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00:00 < genete> I thing that now we're gathering the results of the good past work...
00:01 < factor> that is pretty cool
00:01 < pixelgeek> How did you get the delay between the wiggles kicking in?
00:01 < pixelgeek> Or why don't the wiggles all happen at the same time?
00:02 < genete> I converted the time Offset of the paste canvas to be bline width too...
00:02 < pixelgeek> Ah
00:02 < genete> and the amount to be the index of the dup
00:03 < pixelgeek> Centipedes next stop..
00:03 < genete> lots of things can be done using this
00:03 < genete> perfect eyelashes for example
00:06 < genete> I believe that dooglus is not conscient of the importance of some of the features he had included to synfig in the last months...
00:09 < xerakko> genete, which are them?
00:09 < genete> hi xerakko: duplicate layer and the latest convert types are the main ones.
00:11 < genete> it allows particles, brushes, layers follow blines and align them...
00:12 < genete> the random convert is one of my favourites :)
00:13 < xerakko> o_O
00:17 < genete> xerakko: what does o_O mean ? :)
00:17 < xerakko> surprise!
00:19 < genete> glad or angry surprise?
00:20 < factor> :o
00:20 < factor> heh
00:21 < genete> 8-O
00:21 < genete> (that's surprise emoticon to me)
00:21 < factor> well i am out for a bit back later
00:31 < genete> night all
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01:29 < pixelgeek> Morning pabs!
01:30 < pabs3> hoi pixelgeek, all
01:30 < AkhIL> greetings!
01:31 < pabs3> what are these animated brushes genete was talking about?
01:32 < pixelgeek> dooglus posted an example of using duplicate together with a bline
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01:33 < pixelgeek> reproducing genete's face all along the line
01:33 < pixelgeek> genete came up with another example
01:33 < pixelgeek> http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/Genete/synfig/genete-brush-3.gif
01:36 < Yoyobuae> yeah i was seeing it, it's very nice
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01:45 < pabs3> interesting
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02:03 < pabs3> AkhIL: lovely valentines animation!
02:03 < AkhIL> thanks
02:09 < AkhIL> I just have good references from googlevideo
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08:38 < pabs3> yo omry
08:38 < omry> yo pabs3
08:44 < omry> pabs3, just speaking with someone from Australia on email, he wants to use FireStats (my stats system) for a CeBIT even site (Official one).
08:44 < pabs3> cool :)
08:44 < omry> the site for the next event.
08:44 < omry> yeah.
08:45 < omry> trying to get some exposure for my system :)
08:45 < omry> he contact me.
08:45 < pabs3> good stuff
08:45 < omry> yeah
08:46 < dooglus> "The following sites falls under the definition of commercial sites"?
08:46 < dooglus> is that the same firestats?
08:47 < omry> dooglus, think so
08:47 < omry> is that from the commercial use page?
08:48 < dooglus> yes
08:48 < dooglus> s/sites/site/
08:49 < dooglus> or s/falls/fall/ rather
08:49 < omry> okay, I am not a native English speaker. what would be the full correct sentence?
08:49 < omry> sites fall ?
08:49 < dooglus> Any site who's main purpose : s/who's/whose/
08:50 < omry> fixed, thanks.
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09:40 < dooglus> grrr
09:40 < dooglus> if you turn off auto-saving, it doesn't auto-save any more!
09:40 < dooglus> and then, if it crashes, you can't restore!!
09:40 < dooglus> what a stooopid feature
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11:17 < dooglus> walk cycle: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/centipede.gif :)
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13:13 < dooglus> http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/centipede-2.gif
13:21 < AkhIL> cool
13:23 < fishb_> nice !
13:27 < dooglus> http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/centipede-2.sifz
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13:33 < genete> hey!
13:33 < dooglus> hi genete
13:33 < genete> Scary centipede!!!
13:33 < dooglus> lol
13:34 < dooglus> don't have nightmares :)
13:34 < genete> try to watch it with MS IExplorer... it sucks...
