--- Log opened Fri Apr 04 00:00:42 2008
00:03 < Yoyobuae> i think wiki skin is very good. But how does it look on lower resolution screens? =)
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00:17 < pixelgeek> Yaco: Very smart!
00:17 < pixelgeek> I just added a couple of comments to the wiki page
00:17 < Yaco> ok pixelgeek, i will check it later
00:18 < pixelgeek> Hmmm - Does it actually mention Synfig in the header area?  
00:18 < pixelgeek> or not until lower down under the tag line?
00:19 < x222fbj> Hi - after viewing the 'install on windows' tutorial (which was excellent) and then installing/using I had a question about ffmpeg.... my attempts to render dv or ffmpeg produced 0 byte files - so I rendered a YUV which worked....then had to download ffmpeg (from afterdawn.com) - and I converted the YUV to avi. So - did I miss something in the install re using ffmpeg?  Did I need to download it or was it part of the instal
00:20 < Yaco> pixelgeek, it not mention Synfig
00:20 < Yaco> i will remodelate the logo area
00:20 < Yaco> and also replace header with images
00:21 < Yaco> i would like to make somethink like Blender site (now is down :( )
00:21 < pixelgeek> x222fbj: good question
00:21 < x222fbj> thanks
00:21 < pixelgeek> dv definately doesn't work as it relies on a library that isn't compiled in
00:22 < pixelgeek> I think you're right that ffmpeg needs to be downloaded as a tird party app to enable creating mpeg
00:23  * pixelgeek goes off to try it on another machine
00:24 < x222fbj> glad to know I didnt miss something simple - I'd add something (maybe to the video) - it got a bit frustrating figuring this out - part of the problem was the ffmped site I came upon seemed to imply ffmpeg was not mature/stable.
00:25 < x222fbj> also - fyi and as part of an upcoming question... here is what i found by searching my PC for ffmpeg.......
00:26 < pixelgeek> You're right.  I'll add a note about extra utilities that may be needed/
00:27 < x222fbj> I cant seem to paste ... I'll add the files later - but basically I see ffmpeg in a few places already (on my pc)
00:28 < x222fbj> I guess I'll not worry about that - and just stick with what  works
00:28 < pixelgeek> x222fbj: you might want to check out http://synfig.org/Render_options - it's a little outdated, but give you a feel for what the options are.
00:29 < x222fbj> in the note you add - pls explain  how/where to configure ffmpeg so I can run the command from any folder - thanks
00:29 < x222fbj> ok - I'll check that - thanks for everything - btw who is behind / developing synfig?
00:30 < pixelgeek> I'll check on my main machine later, but I suspect it's just a matter of ensuring that the ffmpeg.exe file is in a dir that is included in your PATH
00:30 < pixelgeek> Synfig was developed by Voria studios and open sourced when they ceased business.  
00:30 < pixelgeek> The main developer is dooglus right now.
00:31 < pixelgeek> http://synfig.org/History for more details
00:31 < x222fbj> thanks again.... talk to you later I guess - IRCing is a pleasure.   bye
00:31 < pixelgeek> bye
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00:51 < Yoyobuae> synfig current simply runs ffmpeg.exe.  It can't do so if it cant find the exe file.
00:52 < genete> bedtime here
00:53 < dooglus> is there a default place it gets installed to that synfig could look in?
00:53 < genete> night
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00:54 < pixelgeek> Yoyobuae: yes - it needs to be installed first though ;)
00:54 < pixelgeek> dooglus: I don't think so.  I need to check, but I think you just unzip the archive file somewhere.
00:57 < pixelgeek> Yup - they just bundle it as a 7zip file.  
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01:36 < Yaco> there is any hotkey-shorcut list for Synfig?
01:40 < pixelgeek> yes
01:41 < pixelgeek> http://synfig.org/Keyboard_Shortcuts
01:42 < pixelgeek> see also http://synfig.org/Mouse_Shortcuts
01:47 < Yaco> pixelgeek, dont you think it would be a good idea to add a text layer button in the toolbar? 
02:04 < pixelgeek> I can see that.  There are several layers that don't have dedicated tools.  dooglus - what are your thoughts?  
02:04 < pixelgeek> (It'd muck up his nice 3x5 arrangement)
02:05  * pixelgeek going offline to pick up supper and go home
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02:36 < dooglus> I'd like a text tool, why not.
02:41 < Yaco> hi dooglus 
02:41 < Yaco> that would be more intuitive
02:42 < Yaco> and its necesary a shorcut for the keyframe addition function
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03:11 < Yaco> hi again pixelgeek 
03:27 < pixelgeek> Hi Yaco 
03:28 < Yaco> its necesary a shorcut for the keyframe addition function
03:28 < Yaco> what do you think? 
03:32 < pixelgeek> I haven't used them enough to find the lack of a shortcut that limiting....
03:32 < pixelgeek> If we have spare keys, I can't see it hurting.  
03:32 < pixelgeek> Add it to the request page, and maybe dooglus will get to it...
05:42 < pabs3> Yaco: which font is used depends on what you have installed when you build synfigstudio, on Debian it is freefont/dejavu, on windows it will be arial/times new roman
05:42 < Yaco> pabs3, ok! did I mention something about fonts?
05:43 < pabs3> Yaco: yeah, about the splash screen
05:43 < Yaco> ahh!! yeah!
05:43 < Yaco> you got good log memory :-)
05:43 < Yaco> We should add a font box selector
05:43 < pabs3> I just finished reading the backlog since last night
05:43 < pabs3> yeah
05:43 < Yaco> as other fonts can be used, but typing the right name...
05:45 < pabs3> nice theme :)
05:46 < pabs3> adding some comments to the talk page
05:46 < Yaco> great
05:46 < Yaco> iam going to restart work on that in a few minutes
05:48 < Yaco> pabs3, tell me when your comment is ready2read
05:51 < pabs3> will do
06:02 < pabs3> Yaco: posted
06:03 < pabs3> pixelgeek: libdv/ffmpeg/imagemagick just run the executables
06:04 < pabs3> Yaco: ping me when you have the skin ready and I'll add it to the server so we can see how it looks
06:05 < pabs3> it doesn't have to be fully finished before I add it, anything is better than what we have now :)
06:05 < Yaco> i know pabs3 
06:05 < Yaco> i hope i got something in the next days
06:06 < Yaco> I will also like to improve wiki organization, Mainpage, styles, graphics and so
06:06 < Yaco> so maybe I would ask your for burocraic priviigies in my userwiki
06:06 < pabs3> that would be great :)
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06:20 < pixelgeek> pabs3: libdv?  On windows?  
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06:32 < pabs3> pixelgeek: on any platform
06:33 < pixelgeek> Can you point me to a libdv executable for windows?
06:33 < pabs3> pixelgeek: for libdv, the prog is called encodedv
06:33 < pabs3> dunno if there is one
06:34 < pabs3> can't find anything on google, I think it would have to be compiled from source
06:34 < pixelgeek> Haven't found it yet - and I have looked...
06:35 < pixelgeek> Maybe another task for my sabbatical then...
06:36 < pabs3> the code is at http://libdv.sourceforge.net/
06:39  * pixelgeek liking this distributed rendering
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06:40 < pixelgeek> I just did one more scene while ulrik's gallery room is rendering on another machine
06:40 < pixelgeek> And now I can turn this PC off while that one chugs along through the night...
