--- Log opened Tue Jan 29 00:00:10 2008 --- Day changed Tue Jan 29 2008 00:00 < dooglus> g++ isprime.cpp 2>&1 | grep error | grep with 00:03 < Yoyobuae> need to go, be back later =) 00:03 < dooglus> ok, ttyl 00:04 -!- Yoyobuae [n=quete@201.224.135.156] has quit [] 00:18 < factor> ttf fonts would work well in synfig , a loader for them 00:18 < factor> cant remember if it loads ttfs 00:19 < dooglus> I think it does 00:20 < factor> good 00:20 < factor> then gente could do the text with that for the tuts 00:21 < dooglus> I know I was able to zoom right it to pxegeek's t-shirt today and the fonts scaled properly 00:21 < dooglus> they're a vector font, not bitmapped 00:22 < factor> yup just liker a svg 00:23 < dooglus> why do C++ programmers write: 00:23 < dooglus> for (i = 0; i < v.size(); ++i) 00:23 < dooglus> and C programmers write: 00:23 < dooglus> for (i = 0; i < v.size(); i++) 00:23 < dooglus> ? 00:24 < dooglus> it seems pretty consistent, the difference 00:26 < factor> I always thought it had somerthing to do with a pre increment and post increment 00:27 < factor> i use the later 00:27 < factor> but have not debtugged it 00:27 < dooglus> yes, it does. but in a for loop, the 3rd a final expression is done at the end of each iteration, and its value is ignored 00:27 < factor> k 00:27 < dooglus> so pre and post increment are much the same 00:31 * genete rendering my first video tutorial composited with synfig... 00:31 < dooglus> genete: sorry, I didn't answer you. I don't know which to do first 00:31 < dooglus> genete: but do you want me to proof-read the text before rendering? 00:32 < factor> Nicer 00:32 < genete> not so much text really. I don't mind to render again if a text mistake 00:32 < factor> herh 00:32 < dooglus> genete: you can send just the .sifz without the images - but ok. 00:34 < genete> http://www.darthfurby.com/genete/synfig/videotut1.sifz 00:34 < genete> here it is 00:35 < factor> i will look when i get home 00:35 < factor> be back in about 45 00:35 -!- factor [n=Factor@32.144.99.248] has quit ["mIRGGI meni puis"] 00:35 < dooglus> genete: I think probably "Synfig Video Tutorials" not "Synfig's ..." 00:36 < genete> ok 00:36 < genete> it is just finishinig 00:36 < dooglus> VERTICE -> VERTEX 00:36 < dooglus> FORGROUND -> FOREGROUND 00:36 < genete> LOL 00:36 < genete> you know me very well 00:37 < genete> anything else? 00:37 < dooglus> and "RIGHT CLICK OVER TANGENT TO SPLIT THEM"? I think right-click gives a context menu doesn't it? but maybe that's not worth going into 00:38 < genete> the context menu is obvoiusly shown in the image 00:38 * dooglus remembers - I was going to look into why .sif files are full of stuff like: 00:38 < dooglus> 00:38 < dooglus> when you first save them, but not later 00:38 < dooglus> aah, of course. 00:39 < genete> RIGHT CLICK OVER TANGENT TO SPLIT IT 00:40 < dooglus> "them" 00:40 < genete> SO THEM IS OK? 00:40 < dooglus> (the context menu is "split tangentS" - so they're plural 00:40 < dooglus> yes 00:40 < genete> ok 00:46 < dooglus> I was just meaning that right-clicking doesn't split them - it's when you release the mouse over the context menu. 00:46 < dooglus> but that doesn't matter 00:50 < genete> I think I'll finish it tomorrow it has a few of mistakes that want to correct. 00:50 < dooglus> ok 00:50 < genete> bed time here 00:50 < genete> night dooglus 00:50 < dooglus> night 00:50 < dooglus> good work :) 00:50 < genete> I hope it would look better tomorrow 00:51 < genete> :) 00:51 -!- genete [n=Genete@84.122.53.117.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit ["Abandonando"] 01:06 -!- AkhIL [n=AkhIL@90.188.220.222] has quit ["Leaving."] 01:07 -!- AkhIL [n=AkhIL@90.188.220.222] has joined #synfig 01:19 -!- AkhIL [n=AkhIL@90.188.220.222] has quit ["Leaving."] 01:20 -!- AkhIL [n=AkhIL@90.188.220.222] has joined #synfig 01:22 -!- factor [n=factor@ip68-14-160-70.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #synfig 01:22 < factor> gente gone 01:22 < factor> what was that url of his text tut 01:29 -!- MangoFusion [n=jamesu@host86-147-213-63.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit ["ttg"] 03:34 < pabs3> genete = awesome! video tutorials would be great 03:35 * pabs3 reminds people about the related projects page on the wiki 04:21 -!