13:35 < genete> I don't understand how bad still the animated gif is viewed under Explorer
13:35 < dooglus> I'm trying to edit the 'bline' exported value
13:35 < dooglus> I select it in the Children panel, but it won't let me move the right-most vertex
13:35 < dooglus> any idea why?
13:36 < genete> cannot reply untill don't see the file. I'm at work now :)=
13:37 < dooglus> ok
13:37 < genete> Maybe the vertex is converted? or any of its subparams is connected to a converted one?
13:37 < dooglus> I'm not sure how to tell
13:37 < dooglus> the children panel doesn't show much
13:38 < genete> connect an external bline to the exported one and expand it.
13:39 < dooglus> ok, all 3 vertices are animated
13:39 < dooglus> oh, I can edit it now
13:39 < dooglus> I guess something else was on top of the duck I was trying to move
13:40 < dooglus> ah, yes
13:40 < dooglus> I had a layer selected whose position was a 'Bline Vertex' convert of that same vertex
13:41 < dooglus> wouldn't it be good if you could 'unselect all layers'?
13:41 < dooglus> I don't see any way at the moment
13:45 < dooglus> oh, I see a way. on caret>edit>unselect-all-layers
13:48 < genete> :)
14:02 < genete> dooglus: would it be possible to create a button for encapsulate layers and for select all children layers? They are two very common tasks that I think they don't have shortcuts.
14:09 < AkhIL> can I remove text below buttons in dialogs?
14:12 < genete> AkhIL: yes but it depends on the Desktop manager. It is a common option for GNOME as well as for KDE.
14:14 < AkhIL> can I chenge it without Desktop Environment?
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14:16 < factor> yeah the centipede was cool
14:17 < factor> yeah select all lower layers or select all in layer
14:18 < genete> There is a shortcut for select all the ducks (CTRL-A)
14:21 < genete> but as far as I know there is no shortcut for select all the children layers (if you're over a paste canvas layer)
14:22 < factor> ahh
14:22 < factor> select all ducks under layer
14:22 < factor> ok so all all not just all layer
14:23 < factor> I wish I could get some time on coding synfig stuff
14:23 < factor> I have afew key combos I would like to add
14:23 < factor> doing a computer show tomorrow , getitng ready for that
14:24 < factor> I usualy show off synfig and other apss.
14:24 < factor> apps
14:24 < genete> what's the audience?
14:24 < factor> all sorts
14:25 < factor> not just geeks but it is a computer show for selling used and new stuff
14:25 < factor> I used to go to all the shows but this is about all that is left
14:25 < factor> but works out well
14:26 < factor> kids adults geeks , most are com[puter savy
14:27 < genete> nice
14:27 < genete> good luck with the presentation ;)
14:27 < factor> yeah staying home from work today to catch up on setitng everything up
14:28 < genete> this weekend I'll be outside home. Maybe I can connect to the IRC but cannot reach synfigstudio... :(
14:28 < genete> So, don't make cool changes or cool animations this weekend!!!! eh?! ;)
14:28 < pabs3> :)
14:30 < factor> heh sucks
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14:35 < factor> back already
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15:05 < dooglus> CIA-27: wakey wakey!
15:05 * dooglus kicks CIA-27
15:05 < CIA-27> ow
15:06 < dooglus> it would be nice if kicking him made him check the svn repository
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15:29 < CIA-27> synfig: dooglus * r1696 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/duckmatic.cpp: Show width ducks for exported blines.
15:29 < CIA-27> synfig: dooglus * r1697 /synfig-core/trunk/src/ (4 files in 4 dirs): ParamDesc::set_scalar(String) and ParamDesc::set_hint(String) were identical. Got rid of set_scalar(String) and use set_hint() instead everywhere.
15:29 < CIA-27> synfig: dooglus * r1698 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/duckmatic.cpp: If a layer has the "width" hint set, but has no "width" parameter, scale the width ducks by 0.5.
