--- Log opened Thu Mar 13 00:00:00 2008 00:00 -!- MangoFusion [n=jamesu@host86-147-212-148.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has quit ["Not here"] 00:02 -!- _Elk [n=_Elk@ti0110a340-0355.bb.online.no] has quit [] 00:02 < dooglus> I think I found a new bug: 00:03 < dooglus> 1. make a sif file with a circle in it. save it as c.sifz. close it. 00:03 < dooglus> 2. make a new file file, import c.sifz, save it as c2.sifz, revert it. 00:04 < dooglus> 3. try editing the circle - you're told you can't, because c.sifz isn't open. but select the circle and copy&paste it, and you can. that's modifying c without having it open. save c2, close synfig, restart and reopen c2.sifz - the duplicated circle has been lost. 00:10 < genete> Mmm it is not lost if you copy and past it outside the paste canvas layer... 00:12 < genete> I cannot modify the duplicated circle if it is inside the paste canvas 00:16 < dooglus> no, you can't modify it still 00:17 < dooglus> but you seem to have modified the imported file (by adding layers to it), but the modification doesn't get saved 00:18 < genete> weird but yes, you're right 00:18 < genete> Here is my bug: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1913168&group_id=144022&atid=757416 00:20 < dooglus> it's related to your old bug http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1814151&group_id=144022&atid=757416 00:20 < dooglus> the question is - when should you be allowed to modify a canvas and when shouldn't you? 00:21 < genete> good question 00:22 < genete> I think that if the imported file is not exported it would not allow edit (even see) its content. 00:22 < genete> a double click in the paste canvas layer would open the source file in its own window. 00:23 < genete> then you can do what you want in that window. 00:23 < genete> import a file wouldn't allow see the interiors if it is not open in its own window 00:23 < dooglus> you see how it is when you first import the file (before you revert) - you can't expand the imported canvas 00:24 < genete> so it would stay like that always 00:24 < genete> it is my opinion 00:24 < genete> other can thing other things of course =) 00:27 < dooglus> I think having a bo pop up asking whether you want to open the file for editing would be useful 00:28 < dooglus> maybe with a "don't ask me again" checkbox 00:28 < genete> good idea(s) 00:30 < genete> bedtime 00:30 < genete> see you 00:31 -!- genete [n=Genete@84.122.44.133.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit ["Abandonando"] 00:49 -!- rubikcube [n=kvirc@dslb-088-070-122-031.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies"] 01:12 -!- factor [n=factor@ip68-14-160-70.ok.ok.cox.net] has joined #synfig 01:34 -!- kwizart [n=kwizart@fedora/kwizart] has joined #synfig 01:52 -!- factor [n=factor@ip68-14-160-70.ok.ok.cox.net] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 02:15 -!- pabs3 [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has joined #synfig 02:34 -!- pabspabspabs [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has joined #synfig 02:37 -!- pabs3 [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 02:38 -!- pabspabspabs is now known as pabs3 03:18 -!- pabspabspabs [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has joined #synfig 03:26 -!- pixelgeek [n=chatzill@c-71-59-140-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #synfig 03:36 -!- pabs3 [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 03:38 -!- pabspabspabs is now known as pabs3 03:40 < pabs3> synfig got mentioned twice in LWN this week (in the animation software category): http://lwn.net/Articles/271567/ http://lwn.net/Articles/271567/ 03:47 < pixelgeek> All your news are belong to us! 03:48 < pabs3> :) 03:49 < pabs3> I think it is time to switch the forums over 03:51 < pabs3> there will be a short forums downtime while I do it 03:52 < pixelgeek> seems pretty quiet there too! 03:55 < pabs3> yeah 04:12 -!