--- Log opened Tue Apr 08 00:00:42 2008
00:01 < dooglus> genete: am about to watch it
00:01 < dooglus> genete: I see the video now.  odd.
00:02 < genete> dooglus: if I save and reopen the file it works fine again
00:03 < genete> so I guess you cannot reproduce it if I send you the file
00:03 < genete> anyway you'll have the file once the animation is finished
00:04 < genete> ok, enough time dedicated to the cat. Now let's design the mouse ... he he 
00:04 < genete> but it will be tomorrow.
00:04 < factor-> heh
00:04 < genete> April is passing by!!! come on!!
00:05 < genete> ciao
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00:07 < factor-> i am finished with mine ,but wanted a cool bit ,but i am lazy and want a generator to do it
00:09 < factor-> and would get to know the code at the sme time
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00:37 < dooglus> only 'circle' and 'gradient' tools had the 'blend method' option anyway - so I'll remove it.  the toolbox is where you select the blend method to be used
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00:43 < factor-> back later
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01:19 < CIA-48> synfig: dooglus * r1978 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/ (toolbox.h state_gradient.cpp state_circle.cpp): Remove the "blend method" option from the tool options panel for the circle and gradient tools (unless the BLEND_METHOD_IN_TOOL_OPTIONS #define in toolbox.h is uncommented).
01:38 < Yaco> anyone asleep?
01:52 < dooglus> :)
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02:01 < dooglus> you again?
02:01 < Yaco> hi dooglus
02:01 < dooglus> hi
02:01 < dooglus> did you get my dialog yes/no answer earlier?
02:01 < Yaco> yes, thanks
02:02 < dooglus> ok
02:02 < Yaco> i gone away in that moment 
02:02 < Yaco> im working in the People page of the wiki
02:02 < Yaco> do you agree to add a little description to each person?
02:03 < Yaco> see People.test
02:05 < pixelgeek> Hopefully people will be engaged enough to write their descriptions - it's been like pulling teeth just to get photos.... ;)
02:06 < CIA-48> synfig: dooglus * r1979 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/state_circle.cpp: Tidying.
02:06 < CIA-48> synfig: dooglus * r1980 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/state_circle.cpp: Tidying.
02:06 < CIA-48> synfig: dooglus * r1981 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/state_rectangle.cpp: Add 4 kinds of BLine layer to the rectangle tool.
02:07 < Yaco> pixelgeek: we should make the try! :-)
02:08 < Yaco> pixelgeek, can you give me a few words about you?
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02:14 < dooglus> Yaco: he's an alien, a legal alien, he's an Englishman in New York.  Or Minnesota.  Or some such.
02:17 < Yaco> dooglus: thats your own description or pixelgeek's?
02:19 < dooglus> Yaco: I'm just being silly
02:20 < Yaco> i thought that dooglus, but that description is really good!
02:20 < Yoyobuae> dooglus: The discussions before (about multiple shapes on a layer) got me thinking, what if valuenodes could represent other sorts of things?
02:21 < Yoyobuae> well not valuenodes exactly, valuebases
02:21 < Yoyobuae> now we have the 13 types
02:22 < Yoyobuae> but for example, boolean operations on shapes, they are perfect to be defined with valuenodes
02:23 < Yoyobuae> but what would be the operand valuenodes?
02:23 < Yoyobuae> the Bline list valuenode, maybe
02:25 < dooglus> Yaco: pixelgeek's an Englishman living in the US
02:25 < dooglus> Yaco: so it fits him better than me
02:26 < Yoyobuae> actually he mentioned his adress a few days ago, Oregon i think
02:26 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: so we add a 14th type for compound bline, or some such?
02:27 < Yoyobuae> but wait, there's more! XD
02:27 < Yoyobuae> there are other possible value types that might be useful
02:28 < CIA-48> synfig: dooglus * r1982 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/state_rectangle.cpp: Add a 'feather' option to the rectangle tool's tool options panel. It only affects the 'region' and 'outline' blines created, not the Rectangle layer itself, which doesn't support feathering.
02:28 < Yaco> excellent dooglus...now pixelgeek, a few words about dooglus??