06:48 < pabs3> so the demoreel is going well?
06:51 < factor> chug chug
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07:01 < pabs3> pixelgeek: any idea about this question? http://synfig.org/index.php?title=How_do_I&diff=6277&oldid=6185
07:01  * AkhIL proposes his mouse, eclipse and flower to demoreel
07:02 < pabs3> pixelgeek: IMO that definitely does not belong on the wiki, but whatever 
07:02 < factor> Now i see what they ment by a roto scope method for synfig
07:03 < factor> need one now
07:03 < factor> using that effect just a simple one .
07:03 < factor> your code may come in handy for that pixelgeek
07:03 < factor> will have to try it out
07:05 < pixelgeek> demo reel still progressing
07:05 < pixelgeek> AkhIL: would definitely welcome mouse, eclipse and flowers
07:06 < pixelgeek> Could we render a version without the text?
07:06 < AkhIL> yes
07:06 < pabs3> I'm renaming this how do I page to tips
07:06 < AkhIL> are you have sources?
07:07 < pixelgeek> pabs3: it's a good question - I keep meaning to try the env variables dooglus documented for the dialog boxes
07:07 < pixelgeek> on windows every dialog behaves independantly
07:07 < pixelgeek> AkhIL: no 
07:08 < pixelgeek> I could probably find the ones you've linked, but if you have the links handy...
07:08 < pixelgeek> factor: which code?
07:08 < AkhIL> I'll reshare it
07:08 < pixelgeek> Oh, the autotrace?  
07:08 < pixelgeek> how's that going for you?
07:09 < factor> autotrace to sif
07:09 < factor> have not gotten to work on it as of late.
07:09 < pabs3> hmm, maybe we should list the autotrace thing on the converters page?
07:09 < factor> but this project may need it , so will be a good data to test it on 
07:09  * pabs3 adds it
07:11 < pixelgeek> argh no - it's horrible....
07:12 < factor> :D
07:12 < pabs3> ah, ok
07:12 < factor> it works but needs some more
07:12 < factor> its good 1st step though
07:13  * pixelgeek not even convinced it's that
07:13 < factor> heh
07:13 < pixelgeek> a faltering first step maybe
07:13 < AkhIL> perhaps we need tool like in gimp with i hot key
07:13 < pabs3> pixelgeek: wheres the code? I'm not seeing it in the forum thread?
07:13 < AkhIL> for rotoscoping
07:14 < pixelgeek> You really don't want to see it....
07:14 < AkhIL> for semiautomatical rotoscoping
07:14 < factor> sorry for getting evryone started
07:14 < pixelgeek> :)
07:14 < pixelgeek> Well AkhIL we have a converter from gimp > sif now, so....
07:14 < factor> but hopefully I get some some good generation out of it , specifically for rotoscoping.
07:15 < AkhIL> pixelgeek: no.. i mean for video rotoscoping
07:15 < pixelgeek> factor: autotrace is designed for very simple images
07:16 < factor> we do have a gimp to sif now?
07:16 < pixelgeek> works best on two tone
07:16 < factor> yeah roto scoping would be simple images for sure
07:16 < factor> for roto scoping you would drops the color count to 2
07:16 < factor> drops = drop
07:16  * AkhIL needs rotoscoping to separate character from background in live action shot
07:16 < factor> cool
07:17 < pixelgeek> http://synfig.org/Converters
07:17 < pixelgeek> AkhIL: what version of gimp introduced the i hot key?
07:18 < AkhIL> don't know
07:18 < AkhIL> in 2.2 it was
07:18 < AkhIL> the "Scissors select tool"
07:19 < AkhIL> you set some points in image and tool traces edges between points
07:19 < factor> ahh
07:19 < AkhIL> so you have to pun only few points to do nice rotoscoping
07:20 < AkhIL> this pints maight be animated
07:20 < AkhIL> oh... take a look siox
07:22 < pixelgeek> OK - I'm familiar with the scissor tool
07:22 < factor> yeah would be cool , which is what I want to make a animated bit 
07:22 < factor> autoroto
07:23 < AkhIL> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIOX
07:23 < factor> for lots of images
07:24 < AkhIL> siox will be good addition for rotoscope tool
07:25  * AkhIL wants to try to write color correction layesr like channel mixer
07:30 < factor> cool gimp one works but needs more options like smooth
07:31 < pixelgeek> bedtime here.  'night all
07:31 < factor> you get the pixellicious effect 
07:31 < factor> see ya
07:31 < pixelgeek> AkhIL: I'll check the logs for your sources
07:32 < factor> oh now I see its just a bitmap
07:33 < factor> yeah i need it in vector but looks like a svg was also on the convert page
07:34 < factor> ekk that one looks dauting
07:34 < factor> like to mess around with the gimp one as well you could get auto rotoscoping out of that one for sure
07:35 < factor> but need a vector verion for this project wihich pixelgeeks code works moreso in that manner
07:50 < factor> yeah pixelgeeks version is the method I wanted kinda works and makes the file really large, it just needs some compression methods and it would be good and sme variable options
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08:09 < factor> but yeah if a rotoscopeing plugin either from gimp autotrace or directly in synfig, people would go wild over it I think
08:09  * factor would be one of the people.
08:10 < factor> :D
08:10 < factor> sounds like a cool effort 
08:10 < factor> rotoscoping and synfig would go well together.
08:11 < AkhIL> yah
08:11 < AkhIL> with a lot of new effects synfig will be usefull for video graphics and video compositing
08:12 < factor> oh no doubt it has the high end capability just needs more generating tools
08:13 < factor> which is what tweening is all about
08:13 < factor> to take out the labor intensive task
08:13 < factor> it has the basic level down
08:20 < AkhIL> http://www.blendernation.com/2008/03/15/animated-roto-splines-tutorial/ - about roto in blender
08:20 < AkhIL> take a look how it ugly 8)
08:21 < factor> man o man o man
08:21 < factor> o man
08:22 < factor> but at least that is only done once then it follows
08:22 < factor> I would like to have it generate an automatic one and you modify it down to the nth degree for better tracking
08:23 < factor> that is cool though I have an older version of roto scoping on blender  easier method than that
08:23 < factor> but not as slick as the composite versioning one
08:26 < AkhIL> you can see blender not good for such curve animation
08:26 < AkhIL> and author had to use empty hooks to make animation on object (not sub object) level
08:26 < AkhIL> sinfig can do such things MUCH better
08:26 < factor> right blender can do 2d but that is not its strong points
08:27 < factor> its like hey look I have it , that is about it
08:27 < AkhIL> btw... I have a crazy idea
08:28 < AkhIL> we can write blender node which will be render sif files trough synfig-core
08:28 < factor> that would be very handy too
08:40 < factor> ok off to sleep
08:40 < factor> over half way into manual rotoscope
08:40 < factor> work on this tomorrow
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09:35 < Bombe> Good morning.
09:38 < pabs3> hi Bombe :)
09:39 < AkhIL> salam aleykum
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10:27 < Yaco> Hi friends
10:28 < Yaco> I have been working hard in the new wiki look
10:28 < Yaco> here you can see how it looks: http://synfig.org/New_Skin_for_Synfig_Wiki#Actual_state
10:30 < MangoFusion> neat
10:30 < Yaco> feel free to leave comments in the Talk page
10:32  * AkhIL likes first one
10:33 < AkhIL> i mean first screenshot
10:33 < pabs3> Yaco: neat!