- kwizart [n=kwizart@fedora/kwizart] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 04:27 -!- pabspabspabs [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has joined #synfig 04:45 -!- pabs3 [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 05:04 -!- pabspabspabs is now known as pabs3 05:04 < pabs3> ok, forum migration done 05:24 < pabs3> pixelgeek: do you think we should open the forums to guest posts? http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=52&p=244#p244 05:26 < pixelgeek> I guess we can try it and see if it gets abused 05:26 < pixelgeek> I kinda like to see the names - it helps tie people together when you see them in IRC 05:27 < pixelgeek> But I suppose they can anonymize themselves if they want to anyhow... 05:28 < pixelgeek> Logo looks squashed. 05:29 < pixelgeek> I can only see 5 forums if I'm not logged in? 05:29 < pixelgeek> by desing? 05:29 < pixelgeek> by design? 05:30 < pixelgeek> ah - scratch that 05:30 < pixelgeek> I just hit the general link instead of the root 05:31 < pabs3> yeah, logo stuff is weird 05:35 < pabs3> fixed it 05:35 < pixelgeek> Do the image attributes need to be square? 05:35 < pabs3> had to modify the database to set the image width and height 05:36 < pixelgeek> :) much better 05:36 < pabs3> looks like you can modify it from the admin interface too 05:36 < pixelgeek> What size font is it running at - 12? 05:36 < pixelgeek> 14? 05:37 < pixelgeek> Seem to have to do a lot of scrolling to get down the front page 05:37 < pixelgeek> (maybe my bpi seting) 05:37 < pixelgeek> (maybe my d]pi seting) 05:37 < pixelgeek> ach. You get the drift 05:37 < pabs3> yeah, it does look bigger 05:38 < pabs3> looking in the admin 05:39 < pabs3> looks like you need to modify the stylesheet from the admin 05:40 < pabs3> pixelgeek: do you recon maybe the support forum should be guest posting too? any others? 05:40 < pixelgeek> nod - a feature of the subsilver2 style sheet 05:40 < pixelgeek> support makes sense 05:42 < pabs3> set the synfig related help to guest posting 05:47 -!- pabspabspabs [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has joined #synfig 05:50 < pixelgeek> bedtime here 05:50 < pixelgeek> 'night! 05:50 < pabspabspabs> nite 06:05 -!- pabs3 [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:06 -!- pabspabspabs is now known as pabs3 06:13 -!- pixelgeek [n=chatzill@c-71-59-140-184.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: 113 (No route to host)] 06:34 -!- pabspabspabs [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has joined #synfig 06:36 -!- pabs3 [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 06:40 < KiBi> \o/ synfig accepted 06:42 -!- pabspabspabs is now known as pabs3 06:42 < pabs3> KiBi: anything more to do on studio? 06:42 < KiBi> pabs3: nope 06:42 < pabs3> KiBi: also, I don't think we need to include libsynfigapp-dev 06:42 < KiBi> did you find the dep handling acceptable? 06:43 < pabs3> yep 06:43 < KiBi> ok. Your call for the -dev package. 06:43 < pabs3> I think we can drop some of the font build-deps, checking 06:44 < KiBi> oO I'm up before 7am; wtf? 06:44 < pabs3> :) 06:44 < pabs3> gonna recommend synfig-examples 07:13 < pabs3> dooglus: any idea what the problem is here? logo.sif::840: error: is missing link 3 (width) 07:16 < pabs3> loading the 0.61.08 logo.sif using the svn synfigstudio 07:20 -!- pabspabspabs [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has joined #synfig 07:25 < CIA-41> synfig: pabs * r1910 /synfig-studio/trunk/README: Woops, add Gerald Young's copyright to the README. 07:26 -!- Yoyobuae [n=Yoyobuae@201.224.135.156] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 07:38 -!