--- Log opened Mon Feb 25 00:00:08 2008
00:00 < genete> rubikcube: you're welcome. BTW, when you use the particle template please let me know if you have troubles... I would be glad to help you if I can.
00:00 < rubikcube> genete: hmm, I'd have to co the svn version first...
00:01 < genete> or simply wait a few days and the 0.61.08 will be released.
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00:02 < dooglus> pixelgeek: dragging isn't needed to trigger it - I was triggering it using a script which faked just clicks in a constant position
00:02 < genete> I follow the build instructions and have no troubles to build from svn in my obsolete ubuntu edgy ;)
00:03 < genete> It seems that february challenge has finished :(
00:03 < genete> I hope rore can send something before pabs sets the voting post...
00:04 < genete> bed time here. 
00:04 < genete> Night
00:04 < rubikcube> I don't doubt that it would work, but it's even more work nevertheless
00:05 < genete> rubikcube: I don't make a full rebuild each time. I have some modificaitons that dooglus gave me that allow only build the affected files. 
00:06 < rubikcube> isn't that what a properly make-depended Makefile does for you?
00:07 < genete> it seems that not.
00:08 < genete> I need a trick to let it know where my sources and my libs are to make from them and not a full rebuild each time
00:08 < Yoyobuae> i mixed both approaches =): http://www.synfig.org/Convert#Compatibility
00:08 < rubikcube> nice
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00:10 < genete> nice
00:11 < genete> night again (and this is definitive)
00:11 < Yoyobuae> i have to go now, see you later/tomorrow =)
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00:20 < rubikcube> what's the rationale for not allowing the same conversions for angles and reals?
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01:04 < dooglus> rubikcube: it makes sense to convert a bline's width into a Real, but what is the width of a bline as an Angle?
01:05 < dooglus> you can take the cosine of an Angle, but how do you take the cosine of a Real?
01:05 < dooglus> I guess the rationale is that they're different things, on which different operations make sense
01:21 < pixelgeek> genete: I think pabs extended the deadline to Monday in case rore had an entry
01:23 < pixelgeek> dooglus: subjectively speaking, 1796 seems more stable than 1811 or 1815
01:29 < dooglus> pixelgeek: can you make installers for each version available so I can try them?
01:30 < pixelgeek> yup
01:30 < dooglus> great
01:31 < pixelgeek> 1796 is here - http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=3
01:31 < pixelgeek> You want both 1811 & 1815?
01:44 < pixelgeek> You should be able to scp them from the root of wiki.synfig.com
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02:29 < pabs3> hum rubikcube's email bounced
02:35 < Yoyobuae> hmm, i was wondering why i kept loosing disk space after each synfig reinstall
02:36 < Yoyobuae> Micro$oft's System Restore was on. It ate 1.4GB before i realized and stopped it
02:36 < Yoyobuae> luckily i got the disk space back =) 
02:37 < Yoyobuae> btw, is synfig studio supposed to be 120MB in size?
02:38 < Yoyobuae> it seems weird since the installer package is only 18MB
02:39 < pabs3> er, 120MB?
02:41 < Yoyobuae> i'm guessing tons of code is getting duplicated hundreds of times
02:43 < Yoyobuae> synfigstudio.exe alone is 110MB
02:44 < Yoyobuae> and a test "Hello World!" GTK app I compiled also ended up as a 1.6MB exe =/
02:45 < pabs3> how big after stripping?
02:46 < Yoyobuae> stripping?
02:47 < pabs3> removing debug symbols
02:47 < Yoyobuae> oh, how can i do that? XD
02:50 < pabs3> compile with -s in the CXXFLAGS or run "strip foo.exe" 
02:53 < pixelgeek> synfigstudio.exe installed = 11.2MB
02:53 < pixelgeek> (no debug)
02:54 < pixelgeek> You got a lot of debug symbolw there Yoyobuae !