- pxegeek [n=chatzill@c-71-59-140-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #synfig 04:38 -!- pabs3 [i=pabs@d122-104-115-97.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["Don't rest until all the world is paved in moss and greenery."] 05:27 -!- pabs3 [n=pabs@211.27.201.139] has joined #synfig 05:28 < pabs3> dooglus: https cert for svn.voria.com has expired, darco will update it tonight he says 05:51 -!- htodd [n=htodd@i8u.org] has joined #synfig 06:39 < dooglus> factor: http://www.darthfurby.com/genete/synfig/videotut1.sifz 06:40 < dooglus> factor: but you need the images really - I just wanted to check for mistakes in his text before he rendered 06:48 < factor> thanks 06:52 -!- pabs3 [n=pabs@211.27.201.139] has quit ["back to AC"] 06:58 -!- pabs3 [i=pabs@d122-104-115-97.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has joined #synfig 07:03 -!- pabs3 [i=pabs@d122-104-115-97.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 07:04 < factor> dooglus that is cool I did not think about using synfig as video editor , but it can be as well. 07:04 < factor> nifty 07:13 -!- pabs3 [i=pabs@d122-104-115-97.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has joined #synfig 07:13 -!- factor [n=factor@ip68-14-160-70.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:27 -!- ulrik [n=ulrikbod@213-65-95-57-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has quit ["bye! http://www.musikboden.se"] 07:27 -!- factor [n=factor@ip68-14-160-70.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #synfig 07:28 -!- pxegeek [n=chatzill@c-71-59-140-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 07:32 < CIA-39> synfig: dooglus * r1518 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/keyframetree.cpp: r1505 accidentally changed the behavior of the (JMP) links in the keyframe panel to require a double click. This changes it back. 09:32 < CIA-39> synfig: dooglus * r1519 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/app.cpp: 09:32 < CIA-39> synfig: Default 'end time' for new canvases to 5s instead of 0. That's one less thing a 09:32 < CIA-39> synfig: new user then needs to edit to start making his first animation. Also, don't 09:32 < CIA-39> synfig: show the intimidating canvas properties dialog when a layer is created, just use 09:32 < CIA-39> synfig: the defaults. Set environment variable 09:32 < CIA-39> synfig: "SYNFIG_ENABLE_NEW_CANVAS_EDIT_PROPERTIES" to revert this change locally. See 09:32 < CIA-39> synfig: http://synfig.org/Wish_list#Improved_User_Experience_for_First_Contact . 09:36 * AkhIL goes to revert this change... 09:36 < pabs3> dooglus: did you mean "when a canvas is created" rather than "when a layer is created"? 09:47 < CIA-39> synfig: dooglus * r1520 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/app.cpp: 09:47 < CIA-39> synfig: If no documents are specified to be loaded on the command line at start-up, 09:47 < CIA-39> synfig: create a new empty document to the novice user can get started straight away. 09:47 < CIA-39> synfig: http://synfig.org/Wish_list#Improved_User_Experience_for_First_Contact 10:03 -!- crazy_bus [n=philip@121.218.44.175] has joined #synfig 10:37 -!- MangoFusion [n=jamesu@host86-147-213-63.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #synfig 10:49 -!- crazy_bus [n=philip@121.218.44.175] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 11:12 < dooglus> AkhIL: ~/.xprofile is a good place to define environment variables in ubuntu 11:12 < dooglus> pabs3: yes, thanks. I just fixed it. 11:13 < MangoFusion> i use .bash_profile, or is it .profile? i forget 11:18 < AkhIL> dooglus: he-he. I'm not ubuntu user 11:23 < AkhIL> hmm... can I start synfig without new document at all? 11:32 < pabs3> AkhIL: sounds like you can with svn r1520 or later 11:37 -!- tester [n=tester@61.49.252.25] has joined #synfig 11:49 < AkhIL> how? When I start synfig studio it creates new document 11:53 < dooglus> AkhIL: I'll make settings for both these things later 11:53 < dooglus> AkhIL: but it seems useful for the default initial state to be to get the user started as easily as possible don't you think? 11:53 < AkhIL> sure 11:57 < dooglus> AkhIL: for now, export SYNFIG_DISABLE_AUTOMATIC_DOCUMENT_CREATION=1 11:57 < dooglus> AkhIL: (as of r1523) 11:57 < AkhIL> ?? 