15:29 < CIA-27> synfig: dooglus * r1699 /synfig-core/trunk/src/modules/mod_particle/plant.cpp: The plant layer has used the "width" parameter of the vertices in its bline, but hasn't shown its width ducks until now.
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15:30 < dooglus> re. genete's request for an "encapsulate" button - we'll need an icon for "encapsulate"
15:30 < dooglus> any ideas?
15:31 < dooglus> I slightly modified the 'duplicate' icon, but surely someone can do better?
15:31 < dooglus> http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/duplicate_icon.sif
15:31 < dooglus> http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/encapsulate_icon.sif
15:37 < AkhIL> can someone add one more env vatiable to turn of text on buttons in dialogs
15:37 < AkhIL> for guys without gnome like me
15:37 < AkhIL> ?
15:40 < dooglus> do you have any idea how that's done?
15:40 < AkhIL> no
15:42 < pabs3> which dialogs do you mean?
15:43 < AkhIL> pabs3: like layers and groups
15:43 * pabs3 didn't know they could have text on them
15:43 < Zelgadis> they could
15:44 < AkhIL> there is buttons on bottom of this window
15:52 < dooglus> AkhIL: do you have "gconftool-2" in your path?
15:53 < AkhIL> dooglus: i have no gnome at all
15:53 < AkhIL> i'll try to find what chenges in live cd with gnome
15:54 < dooglus> gconftool-2 --type string --set /desktop/gnome/interface/toolbar_style icons
15:54 < dooglus> that seems to be the setting
15:54 < AkhIL> hmm... I can install gconf. it have only 3 unsolved dependences
15:54 < AkhIL> thanks
15:55 < dooglus> ok
15:55 < dooglus> maybe once you've set it you can uninstall gconf again?
15:56 < Zelgadis> you can edit gconf configuration by editing contents .gconf2 folder
15:57 < AkhIL> Zelgadis: thanks
15:58 < dooglus> AkhIL: I have this file:
15:58 < dooglus> ~/.gconf/desktop/gnome/interface/%gconf.xml
15:58 < dooglus> with this content:
15:58 < dooglus>
15:58 < dooglus>
15:58 < dooglus>
15:58 < dooglus> icons
15:58 < dooglus>
15:58 < dooglus>
15:58 < AkhIL> yes. I got it in live cd
15:59 < AkhIL> thanks again. It is better then mine
16:04 < dooglus> mine had other stuff, but in separate sections
16:06 < AkhIL> just this part doesn't work
16:06 < AkhIL> i'm installing gconf
16:11 < CIA-27> synfig: dooglus * r1700 /synfig-studio/trunk/ (6 files in 2 dirs): Add an "encapsulate" button to the layer dialog. Can someone design a better icon for it please?
16:44 < AkhIL> hmm... even gconftool-2 does nothing
16:45 < AkhIL> seems it requires something from gnome
16:45 < Zelgadis> I have gconf-2 process started with gnome
16:45 < Zelgadis> Maybe he keep track of configuration
16:46 < Zelgadis> and behaviour
16:46 < AkhIL> which package contains this tool?
16:47 < Zelgadis> hmmm...
16:47 < Zelgadis> bash-3.2$ which gconfd-2
16:47 < Zelgadis> which: no gconfd-2 in (/usr/lib64/qt-3.3/bin:/usr/kerberos/bin:/usr/lib64/ccache:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/home/zelgadis/bin)
16:47 < Zelgadis> strange..
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16:49 < Zelgadis> Process manager says gconfd-2 is spawned by gnome-session
16:51 < genete> dooglus: this is my proposal for encapsulate icon: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1894520&group_id=144022&atid=757418
16:58 < AkhIL> Zelgadis: /usr/libexec/gconfd-2
16:58 < Zelgadis> O_o
16:59 < AkhIL> but even this didn't help
16:59 < genete> Zelgadis, AkhIL what OS do you use?
16:59 < Zelgadis> Fedora 7
16:59 < pabs3> not 8?
