synfig: dooglus * r1508 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/cellrenderer_value.cpp: Fix a warning about returning a reference to a temporary by introducing a memory leak instead! I don't think the code should ever be used though, and have added a warning to indicate if it is.
12:47 < ulrik> yeah sure
12:47 < dooglus> 89.176.28.156 port 55505
12:48 < ulrik> can you run without me, I have to go and take a shower and then go away for a couple of hours?
12:48 < dooglus> sure
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13:01 < mib_bt2m09uf> hello, i tried the tutorial http://synfig.org/Animation_Basics , i finished successfully, but when i render i get just a still image, although when i move the timeline slider i see movement, what could be wrong ? thanks
13:02 < CIA-39> synfig: dooglus * r1509 /synfig-studio/trunk/configure.ac: The same as r1506 but for studio as well. r1506 only addressed the problem for core.
13:03 < AkhIL> Unckeck current frame checkbox in rendering setup window
13:04 < mib_bt2m09uf> ah ok thanks AkhiL !
13:04 < mib_bt2m09uf> note: this isnt mentioned in the tutorial
13:11 < mib_bt2m09uf> synfig crashes when i try to render
13:13 < mib_bt2m09uf> it closes instantly when i click render
13:14 < mib_bt2m09uf> its a version from november 2006, can i try a newer one maybe ?
13:16 < AkhIL> he he.. I have version from Sun Jan 27 2008 and it's work 8)
13:16 < AkhIL> try newer release or even beter build your own from svn
13:17 < CIA-39> synfig: dooglus * r1510 / (4 files in 3 dirs): Prevent all remaining 'unused parameter' warnings when compiling with debug enabled.
13:17 < CIA-39> synfig: dooglus * r1511 / (4 files in 2 dirs): Prevent more 'unused parameter' warnings - compiling without debug enabled disables the assert() checks which leads to more parameters being unused.
13:18 < mib_bt2m09uf> the preview renders fine though...
13:19 < AkhIL> you may try different file format
13:19 < AkhIL> I'm using png
13:21 < mib_bt2m09uf> if i try to render with command line it says synfig is not installed !?
13:22 < mib_bt2m09uf> or are synfig and synfigstudio two separate programs ?
13:23 < mib_bt2m09uf> oh they ara apparently
13:23 < AkhIL> synfigstudio uses synfig as renderer. IMHO
13:23 < mib_bt2m09uf> *are
13:23 < mib_bt2m09uf> i did sudo apt-get install synfig, and now i can render from the terminal
13:24 < AkhIL> hmm... don't know how synigstudio works without synfig
13:25 < mib_bt2m09uf> ok this worked, but it does look a bit strange, the circles have a wierd fractal-like texture in them on some frames
13:25 < dooglus> AkhIL: your version is out of date again :P
13:26 < AkhIL> dooglus: I know...
13:26 < dooglus> mib_bt2m09uf: synfig and synfigstudio are 2 different programs.  they both use libsynfig0 to render.  it's possible to install synfigstudio and libsynfig0 without installing synfig itself.
13:26 < dooglus> mib_bt2m09uf: which distro and version are you using?
13:27 < dooglus> mib_bt2m09uf: rendering to .gif isn't good.  .png works a lot better (due to .gif having a limit of 256 colors per image)
13:27 < mib_bt2m09uf> dooglus, a version from november 2006, ubuntustudio (feisty)
13:27 < dooglus> mib_bt2m09uf: ok.  I was going to say I have .deb packages for gutsy of a very recent version.  but nothing for feisty, sorry.
13:28 < dooglus> mib_bt2m09uf: the best thing to do I think if you want a recent version is to build from svn yourself.
13:28 < mib_bt2m09uf> no problem, can i render to separate jpgs or something, to easily convert that to a movie with mencoder ?