02:54 < Yoyobuae> pixelgeek: yeah, the original scripts have debug on for synfigstudio
02:55 < pixelgeek> Yup
02:55 < Yoyobuae> i never though it would have such a dramatic impact on filesize
02:55 < pixelgeek> Doesn't help us if there's no way to debug though :(
02:55 < Yoyobuae> well, there is IDA dissassembler =)
02:56  * pabs3 wonders if it was smaller before the mutex changes
02:56 < Yoyobuae> pabs3: it wasn't =)
02:57 < Yoyobuae> but there was a big impact on filesize after the changes
02:57 < pixelgeek> 1815 installer actually a little smaller than 1796
02:57 < Yoyobuae> i guess it was because of more debugging info
02:59 < Yoyobuae> i'm reading a tutorial on debug info stripping (i don't want to recompile at the moment =) ) 
03:02 < Yoyobuae> bleh i was using a wrong option on "strip"
03:02 < Yoyobuae> its 15MB after stripping
03:04 < pixelgeek> (smaller if you don't have the symbols in the first place)
03:04 < pixelgeek> IDA looks very cool - have you tried it with Synfig?
03:05 < Yoyobuae> im gonna try it now
03:07 < Yoyobuae> yeah IDA is outright awesome. it actually makes assembly code somewhat easy to understand =)
03:18 < Yoyobuae> this will take a while XD, I loaded the synfigstudio.exe that had debug info on IDA
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07:17 < AkhIL> synfig looks great with black gtk theme. Thank you guys! http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7046/radicalnightthemeam4.png
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07:19 < pabs3> wow, that looks nice
07:19  * Zelgadis thinks about enabling black theme also
07:32 < Zelgadis> Where can I get windows SVN build >=1812?
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09:28 < dooglus> pixelgeek was going to make windows builds of 1811 and 1815 available, but I don't see them anywhere.
09:28 < dooglus> he suggests 'scp them from wiki.synfig.com', but I guess I would need a username&password to do that
09:29 < pabs3> I'll put them in the synfig.org/files dir
09:30 < dooglus> thanks
09:43 < dooglus> pabs3: did you notice in AkhIL's screenshot how the stock icons are the same size as the synfig icons?
09:44 < pabs3> I do now
09:45 < dooglus> so the stock icons change size depending on the theme, and the synfig ones don't - that's the problem I suppose
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09:48 < pabs3> hmm, ok
09:48 < pabs3> ours are 128x128 on disk, so presumably they could be made to change size
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09:50 < dooglus> it looks fine on Windows too: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/toolbox.png
09:50 < pabs3> put the installers here: http://synfig.org/code/
09:50 < dooglus> except the stock icons have rounded boxes around them
09:50 < dooglus> thanks
09:54 < dooglus> synfig.exe grew from 5.3 to 6.5MB from 1796 to 181[15]
09:54 < dooglus> I was expecting 1815 to shrink it back - guess I didn't do what I thought I did
09:57 < dooglus> although, studio.exe *did* shrink back to its old smaller size
09:58 < dooglus> it looks to me like core hasn't been fully rebuilt - is that possible?
10:00 < pabs3> I wouldn't have thought so considering how Atrus' scripts work
10:01  * pabs3 grrrs in the direction of the sourceforge shell server
10:02 < dooglus> but I think pixelgeek has been modifying his scripts a little to get them to rebuild quicker...
10:03 < pabs3> ah
10:06 < dooglus> I'll try another build here and see if that's more stable
10:07 < dooglus> I don't suppose anyone knows whether it's possible to adjust the sensitivity of the mouse and the touchpad independantly?  if I make one of them useable, the other is either too fast or too slow to use
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13:51 < dooglus> I just build synfig revisions 1796 and 1815 and they came out the same size, pretty much
13:51 < dooglus>   -rwxrwxrwx   1 asus     root       6759309 02-25 13:42 synfig-0.61.07-1796.exe
13:51 < dooglus>   -rwxrwxrwx   1 asus     root       6760274 02-25 12:20 synfig-0.61.07-1815.exe
13:52 < dooglus> pixelgeek's 1796 is much smaller somehow
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14:55  * Zelgadis grabbing synfig 1815
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15:03 < pabs3> KiBi: rore around?