- pabs3 [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 07:59 < KiBi> pabspabspabs: did you use proper Replaces: for overlapping files, in synfig-examples? 08:00 -!- pabspabspabs is now known as pabs3 08:00 < pabs3> ah, bugger, I didn't 08:00 < KiBi> (yeah, for some reasons, I'm only thinking of it righjt now) 09:07 -!- pabspabspabs [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has joined #synfig 09:25 -!- pabs3 [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 09:37 -!- pabs3 [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has joined #synfig 09:55 -!- pabspabspabs [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 10:01 -!- pabspabspabs [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has joined #synfig 10:19 -!- pabs3 [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 10:19 -!- pabspabspabs is now known as pabs3 10:22 < pabs3> KiBi: adding conflicts+replaces: libsynfig-doc on synfig-examples should be enough, yeah? 10:43 < pabs3> KiBi: hmm, I think maybe changing the shlibs generated by libsynfig is better than modifying studio, because the synfig package needs the same strict dependencies as synfigstudio 11:17 -!- pabspabspabs [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has joined #synfig 11:19 -!- pabs3 [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 11:19 -!- pabspabspabs is now known as pabs3 11:52 < dooglus> pabs3: yes - logo.sif got edited badly in r1429 and wasn't fixed until r1866. When I fixed the 'straight' compose method, the logo started rendering badly because it depended on the old broken behaviour. my original fix for that was to bump the canvas version of logo.sif without updating the contents of the canvas. 11:53 < dooglus> pabs3: in 0.3 canvases, valuenodes have widths, and studio now checks for that. logo.sif is really a v0.1 canvas, which is what r1866 changes it back to. both 0.61.08 and SVN synfigs render v0.1 canvases fine now. 11:54 -!- pabs3 [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 11:55 -!- pabs3 [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has joined #synfig 12:11 < dooglus> pabs3: the released synfig can render both logo.sif files, and the svn logo.sif file can be rendered by both synfigs. but the svn synfig can't render the released logo.sif (although the released examples/logo.sifz is fine!) 12:13 < pabs3> dooglus: that was studio, but yeah, that sounds about right 12:32 < KiBi> pabs3: Think of versioning them 12:32 < KiBi> Replacing might be sufficient. 12:32 < KiBi> But since you probably want that users delete the previous package, Conflicts+Replaces, yeah. 12:32 < pabs3> KiBi: already uploaded with conflicts/replaces 12:32 < KiBi> Anyway, shlibs can only generate >= foo version, right? 12:32 < pabs3> (unversioned though) 12:33 < pabs3> nope, you can put any dependencies in shlibs 12:33 < KiBi> that's a problem in case the package gets reintroduced later 12:33 < KiBi> ah 12:33 < pabs3> true, I suppose then we can change it to a versioned one 12:33 < KiBi> yep 12:33 < KiBi> gotta move 12:33 < pabs3> laters 12:35 -!- pabspabspabs [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has joined #synfig 12:41 -!- pabs3 [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 12:41 -!- pabspabspabs is now known as pabs3 12:43 -!- mwiriadi [n=mwiriadi@124-169-123-199.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #synfig 12:46 < pabs3> studio finally uploaded to debian 12:49 < mwiriadi> yay 12:49 < mwiriadi> congrats 12:49 < mwiriadi> I'm still trying to figure stuff out 12:49 < mwiriadi> although feedback has been bad lately 12:51 < pabs3> :( 13:03 -!- ZanQdo [n=Daniel@201.201.2.22] has joined #synfig 13:12 -!- pabs3 [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["brb"] 13:15 -!- pabs3 [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has joined #synfig 13:22 -!