13:28 < dooglus> mib_bt2m09uf: http://wiki.synfig.com/Build_instructions will tell you how
13:28 < mib_bt2m09uf> dooglus thanks
13:29 < dooglus> mib_bt2m09uf: yes.  if you just run "synfig file.sif" it will render to a sequence of .png frames file.0000.png file.0001.png and so on
13:30 < dooglus> mib_bt2m09uf: here's a script I use for rendering for youtube, doing the sif -> png -> avi route as you suggest: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/render.sh.txt
13:30 < mib_bt2m09uf> oh i see, png ARE separate files, nm
13:30 < mib_bt2m09uf> ah cool :)
13:31 < dooglus> mib_bt2m09uf: yes.  mng is the format for multi-frame pngs.  kind of.  :)
13:32 < CIA-39> synfig: dooglus * r1512 /synfig-core/trunk/src/synfig/valuenode_reference.cpp: Oops - missed one in the last commit.
13:33 < AkhIL> dooglus: again my synfig out of date 8/
13:34 < dooglus> nothing's changing though, so don't worry
13:34 < dooglus> just getting the build to be prettier without warnings
13:35 < dooglus> http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/g++-4.3-warnings.txt <-- what's left to kill off
14:17 < CIA-39> synfig: dooglus * r1513 /synfig-core/trunk/src/synfig/layer_duplicate.cpp: Honor the "amount" parameter of the 'duplicate' layer.
14:35 < mib_bt2m09uf> when i make a bezier curve figure, how do i 'close' it ?
14:37 < mib_bt2m09uf> ok i did link, and the end and begin points seem to have joined, is that the right way ?
14:39 < mib_bt2m09uf> now if i move the bezier figure, the outline doest move along, how do i do that ?
14:41 < AkhIL> mib_bt2m09uf: http://synfig.org/How_do_I#Close_a_bline.3F
14:42 < mib_bt2m09uf> thanks
14:44 < dooglus> mib_bt2m09uf: when you create the bline, look at the tool options.  check 'link positions' to have them linked.  oh, except you're still running the old version?
14:44 < dooglus> mib_bt2m09uf: in the old version, select both the outline and region, then select both their green position ducks, and link those
14:44 < dooglus> (use control to select multiple ducks)
14:46 < ulrik> dooglus: i put my password on desltop, ok?
14:51 < mib_bt2m09uf> dooglus, i dont see any green duck on the outline, i have only one
14:53 < mib_bt2m09uf> and for closing the bline, right clicking on the starting point doesnt give me the entry 'loop bline'
14:54 < dooglus> ulrik: I moved the root-created folders out the way
14:54 < dooglus> so you don't need the root password to install any more
14:54 < dooglus> ulrik: don't use 'sudo' - just 'make install' from now on
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14:55 < dooglus> mib_bt2m09uf: the green ducks of the region and the outline will be on top of each other.  move one of them and you'll see the other under it
14:56 < dooglus> mib_bt2m09uf: to see 'loop bline' you need to click the vertex not the tangent.  pick a vertex which has a non-zero length tangent
14:56 < dooglus> mib_bt2m09uf: you can right-click on any vertex
15:04 < mib_bt2m09uf> dooglus, maybe its just me, but i only see one green duck and if i move that the same thing happens, the outline doesnt move along, also, i cant find this menu entry 'loop bline' anywhere, i right-clicked on all points and lines i can see
15:04 < mib_bt2m09uf> is the region on another layer than the outline ?
15:05 < mib_bt2m09uf> ah ok, that's it, linking region and outline solved
15:09 < dooglus> mib_bt2m09uf: region and outline are 2 different layers, yes
15:10 < dooglus> mib_bt2m09uf: in old versions of studio, they weren't linked when created, so the move independently.  that's generally not what people want or expect
15:10 < dooglus> mib_bt2m09uf: now pick a vertex on the outline, and drag its duck.  what happens?
15:14 < mib_bt2m09uf> dooglus, the linking of region and outline is ok now, i still have to find how to close the curve
15:14 < dooglus> mib_bt2m09uf: right.
15:15 < dooglus> mib_bt2m09uf: is your curve curved?  do you see tangents?
15:15 < mib_bt2m09uf> by vertex you mean the brown dots, right ?
15:15 < mib_bt2m09uf> yes all are curved
15:15 < dooglus> ok, yes - the brown dots
15:16 < dooglus> the tangents are yellow and red
15:16 < dooglus> and the vertices are brown
15:16 < dooglus> right-click the brown dot and it's called "Loop" in this version
15:16 < dooglus> do you see "Loop"?