15:07 < pabs3> good catch genete
15:14 < dooglus> Zelgadis: can you tell me whether 1815 still crashes with russian profile names when it tries to auto-save?
15:15 < Zelgadis> dooglus: still downloading. I'll install and check
15:15 < dooglus> thanks
15:15 < dooglus> Zelgadis: also, whether you think it's any less stable than previous builds
15:15 < dooglus> I've tried r1796 and it seems to be just as 'crashy' as 1815
15:16 < Zelgadis> dooglus: No, thank to you. :)
15:16 < Zelgadis> dooglus: I can't tell about stability - I not using synfig on windows
15:25 < dooglus> Zelgadis: now I'm confused...
15:25 < dooglus> if you're not using synfig on Windows, how are you seeing the crash with Russian Windows profile names?
15:50 < pabs3> dooglus: I need to get some sleep, would you have time to close the contest and post a poll thread?
15:50 < pabs3> or Zelgadis or someone else?
16:10 < Zelgadis> dooglus: I trying to teach synfig to my students and friends. They mostly using windows.
16:11 < Zelgadis> dooglus: I have noticed that synfig on Windows is much less stable than on Linux.
16:12 < Zelgadis> dooglus: Now we using home-made Live Fedora 7 images with integrated synfig
16:13 < Zelgadis> dooglus: But I remember the bug I found and got a my friend's computer to test it
16:14 < Zelgadis> dooglus: Now testing :) But my main machine I sitting on is Linux :)
16:14  * Zelgadis loves Linux
16:21 < Zelgadis> dooglus: SVN 1815 on Windows - still crashes (same symptoms) :(
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16:32 < KiBi> pabs3: Still on her train back to her's.
17:36 < factor> people still use windows
17:36 < factor> :D
17:36 < genete> pabs3: please take a look to http://synfig.org/News/Draft and tell me what you think. 
17:37 < cizra> factor: People whip themselves. People hang themselves by hooks inserted into skin.
17:37 < factor> heh
17:37 < Zelgadis> yeah
17:37 < factor> I cant use synfig on my vms box at work.
17:37 < Zelgadis> vms?
17:37 < Zelgadis> what it is?
17:37 < cizra> VAX?
17:37 < factor> heh
17:37 < factor> alpha
17:37 < genete> pabs3: I've not reviewed the logs to see if there is something there interesting. 
17:37 < cizra> Zelgadis: It's an operating system.
17:38 < Zelgadis> oh
17:38 < factor> reading page 
17:39 < Zelgadis> "Changed the about dialog to a splash screen" - not undersand
17:39 < dooglus> Zelgadis: I found a proper fix for the crash with Russian names now
17:39 < Zelgadis> dooglus: reallY?
17:39 < dooglus> Zelgadis: I've spent some time getting a more proper Windows build environment set up, so I can actually build and test on it!  :)
17:40 < factor> I compile on windows too I use mingw stuff
17:40 < genete> pabs3: regarding to main page typo: I'm obsessed with the a/an thing ;)
17:40 < genete> Zelgadis: the old about dilaog is only a splash screen now
17:41 < Zelgadis> dooglus: cool! I think the bug exist for other languages with special characters
17:41 < dooglus> Zelgadis: when you click help>about now you get a proper 'about' box, with different tabs, with credits, etc.