10:34 < Yaco> neat? (im just a poor argenian guy...have mercy :-P)
10:34 < Yaco> *argentinian
10:36 < pabs3> neat/cool/excellent/great!
10:36 < Bombe> I agree!
10:36 < Yaco> ohhHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
10:36 < Yaco> well
10:36 < Yaco> thanks
10:37 < Yaco> where can i find more draws made with Synfig?
10:37 < pabs3> lots of links on the gallery: http://synfig.org/Gallery
10:37 < Yaco> maybe someone of you want to have your draw in the random cycle :-)
10:38 < Yaco> i see pabs3 
10:39 < pabs3> the challenges forum would also be a good one for that
10:39 < Yaco> most of them are already in the banner random cycle
10:39 < Yaco> can you give me the link pabs3 ?
10:39 < pabs3> http://synfig.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=17
10:40 < pabs3> there are quite a few videos on youtube too, the link is on the gallery page
10:40 < pabs3> all the artwork section could be good too: http://synfig.org/forums/viewforum.php?f=19
10:41 < pabs3> Yaco: do you know if mediawiki can embed rss feeds in pages?
10:41 < Yaco> yeah
10:41 < Yaco> it can
10:41 < Yaco> we can also embed all the videos
10:41 < Yaco> I think is better to have them inside the wiki
10:42 < Yaco> in that wait we dont force people to open another site to see synfig videos
10:42 < pabs3> I'd love to have the youtube & deviantart feeds on the gallery page
10:43 < Yaco> we can do that pabs3 !
10:43 < Yaco> i will do it
10:43 < pabs3> cool :D
10:43 < Yaco> pabs3, the monthly challenges
10:43 < Yaco> its a kind of contest?
10:44 < pabs3> kind of - more of a way for artists to challenge each other to make great art
10:45 < pabs3> so far there is no reward, except for the splash screen challenge
10:45 < pabs3> I wanted to make Challenges/2008-01 pages and stuff but so far I didn't have time to do it
10:46 < Yaco> i see
10:46 < Yaco> i think it would be a good idea to make a "month gallery" with all that work
10:46 < Yaco> have you seen Blender's site?
10:46 < rore> Yaco: good ideas, for the wiki skin
10:46 < pabs3> yep, haven't looked very closely at it
10:47 < rore> Yaco: you mean, "have you ever drool in front of the blender month gallery?" right? :D
10:47 < pabs3> do you mean this page? http://www.blender.org/features-gallery/
10:47 < Yaco> haha 
10:48 < Yaco> yeah pabs3 
10:48 < Yaco> that!
10:48 < Yaco> no no
10:48 < Yaco> http://www.blender.org/features-gallery/gallery/images/
10:48 < Yaco> that
10:48 < Yaco> you see, is a bit outdated
10:48 < rore> grr, I don't remember how to create a "talk" page to suggest things (for the skin)
10:49 < Yaco> but is monthly organizated
10:49 < Yaco> rore, here: http://synfig.org/Talk:New_Skin_for_Synfig_Wiki
10:49 < rore> Yaco: oh, thanks :)
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10:50 < pabs3> Yaco: ah
10:50 < Yaco> pabs3, I think that kind of things will help to get more attention and users to Synfig
10:51 < Yaco> To see that the project is not dead and have a lot of potential
10:52 < rore> I agree. This gallery helped a lot the blender project, by showing that blender was able to generate some very good images, and that it wasn't a crappy and featureless software.
10:53 < rore> And that lack of gallery is a little problem with Gimp, for example. Because many people think that gimp is not capable of creating this or that kind of images. Because they can't find easily "good" art done with gimp
10:53 < pabs3> so, we just need to update the Gallery page every month?
10:54 < rore> maybe not every month, maybe just when there's some good art to add ?
10:54 < pabs3> sure
10:55 < AkhIL> you may remove old bad art and replace it by new. but leave good art
10:55 < AkhIL> like 20 best images
10:56 < pabs3> rore, Yaco: I like how gimp.org features the latest splash screen, any thoughts about integrating that into the new design?
10:57 < Yaco> i need to see that pabs3 
10:57 < pabs3> http://gimp.org/images/frontsplash.jpg
10:58 < Yaco> i see
10:58 < Yaco> well
10:58 < pabs3> http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/rore4wiki/synfig_art/splash0000.png
10:58 < Yaco> we can make a banner for the last release
10:58 < Yaco> i will have that in mind pabs3 
10:59 < rore> Hmm, an orange themed splash into a blue themed skin ... well, I guess we can turn the splash blue for the skin :)
10:59 < Yaco> i think we can put that in the Mainpage  (that I will redesing after finishing with the theme)
11:00 < Yaco> rore, maybe. I dont see it would look bad if we keep like original red
11:00  * rore steals Yaco proposal to make some proposal on it, lalala
11:01  * Yaco feels naked....                 (??)
11:01 < pabs3> Yaco: is it possible to make the slogans on the top rotate as well as the images?
11:02 < pabs3> or are they embedded in the image?
11:03 < Yaco> you mean
11:03 < Yaco> rotate images inside the wiki?
11:06 < pabs3> well, the images will change randomly, I would like the "Beautiful art needs beautiful code" slogan to change randomly to one of the other ones too
11:07 < pabs3> and perhaps the slogans could be translated to other languages too
11:07 < Yaco> ahh
11:07 < Yaco> i see
11:07 < Yaco> well
11:07 < Yaco> in that cases
11:08 < Yaco> we shoul separate the text from the image
11:08 < Yaco> but we couldnt use that nice font style
11:08 < Yaco> "should"
11:08 < pabs3> perhaps some CSS could help with the font style?
11:08 < Yaco> to support other languages...maybe we should install support for multiple languages
11:09 < Yaco> there are a few extensions out there
11:09 < pabs3> did you see the http://synfig.org/WikiTranslation page I pasted on the talk page?
11:09 < Yaco> mmm
11:09 < Yaco> i think i didnt
11:11 < Yaco> give me a minute
11:15 < Yaco> i read it
11:15 < Yaco> whel
11:15 < Yaco> using an extension maybe the better idea
11:15 < Yaco> in that case, i think i can integrate the language selector in the theme
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11:16 < Yaco> a lind of list of languages that contains olny the available language for that specific content
11:17 < pabs3> yep
11:18 < rore> tadaaa, http://i209.photobucket.com/albums/bb207/rore4wiki/Synfig/Synfig-wiki-2-1_b.png <--- the links I want ;)
11:20 < rore> (or something a bit like this)
11:21 < Yaco> ohh
11:21 < Yaco> nice idea rore
11:21 < rore> I made a little explanation on the talk page
11:22 < Yaco> i wiil read it rore
11:23 < rore> but really, for every new 2D/3D software I see, I go to the webpage, search the gallery, if the gallery is ok, then I take a look at the "about" and then the "screenshots" :) And if those are ok too, I download. And a few hours after, I'm searching for tutorials
11:24 < rore> I think a lot of people do more or less the same, maybe in different order, but I think those links are important :)
11:27 < Yaco> i agree rore
11:27 < Yaco> pabs3, which is the "video of the month"?