- mwiriadi [n=mwiriadi@124-169-123-199.dyn.iinet.net.au] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 13:31 -!- pabspabspabs [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has joined #synfig 13:31 -!- pabspabspabs [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 13:33 -!- mwiriadi [n=mwiriadi@124-169-123-199.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #synfig 13:34 -!- ZanQdo [n=Daniel@201.201.2.22] has quit ["Adios"] 13:41 < KiBi> pabs3: Argh, I left the DH_COMPAT stuff :/ 13:41 < KiBi> (which you removed in the end.) 13:49 -!- pabs3 [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 14:02 -!- pabs3 [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has joined #synfig 14:10 -!- Zelgadis [n=zelgadis@87.103.170.142] has joined #synfig 14:13 -!- Zelgadis [n=zelgadis@87.103.170.142] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 15:52 -!- factor [n=Factor@32.147.210.211] has joined #synfig 16:04 -!- Zelgadis [n=zelgadis@87.103.170.142] has joined #synfig --- Log opened Thu Mar 13 16:20:13 2008 16:20 -!- dooglus [n=dooglus@rincevent.net] has joined #synfig 16:20 -!- Irssi: #synfig: Total of 14 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 13 normal] 16:20 -!- Irssi: Join to #synfig was synced in 29 secs 16:35 -!- pabspabspabs [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has joined #synfig 16:38 -!- pabs3 [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has quit [Nick collision from services.] 16:38 -!- pabspabspabs is now known as pabs3 18:41 < KiBi> pabs3: Just answered the bugreport. 18:41 < KiBi> (studio crash with partial upgrades, as usual) 18:42 < pabs3> thanks. hopefully the shlibs changes will help 18:43 < KiBi> I guess I could have -done'd it with the latest upload's version, but I think we might want to wait a bit in case there's a deeper problem. 18:43 < KiBi> I'm apt-get sourcing to see what it looks like. 18:44 < KiBi> pabs3: Do you think it's cleaner to keep it hidden there, or that we should define 2 variables at the top of the Makefile? 18:45 < KiBi> I'm no real preference, just asking. 18:45 < KiBi> *I've got 18:48 < pabs3> I think either way is fine 18:48 < pabs3> I guess I removed the variables because it looks cleaner 18:49 < KiBi> okay 18:51 < pabs3> good to see people are using the debian package though :) 18:51 < KiBi> yep 18:52 < KiBi> It's not like it's a huge burden to update them, anyway. 18:52 < KiBi> (At least IMVHO) 18:54 < pabs3> aye 18:54 < pabs3> anyway, 3AM, sleep time 18:55 -!- _Elk [n=_Elk@ti0110a340-0355.bb.online.no] has joined #synfig 18:56 -!- pabs3 [n=pabs@d122-105-78-204.per9.wa.optusnet.com.au] has quit ["zzz"] 18:59 < KiBi> :) 19:11 -!- Zelgadis [n=zelgadis@87.103.170.142] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 19:17 -!- genete [n=Genete@84.122.44.133.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #synfig 19:27 -!- Zelgadis [n=zelgadis@87.103.170.142] has joined #synfig 19:54 < genete> does anybody know what does the Continuity, Tension and Bias Manual interpolation parameters do? 19:54 < genete> I only see any change with Tempora Tension... 19:56 < rore> no idea, I remember wondering what they do, but I gave up 19:57 < genete> hi rore :) 19:58 < genete> oh! oh! 19:59 < genete> they are useful for TCB Smooth and not for manual! 19:59 < genete> interesting! 19:59 < rore> ah :) 20:00 < genete> in fact it seems to be useful only for TCB Smooth interpolation... 20:05 < genete> it needs a wiki page :) 20:05 < genete> but other day 20:05 < genete> today I feel tired... 20:06 < genete> need to rest, so see you later... 20:06 * genete is away: Estoy ocupado 20:06 -!- xerakko [n=Miguel@debian/developer/xerakko] has joined #synfig 20:08 < rore> genete: hey, that message should be "Estoy cansado" :p 20:09 * genete is back (gone 00:02:55) 20:09 < genete> I don't know to change it quickly. Have to go to the preferences panel and I'm really tired... 