17:41 < dooglus> Zelgadis: yes, I didn't fix it only for Russian - in fact I tested it with Czech, 'cos I know how to type Czech characters
17:42 < dooglus> I changed just one line:
17:42 < dooglus> return Glib::build_filename(Glib::get_home_dir(),SYNFIG_USER_APP_DIR);
17:42 < dooglus> to
17:42 < Zelgadis> genete: maybe just "Implemented proper about dialog based on Gtk::AboutDialog"
17:42 < dooglus> return Glib::locale_from_utf8(Glib::build_filename(Glib::get_home_dir(),SYNFIG_USER_APP_DIR));
17:42 < genete> Zelgadis: it is up to you. It is a wiki :)
17:43 < Zelgadis> dooglus: Oh! So it was really codepage issue. :)))
17:43  * Zelgadis editing wiki
17:44 < genete> Zelgadis: I just copied the commit text from pabs ;)
17:44 < factor> rore not back from fosdem I guess. February Challenge still roreless
17:45 < dooglus> Zelgadis: I would also like to find out why it was crashing rather than just giving an error
17:45 < dooglus> I mean, it will still crash if the disk is full, or the profile isn't writable I guess
17:45 < dooglus> but I can't get it to crash, even without the fix now
17:45 < dooglus> I don't think it's the auto-save that was crashing it
17:46 < Zelgadis> dooglus: Error dialog contains glib error. So maybe it's glib related...
17:47 < genete> Zelgadis: thanks ;)
17:47 < Zelgadis> factor: no one take responsibility to close Challenge without rore :-D
17:47 < factor> heh
17:47 < factor> she must have liked the beer event too much
17:48 < Zelgadis> Is she drinking beer?
17:48 < CIA-41> synfig: dooglus * r1816 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/app.cpp: Fix 1837445: Convert path to profile directory from UTF8 before trying to use it.
17:48 < factor> I dunno
17:48 < Zelgadis> She said she don't like once
17:48 < factor> just saw it was the finally event at fosdem
17:50 < factor> home sick today , afk back to bed
18:02 < Zelgadis> good night to all!
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18:59 < rore> back home \o/
18:59 < rore> hi everyone :)
19:00 < rore> genete will be happy to know that I found some time to doodle splash ideas in the train :]
19:01 < dooglus> rore: thing is, the contest ends today...
19:01 < dooglus> will you be able to submit something today?
19:01 < rore> no problem, today of what timezone ? :p 
19:01 < dooglus> French, of course :)
19:01 < rore> aaaargh, I'm lost ;)
19:01 < dooglus> ie. we're waiting for you...
19:02 < dooglus> that gives you 5 hours I estimate :)
19:02 < rore> ok, enough I think
19:02 < rore> time to eat now, I didn't have a real meal since yesterday evening 
19:02 < dooglus> good luck!
19:02 < dooglus> I'm off out now.
19:05 < genete> good luck rore!!! think that it is only an image so no need to animate it!!!
19:10 < factor> oh sshe is back
19:10 < factor> :D
19:11 < factor> heh
19:11 < factor> contest ends today
19:11 < factor> :D
19:12 < factor> good luck rore
19:12 < factor> and you have to give us the good on fosdem
19:12 < factor> goods^
19:12 < factor> afk get me some food too
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20:11 < rore> hey BTW, do you know that february ends in a few days, not today? ;)
20:29 < Yoyobuae> dooglus: i managed to launch synfigstudio.exe using IDA's debugger
20:30 < genete> rore: it is true. But pabs3 stated that release 0.61.08 before Fedora new release is a priority.
20:30 < rore> ok, no problem, I still have a few things to do, and then I'll head for the simplest doodle I made ;)
20:31 < factor> ppsft
20:31 < genete> anyway I think we can shrink the votaion time a little to make room for your entry. :)
20:31 < genete> votation ^
20:32 < factor> any good points made at fosdem
20:32 < factor> looked like lots of debian stuff.
20:32 < Yoyobuae> dooglus: played around with synfigstudio until i got an exception. the debugger caught it and allowed me to see where it happened (in an ntdll.dll function, called from libsynfig-0.dll)
20:33 < Yoyobuae> dooglus: but i'm not that skilled with IDA.  I need to play with some more, but looks promising =) .