11:28 < pabs3> rore: perhaps the splash screen could be adapted to be the background for those links?
11:28 < pabs3> Yaco: ahh
11:28 < pabs3> hmm
11:30 < pabs3> I'm thinking either genete or ulrik's entry to the monster challenge
11:34  * pabs3 bbiab smoooothie
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13:46 < Genete> hi guys (and girl)
13:46 < Bombe> Hey, genete.
13:46 < Genete> hi Bombe :)
13:47 < Genete> Yaco: you're so active! Thanks in advance! :)
13:47 < Yaco> I just love Free Software Genete :-)
13:49 < Genete> embedded video tutorials can be also placed on the wiki. There are three by now and I'm working on a new one.
13:49 < Yaco> great Genete !
13:49 < Yaco> Im near to finish the theme!
13:49 < Yaco> at least for a first release
13:49 < Bombe> \o/
13:50 < Genete> Yaco: me too! but not so much programming or developing skilled... :( only some icons here, some translation there... but happy anyway :)
13:50 < Yaco> :-D
13:50 < Yaco> Genete
13:50 < Yaco> i checked Blender
13:50 < Yaco> they use "Renderizar"
13:50 < pabs3> dooglus: I just noted that git doesn't support keyword expansion: http://git.or.cz/gitwiki/GitFaq#head-4a0afe71a2bb7734777a8b0b345e0308aefdbd40
13:51 < Yaco> I think, altought the word is not RAE valid, its clearer than "Mostrar". We could also use "Renderar" or "Procesar"
13:52 < Yaco> but I prefer "Renderizar"
13:52 < Bombe> pabs3, oh noes! /o\
13:52 < pabs3> heh
13:52 < Bombe> "Keyword expansion causes all sorts of strange problems and isn't really useful anyway, especially within the context of an SCM."
13:52 < Bombe> WTF?
13:52 < Bombe> What have they been smoking?
13:53 < Bombe> I've been using keyword expansion for, like, 15 years with cvs, svn, and a couple of other system, and there was _never_ _any_ problem with it.
13:53 < Bombe> And I do find it useful.
13:55 < Genete> Yaco: it is fine. I agree with the "Renderizar" word. I'll change it when send the next translation patch. There are a couple of new words due to new features I have to translate. 
13:55 < Yaco> great Genete 
13:55 < Yaco> I would also change "Objetivo"
13:56 < Genete> Yaco: please ping me if you find more bad translated words or typos. There are more for sure. 
13:56 < Yaco> in the Render windows
13:56 < Yaco> I would use "Formato de salida" or just "Formato"
13:56 < rore> Yaco: Renderizar is funny, if it were english, I would say it's a contraction of "render wizard" ;)
13:56 < Yaco> hahah rore
13:57 < Yaco> its no english, not even spanish!
13:57 < rore> spanglish? :p
13:57 < Yaco> but most spanish translation use that word
13:57 < Genete> Yaco: absolutely right with the "Objetivo" word. Take notice
13:58 < Genete> Yaco: how would you translate "duck" ? 
13:58 < Genete> he he
13:58 < rore> Gato ! Oh wait, that's not the right animal :]
13:59 < Yaco> Pato!
13:59 < Yaco> hehe
14:00 < pabs3> :) just compiled the windows explorer git extension on linux
14:06 < Genete> dooglus: I agree on have a text tool. It would allow remember the font type and your custom size.
14:07 < Genete> Just one single click on the canvas woudl pop up the text input dialog and would place it where it was clicked.
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15:19 < dooglus> pixelgeek, pabs3: I think the 'transient dialogs' (or whatever it's called) environment variable works on windows for getting the panels to minimize with the toolbox
15:19 < dooglus> but maybe there was some problem with it - like it minimizes them to the desktop rather than the taskbar or something
15:20 < dooglus> set SYNFIG_TRANSIENT_DIALOGS = 1
15:20 < dooglus> "Some window managers fail to associate synfig's panels with the toolbox. Setting this can help. It seems to work quite well on Windows too, preventing the panels from taking up space on the task bar, but be careful not to minimize any of the panels, it can cause problems. "
15:20 < dooglus> http://synfig.org/index.php?title=Environment_Variables&diff=5944&oldid=5730
15:27 < Yaco> hi dooglus 
15:27 < Yaco> pabs3, are you alive?
15:27 < pabs3> last I checked :)
15:28 < Yaco> :-)
15:28 < Yaco> can you give me your mailbox?
15:30 < pabs3> pabs3@bonedaddy.net
15:31 < dooglus> hi Yaco
15:31 < Yaco> hi dooglus 
15:43 < Yaco> The first version of the theme is ready!
15:43 < Yaco> i Will send it to you in a moments pabs3 
15:43 < pabs3> cool
15:47 < Yaco> http://synfig.org/New_Skin_for_Synfig_Wiki#First_release.21
15:51 < AkhIL> somebody please give pixelgeek this links when he will be there
15:51 < AkhIL> http://h1.ripway.com/AkhIL/eclipse_v3.sifz
15:51 < AkhIL> http://h1.ripway.com/AkhIL/shot1.tar.bz2
15:51 < AkhIL> http://h1.ripway.com/AkhIL/shot2.tar.bz2
15:51 < AkhIL> http://h1.ripway.com/AkhIL/valentine_flowers.tar.bz2
15:51 < AkhIL> s/there/here
16:00 < Yaco> pabs3, the theme is in your mailbox :-)
16:04 < pabs3> Yaco: hmm, doesn't seem to be there yet. could you upload it somewhere? http://stashbox.org/ perhaps?
16:07 < Yaco> here pabs3 : http://stashbox.org/98869/synfig-mediawiki-theme-v1.zip
16:08 < pabs3> thanks
16:08 < Yaco> this are the install instructions:
16:08 < Yaco> Just uncompress the content in the /skins directory.
16:08 < Yaco> Put the favicon in the / of the wiki (it should be
16:08 < Yaco> http://synfig.org/favicon.ico). After that go and edit
16:08 < Yaco> LocalSettings.php to make this the default theme:
16:08 < Yaco> $wgDefaultSkin = 'SynfigWiki';
16:08 < Yaco> Then you should go to the skins folder and open the SynfigWiki.php
16:08 < Yaco> file. Edit the file: comment the line 243 and uncomment 246.
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16:18 < pabs3> done
16:18 < Yaco> lets see
16:18 < genete> re-hello
16:19 < genete> heeh! cooooool
16:19 < genete> new skin is working?
16:20 < Yaco> yeah genete
16:20 < Yaco> with some problems
16:20 < pabs3> hmm, the logo looks strange
16:20 < Yaco> pabs3, can you give me burocrat permissions? 
16:21 < genete> :)
16:21 < pabs3> Yaco: any reason you didn't use /files/wiki.png for the logo?
16:22 < Yaco> I used YAML templates
16:23 < Yaco> so, i follow that structure
16:23 < genete> pixelgeek: BTW you can use any of my animations or stills I have published. If you think in one in particular and it is not published let me know.