20:09 < rore> but that was just a joke ;) 20:10 < rore> Good night genete ! :) 20:10 < genete> don't worry, I know you're just jocking, thanks lady :) 20:10 < genete> closing... 20:10 -!- genete [n=Genete@84.122.44.133.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit ["Abandonando"] 20:15 < factor> cansado 20:23 < factor> No monsters yet 20:23 < factor> i have not worked on mine yet 20:24 < rore> monsters? 20:24 < rore> oh, I see 20:25 < rore> I should look more at the forum :/ 20:26 < factor> estoy! 20:26 < factor> :) 20:26 < rore> trying to learn spanish one word at a time? :) 20:27 < factor> synspeak 20:27 < rore> I like the monster topic, it allows to do almost anything we want :) 20:33 -!- Netsplit card.freenode.net <-> irc.freenode.net quits: CIA-41 20:36 -!- Netsplit over, joins: CIA-41 20:38 -!- factor- [n=Factor-@32.144.40.194] has joined #synfig 20:39 < factor-> fell of the internet 20:41 < factor-> python bot converts some of the langues for me 20:41 < factor-> lanugues even, not the best but is ok 20:44 -!- Zelgadis [n=zelgadis@87.103.170.142] has quit [Remote closed the connection] 20:56 < rore> lanugues? :) lanuguagues ? :p 21:00 -!- rubikcube [n=kvirc@dslb-088-070-018-130.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #synfig 21:05 -!- factor [n=Factor@32.147.210.211] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 21:11 < factor-> cell phone typo 21:13 * rore can't type on cell phones 21:16 < factor-> Nor i 21:18 -!- AkhIL [n=AkhIL@90.188.201.182] has quit [Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)] 21:21 -!- AkhIL [n=AkhIL@90.188.201.182] has joined #synfig 22:08 < dooglus> genete: *T*ension, *C*ontinuity, and *B*ias affect TCB? :) 22:11 < rore> ahah, now you say it this way it's obvious 22:14 -!- genete [n=Genete@84.122.44.4.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #synfig 22:15 -!- xerakko [n=Miguel@debian/developer/xerakko] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] 22:16 < genete> dooglus: yes it does and also temporal tension. But I thought formthe beggining that they are only for manual interpolation. 22:17 < genete> but in fact they are for TCB :) 22:23 -!- Yoyobuae_ [n=Yoyobuae@201.224.135.156] has joined #synfig 22:23 -!- Yoyobuae_ is now known as Yoyobuae 22:34 -!- genete [n=Genete@84.122.44.4.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit ["Abandonando"] 22:40 -!- genete [n=Genete@84.122.44.4.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #synfig 22:41 -!- genete [n=Genete@84.122.44.4.dyn.user.ono.com] has quit [Client Quit] 22:52 -!- rubikcube [n=kvirc@dslb-088-070-018-130.pools.arcor-ip.net] has quit ["KVIrc 3.2.6 Anomalies"] 23:07 < dooglus> genete: my point was that that's what TCB stands for 23:19 < dooglus> I don't like the way that the usernames are in different colors on the fora 23:19 < dooglus> red for admins - do we need that? 23:33 -!- factor- [n=Factor-@32.144.40.194] has quit ["mIRGGI meni puis"] 23:39 < dooglus> R-E-S-P-E-C-T 23:39 < dooglus> Find out what it means to me 23:39 < dooglus> R-E-S-P-E-C-T 23:39 < dooglus> Take care ... TCB 23:47 < dooglus> genete: http://www.geometrictools.com/Documentation/KBSplines.pdf -- describes T,C,B 23:49 < dooglus> tension controls how sharply the curve bends at a control point 23:49 < dooglus> continuity controls the continuity (or discontinuity) at a position 23:49 < dooglus> bias controls the direction of the path at Pi by taking weighted combination of one-sided derivatives at that position 23:58 -!- MangoFusion [n=jamesu@host86-147-212-148.range86-147.btcentralplus.com] has joined #synfig 23:58 -!- genete [n=Genete@84.122.44.4.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #synfig 23:58 < genete> dooglus: you there? --- Log closed Fri Mar 14 00:00:28 2008