20:36 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: I downloaded some tool from microsoft that catches crashes
20:36 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: but I hadn't built with debugging, so it's not particularly clear
20:37 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: I edited gtkmm/app.cpp today and rebuilt & relinked the change in 47 seconds :)
20:37 < dooglus> (well, not personally you understand - I had the computer do it for me)
20:37 < Yoyobuae> nice
20:38 < dooglus> I'll show you my build script when I'm finished playing with it
20:38 < Yoyobuae> i had to wait 7 minutes each time i tried something on gtkmm/app.cpp =/
20:38 < dooglus> there's no need to 'make package' at all, just to run studio
20:39 < dooglus> and the weird 'sed' stuff can be omitted too
20:39 < Yoyobuae> i figured something like that, but i have zero experience with makefiles and such
20:58 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/mksf.sh
20:59 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: there's a commented '# configure=yes' at the end - uncomment it the first time you run it, but not again, unless files get added
21:00 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: also, once you've run the script, there's no need to run it again - you can just 'make install' in studio/src/gtkmm or in core/src/modules/mod_bmp or wherever you've changed source files
21:00 < Yoyobuae> i need to copy the files from .libs dirs to the installed directory, right?
21:01 < Yoyobuae> into synfig/bin/
21:06 < dooglus> I would just let the script run once through with 'configure=yes' uncommented
21:07 < dooglus> it expects a different directory layout, achieved by downloading pabs' archived svn working directory
21:07 < dooglus> (see the comment at the top)
21:08 < dooglus> then it will make ~/synfig/installed/ with lib, bin, include, etc in it
21:10 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: I updated the comment - you need the openexr tar.gz file in there too
21:12 < dooglus> http://www-306.ibm.com/software/awdtools/purify/win/ might be useful - there's a free trial available
21:17 < genete> dooglus: update patch for spanish translation has been sent.
21:18 < genete> dooglus: can I help on doing some tests before release the new 0.61.08?
21:18 < genete> Remember those test files we created?
21:18 < genete> (well, YOU created)
21:19 < genete> (just to be sure that any severe bug still around)
21:21 < genete> This night is the first debate between two main candidates for Spanish goverment.
21:22 < genete> that's the first debate after 15 years of absence of them
21:23 < dooglus> genete: test files?
21:23 < dooglus> oh, the layers vs. blend effects?
21:23 < genete> yes, the one for the blend method for example
21:24 < genete> yep
21:24 < dooglus> genete: any testing is worthwhile
21:24 < dooglus> but I don't know of anything in particular to focus on
21:24 < dooglus> genete: the biggest problem at the moment seems to be the stability of the windows build
21:24 < dooglus> so I'm looking into that
21:24 < dooglus> trying to find out why it crashes so much
21:26 < genete> OK, I only wanted to help with my poor computer and my old OS ;)
21:32  * genete watching the debate on TV
21:37 < dooglus> genete: can you think of any bugs in svn that weren't in 0.61.07?
21:38 < dooglus> those are the only ones that should really be fixed before release
21:38 < factor> purify works great
21:38 < factor> but i have only used it on solaris
21:38 < factor> sucks valgrind onyl works on ppc or x86
21:41 < dooglus> I've not used purify for more than 10 years I guess
21:41 < dooglus> but it always used to be good, so I guess it's better now
21:42 < dooglus> back when it was sold by 'pure software', then 'pure atria', then 'atria', then 'rational' - and not 'rational ibm' it seems
21:42 < factor> it catches vars that I have missed to initalized or miss initaliszed somewhere when your prog gets big.
21:42 < factor> I have used it and ddd together.