16:23 < Yaco> i dont see any problem in the logo pabs3 
16:24 < genete> pixelgeek: in the demo reel I mean :)
16:24 < pabs3> Yaco: added you
16:24 < pabs3> Yaco: I'll screenshot
16:24 < Yaco> I will clean the sidebar
16:26 < Yaco> done
16:27 < genete> Yaco: The main links (Home, About, News, ...) seems to be so big to me. 
16:27 < genete> or at last I hate have three rows 
16:27 < Yaco> reload the page genete
16:27 < genete> with one of them so lonely
16:28 < Yaco> i have removed a lot of them
16:28 < genete> ok
16:29 < pabs3> Yaco: http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/files/tmp/logo-bad.png
16:29 < pabs3> http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/files/tmp/logo-good.png
16:30 < Yaco> its like is resized trought CSS
16:31 < Yaco> i found the problem pabs3 
16:31 < Yaco> i think
16:32 < pabs3> hhm, also on my system the image on the top is in a different position to the top blue area
16:32 < Yaco> pabs3, can you give access to the wiki folder trought ftp?
16:32 < Yaco> that would be easier for me to fix the problems
16:32 < pabs3> no ftp setup yet, upload to stashbox and I'll overwrite
16:33 < Yaco> ok pabs3 
16:33 < pabs3> Yaco: hmm, normally the left bar is edited by changing the template pages, this theme embeds them in the code
16:34 < genete> Yaco: REcent changes from the Tool bar doesn't work
16:34 < Yaco> pabs3, the Sidebar is in the top now
16:34 < Yaco> the other elements are not possible to edit inside the wiki
16:35 < pabs3> hmmm
16:35 < Yaco> the only menu you can edit in Mediawiki is Sidebar
16:35 < Yaco> i will see it genete
16:38 < pabs3> http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/files/tmp/top-bit.png
16:39 < Yaco> pabs, what browser are you using?
16:39 < pabs3> galeon
16:41 < pabs3> looks like the image is in front of the text instead of behind
16:42 < Yaco> yeap
16:47 < pabs3> hmm, the synfigwiki skin class doesn't inherit from the Skin class
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16:50 < pabs3> Yaco: changed which image the logo uses, still get the weirdness
16:51 < Yaco> its a problem in the css
16:52 < pabs3> hmm, the recentchanges link on the left just goes to the main page
16:56 < Yaco> yeap
16:56 < Yaco> genete told that
16:57 < Yaco> i am trying to fix it
16:59 < genete> it is nice. Need fixing but quite nice :)
16:59 < pabs3> agreed
17:00 < genete> good job both
17:01 < genete> out a few hours. Back late. Bye :)
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17:01 < pabs3> if I increase my font size, then the white heading in the blue page title area can leave the blue title area (very very nice blue bit btw)
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17:07 < pabs3> the [edit] links are too big and should be on the right instead of the left IMO
17:08 < pabs3> hmm, the page content can overflow out of the right of white area
17:08 < pabs3> http://synfig.org/Gallery
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17:11  * pixelgeek just thinking the same thing
17:11 < pabs3> definitely a big improvement though
17:12 < pixelgeek> looks almost perfect in firefox, seriously ugly in IE
17:12 < Yaco> the problem there is not the theme pabs3 
17:12 < Yaco> its how that table is made
17:12 < pixelgeek> I'm guessing I'm still using a version that doesn't render transparent pngs
17:12 < Yaco> lets replace it with a gallery
17:13 < Yaco> pixelgeek, we can hack that IE6 problem
17:13 < pabs3> Yaco: the content sholdn't be able to overflow its container
17:13 < factor> ie has a hack for that that you can put on the server side
17:13 < pixelgeek> Yaco: or just render the png with a black background
17:13 < pixelgeek> ;)
17:13 < Bombe> In the places where the image was behind the links there is now empty space.
17:13 < Bombe> Looks weird.
17:14 < pixelgeek> AkhIL: I saw your msg - don't know if you got my reply as it's claiming I'm unregistered
17:14 < pabs3> Yaco: can we remove these? About Synfig | Disclaimers | Contact  
17:14 < Yaco> yeap
17:15 < pabs3> hmm, not sure about that news thing
17:15 < pabs3> toolbox needs and edit page link
17:15 < dooglus> I don't know if it's my monitor, but the shadow on the 'A' (text icon) is too dark for me: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/tools-text.png
17:15 < AkhIL> pixelgeek: ok... now I can sleep peacefully
17:15 < pabs3> and maybe discussion/history too
17:17 < pixelgeek> AkhIL: sweet dreams
17:17 < pabs3> Yaco: removed "Project" from the top bit
17:17 < pabs3> top left I mean
17:18 < Yaco> you mean, from the logo?
17:18 < pixelgeek> dooglus: yes, I think I made that observation too
17:19 < pixelgeek> I need to teak a couple of the existing ones, and I'll go through the others at the same time and make them match
17:19 < pabs3> Yaco: the bit above the toolbox that said "synfig project"
17:19 < Yaco> ok
17:19 < pabs3> Yaco: can we also remove the thin blue bit just above the content
17:19 < Yaco> pabs3, i will send you a new version with fixes
17:20 < Yaco> wait until that to continue with changes
17:20 < pabs3> Yaco: seems my email stripped the zip file out, so use stashbox
17:20 < pabs3> ok
17:20 < Yaco> ok pabs3 
17:22 < pixelgeek> mmmm...  we should halve the size of the sand dunes and rore's cat in the gallery
17:24 < pabs3> those are external images, I guess they should be uploaded?
17:24 < Yaco> yeah pabs3 
17:24 < Yaco> that would fix the table problem
17:25 < rore> pabs3: Hm, I can upload a smaller version of the cat, or I can link an smaller version
17:26 < pabs3> rore: uploading it as-is would be fine since mediawiki can do thumbnails
17:26  * pabs3 bbiab
17:26 < pixelgeek> Can't we just specify the size to display?
17:27 < pixelgeek> [img pix=blah,blah] or something
17:27 < Yaco> pabs3, 
17:27 < Yaco> download from here
17:27 < Yaco> http://francoiacomella.org/wiki/skins/synfigwiki.tar.bz2
17:27 < Yaco> replace the previous files
17:27 < dooglus> maybe if the A wasn't solid black, but was white with a black outline (like circle, rectangle, polyline, etc) then it would be clearer that it was an A - as it is, it's hard to make out at a glance
17:28 < Bombe> I'd use a 'T' as icon for the text layer. :)
17:28 < pixelgeek> dooglus: maybe - I think genete was following the tango guidelines for that though
17:28 < pixelgeek> no Bombe - T is for Timeline!  ;)
17:30 < dooglus> the shadow under the 'smooth move' icon seems to be much smaller and lighter
17:30 < dooglus> perhaps using that one would be OK
17:31 < pixelgeek> dooglus: it's the difference between a pixelgeek icon and a genete icon :)
17:31 < pixelgeek> It's darker under the polyline also
17:32 < Bombe> :)
17:33 < pixelgeek> dooglus: at one point you had a list of all the things you wanted an icon for
17:33 < pixelgeek> I can't find that list
17:33 < Yaco> how about creating a "People" page?
17:34 < Yaco> somethink like this http://tango.freedesktop.org/The_People
17:34 < dooglus> pixelgeek: I'll see if I can find it
17:35 < pixelgeek> Yaco: or http://synfig.org/Meet_The_Regulars
17:35 < Yaco> oh
17:35 < factor> Yea saw that
17:36 < pixelgeek> I keep poking kibi, rore and genete to upload their pictures.  rore and genete have theirs on the forum....