15:17 < mib_bt2m09uf> no, Loop is not there
15:18 < dooglus> here's a screenshot: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/loop-bline.png
15:18 < mib_bt2m09uf> i have convert mark merge insert remove rotate disconnect export connect edit
15:18 < dooglus> which version of studio?
15:18 < mib_bt2m09uf> (first words of each)
15:19 < mib_bt2m09uf> 0.61.05-124
15:20 < dooglus> wow, that is old
15:20 < dooglus> I just tried 0.61.06 and that has 'loop'
15:20 < mib_bt2m09uf> i installed from synaptic in ubuntustudio
15:20 < mib_bt2m09uf> iirc
15:20 < dooglus> I guess ubuntustudio is getting on a bit then
15:20 < dooglus> gutsy has 0.61.06 I think
15:21 < dooglus> I'll build a set of feisty .deb packages that you can update to
15:21 < mib_bt2m09uf> that would be nice
15:23 < dooglus> mib_bt2m09uf: it'll take a while - I need to download and install feisty first...
15:23 < dooglus> mib_bt2m09uf: you're sure it is based on feisty, right?
15:23 < mib_bt2m09uf> ok, will you post it somewhere ?
15:23 < mib_bt2m09uf> ill double check
15:24 < mib_bt2m09uf> oh, btw, theres a new ubuntustudio, so people will generally be installing that, i should upgrade too, so maybe its more useful to do a build for that ?
15:25 < dooglus> mib_bt2m09uf: what version does "dpkg -l libc6" show?
15:25 < mib_bt2m09uf> ii  libc6          2.5-0ubuntu14  GNU C Library: Shared libraries
15:26 < mib_bt2m09uf> hm im not sure if the new ubuntustudio is out yet though...
15:26 < dooglus> dapper has 2.3; edgy has 2.4; feisty has 2.5; gutsy has 2.6; hardy has 2.7
15:27 < mib_bt2m09uf> mine is Ubuntu 7.04 mine is - the Feisty Fawn - released in April 2007 anyway
15:27 < dooglus> ok
15:29 < mib_bt2m09uf> ooh, now i get it... all the time i was thinking gutsy was older than feisty, i confused it with edgy, sorry
15:30 < dooglus> look at the first letter - they go up in alphabetical order
15:31 < dooglus> (forgetting hoary and warty, and I don't think there was a 'c' one either)
15:35 < mib_bt2m09uf> makes sense :)
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15:44 < mib_rng1r3cs> ( mib_bt2m09uf = mib_rng1r3cs ) firefox crahsed...
15:51 < pabs3> dooglus: ya, not in RL
15:54 -!- pabs3 changed the topic of #synfig to: http://synfig.org/FAQ | http://synfig.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=17 January Challenge posted | synfig 0.61.07 available from http://synfig.org/Download | news: http://synfig.org/News/2008-01-02 http://synfig.org/News/Draft | Ask your question and wait - we will answer it eventually!
15:56 < pabs3> topicdiff: replace the synfig.com -> synfig.org change with a link to the FAQ
16:05 < dooglus> pabs3: http://synfig.org/code/synfig-svn-checkout.tar.gz is broken again
16:06 < pabs3> argh
16:08 < pabs3> ah, another bug - the api and that both did svn up in the same dir, but ran at the same time so the code one got blocked by the svn lock
16:21 < pabs3> ok, all fixed
16:22 < pabs3> api script had an issue too - lost all the doxygen.cfg files cause I did a re-checkout the other day
16:32 < CIA-39> synfig: dooglus * r1514 /ETL/trunk/ (ETL/_random.h test/smach.cpp test/smart_ptr.cpp): More unused parameters - in ETL this time.
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16:43 < pabs3> hmm, a vista user can't get synfig to work
16:43 < pabs3> sounds like they got random versions of the right dlls from the net
16:47 < dooglus> pabs3: any idea what this indicates?
16:47 < dooglus> Could not find a signing program (pgp or gpg)!
16:47 < dooglus> debuild: fatal error at line 1155:
16:47 < dooglus> running debsign failed
16:47 < dooglus> when:
16:47 < dooglus>  type gpg
16:47 < dooglus> gpg is /usr/bin/gpg
16:48 < pabs3> probably doesn't know what your keyid is. my ~/.devscripts: http://paste.debian.net/47844
16:48 < dooglus> aah
16:48 < dooglus> I don't have a key...
