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01:20 < xerakko> anybody is "on"?
01:22 < xerakko> dooglus, ?
01:32 < dooglus> xerakko: hi
01:35 < xerakko> hi dooglus 
01:35 < xerakko> I've lost my acces to voria svn
01:35 < xerakko> (lost password)
01:35 < dooglus> I think darco is the only one who can help with that
01:35 < xerakko> are you admin?
01:35 < dooglus> I'm not
01:35 < xerakko> aps
01:35 < xerakko> do you hav write acces?
01:35 < xerakko> do you have write acces?
01:35 < dooglus> I do
01:36 < dooglus> commit access?
01:36 < xerakko> yes
01:36 < dooglus> yes
01:36 < xerakko> Could I sent you a file (catalan translation) for synfigstudio?
01:36 < dooglus> sure
01:36 < dooglus> are you translating core as well?  studio uses a lot of strings from core (as you've no doubt noticed)
01:37 < dooglus> dooglus@gmail.com
01:37 < xerakko> not yet
01:37 < xerakko> I've finished only studio
01:38 < xerakko> sent
01:38 < xerakko> tomorrow I'll begin with synfig
01:38 < xerakko> thanks dooglus
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02:11 < CIA-35> synfig: dooglus trunk * r1906 synfig-studio/ (po/ca.po configure.ac AUTHORS): Add Catalan translation by Miguel Gea Milvaques (xerakko).
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05:42 < Yaco> hi KiBi 
06:08  * AkhIL proposes to integrate synfig with guile http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Guile
06:08 < AkhIL> for example for coding new layers
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06:19 < Yoyobuae> AkhIL: maybe not layers, layers implement the rendering code, which would need to be C code for efficiency
06:20 < AkhIL> Yoyobuae: in some cases speed of rendering not so important as speed of development
06:21 < AkhIL> very often artist have to develop special filter only for one shot
06:22 < Yoyobuae> AkhIL: yeah, but in this case the speed of rendering a composition will approach the speed of developing a revision XD
06:23 < AkhIL> moreover C++ not for artist 
06:23 < Yoyobuae> how about a generic "Filter" layer, which takes a script input of some sorts =)
06:23 < Yoyobuae> artists don't write scripts either
06:24 < Yoyobuae> artists draw =)
06:24 < AkhIL> I love renderman because of it have SL. Language which very easy to learn
06:24 < AkhIL> Yes. This is what I'm talking about
06:25 < AkhIL> Yoyobuae: some artist's like to gode something simple
06:25 < AkhIL> take a look processing. It is nice visual coding tool for artists
06:26 < Yoyobuae> which tool?
06:26 < AkhIL> processing.org
06:27 < Yoyobuae> oh, didn't notice that was the name
06:27 < AkhIL> cuted java with IDE made specialy for drawing by code
06:28 < AkhIL> generic node with dynabic inputs will be great
06:29 < AkhIL> like blender's pynode
06:29 < Yoyobuae> huh? you mean a synfig node?
06:30 < AkhIL> yes
06:32 < AkhIL> layer
06:32 < Yoyobuae> layer or node XD
06:32 < Yoyobuae> maybe a generic layer, controled by nodes =D
06:34 < Yoyobuae> i had some ideas for a node with dynamic inputs.  its like a function, provide some "parameter" nodes and get a result value
06:36 < AkhIL> http://wiki.blender.org/index.php/BlenderDev/PyNodes/API - about pynode
06:38 < Yoyobuae> Blender Node == Synfig Layer, right?
06:41 < AkhIL> yes
06:41 < AkhIL> mostly
06:42 < AkhIL> because blender nodes can make same thing like synfig's value nodes
06:44 < AkhIL> so I mean synfig layer which takes one input image from layer below and outputs one image. and maight take more inputs, canvases(image), floats, etc
06:45 < AkhIL> pleas pay attantion. Layer can teake multiple canvases as input. So synfig canvas has all features of blender/shake/combustion/nuke node
06:47 < AkhIL> for practical case displace layer which takes x and y displace amount as R and G in additional canvas and moves pixels of below layer by this abount
06:48 < AkhIL> This generic layer can be used to prototype new filters. And then will be easy to port it to native C++ API
06:48 < Yoyobuae> hmm, interesting
06:51 < Yoyobuae> a generic displacement layer could be made like your example
06:51 < Yoyobuae> but i guess there are things other than displacement that the user might want to do 
06:52 < AkhIL> there is lot of great new layer ides. But because of it is hard for me to do C++ node it is still just ideas
06:52 < AkhIL> for example I wish to do channel mixer
06:53 < AkhIL> color balance layer, chroma key layer
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06:53 < AkhIL> and more more more
06:58 < AkhIL> this generic layer even might be like mentalray shaders. mantal ray takes shaders writen in simple shading language, parse it to native C code and compile it just befor rendering
07:00 < Yoyobuae> parsing and compiling into C code seems going a bit too for, for me at least =)
07:01 < Yoyobuae> s/a bit too for/a bit too far/
07:05 < AkhIL> yah... the most simplest way i think is to implement some exist and well known embedded language
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07:12 < Yoyobuae> or using synfig's valuenodes =D. we would need a lot more valuenodes though XD.