02:28 < Yoyobuae> the thing is that the ideas I had do what the current layers do
02:29 < dooglus> Yoyobuae: that's OK
02:30 < Yoyobuae> for example, the distortions:  having a single Distortion layer, with a parameter valuenode that defines the actual distortion
02:30 < Yoyobuae> instead of gradient layers, a fill valuenode which can also do gradients, and can fill any shape
02:32 < Yoyobuae> in order to do gradients like curve gradient, a mapping valuenode
02:32 < Yoyobuae> ie. "Distance to Bline" valuenode, maps any x,y coord into a distance which we then feed into a gradient (which takes only a single param)
02:32 < Yoyobuae> gradient valuenode i mean
02:33 < Yoyobuae> its like turning synfig upside down XD
02:34 < dooglus> how does the parameter valuenode define the distortion?
02:34 < dooglus> is it just an enum?  like you pick the distortion from a list?
02:34 < dooglus> or is it more like a scriptable thing?
02:34 < Yoyobuae> distortion is the node type (value base type)
02:34 < Yoyobuae> "Sphere" is a valuenode of that type
02:35 < Yoyobuae> for example
02:35 < Yoyobuae> the "Sphere" node could have its own params: radius,amount, etc
02:36 < Yoyobuae> maybe at some point allow scripts to define new valuenodes might also be good
02:38 < dooglus> ok
02:38 < dooglus> so the ValueNode types correspond to existing layer types
02:38 < dooglus> and ValueNode sub-parameters correspond to existing layer parameters
02:39 < Yoyobuae> more or less
02:39 < Yoyobuae> the layers would still exist
02:39 < dooglus> what about if you want to layer distortions on top of each other?
02:39 < dooglus> Twirl then Blur, say
02:39 < Yoyobuae> blurs are somewhat different
02:40 < Yoyobuae> but say Twirl and Spherize could be stacked
02:40 < Yoyobuae> just like two functions are stackable,  F(G(coord))
02:42 < Yoyobuae> note that valuenode would still define things in terms of coordinates and such, in the "vector" world
02:42 < Yoyobuae> layers have the job of rendering into the "raster" world
02:42 < AkhIL> Yoyobuae: maight be layer which renders distance from curve will be enough? You can export this layer and use as mask for your filling
02:43 < AkhIL> layer can have more then one canvas input
02:44 < Yoyobuae> the problem is that once a layer renders, we end up with pixels
02:44 < pabs3> Yaco: I put the skin in a git repository, do you have an ssh key?
02:44 < Yoyobuae> I wanted to do things _before_ rendering
02:44 < Yaco> not in this machine pabs3
02:45 < Yaco> i will give you one tomorrow
02:45 < Yaco> is that ok pabs3?
02:45 < pabs3> sure
02:46 < Yoyobuae> rendering and blending can be slow, processing objects, coordinates, mappings, etc might be faster
02:46 < Yaco> pabs3: should i add he complete credits name that appears in the "about dialog" of Synfig in the new People page?
02:47 < AkhIL> Yoyobuae: as I understand current synfig system value nodes is _one value_ per time. but layer is mostly same but can have different values in space
02:47 < pabs3> Yaco: I'd say no, let people add themselves if they want
02:47 < Yaco> ok pabs3
02:48 < pabs3> Yaco: many of them are not involved with synfig at all, or are no longer involved
02:48 < Yoyobuae> AkhIL: one value? what about lists =D
02:48 < AkhIL> ok... list too
02:48 < Yoyobuae> valuenodes can be pretty much anything we program them to do =)
02:49 < Yoyobuae> the only thing I would want is for valuenodes to handle pixel information, that's what layers do
02:49 < Yoyobuae> *I wouldn't want to
02:50 < AkhIL> ok
02:50 < Yaco> pabs3: i understand...but maybe add a section "credits" in People, not with image and description of each one of them. Just the same list of names that appears in About dialog...?
02:50 < Yoyobuae> I think I'll just get my ideas in a wiki, and polish them little by little XD
02:58 < pabs3> Yaco: I guess
03:02 < Yaco> Ok pabs3
03:02 < Yaco> i will add then
03:02 < Yaco> http://synfig.org/People
03:02 < Yaco> i got to leave now
03:02 < Yaco> bye friends
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03:06 < factor> oh heck I like the new people design
03:06 < factor> good stuff
03:06 < Yoyobuae> We should all go fishing sometime, and bring lots of sandwiches XD
03:06 < factor> :D
03:11 < pixelgeek> Hey - Yoyobuae's missing from the list!  Get your face there Yoyobuae !
03:11 < pixelgeek> Last one to post ends up crying...
03:12 < Yoyobuae> oh noes!! they noticed XD
03:14 < factor> get the camera out.