11:57 < AkhIL> ok 11:59 < dooglus> I just discovered a new crash 12:01 < dooglus> is there a wiki page for these environment variables? 12:02 < CIA-39> synfig: dooglus * r1521 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/ (5 files): Use set_sort_column() instead of the deprecated set_sort_column_id(). 12:02 < CIA-39> synfig: dooglus * r1522 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/layertree.cpp: Allow the layer panel to be sorted by layer name. Resize the layer name column to fit the layer names. Rename the "Layer" column to "Name". 12:02 < CIA-39> synfig: dooglus * r1523 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/app.cpp: 12:02 < CIA-39> synfig: If environment variable SYNFIG_DISABLE_AUTOMATIC_DOCUMENT_CREATION is set, don't 12:02 < CIA-39> synfig: create a blank document on startup, even if no documents were specified on the 12:02 < CIA-39> synfig: command line. I'll add proper configuration items within the gui for this and 12:02 < CIA-39> synfig: other recent changes soon. 12:10 -!- TMM [n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 12:11 -!- TMM [n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #synfig 12:29 < dooglus> http://synfig.org/Environment_Variables 12:31 < pabs3> iirc the command-line page has env vars on it 12:50 < dooglus> in the wiki? 12:55 < pabs3> http://synfig.org/Synfig_Core_options 12:56 < pabs3> I think maybe it would be good to split that into Command_line and Environment_Variables 13:01 -!- MangoFusion [n=jamesu@host86-147-213-63.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 13:01 < dooglus> especially since all(?) the environment variables only apply to studio anyway not core 13:06 < dooglus> the wiki search isn't very good - I tried finding "SYNFIG_DISABLE" but found nothing 13:07 < pabs3> aye, google can be better 13:07 < pabs3> don't forget to update http://synfig.org/Documentation when you add new docs 13:07 < pabs3> well, new top-level ones anyway 13:07 < dooglus> if I search for the full string it's ok, but I was searching for the 'disable poly' one, and the wiki page had the previous 'enable poly' version 13:09 < dooglus> I made stub pages for a lot of the missing pages earlier 13:09 < dooglus> lots of layers had bad links - I linked them to the appropriate section of the Layers page 13:17 -!- tester [n=tester@61.49.252.25] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 13:36 < pabs3> dooglus: feel free to beat me to genete's patch 14:06 < dooglus> ok 14:15 -!- MangoFusion [n=jamesu@host86-147-213-63.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #synfig 14:25 * pabs3 wonders how genete got papagayo to run without the source code for _lm.dll 14:31 -!- factor [n=factor@ip68-14-160-70.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:35 < pabs3> papagayo needs a community fork to gather all the modifications other people have done 15:42 -!- genete [n=Genete@84.122.53.117.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #synfig 15:45 < genete> pabs3: I downloaded papagayo compiled linux version. It has the source code (phyton) and I think it can be run by it too 15:47 < AkhIL> when I saw papagayo last time it has precompiled library without sources and in one nice day stoped working on my system because of lib dependences 15:47 < AkhIL> so If you got real OSS fork of papagayo please let me know 15:48 < genete> I've not modified nothing from papagayo. I just commited a patch to synfig to read papagayo's files 15:59 -!- MangoFusion [n=jamesu@host86-147-213-63.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 16:14 -!- factor [n=Factor@32.148.152.213] has joined #synfig 16:51 < genete> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQ-ku0bA23A 16:54 -!- MangoFusion [n=jamesu@host86-147-213-63.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #synfig 16:56 -!- pabs3 [i=pabs@d122-104-115-97.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 16:57 < genete> http://synfig.org/Video_Tutorials 16:57 < genete> please watch the video and feed back 16:58 < genete> see you later 16:58 -!- genete [n=Genete@84.122.53.117.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit ["Abandonando"] 17:01 < factor> i wont get to see it till after work 17:03 < factor> Was anyone working on a firerfox toolbar for synfig? 17:03 < factor> if not i will try to mess around with one 17:03 < factor> They are usefull. 