17:36 < pabs3> Yaco: updating
17:38  * pixelgeek smiling to myself - 'that's a cool effect on the banner bar - oh!  it's the splash screen in blue...'
17:38 < dooglus> pixelgeek: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/synfig/logs/2007/%23synfig-2007-10-26.log "03:17 < dooglus> pxegeek: I just checked the icons we have vs. the icons the code mentions and we're missing 5:
17:38 < dooglus> could that be what you're thinking of?
17:39 < pixelgeek> that and I thought there were others?
17:39 < pixelgeek> Ones that didn't have icon code for
17:39 < pixelgeek> layers or node values
17:40 < pixelgeek> parameter values?
17:40 < dooglus> pixelgeek: there was a big list wasn't there... can't find it now though
17:40 < pixelgeek> glad it's not just me ;)
17:41 < dooglus> "mandelbrot" should be on the list - but I don't see it in the logs or on the rincevent web space
17:46 < dooglus> pixelgeek: I'm thinking the list might have been a list of icons that are mentioned in the code but not present in the images/ dir
17:46 < Yaco> pabs3, the upload is done?
17:47 < pabs3> Yaco: yep
17:47 < pixelgeek> OK.  If you can recreate it and drop it on the wiki wish list, I can see about generating them
17:47 < Yaco> i dont see any change pabs3 
17:47 < pixelgeek> mandlebrot should be easy, but I seem to remember some of the others like child were a little abstratct
17:48 < Yaco> ohh!! 
17:48 < pabs3> Yaco: perhaps that is because it didn't include the .php file?
17:48 < Yaco> i forgoto send you the most importan file pabs3 
17:48 < Yaco> yeah
17:48 < pixelgeek> I see a change
17:48 < Yaco> i see the logo is wrong pabs3 
17:49 < pixelgeek> banner image moved up, but still not matching the border
17:51 < Yaco> wait for the php change pixelgeek :-)
17:51  * pixelgeek holds breath
17:52 < Yaco> pabs3, download this and replace the old one
17:52 < Yaco> http://francoiacomella.org/wiki/skins/SynfigWiki.php.txt
17:52 < Yaco> rename it :-)
17:54 < pabs3> done
17:55 < rore> eeek
17:55 < rore> any reason why you removed the "recent changes" link from the sidebar, Yaco ?
17:56 < Yaco> rore, i didnt remove it... i add it as a hard link
17:56 < Yaco> now is working
17:57 < rore> hm? I don't get it
17:57 < Yaco> the Recent changes is in the sidebar
17:58 < Yaco> rore, press ctrl shit R if you use Firefox
17:58 < rore> http://synfig.org/index.php?title=MediaWiki%3ASidebar&diff=6298&oldid=4952 shows "-	** recentchanges-url|recentchanges"  ... hmm
17:58 < rore> there's the "related changes", but I don't care about that one ;)
17:59 < Yaco> ahh
17:59 < pabs3> rore: see the toolbox on the left
17:59 < Yaco> i get it noe
17:59 < Yaco> now
18:00 < Yaco> i remove that because the same option is in the left column
18:00 < pixelgeek> Would I be shot if I pointed out that the new logo is not centered?
18:00 < pabs3> Yaco: the random image is still misaligned in iceweasel/galeon. it looks fine at the default font size in konqeror, but not at any other font size
18:00 < Yaco> its probably pixelgeek 
18:01 < pixelgeek> (how many back seat drivers do you want?)
18:01  * pabs3 prefers the old one :)
18:01 < rore> Yaco: you removed the Recent changes from the left column because the recent changes was in the left column? (I'm lost /o\)
18:01 < pabs3> rore: the old left column is now across the top
18:01 < pabs3> pixelgeek: lets all paint the bikeshed!
18:01 < Yaco> rore, look at the left: Toolbox
18:02 < rore> pabs3: aahhh, ok
18:02 < pabs3> I think I prefer to hard code the ones across the top and put the sidebar on the left
18:03 < rore> Yaco: the problem was that I didn't saw the link moved to the *top* of the page ;)
18:03 < Yaco> sites looks ok in Opera 9
18:03 < rore> everybody kept talking about the left toolbox so ... :p
18:04 < pixelgeek> misaligned in Firefox and IE :(  but only by a few pixels
18:04 < pabs3> Yaco: zoom the font, it won't then :)
18:04 < rore> and in Safari ? ( http://www.browsrcamp.com/ for example)
18:04 < pabs3> :) the logo covers part of the content when you make the font really tiny in konq
18:04 < pixelgeek> would it be easier to have the graphics fadeout to wards the edge, then you wouldn't have to align it to a border?
18:05 < Yaco> pabs3, n opera seems to resize all the page
18:05 < pabs3> er, I don't like the word staff, we are all volunteers
18:05 < Yaco> text and images
18:05 < Yaco> people?
18:05 < pixelgeek> people
18:05 < pabs3> ya
18:06 < pixelgeek> The random image covers the login and create account text in IE
18:06  * rore refreshed 10 times the page with Ctlr+R or Shift+R even Alt+R and sees alway the same thing, even if people here seems to see something else ... sigh
18:06 < pixelgeek> Good job all these browsers render html the same way, isn't it?
18:07 < pabs3> http://82.51.162.60/safaritest/1207325195-full.jpg
18:07 < pabs3> I think we need a small number of links at the top and most of the links on the sidebar
18:08 < rore> (blah, works with firefox but epiphany cache is stupido)
18:09 < pixelgeek> pabs is scaring me again - http://82.51.162.60/safaritest/1207325256-full.jpg
18:09 < pixelgeek> 61 images later
18:09 < rore> and the logo covers part of the content with the default font size, that is not tiny, here
18:09 < pabs3> :)
18:11 < pabs3> Yaco: whats the point of making the windows download cover more lines?
18:12 < pixelgeek> ?
18:12 < Yaco> pabs3, add direct link from the TOC in the page
18:12 < Yaco> i wanna se how it looks
18:13 < pabs3> huh?
18:14 < Yaco> TOC = Table of Contents
18:14 < Yaco> just one click to get the package you are looking for
18:15 < pabs3> but you have to make it a heading for it to show up in the toc don't you?
18:15 < pabs3> 12.png from the random rotation doesn't seem to be included
18:16 < Yaco> maybe 13 max should be setted in config
18:17  * pixelgeek was thinking of making a dedicated page on the wiki for windows download - the sourceforge ont is Soooo painful
18:18 < pabs3> Yaco: total is 12, should I make it 11?
18:18 < Yaco> try that
18:19 < pabs3> looks like there are 11 images: http://synfig.org/skins/synfigwiki/images/random/
18:19 < pabs3> changed
18:20 < pabs3> Yaco: hmm, takes up a lot of vertical space like that
18:21 < Yaco> you think thats a problem?
18:21 < Yaco> scrolling is not needing now
18:21 < Yaco> as the the link are on the top
18:23 < pabs3> hmm, weird, the unofficial packages have double bullet points
18:23 < pixelgeek> :) "This page was This page was last modified 10:20, 2 March 2008. and This page has been accessed 2,225 times.."