16:48 < dooglus> I only just made the chroot
16:49 < pabs3> just ignore it then
16:49 < pabs3> what are you using to upload?
16:49 < dooglus> I was building synfig for the ubuntu media thingy?
16:50  * pabs3 wonders if that is a statement or a question
16:51 < dooglus> it's a statement, but questioning what the media version of ubuntu is called.
16:52 < pabs3> ubuntustudio - it is separate to ubuntu/kubuntu/etc IIRC though
16:52 < pabs3> yay forks
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17:15 < pabs3> hi genete, gnite genete 
17:15 < genete> night pabs3 !
17:15  * pabs3 zzzz
17:17 < pabs3> not long for the january challenge - I should think of something
17:17  * pabs3 goes :D at manpages.debian.net
17:18 < genete> pabs3: I have lots of ideas for january challenge. Maybe I can give you one...
17:19 < pabs3> :) cool
17:19 < pabs3> I think I'll post about a new splash screen for a February challenge
17:19 < pabs3> genete: if I can't think of anything I'll ask you
17:20 < genete> ok. 
17:21 < pabs3> hmm, think I'll save forum backlog for tomorrow
17:21  * pabs3 really zzz now
17:21 < genete> bye pabs3 
17:57 < ulrik> dooglus: I'm back
17:57 < ulrik> dooglus: are you finished with my computer?
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18:03 < ulrik> dooglus: I read the log, thanks a lot for the help!!  :)  what revision is installed now? r1514?
18:04 < ulrik> dooglus: about the moved root, do I svn from inside another folders now or is it the same?
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19:32 < dooglus> ulrik: I'm finished, yes
19:32 < dooglus> ulrik: I'm not sure what revision you have - it was the latest at the time though
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20:03 < ulrik> dooglus: ok, thank you a lot!!
20:08 < dooglus> ulrik: don't worry about the files I moved.  there were some owned by the 'root' user that I couldn't install over, so I just renamed them out the way.
20:09 < dooglus> ulrik: you still build just the same way you did before, but without the need to type 'sudo' at any point
20:10 < ulrik> dooglus: ok, that sounds great
20:10 < ulrik> :) 
20:16 < ulrik> i will try building now to see if it's ok
20:18 < ulrik> dooglus: iif i have new files in etl and core, do i have to configure make and install in studio?
20:21 < dooglus> ulrik: no
20:21 < dooglus> ulrik: oh, maybe :)
20:21 < dooglus> ulrik: depends if they are header (.h) files or not
20:21 < ulrik> dooglus: what about the libavcodec, can i include it when configuring core?
20:21 < ulrik> ok i'll build all
20:22 < dooglus> ulrik: it didn't build for me, no.
20:22 < ulrik> ok, i make it without
20:22 < dooglus> ulrik: I just skipped building it for my test
20:22 < ulrik> ok
20:41 < dooglus> mib_rng1r3cs: the feisty packages finished building if you still want them
20:43 < pxegeek> hey dooglus - is there anything in particular you would like checked out in the current build under Windows? 
20:44 < dooglus> mib_rng1r3cs: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/synfig/repository/README.txt
20:44 < dooglus> pxegeek: I can't think of anything off-hand
20:44 < pxegeek> I'm looking at some of my earlier attempts, and I'm seeing tile boundaries on the shading - I thought you fixed that...
20:45 < dooglus> there are lots of layers with tile boundary effects unfortunately
20:46 < dooglus> I fixed it for radialblur - that may be what you're thinking of?
20:46 < dooglus> pxegeek: try using a lower value for 'quality' - does that fix it?
20:46 < dooglus> some of the artifacts go away at better qualities.
20:47 < dooglus> (I hate how higher qualities have lower numbers...)
20:48 < pxegeek> on the canvas view?
20:49 < pxegeek> Haven't seen a problem on the final renders
20:49 < pxegeek> I didn't remember seeing an issue with the shading on the canvas before...
20:50 < pxegeek> Huh - seeing it at render with quality =1 now
20:54 < pxegeek> Gotta get ready for my son's 3rd b'day party
20:54 < pxegeek> I'll try and provide an example later..