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07:16 < AkhIL> yes. But big hierarchy of valuenodes very hard to modify
07:17 < Yoyobuae> true XD
07:17 < AkhIL> I think scriptable valuenodes will become usefull too
07:19 < Yoyobuae> I'm not sure how hard it would be to add script support to synfig thought
07:22 < KiBi> Hi AkhIL
07:22  * KiBi gets back to bed for 20 minutes.
07:23 < AkhIL> KiBi: hi
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07:39 < AkhIL> http://www.galassi.org/mark//gnudl-doc/learn_libguile_toc.html - I googled it! 8)
07:39 < AkhIL> A tutorial for using libguile
07:42 < AkhIL> http://www.endpointcomputing.com/articles/lisp.html - about lisp's Myths
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12:44 < CIA-35> synfig: pabs * r1907 /synfig-studio/trunk/po/es.po: Apply 1910528: improve keyboard shortcuts for WP in Spanish translation. Thanks genete.
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15:27 < pabs3> KiBi: any more changes for synfig?
15:28 < KiBi> pabs3: thanks for the etl bug
15:29 < KiBi> forgot about that one
15:29 < KiBi> pabs3: besides the © stuff, not that I can think of.
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15:35 < pabs3> KiBi: cool, will finish off and upload
15:35 < pabs3> KiBi: then we wait on NEW processing and can upload studio
15:36 < KiBi> yep
15:36 < KiBi> Hopefully, might be quick, since ISTR there are ftpmaster assistants now.
15:37 < pabs3> cool
15:37 < KiBi> See last bits from the dpl
15:37 < KiBi> FTP assistants
15:37 < KiBi> --------------
15:37 < KiBi>    I am very pleased to let you know that yesterday Peter Palfrader
15:37 < KiBi> (weasel) added Kalle Kivimaa (killer) and Thomas Viehmann (tviehmann) to
15:37 < KiBi> the list of FTP assistants. I still hope that more people can be added
15:37 < KiBi> soon to this team, but this is definitely good news.
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15:43 < pabs3> dooglus: did you add any synfig core command-line options in 0.61.08? Thinking about the synfig manual page 
15:48  * pabs3 looks at the code
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15:57 < CIA-35> synfig: pabs * r1908 /synfig-core/trunk/README: Fix my copyright year to include 2007 since I wrote mod_png then.
15:59 < pabs3> hi genete 
15:59 < pabs3> genete: I couldn't find the extension area of the admin interface, how did you find it?
16:00 < genete> hi pabs
16:00 < genete> let me show you how to
16:01 < genete> my network connection is slow today :(
16:01 < genete> one moment please
16:01 < genete> 1) enter the forum
16:02 < genete> 2) at the bottom of the main page click on the "Adminsitration Control Panel"
16:02 < genete> 3) Retype your password
16:03 < genete> 4) Under "POSTING" tab you can find "Attachement" section
16:04 < genete> 5) There is a link to "Manage extensions groups" and "Manage extensions"
16:04 < genete> As I said that new forum is fully configurable! ;)
16:06 < genete> (sif and siz extensions are at the end of the "Manage extensions" list)
16:07 < pabs3> aha, didn't look at the posting tab
16:08 < pabs3> yeah, it is overloaded with options :)
16:08 < genete> and also every modification you do can be undone. 
16:09 < genete> it has a history entry and any administrator can overrride what other ones did.
16:09 < genete> (anyway I was frightened about broke something...)
16:10 < pabs3> :)
16:11 < genete> (even you can take note of people's birthdays!!) 
16:13 < pabs3> also, darco is thinking of getting synfig a VPS all to itself
16:13 < genete> VPS? Virtual Personal System?
16:14 < pabs3> this way we can switch to debian and not affect the other stuff on the vps, and also we can give more people sysadmin access
16:14 < pabs3> Virtual Private Server
16:14 < pabs3> kinda like vmware
16:14 < pabs3> or chroots
16:15 < genete> aha, so you can change the host OS to debian then. What's now? Windows?
16:15 < pabs3> CentOS - free version of Redhat
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16:23 < pabs3> hmm, I think the gallery page could use some lovin
16:29 < genete> "some lovin"? 
16:29  * genete is specially blind mind lately...
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16:32 < pabs3> lovin = loving = tender care = updating
16:32 < pabs3> there are lots of videos and stills that could be added to the community section
16:33 < genete> quick quiz: what's the name of this wonderful sculpture? http://193.48.70.125/arstella/images/photorama/catalogue/p35.jpg
16:33 < genete> pabs3: yup you're right
16:34 < genete> (don't use google)
16:34 < rore> venus 
16:34 < genete> nop
16:34 < rore> and hello everyone
16:34 < genete> hi rore :)
16:34 < pabs3> hi rore !
16:34 < rore> genete: heh, that was the 1st idea that crossed my mind :)
16:35 < pabs3> did you two notice we have a Catalan translation?