18:23 < pabs3> and lots of space between the lines
18:24 < rore> %#!*$¤* ... is there any code that load a different page depending on the browser? Or is Epiphany just the dumbed browser ever?
18:25 < Bombe> Epiphany is just an ugly interface for gecko
18:25 < pixelgeek> pabs - that's cos there isn't any 2nd level text, so you just get a blank tab
18:25 < Yaco> i didnt finish pabs3 
18:26 < pixelgeek> come to firefox rore - you know it makes sense.  Feel the darkside...
18:26 < Bombe> ;)
18:26 < rore> Bombe: and soon an interface for webkit. But anyway, that's what I use, and no matter how many times I told it to empty the cache, I get the same old looking page
18:27 < rore> pixelgeek: no way, I hope to switch quickly to webkit, I'm tired of browser that needs a shitload of memory for even just a blank page ;)
18:28 < pixelgeek> FF3 claims to have that fixed
18:28 < factor> heh
18:28 < rore> pixelgeek: bah, IMO they still use too much memory for nothing :/
18:28 < pixelgeek> http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/03/18/0531241&from=rss
18:29 < pixelgeek> Can't compete with telnet for reading the web though ;)
18:29 < pabs3> rore: epiphany-webkit in sid is crap - no javascript
18:29 < rore> pixelgeek: hehehe :)
18:30 < rore> pabs3: yup, I know that so far it's crap, and I also tried liferea-webkit, that just ... crashed every 10mn :]
18:33 < factor> would be funny to have a aalib version of flash for lynx
18:33 < rore> blaaaah ... I just had to logout, the selected skin remained the previous defaut ... >_<
18:34 < rore> default*
18:34 < Yaco> reload rore
18:35 < factor> crerate animated ansi art with synfig
18:39 < rore> Yaco: "reload", does that mean you changed things again? 
18:40 < rore> (and that http://rore.dyndns.org/rore/synfig/wikiskin.png is maybe useless now ?)
18:40 < Yaco> no no
18:40 < Yaco> i think that you see the old skin when you are logged out, maybe is a cache issue
18:41 < rore> I saw the old skin only when I was logged in, when I logged out it was ok
18:42 < Yaco> ahh
18:42 < Yaco> rore
18:42 < rore> so I went to Preferences>skin and saw that the "classic" one was checked 
18:42 < Yaco> yeah
18:43 < rore> the font for the left column and the content are the same in konqueror, but different size in firefox and epiphany, huh...
18:44 < Yaco> yeah, they are different
18:44 < rore> (and too small :p)
18:44 < Yaco> at least i configurated like that
18:45 < Yaco> pabs3, you should update this file
18:45 < Yaco> http://francoiacomella.org/wiki/skins/synfigwiki/css/common/basemod_synfig.css
18:45 < Yaco> have some fixes
18:45 < Yaco> rore, what font you see small?
18:46 < pabs3> Yaco: updated the caa
18:46 < pabs3> css
18:46 < Yaco> thanks pabs3 
18:47 < rore> Yaco:  see http://rore.dyndns.org/rore/synfig/wikiskin.png on the left
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18:49 < Yaco> i see rore
18:49 < Yaco> i think i know how to fix the problem of the left
18:49 < Yaco> what browser is that?
18:51 < rore> firefox ;)
18:53 < Yaco> which version rore?
18:53 < Yaco> pabs3, new update: http://francoiacomella.org/wiki/skins/synfigwiki/css/common/basemod_synfig.css
18:53 < factor> ahh looked at the web site. Heh
18:54 < pabs3> Yaco: applied
18:54 < rore> Yaco: 2.0.0.12 
18:54 < Yaco> check now rore
18:55 < rore> ouch, that's b0rked :p
18:55 < rore> the content is now *below* the left column ;)
18:56 < Yaco> hahaha
18:57 < rore> if I remove the  margin-left: 14em; from the #col3 that seems to work
18:57 < rore> (I don't get why there's a margin there)
18:58 < pixelgeek> rore's browser is only 100px wide 
18:58 < pixelgeek> ;)
18:59 < rore> no, full width, but I may use some font different than yours, with a different "em" size, and glitches appears
18:59  * pixelgeek teasing
19:00 < pabs3> Yaco: in epiphany, I have it set to ignore the colours on the web page, want to see what it looks like there?
19:00 < Yaco> ok
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19:01 < rore> that's funny, with large fonts, it works, with smaller, it doesn't. And, hmm, I don't like looking at other's css, I'm always lost
19:02 < pabs3> Yaco: I removed the toolbars so you can see more of it, here it is: http://bonedaddy.net/pabs3/files/tmp/epiphany-nocolours.png
19:03 < Yaco> very nice pabs3 
19:03 < Yaco> :-)
19:03 < pabs3> I think you need more transparent images
19:04  * pabs3 looks at IE in windows
19:05 < pabs3> the image at the top tends to cover the text on the top right in firefox
19:08 < pabs3> haha, I should try netsurf
19:08 < pabs3> and links
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19:09 < pabs3> webkit/midori doesn't seem to handle the css - the random header image and the content is below the left sidebars
19:10 < rore> the width of the left column seems to be fixed (at least, the size of the box is fixed) but if I increase or decrease the size of the fonts, the content column isn't at the same distance from the left
19:10 < rore> and ... move under the sidebar
19:10 < rore> pabs3: gecko too, here ;)
19:11 < rore> it really seems to depends on the size of the font
19:11 < pabs3> only thing in IE6 that is different is the toolbox corners are broken
19:13 < pabs3> hmm, netsurf doesn't seem to support CSS layouts
19:13 < pixelgeek> I can do a screenshot of IE if you like
19:16 < pabs3> links2 in graphical mode is fun
19:16 < pixelgeek> That's odd - most of the pages look OK, but people and gallery come out below the left hand column lie rore is/was seeing
19:17 < rore> Going to dinner, I'll play the annoying critic again when I'm back :p
19:17 < pabs3> I pity anyone who tries to use the web with links/netsurf/dillo/blindness 
19:18 < rore> (I just hope I won't have to climb 10meters in a tree to bring back my cat, like yesterday and 4 days ago too ... *sigh* )
19:18 < pabs3> :)
19:18  * rore remembers doing a website that looked good in lynx :p
19:23 < pabs3> http://howto.wired.com/wiki/Supercharge_Your_Camera_with_Open-Source_CHDK_Firmware
19:24 < pabs3> first rockbox, now CHDK, awesomeness
19:27 < pixelgeek> I just put an order in for a http://gizmodo.com/359690/popcorn-hour-does-just-about-anything-a-set+top-media-streamer-can-do
19:27 < pixelgeek> It runs linux, and the manufacturers are enabling hooks for 3rd party apps
19:28 < pixelgeek> I may even be able to browse the synfig forums on it :)
19:33 < pabs3> hah
19:33 < pabs3> doesn't look like they are GPL compliant yet
19:33 < pabs3> http://www.networkedmediatank.com/viewtopic.php?t=2111
19:37 < pabs3> pixelgeek: I'd be interested to know if it comes with a source code CD
19:43 < pixelgeek> gah - got distracted
19:44 < pixelgeek> http://home.comcast.net/~pxegeek/synfig/wiki_ie.png
19:45 < pixelgeek> http://home.comcast.net/~pxegeek/synfig/wiki_ff.png
19:47 < pabs3> that warning should be in red now
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19:51 < pixelgeek> so it is
19:52  * Yoyobuae likes the new wiki skin =)
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20:21 < pabs3> Yaco: I'm off to bed, pixelgeek can update the skin if needed
20:23 < rore> yay, no stupid dog to enter the garden and frighten my cat, and so cat rescue on top of the tree during the dinner \o/ (twice it happened just before the main course and the dessert)</mylife>
20:23 < rore> 'night pabs3 
20:29 < Yaco> ok pabs3 thanks
20:29 < Yaco> rore, where are you from?