20:55 < pxegeek> I'm thinking that the odd looking shadow doesn't need to be there anyway ;)
20:58 < dooglus> pxegeek: on the canvas view, yes
20:59 < dooglus> pxegeek: that's the only place tiles are ever used - rendering to a file won't use tiles
20:59 < dooglus> pxegeek: an example would be useful - especially if it's a new problem.  I have 0.61.06 installed here, so I can check that.
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21:15 < pxegeek> It's on an old rendering too
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21:15 < dooglus> pxegeek: you can generally tell whether something's meant to be there or not by zooming in and out
21:16 < dooglus> if it stays, it's meant to be there
21:16 < pxegeek> "not meant to be there" from an aesthetic point of view, not a technical point of view ;)
21:18 < dooglus> aah
21:18 < pxegeek> I think it's just the way that a shade layer follows a region - it looks cut off at a tile boundary
21:19 < dooglus> pxegeek: draw any region and give it quite a lot of feather.  then you'll see tile effects.
21:19 < dooglus> until you turn the quality up/down
21:20 < pxegeek> Like I said - it just seemed new because I didn't remember it.
21:20 < pxegeek> Now I'm looking out for stuff like this, I see it more often
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21:54 < ulrik> dooglus: I've finished building latest revision with succes! just so you know :) 
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22:15 < dooglus> ulrik: glad to hear it
22:16 < ulrik> have to quit, see you all! bye
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22:32 < genete> hi
22:32 < dooglus> hi
22:33 < genete> hi dooglus, did you have a look to the lipsync patch?
22:33 < dooglus> genete: I've not yet, no.  I think pabs3 was going to look at it, maybe today?
22:33 < dooglus> genete: do I need to get the lipsync program?
22:34 < genete> I think no.
22:34 < genete> in the second comment I inserted a valid sample of a voice
22:34 < dooglus> oh, ok
22:34 < genete> just copy/paste into a filename.lst file and load to synfig
22:35 < genete> dooglus: what I wanted to comment is that I forgot to include GIF as format to recognize for the image file
22:35 < dooglus> ok
22:36 < genete> now it has: jpg, png, ppm amd tiff
22:36 < genete> it is a small fucntion that compares strings
22:36 < dooglus> does it need to have a list?  can it not just support whatever the image importer can handle?
22:37 < genete> the papagayo format file doesn't understood on image file
22:37 < genete> it only set the phonemes
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22:37 < genete> so is the user who decides what image type want to use for each phoneme
22:37 < genete> It needs a wiki page, but first want you to test it.
22:39 < Yoyobuae> hi
22:39 < genete> hi Yoyobuae 
22:40 < Yoyobuae> dooglus: is anyone planning on writting documentation for synfig API?
22:41 < genete> http://synfig.org/api/
22:41 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: the idea, I think, is that it's embedded in the source code
22:41 < dooglus> and automatically pulled out and put at the address supplied by my lovely assistant there...  ;)
22:41 < genete> hey!
22:41 < Yoyobuae> yeah i saw those pages, but they're mostly empty, aside from function prototypes XD
22:42 < Yoyobuae> i had a look into doxygen, and installed it
22:42 < dooglus> yeah, I know.  lots of "writeme" strings too
22:43 < Yoyobuae> i'm trying to figure how the code works, can I write the "writeme"s as i learn? =)
22:44 < dooglus> sure
22:44 < dooglus> I should do too
22:44 < dooglus> it just seems like such a big job
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22:45 < Yoyobuae> lots little steps can go pretty far =D
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22:46 < ulrik> hi all!
22:46 < genete> hi ulrik!
22:46 < Yoyobuae> hi =)
22:47 < ulrik> genete: have you tried the svg2synfig stuff?
22:48 < genete> not yet
22:48 < Yoyobuae> dooglus: since documentation is embedded into source, should I just write it there then make a patch for it?
22:48 < ulrik> it looks interesting
22:48 < genete> ulrik: yes it does
22:48 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: yes.  you have the svn sources already?  just a 'svn diff' in there will product a patch
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23:13 < dooglus> genete: re. your patch, this happened about 20 hours ago:
23:13 < dooglus> 02:33 < dooglus> pabs3: I've not had time today to look at it, sorry
23:13 < dooglus> 02:33 < pabs3> I'll take a look later
23:13 < dooglus> genete: so I'll wait and see if pabs installs it, or tells me he's leaving it to me
23:14 < genete> yes it is true. OK it is fine
23:16 < genete> http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=131#131
23:17 < genete> Come on! it is still January!