03:18 < Yoyobuae> i'm searching for a foto =)
03:24 < pabs3> ugh, how is rore being female relevant :/
03:24  * pabs3 fixes
03:25 < factor> rore or rare.
03:25 < factor> :D
03:25 < factor> heh
03:25 < factor> just read her blurb
03:27 < pabs3> oooooh http://aruiz.typepad.com/siliconisland/2008/04/gtk-updates-on.html
03:29 < CIA-48> synfig: dooglus * r1983 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/ (5 files): Add a star tool. For drawing stars.
03:29 < factor> hey I just got git
03:29 < factor> have to regit
03:30 < factor> wonder if rore heard about the olypic torch thingy
03:30 < factor> watcing youtube stuff on it
03:30 < factor> funny
03:32 < factor> knocked out the olypic torch
03:32  * pabs3 wonders what "Try not to cry" is about
03:32 < factor> who put that in 
03:36 < dooglus> I think it was Yaco
03:37 < dooglus> and I got the impression it was because genete's walking stickman looks so sad with his head hung low
03:37 < dooglus> early revisions of that design only had the 'description' text for genete's stick man
03:38 < factor> heh
03:38 < factor> ahh
03:38 < Yoyobuae> http://members.lycos.co.uk/yoyobuae/yoyobuae.png
03:39 < Yoyobuae> or should I simply edit the wiki myself? I'm goona do it
03:39 < factor> have you got a login
03:42 < Yoyobuae> yup =)
03:42 < factor> that is all you need
03:43 < factor> cut and paste from one of the above images sections
03:47 < CIA-48> synfig: dooglus * r1984 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/state_star.cpp: Add options to allow creation of BLine versions of the star using the star tool.
03:53  * pabs3 detects awesomeness
03:53 < pabs3> hmm, I think we need voria/community sections on the people page 
03:55 < factor> ahh got it up yoyobuae
04:01 < factor> by the way here is the site I use since I dont have windows to test my pages against.
04:01 < factor> http://ipinfo.info/netrenderer/index.php
04:02 < dooglus> the new wiki skin is missing "Edit" and associated links at the top of each page.  I'm having to scroll to the end to find them.
04:11 < pixelgeek> dooglus: are you going to bed tonight?
04:11 < dooglus> pixelgeek: hmmm
04:12 < dooglus> pixelgeek: probably should, yeah.
04:12 < dooglus> good point.
04:12 < pixelgeek> I mean, I love chatting with you, but when you're in my time zone....
04:12 < dooglus> it's 4:12am
04:14 < dooglus> one more bug...
04:14 < dooglus> then I'll go
04:16 < dooglus> oh, it was an easy one.
04:16 < dooglus> ok - night all :)
04:17 < dooglus> (I do hope this isn't a cynical move on your part to grab r2000 for yourself!  :) )
04:21 < pixelgeek> Sure - like I'm going to submit 15 patches in the next 8 hours
04:23 < pixelgeek> heh - 1984 bline star - double plus good!
04:24 < CIA-48> synfig: dooglus * r1985 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/app.cpp: Move a couple of tool icons in the toolbox, and fix a couple of keyboard shortcuts.
04:24 < CIA-48> synfig: dooglus * r1986 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/app.cpp: Reorder the keyboard shortcut definitions for the tools to the same order as the tools in the toolbox.
04:24 < CIA-48> synfig: dooglus * r1987 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/state_star.cpp: Fix the creation of regular polygon blines with the star layer. It was always creating stars before.
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05:33 < Yaco> where can i find the list of translations authors¡
05:33 < Yaco> ?
05:35 < pabs3> in the AUTHORS files in the source code
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05:35 < pabs3> or in the translations themselves
05:37 < Yaco> thanks pabs3
05:43 < Yaco> pabs3: What do you think about adding the challengs images in the wiki?
05:56 < pabs3> sounds fine
05:56 < pabs3> btw, you seem to be missing the artists from the people page
05:57 < pixelgeek> odd - I just compiled 1987 from SVN, but when I click the about box, it shows up as r1959M.  
05:57 < pabs3> check the AUTHORS files (all 3 of them) to make sure no-one is missing
05:57 < pixelgeek> 1959 was the last version I built.  
05:58 < pixelgeek> Is that a byproduct of not updating ETL?