21:42 < dooglus> I remember it was never any good at one particular class of bug - maybe over-running the end of arrays on the stack?  I forget
21:43 < dooglus> anyway, it's a 119MB download, and it's coming at approx 0 bytes per second :)
21:43 < factor> yup
21:43 < factor> huge
21:43 < factor> that is compressed
21:43 < dooglus> it used to fit on a single density floppy :)
21:43 < factor> 0 is not good
21:44 < dooglus> ok, 2177 bytes/sec
21:44 < dooglus> 16 hours remaining
21:44 < factor> ouch
21:44 < dooglus> they should put it on bittorrent
21:44 < factor> i was impressed by it and has a nice map of error tpyes
21:45 < factor> types
21:45 < factor> also used motif
21:46 < factor> which worked good for me on the solaris box I was working on
21:46 < factor> like ddd
21:49 < genete> dooglus: I think the main new introduced bugs were solved. Specially by the duplicate layer. Anyway if a light pops in my mind I'll tell you.
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22:07 < dooglus> genete: I think the duplicate does add new bugs still
22:07 < dooglus> like the 'dancing ducks'
22:07 < dooglus> but it doesn't break anything that was working before - it's just not fully working yet
22:08 < dooglus> only 27 hours left on the purify download now
22:09 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: did you try recovering auto-saved files since your 'recent files' fix?
22:09 < dooglus> I'm getting a crash: Assertion failed: !filename.empty(), file app.cpp, line 1457
22:10 < dooglus> maybe it's a windows thing only, or maybe just due to the way I've built it - but we shouldn't leave auto-save/revert broken!
22:10 < dooglus> genete: do you have a recent build?  and if so, can you recover from crashes using auto-saves?
22:12 < Yoyobuae> dooglus: i disabled autorecover some time ago
22:21 < dooglus> if you run studio and start editing a new file, don't save it, and then have a crash, studio will offer to load the auto-save when you restart, and will call add_recent_file with a blank filename, causing another crash
22:21 < dooglus> I'm pretty sure it didn't used to do that
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22:31 < rore> hm, the color picker doesn't seem to work, I think I should upgrade my synfig version, but i'll do that after the splash stuff 
22:32 < dooglus> rore: the color picker doesn't work on all layers I guess - does it work on basic stuff?
22:34 < rore> I'll was trying to pick a color from a bline layer (and for a bline layer too)
22:35 < dooglus> hmmm, that should be ok
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22:39 < rore> argh, and the way to apply gradients to objects seems to have changed, no it removes the background
22:40 < rore> ho wait ... the color bg was set to onto, strange thing
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23:09 < factor> my favorite color is blue.. no red..
23:10 < factor> :D
23:10  * factor time ticking
23:10 < factor> so when will we be voting
23:10 < genete> dooglus: do you know a secure way to make a crash in linux? If so I can reply you with the windows issue.
23:11 < genete> By now I don't know how to reproduce a crash following a recipe.
23:12 < rore> pfff, now I can go to sleep, yeah
23:13 < genete> night rore :)
23:13 < factor> sweet
23:13 < factor> I like it
23:14 < rore> I think I'll sort a few more photos before, but anyway, I'm done with the splash, and in something like 30mn XD
23:14 < factor> heh
23:15 < rore> (+10mn in the train, trying to find ideas)
23:15 < factor> it works
23:15 < factor> how was fosdem
23:15 < factor> any cool points
23:16 < rore> some interesting conferences, and all :)
23:16 < factor> I bet
23:17 < factor> and your fav was.
23:18 < factor> lots of debian segments
23:19 < rore> "running debian on inexpensive network storage device" was my fav, even if I doubt I'll ever do that. But I discovered some cool stuff :)
23:19 < factor> and did some virtual server stuff. which kinda sucks because of a hack in the 2.6.17-2.6.24.1 lets user get root via vmsplice 2.6.24.2 fixes though
23:19 < factor> heh
23:20 < factor> always good to have the knowledge , no telling what jobs you may  use it on
23:21 < factor> and the beer event
23:21 < factor> did not see you until today , thought you may be stuck at that.
23:21 < factor> :D
23:21 < factor> being it was the last event
23:22 < factor> google came to my meeting this weekend , hopfuly that will build up to be able to have computer conferences here.