17:04 < factor> still working on the one for my eb page 17:07 < factor> pretty easy to make a simple one 17:07 < AkhIL> I think nice tutorials may be made directly in synfig. Like inkscape's tutorials 17:08 < AkhIL> you reading something and trying it in same place 17:11 < factor> yes 17:11 < factor> i love that 17:12 < factor> computer aided memoryu 17:12 < factor> heh 17:12 < factor> hard toi remember stange key coimbo commands 17:55 < MangoFusion> no sound? 18:10 -!- MangoFusion [n=jamesu@host86-147-213-63.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit [] 18:19 -!- MangoFusion [n=jamesu@host86-147-213-63.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #synfig 18:24 -!- xerakko [n=Miguel@debian/developer/xerakko] has joined #synfig 18:42 -!- TMM [n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 19:01 -!- factor [n=Factor@32.148.152.213] has quit ["mIRGGI meni puis"] 19:52 -!- MangoFusion [n=jamesu@host86-147-213-63.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit ["Not here"] 20:04 -!- Yoyobuae [n=quete@201.224.135.156] has joined #synfig 20:10 < Yoyobuae> dooglus: found something interesting about how links are saved in SIF files 20:10 < Yoyobuae> http://members.lycos.co.uk/yoyobuae/links.sif 20:11 < Yoyobuae> it has 2 circles, their positions are linked 20:12 < Yoyobuae> when studio opens it, both "Position" are linked and identical, just as expected 20:12 < Yoyobuae> but if you look at the "pos" params on the SIF file itself, you'll notice something interesting 20:28 -!- TMM [n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #synfig 20:33 < dooglus> genete: that looks great. very slick with the pan and zoom. did you use a professional video editing suite? ;) 20:39 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: what's odd? 20:39 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: you expected to see the 'add' written out in full twice? 20:40 < Yoyobuae> synfigstudio does write it twice =) 20:40 < Yoyobuae> i had to manually edit that file 20:40 < Yoyobuae> if you save it again with synfig studio it changes 20:41 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: i think it depends... sometimes once, sometimes twice? 20:41 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: doesn't it depend on whether the file has been loaded from disk or created in that session? 20:41 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: i've noticed it was odd before 20:42 < Yoyobuae> when i first created that file, it wrote it twice 20:43 < Yoyobuae> i just loaded links.sif again, the hit save. synfig wrote the missing nodes 21:08 -!- genete [n=Genete@84.122.45.237.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #synfig 21:08 < genete> hi 21:10 < dooglus> hi 21:10 < dooglus> I like the tutorial :) 21:10 < genete> hi dooglus 21:10 < genete> oh thanks! :) 21:10 < genete> did you notice the right click problems? 21:12 < genete> durignt the video there are two or three times that the cursor is changed to normal arrow but no pop up menu is shown. 21:12 < Yoyobuae> i like the pan/zoom and blur effects =) 21:12 < genete> Yoyobuae: thanks, everything done in synfig! :) 21:13 < dooglus> I noticed you were having trouble with the top centre of the heart 21:14 < dooglus> something to do with the recording software you used, you think? or does it happen often? 21:14 < genete> it was the first time and I guess the record software is not the issue. 21:14 < genete> I mostly believe that is you recently close a bline then the pop up menu have problems. 21:15 < genete> I have to repeat same recipe. 21:15 < dooglus> in the layer list, you can sort by Z-depth, reversed. so the topmost layers are listed last. then, if you select a layer and click 'raise' or lower', it moves the wrong way, and often crashes 21:15 < genete> beatiful bug fund dooglus =) 21:18 < genete> dooglus: reviewing the logs I read "< dooglus> genete: that looks great. very slick with the pan and zoom. did you use a professional video editing suite? ;)" I guess you're just kidding about the video editor... it was al done in synfig 8) 21:19 < Yoyobuae> or by "professional video editing suite" he meant Synfig =) 21:25 -!