16:35  * pabs3 should add that to the draft news
16:35 < genete> (pabs, that's a low punch...)
16:35 < genete> ;)
16:36 < pabs3> :)
16:36 < genete> one clue: the author was italian :P
16:36 < pabs3> genete: do you feel doing the next synfig irregular news posting?
16:37 < genete> irregular?, yes!
16:38 < pabs3> :)
16:38 < pabs3> I think it is ready to send out
16:38 < genete> rore: if you would see the original once in your  life you'll never forget that vision... I've seen it during my Rome trip last year.
16:39 < pabs3> instructions are up the top
16:39  * pabs3 makes a note that the irc channel topic should be changed
16:39 < genete> pabs3: include some latest ones before I think.
16:40 < genete> I'll do it this late evening.
16:40 < pabs3> genete: cool, thanks :D
16:41 < pabs3> genete: might want to linkify some more stuff - peoples names and so on
16:41 < pabs3> anyway, I should sleeep
16:41 < rore> argh, I'm confusing everything, thinking the author of the catalan translation was italian 
16:42 < genete> rore: solution: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piet%C3%A0_%28Michelangelo%29
16:42 < pabs3> heheh, so did I :)
16:42 < genete> pabs3: ok I'll take account on that
16:44 < pabs3> thanks
16:44 < pabs3> gnite all
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16:44 < genete> and the worth to see web link of the photos is this: http://193.48.70.125/arstella/en/sommaire/index.dim
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18:34 < CIA-35> synfig: pabs * r1909 /synfig-core/trunk/configure.ac: Don't check for libtiff since synfig doesn't use it.
18:50 < KiBi> heh :)
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21:45 < dooglus> KiBi: where can I find the synfig packing SCM?
21:45 < dooglus> packaging
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21:46 < KiBi> dooglus: Using which distro?
21:46 < KiBi> dooglus: http://pkg-synfig.alioth.debian.org/ ; http://alioth.debian.org/projects/pkg-synfig
21:47 < KiBi> dooglus: http://svn.debian.org/
21:47 < rubikcube> totally OT, but related to KiBi's nick:  I just had to think about today's xkcd
21:47 < rubikcube> scnr
21:47 < KiBi> rubikcube: you're not the first one :-)
21:48 < dooglus> KiBi: I mean for debian
21:48 < rubikcube> oh :-)
21:53 < Yoyobuae> dooglus: i managed to restrict the Bline Vertex duck to the bline.  But, in the case of a bline vertex, the bezier and tangent ducks which are linked to the vertex duck behave as if the vertex duck moved outside the bline =/
21:54 < KiBi> dooglus: that's there
21:54 < dooglus> KiBi: any idea why the manual page for synfig is only in the debian tree, not in the upstream?
21:54 < KiBi> dooglus: better ask pabs, I'm not aware of that
21:55 < Yoyobuae> dooglus: I'll have to add the same code in two other places to fix that.  But it doesn't seem right to simply copy/paste the code on several places. =/
21:56 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: right.  best to make a separate method
21:56 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: did you get the bezier code working that you tried yesterday?  or do you still have to select the bline first?
21:56 < Yoyobuae> dooglus: yeah its working
21:57 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: good!
21:58 < Yoyobuae> dooglus: i noticed that we are adding code all around the Duck class, to restrict it's position, to allow it to edit valuenodes, etc
21:59 < Yoyobuae> dooglus: why not change the Duck class instead? maybe even make a derived Duck classes to handle specific cases
22:02 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: sure.
22:03 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: a "QuarterCircleDuck" and a "BlineDuck"?
22:04 < Yoyobuae> yes, it allows ducks to have extended functionality, without too much of a mess
22:06 < genete> pabs3: I don't have admin rights on SF.net so I can only make a new theread in the last forum entry "Synfig irregular news" from 2008-01-02
22:08 < Yoyobuae> I'm not quite sure how to do it though. I suggest we do a wiki page or something, we can then throw some ideas there, list potential Duck designs, etc
22:11 < Yoyobuae> I'm thinking that perhaps the Duck class itself will need a bit of redesign to allow it to be extensible (add some virtual functions that define its behavior)
22:12 < genete> hi people!
22:12 < Yoyobuae> hi
22:13 < genete> Can anyone change the IRC channel topic and add the release of http://synfig.org/News/2008-03-10 ?
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23:27 < genete> dooglus: I'm thinking in a new feature... :D
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23:51 < genete> I call it "clone layer". 
23:52 < genete> currently you can export a paste canvas layer and reuse it anywhere as many times you want.
23:52 < genete> but sometimes what you want to make a clone is simply a effect or combination of effect layers
23:53 < genete> you cannot do it using paste canvas layers (easily) because maybe you want to apply same effect over different layers. 
23:54 < genete> If I have a layer effect and duplicate it, it duplicate its waypoints but once they are duplicated they can have independent animation. 
23:54 < genete> I would like to have all its parameters liked without the need to link them manually one by one. 
23:55 < genete> it would be valid too for all kind of layers except for paste canvas layers because they have its own way of cloning.
23:56 < genete> It would be an alternative to the export canvas option. 
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