20:29 < rore> Yaco: France
20:45 < dooglus> I just added the text tool to SVN
20:50 < Yaco> great dooglus !
20:55 < Yaco> http://synfig.org/New_Mainpage
21:01 < dooglus> cool
21:01 < dooglus> did you draw the red riding hood characters?
21:02 < Yaco> nop
21:02 < Yaco> e
21:03 < Yaco> i just use the image in the banner
21:08 < pixelgeek> dooglus: that would be dmn - http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=33
21:09 < dooglus> pixelgeek: right.  I wondered if Yaco == dmn
21:10 < pixelgeek> I think his IRC name was nebo
21:16 < dooglus> http://synfig.org/Text_Tool
21:16 < dooglus> ah, you're right
21:25 < CIA-41> synfig: dooglus * r1958 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/ (app.h app.cpp): Add App::dialog_paragraph() to allow editing of paragraphs of text.
21:29 < rore> I'm sad, the layout is still broken (but the image with the characters is funny. I just wish all the characters smile)
21:30 < CIA-41> synfig: dooglus * r1959 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/ (state_text.cpp Makefile.am state_text.h app.cpp): Add a new tool for adding text layers.
21:38 < pixelgeek> I guess life's not much fun as a little old lady or woodcutter in the forest....
21:38  * pixelgeek signing off to go into work
21:45 < rore> yes, but they should be happy for the synfig release ;)
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22:09 < factor> hey the title in the irc chan still have march monster stuff
22:10 < factor> its apr 4
22:12 < factor> And the web page i cant find how to sweitch to brenton lang
22:17 < rore> duh?
22:23 < factor> heh
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22:27 -!- pixelgeek changed the topic of #synfig to:  http://synfig.org/FAQ | site migrated to Debian vps | synfig 0.61.08 now available from http://synfig.org/Download | April Challenge posted - http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=57 | news: http://synfig.org/News/2008-03-10 http://synfig.org/News/Draft | Ask your question and wait - we will answer it eventually!
22:28 < pixelgeek> factor: better?
22:29 < rore> ohh, there's no "+t" mode on that chan, I didn't notice that
22:30 < pixelgeek> What's +t?
22:30 < factor> It will do :)
22:31 < factor> topic
22:33 < pixelgeek> I use /topic
22:34 < rore> yep, +t is a mode set on many chans, that prevent people from changing the topic. Only the chan ops can do that.
22:34 < rore> but here everybody can change the topic, so that's nice :)
22:36  * pixelgeek will have to investigate channel modes
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23:00 < Yaco> where can i read the detailed features of the last version?
23:01 < pixelgeek> http://synfig.org/Releases/0.61.08
23:03 < pixelgeek> Yaco: looking at the wiki on my work PC under IE - looks very nice!
23:03 < pixelgeek> scratch that last comment
23:03 < pixelgeek> Yaco: looking at the wiki on my work PC under Firefox - looks very nice!
23:05 < Yaco> great pixelgeek 
23:05 < Yaco> im now working on a new Mainpage
23:05 < pixelgeek> still a little squiffy under IE
23:07 < Yaco> i dont have any IE here
23:08 < Yaco> i think PNG is the biggest problem there....
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23:17 < genete> wiki is now deli-cious!
23:18 < rore> but broken :p
23:18  * rore hides
23:18 < genete> heh
23:18 < genete> I've read it ;)
23:19 < genete> rore: something to show on april challenge?
23:19 < rore> (ok, I like the wiki ;) , there's just a few problems. It would be better if it worked with all kind of font sizes :) )
23:19 < rore> genete: not yet, I'm not even sure which song to choose
23:20 < genete> I've picked up one that gives me a very small animaiton... :)
23:26 < rore> with the animation thing, I would say, the elephant on a web, but as it seems you started to draw a cat ... hmm... something about a sleeping cat maybe? :)
23:27 < genete> let me show the the spanish letter.
23:28 < genete> http://pacomova.eresmas.net/paginas/canciones%20infantiles/era_un_gato_grande.htm
23:30 < rore> ahah, "ro-ró", I love that word :)
23:30 < genete> do you understand it fully?
23:30 < rore> no :) I'm trying to, without looking at translation 
23:32 < genete> dooglus: I'll make the shadows of the last icons I made more soft. You and pixelgeek are completely right.
23:34 < rore> I understood it more or less, but I really lack vocabulary 
23:37 < pixelgeek> genete: don't worry about the icons - I need to go through all of them again anyway.  I'll fix them then
23:38 < genete> ok no problem. Cont with me for that task if you need help. 
23:38 < genete> count
23:39 < pixelgeek> my spanish fades out after "There was a big cat..."
23:41 < pixelgeek> Babelfish seems a little unsure of some of the words too - " It was a great cat that did ro-ró.  Acurrucadito in its cushion."
23:41 < rore> ro-ro is the sound of a cat purring :)
23:41 < rore> (ok, that's easy for me, it's ron-ron in french)
23:41  * genete translating to english for you
23:43 < rore> without translation, I understood, hmm... 1/4 of the lines
23:43 < rore> but that was enough to understand the meaning, even if I missed things ;)
23:43 < rore> now that I looked for some words I think I get it entirely.
23:43 < genete> It was a big cat that made ro-ro
23:43 < genete> Made a ball in its cushion
23:43 < genete> Closed its eyes, it simulated to be sleeping
23:43 < genete> Moved the tail boringly 
23:43 < genete> It was a mouse small, small
23:43 < genete> That showed its mouth by a small hole
23:43 < genete> It dissapeared, then come back 
23:43 < genete> And made a little shout before leave.
23:43 < genete> It went out of its hole
23:44 < genete> run by the carpet
23:44 < genete> and it was scared 
23:44 < genete> even of its shadow
23:44 < genete> When it turned up
23:44 < genete> It felt a big roar: "miau"
23:44 < genete> It saw to big eyes 
23:44 < genete> from a tremendous cat
23:44 < genete> It felt a big clawing
23:44 < genete> over its small tail
23:44 < genete> and started to run 
23:44 < genete> all itself scared
23:44 < genete> And her ends the story of my little mouse
23:44 < genete> that showed its mouth by a small hole.
23:46  * factor hears tom and jerry these song
23:46 < factor> theme
23:47 < rore> hehehe :)
23:50 < Bombe> Cool. I think my cat dreams like a dog. Its paws are twitching.
23:54 < rore> hm, mine does that sometimes too
23:55 < Bombe> I've never seen that before.
23:57 < genete> I've seen it frequently in cats and dogs. They're just living an intense dream
23:57 < genete> Even dogs can eventually bark. 
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