17:00 < Zelgadis> I don't have time to upgrate every 6 months :)
17:00 < Zelgadis> and have no reason for this ;)
17:01 * AkhIL starts to hate gnome
17:03 < AkhIL> Zelgadis: does gconfd-2 have some arguments in your processlist?
17:03 < pabs3> Use debian stable then :)
17:03 < genete> In gnome I run gnome-ui-properties to show or hide the texts on buttons
17:03 < pabs3> Zelgadis: how long is fedora 7 security supported?
17:04 < AkhIL> genete: gentoo
17:04 < Zelgadis> AkhIL: bash-3.2$ ps -ax|egrep gconf
17:04 < Zelgadis> Warning: bad syntax, perhaps a bogus '-'? See /usr/share/doc/procps-3.2.7/FAQ
17:04 < Zelgadis> 3069 ? S 0:00 /usr/libexec/gconfd-2 6
17:04 < Zelgadis> 5226 ? S 0:00 /usr/libexec/gconfd-2 12
17:04 < Zelgadis> 8276 pts/0 S+ 0:00 egrep gconf
17:05 < Zelgadis> pabs3: still supported. About a year, I think
17:05 < genete> AkhIL: but ahve you got Gnome as Desktop Manager?
17:05 < Zelgadis> pabs3: debian is too conservative for me
17:05 < Zelgadis> pabs3: and I like rpms!
17:06 < Zelgadis> pabs: (build)
17:06 < pabs3> heh
17:06 < Zelgadis> pabs3: I'm Fedora fan! :-D
17:06 < genete> dooglus: can you modify the encapsulate thing to let the encapsulated layer selected after the encapsulation?
17:06 < pabs3> I see :)
17:07 < AkhIL> genete: it is to much to install. I'm trying to keep system clean
17:07 < AkhIL> so installing gnome only for pushing one button not good for me
17:07 < genete> ok. Keep things clean is a good thing
17:07 < Zelgadis> dooglus: Which classes are used for toolbar buttons?
17:08 < genete> see you on monday guys!
17:08 < Zelgadis> bye genete
17:08 < pabs3> have a good weekend genete
17:08 < genete> dooglus: thanks for quick encapsulate button implementation!! and consider my patch!! :)
17:08 < genete> thanks, bye
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17:13 < Zelgadis> dooblus: maybe just remove labels from buttons?
17:13 < Zelgadis> dooglus: maybe just remove labels from buttons?
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17:15 < AkhIL> it's a kind of magick!
17:15 < AkhIL> gconfd seems just falls
17:16 < pabs3> I thought that buttons are a gtk thing, gtk doesn't use gconf, nor does synfig IIRC
17:16 < Zelgadis> I think it uses it through gtkmm
17:17 < dooglus> Zelgadis: I don't know how the labels get onto the buttons
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17:17 < Zelgadis> dock_paledit.cpp:
17:18 < dooglus> pabs3: running the command I pasted earlier changes the appearance of the icons in real time
17:18 < Zelgadis> "/*" - mean comment?
17:18 < AkhIL> all gtk settings in my case comes from .gtkrc-2.0
17:19 < dooglus> pabs3: oh, but only if I'm running GNOME
17:19 < dooglus> pabs3: in XFCE4 it has no effect
17:19 < dooglus> gconftool-2 --type string --set /desktop/gnome/interface/toolbar_style icons
17:19 < pabs3> hum
17:19 < dooglus> gconftool-2 --type string --set /desktop/gnome/interface/toolbar_style both
17:20 < CIA-27> synfig: dooglus * r1701 /synfig-studio/trunk/images/encapsulate_icon.sif: Apply 1894520: A better encapsulate icon from genete.
17:23 < AkhIL> echo gtk-toolbar-style = GTK_TOOLBAR_ICONS >> .gtkrc-2.0
17:23 < AkhIL> and gtk-toolbar-icon-size = GTK_ICON_SIZE_SMALL_TOOLBAR
17:24 < AkhIL> nice 8)
17:26 < pabs3> aha
17:31 < AkhIL> I think it shold be somewhere in wiki
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17:33 < rubikcube> Hi, can synfig import svg graphics as paths?