23:23 < factor> because any would be a plus here.
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23:27 < genete> dooglus: after produce a crash over a non saved file it tells me this:
23:27 < genete> Imposible abrir archivo "/home/carlos/.synfig/tmp/73D3B5E8-Animaci?n Synfig 2.sifz"
23:27 < genete> In english: Unable to open file "/home/..."
23:28 < genete> so it did not produce a loop crash
23:28 < genete> so when I re run synfigstduio worked properly.
23:29 < genete> by the way I've found a new way to produce a secure crash
23:29 < dooglus> genete: I wonder if that's because of the spanish filename
23:29 < genete> nop
23:29 < dooglus> genete: I booted into linux and can't reproduce it here
23:30 < genete> the filename in spanish is possible to open in its native name
23:30 < dooglus> genete: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/puzzle3.png
23:30 < genete> it says that it cannot be opened because the temporal file doesn't exits
23:31 < genete> (is what I believe)
23:32 < dooglus> temporary, probably?
23:32 < dooglus> what's the secure crash?
23:33 < genete> new file & import an existing one...
23:33 < genete> then export the canvas param
23:33 < dooglus> man :)
23:33 < genete> wait
23:33 < dooglus> exported canvases are pretty messed up, I know already :)
23:34 < genete> now duplicate the exported paste canvas (to make it expandable without need to save)
23:34 < genete> then open the exported canvas into a separate window and edit it (modify)
23:35 < genete> now load the original imported file (surprisingly it is marked as modified and relfects the changed you made into the exported canvas)
23:35 < genete> then revert to saved the just opened file. It crash
23:36 < genete> and when reopen studio and try to recover the fresh and unsaved file it says what I told you.
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23:39 < dooglus> genete: I'm not going to have time to look at that before the release.  can you put it in a bug report please?
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23:40 < genete> dooglus: 5/2 = 2,5 not equal than 8/3 = 2,667. It is an old trick... he he
23:40 < genete> ok I'll put it into a recipe
23:41 < pixelgeek> auto-save's been a bit hit & miss for a while
23:41 < genete> dooglus: do you know the solution for the puzzle or need more explanation?
23:41 < pixelgeek> Sometimes it kicks in, sometimes it just looks at you blankly saying 'excuse me? - nothing to see here'
23:42 < factor> <pixelgeek> rore made her entry
23:42 < genete> hey
23:42 < genete> have to take a look!
23:42 < pixelgeek> Yay - I've just been catching up on the logs, but haven''t checked it out yet
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23:43 < pixelgeek> Ah! hence the brick comment....
23:43 < pixelgeek> very smart
23:45 < genete> yes I like it!
23:47 < factor> for a girl its pretty good.
23:47  * factor ducks :D
23:51 < genete> dooglus: now I cannot reproduce the bug but found other one ;)
23:51 < factor> dho
23:52 < pixelgeek> genete: shhh - don't bug him, he's fixing all the windows instabilities!
23:52 < genete> hey
23:52 < genete> he asked me to do that!! :)
23:52 < pixelgeek> And we're still waiting!!!!
23:52 < genete> <dooglus> genete: I'm not going to have time to look at that before the release.  can you put it in a bug report please?
23:53 < pixelgeek> ;)
23:53 < genete> pixelgeek: so the feb challenge can be closed then?
23:56 < pixelgeek> I don't think we're waiting on anyone else now....
23:57 < pixelgeek> As a participant, I don't want to be the one to close it and do the poll though (that and I'm supposed to be working right now)
23:58 < genete> I'm so worry about votation. Should I honestly vote my entry? What if everyone votes its own? What if any entry gets 0 votes? ...
23:58 < dooglus> genete: I know the puzzle - I drew it in synfig - and if I remove the thick black lines, the solution is clear :)
23:59 < dooglus> watch http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/puzzle3hint.gif from 5s to 10s :)
23:59 < genete> dooglus: yeah it is an old one :)
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