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23:21 < ulrik> genete: great tiger T-shirt! I love it!  :D 
23:21 < genete> : thanks ulrik!
23:21 < genete> :)
23:22 < genete> pabs3 is thinking on the Febreaury Challenge. Ulrik have you got any idea for it?
23:22 < genete> I have a few but so silly
23:23 < ulrik> uhh..I hav'nt thought about it, but I will!
23:23 < ulrik> genete: let's hear
23:23 < genete> for example: make a continuous looping background
23:24 < genete> there will not be any template so it is a "little" more complex than the January one
23:24 < ulrik> well that would be a challenge
23:24 < genete> Of course there are many solutions for that task. 
23:25 < genete> But I fell it is not so funny than the TShirt one :(
23:25 < ulrik> but i consider it cheating if you join, I mean with all mathematics you know ;) 
23:25 < genete> s/fell/feel
23:25 < genete> ha ha a
23:25 < ulrik> yeah the t-shirt was funny
23:25 < genete> but not only the scroll must be perfect. There must be something original
23:26 < genete> something funny, drawings are also important... the theme (indoor / outdoor)
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23:27 < ulrik> it made me think of the old cinamtic turning whell, with holes for every picture
23:27 < ulrik> s/whell/wheel
23:27 < ulrik> but that is too complex
23:28 < ulrik> perpetum mobile
23:29 < ulrik> eehh
23:29 < genete> eeeh!?
23:29 < genete> shot!
23:30 < ulrik> worms
23:30 < ulrik> the cutest worm
23:30 < ulrik> or ugliest
23:31 < ulrik> macho worm
23:31 < genete> weeeh!    I like it!
23:31 < ulrik> balett worm
23:31 < genete> sexy worm
23:31 < ulrik> oohhh yezz
23:32 < genete> but it needs more work (less participants)
23:32 < ulrik> dr.wormenstein
23:32 < ulrik> yes i guess you're right
23:33 < genete> the goodness of TShirt challenge was it simplicity. pxegeek did all the work and it was only a drawing problem.
23:33 < ulrik> yes
23:34 < ulrik> pxegeek!!! more ideas
23:34 < genete> we should think on something not "so simple" but atrackting at the same time
23:34 < ulrik> "pillows"
23:35 < ulrik> tired pillow
23:35 < ulrik> walking in the sleep pillow
23:35 < ulrik> well that's difficult i know
23:36 < genete> anyway we should increase the challenge dificulty some day.
23:36 < genete> not only draw --> let's animate!
23:37 < ulrik> absolutely, that is the challenge of synfig I think, to animate, i still can't
23:37 < ulrik> zeligs animation was great
23:37 < genete> come on! and waht about the green fish!?
23:38 < genete> which one?
23:38 < genete> the one in the forum?
23:38 < ulrik> sy'n Fig
23:38 < ulrik> s/s/S
23:39 < genete> ah sorry missunderstood the name
23:39 < genete> maybe a fliying bird?
23:40 < genete> it is not a classic "walk cycle" and can be funny to do.
23:40 < ulrik> I like that
23:40 < ulrik> flying bird, yes
23:40 < ulrik> yes it can be funny
23:40 < ulrik> ..beautiful..
23:40 < genete> Draw a nice bird (I suppose lot of people can do it) and make a pair of "flip" "flap" , that's all
23:41 < ulrik> yes i think it can be easy, and if you want, difficult, that's a good suggestion
23:42 < genete> It is a free style. Every one can make as difficult as he wants
23:42 < ulrik> yeah
23:43 < genete> So by unanimity the February Challenge has been stablished!!
23:43 < ulrik> What about it folks? is it a good februari challenge, animated bird?
23:44 < genete> talk now or quiet for ever...
23:44 < ulrik> lol
23:47 < Yoyobuae> i like it
23:47 < genete> cool!
23:47 < Yoyobuae> i have a nice trick i could use on it, maybe
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