17:37 < pabs3> no, but there is a converter on the wiki
17:37 < pabs3> synfig.org/Converters
17:37 < pabs3> AkhIL: maybe in the FAQ?
17:38 < AkhIL> pabs3: perhaps
17:38 < AkhIL> gtk-toolbar-style = GTK_TOOLBAR_ICONS will be enough
17:38 < pabs3> I think both
17:39 < AkhIL> second optiond does nothing in synfig case
17:39 < pabs3> ah
17:41 * AkhIL n8
17:42 < Zelgadis> nite
17:42 < pabs3> nite
17:48 < rubikcube> thanks! I'll have a look at it
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18:58 < CIA-27> synfig: dooglus * r1702 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/ (layertree.cpp layertree.h): Comment out a few unused functions.
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20:21 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: hi, sorry, I fell asleep early last night & didn't get a chance to ask you about your diff. equation
20:21 < dooglus> did you write it up on the wiki?
20:21 < dooglus> anyone: fancy designing an icon for 'select all children layers'?
20:21 < Yoyobuae> don't worry, i got disconnected from the internet the whole night XD
20:22 < Yoyobuae> dooglus: im writing a wiki explaining, ill post it later, if internet doesn't quit on me again XD
20:32 < Yoyobuae> dooglus: http://members.lycos.co.uk/yoyobuae/bline_spacing.sif
20:33 < Yoyobuae> numerically resolved the diff equation with a calculator and plugged in the values into "Amount" for the red circles
20:33 < Yoyobuae> the blue circles show the non-adjusted "Amount" from 0.0 to 1.0 in steps of 0.1
20:33 < Yoyobuae> its not perfect, but a good improvement
20:38 < dooglus> yes, it's better
21:21 < Yoyobuae> bline speed compensating method: http://www.synfig.org/Bline_Speed
21:24 < dooglus> thanks
21:32 < Yoyobuae> no problem =). let me know if you need anything else.
21:37 < dooglus> I've been looking at the buttons in the GUI
21:37 < dooglus> in r1700 I added an encapsulate button
21:38 < dooglus> and in r1702 I commented out the only code that tells it what to do
21:38 < dooglus> so why does it still work??
21:43 < Yoyobuae> was the file that you changed really compiled again?
21:51 < dooglus> yes
21:54 < Yoyobuae> then maybe some other code is doing it, you know how "smart" synfig code can be XD
21:55 < Yoyobuae> or more like the code that you though was doing something, wasn't really doing it
21:57 < dooglus> the thing is, it's a new button that I only added today
22:04 < Yoyobuae> the code has a mind of his own XD
22:07 < Yoyobuae> hmm, it just came to me that cubic beziers do have a second derivative
22:07 < Yoyobuae> maybe using the second derivative will make a better compensation technique =D
22:09 < Yoyobuae> but that will have to wait for another day, I've had enough calculus in my head for the last few days XD
22:09 < dooglus> the 2nd derivative will be linear I guess
22:12 < Yoyobuae> yeah but I don't know how will it end up once I add the compensation function =)
22:22 < factor> when is thenew red hat suppose to becomingout
22:23 < factor> the new release of synfig is suppose to be ready for it as well.
22:23 < factor> debian seems to be changing over too unstable at least
22:23 < factor> had to dropback to testing so much change going on in debian unstable
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22:43 < cyborg_ar> hello!
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23:10 < Yoyobuae> who darco
23:10 < Yoyobuae> opps
23:11 < Yoyobuae> hi darco =D
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23:31 < CIA-27> synfig: dooglus * r1703 /synfig-studio/trunk/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Add a 'show all child layers' button to the layer dialog when a single pastecanvas layer is selected. Please, someone, contribute an icon for this to the patch tracker.
23:31 < CIA-27> synfig: dooglus * r1704 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/layeractionmanager.cpp: Include tooltip on the 'show all child layers' toolbar button.
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