- factor [n=Factor@32.146.156.114] has joined #synfig 21:31 < dooglus> genete: yeah, I was joking 21:31 < dooglus> genete: I knew you used synfig really 21:32 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: do you know gtkmm well? 21:33 < Yoyobuae> uhmm, no XD 21:35 < genete> I guessed it =) 21:36 < genete> (I guessed ou were kidding, not that Yoyobuae doesn't know gtkmm....) 21:40 * factor dores not get to use synfig at work 22:08 < genete> dooglus: building studio I obtain this warning: /usr/share/aclocal/glib.m4:8: warning: underquoted definition of AM_PATH_GLIB 22:08 < genete> run info '(automake)Extending aclocal' 22:08 < genete> or see http://sources.redhat.com/automake/automake.html#Extending-aclocal 22:08 < genete> is that bad? 22:15 < genete> dooglus: nice changes the auto start up file! 22:19 < dooglus> genete: you like? I saw the suggestion in the wishlist, and it was simple to do 22:19 < dooglus> genete: I don't know about automake - I do tend to ignore its warnings though 22:20 < genete> sometimes it is boring to set the time and press ok =) 22:20 < dooglus> what's the verb for what iterators do the things you access through them? they don't 'point' I guess 22:20 < genete> ok so for get the warinings 22:22 < factor> compiz has some nice make files colorful 22:41 < dooglus> factor: colorful makefiles? 22:41 < dooglus> factor: how do you color plain texT? 22:47 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: did you write any documentation? I was just making a start on some. 22:47 < Yoyobuae> dooglus: nope, not yet 22:48 < Yoyobuae> dooglus: iterators point into other objects: http://www.sgi.com/tech/stl/Iterators.html 22:50 < dooglus> is "assert((bool)true);" of any possible use ever? 22:51 < dooglus> ok, I'll use 'point' then. I thought maybe it was best not to, because they may well not be implemented as pointers. 22:53 < Yoyobuae> "assert((bool)true);" verifies that "true" is indeed "true" XD 22:54 < Yoyobuae> be back later =) 22:54 -!- Yoyobuae [n=quete@201.224.135.156] has quit [] 22:58 -!- TMM [n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 22:58 < factor> dooglus :output shell ansi code like bash prompts 23:03 -!- TMM [n=hp@ip565b35da.direct-adsl.nl] has joined #synfig 23:07 < factor> dooglus:i will showe you some when i get home not typing out hex code on my phone :) 23:12 < dooglus> factor: you mean when you run 'make', the output is color? 23:14 < factor> yup 23:16 < factor> make it look like a bootup session (OK) or (FAIL) 23:16 < factor> Makes it easier toi tell when something is missing or wrong 23:20 < dooglus> ah, ok. synfig's build produces lots of messy output 23:29 -!- xerakko [n=Miguel@debian/developer/xerakko] has quit ["Ex-Chat"] 23:30 < factor> heh 23:39 -!- ulrik [n=ulrikbod@213-65-95-57-no42.tbcn.telia.com] has joined #synfig 23:40 < ulrik> hi! 23:40 < genete> hi ulrik :) 23:40 < ulrik> hi genete! :) 23:41 < ulrik> have you noticed that short cut: cntr-o is broken for onion skin? 23:42 < ulrik> it now open the file-open dialog 23:42 < genete> yes it is true 23:42 < ulrik> is it changed? 23:42 < ulrik> is there a short for onion skin? 23:43 < genete> i don't know 23:44 < ulrik> genete: nice tutorial, very well planned and executed!! 23:44 < genete> thanks :) 23:44 < ulrik> ok 23:44 < genete> did you take notice of the heart at the end...? it is saying "I love synfig" 23:44 < genete> it was unintentionally 23:45 < genete> but it is nicee 23:45 < ulrik> hehe...that's cute! 23:47 < ulrik> it's very nice zooms 23:49 < genete> =) 23:51 < dooglus> the only letter of 'onion skin' not yet used for something is control-k 23:52 < ulrik> what about using the "alt" key in conjunction with o? 23:52 < ulrik> hi dooglus! 23:54 < dooglus> hi 23:54 < dooglus> I just checked in a revision with it at ^k 23:55 < dooglus> I can look at moving it to alt-o - is that free? 23:55 < ulrik> I think it is free, nothing happens here at least 23:56 < dooglus> all the other toggles (grid snap, grid show, lo-res) are on control keys 23:56 < dooglus> but then, duck visibility toggles are alt-1 through 6 23:56 < dooglus> so... 23:58 < ulrik> dooglus: i read somewhere that you implemented checkboxes for the view options, or if you planned to do so? 23:59 < ulrik> about alt-o, i vote for that 'cause i'm so used to the letter o...hehe....lazy --- Log closed Wed Jan 30 00:00:14 2008