06:00 < pixelgeek> I know it is 1987 because I can make rectangular plants :)
06:00 < pabs3> it should be updated when the timestamp on the synfigstudio .svn directory changes
06:02 < pabs3> if you delete autorevision.h it should get updated
06:02 < pabs3> Yaco: /me adding artists to the people page
06:02 < pixelgeek> OK - I'll add that to the script.
06:03 < pixelgeek> what recreates autorevision.h?
06:03 < pabs3> shouldn't need to, unless svn up is broken and doesn't touch the timestamp
06:04 < pixelgeek> I did svn co
06:04 < pabs3> build_tools/autorevision.sh
06:06 < pixelgeek> so part of the make step?
06:07 < pabs3> yep, it runs every time you type make, and updates autorevision.h if it is older than .svn / _svn
06:08 < Yaco> ok pabs3
06:08 < pabs3> Yaco: I added them already
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07:34 < pixelgeek> bedtime - night all
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07:47 < factor> took a nap my self
07:47 < factor> looks like a fresh compile even worked with graphics magick
07:47  * rore looks at the People page ... woooh.... is that default description horrible just to make us wanna change it? :D
07:47 < pixelgeek> pabs - what's the url for htdocs in the Sourceforge site
07:48 < pabs3> rore: heh :)
07:48 < pixelgeek> Hi rore - Yes, I think so
07:48 < pabs3> pixelgeek: http://synfig.com
07:48 < pixelgeek> Unless you do like sandwiches?
07:48  * pixelgeek tries again
07:49 < rore> I prefer chocolate cakes :p
07:49  * pabs3 does like sandwiches
07:49 < pixelgeek> doh - we moved from 0.61.07 to 0.61.08 since I last posted a build.  No wonder it can't find it.
07:49 < pixelgeek> MMmmmm.... donuts.....
07:50 < factor> let all go fishing and make sandwiches.
07:50 < factor> :D
07:51 < factor> heh
07:51 < pabs3> sounds good to me!
07:51 < factor> fishing is a fun get away as well 
07:52 < factor> yaco added his gfx too cool
07:56 < factor> like the extra info at the bottom of the people page as well nice
08:02 < pixelgeek> Ugh - Yaco switched my picture to the forum avatar.  I'll have to fix that.  
08:02 < pixelgeek> tomorrow...
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08:04 < pixelgeek> I said I was going to bed half an hour ago, didn't I?  
08:04 < factor> heh
08:04 < pixelgeek> This time I really am
08:04 < factor> k
08:04 < pixelgeek> watch me turn off the PC
08:04 < pixelgeek> and timeout sometime afterwards
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09:07 < factor> wish nvidea would get a clue
09:07 < factor> everytime I update my xwin I have to recompile the stupid binary driver.
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12:19 < CIA-48> synfig: dooglus * r1988 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/state_star.cpp: Add 'inner tangent' and 'outer tangent' options to the star tool for creating rounded stars.
12:19 < CIA-48> synfig: dooglus * r1989 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/ (14 files): Show the name of the current tool in the tool options panel if it has any options. For the zoom tool, show the message that it doesn't have any options, instead of just showing a blank panel.
12:19 < CIA-48> synfig: dooglus * r1990 /synfig-core/trunk/src/synfig/valuenode_dotproduct.cpp: Prevent a compiler warning about unhandled cases.
12:19 < CIA-48> synfig: dooglus * r1991 /synfig-core/trunk/src/modules/lyr_freetype/lyr_freetype.cpp: Prevent compiler warnings about 3 unused variables.
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13:12 < Genete> Hello, I am using the translator mibbit
13:13 < Zelgadis> hi, Genete 
13:13 < Genete> Testing, testing ...
13:13 < Genete> eh! funciona!
13:14 < Genete> hi Zelgadis
13:14 < Genete> :D
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13:15 < Genete> Zelgadis: I've compiled openmovieeditor but crash very quick
13:16 < Zelgadis> Genete: you mean it crashes often?
13:16 < AkhI1> Genete did you try cinelerra?
13:16 < Genete> it crash everytime it wants to preview some kind of unknown video codec
13:16 < Genete> yeah! cienelerra is the one I have!
13:16 < Genete> just wante to know if there were some other easy to use
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13:17 < AkhI1> kdenlive seems to be nice home video tool
13:17 < AkhI1> but stil very unstable 
13:17 < Zelgadis> Genete: Well, it's kinda unstable, but openmovieeditor is the only tool which could satisfy my needs
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13:18 < Genete> I've used a couple of times Lives but it renders so slow (even slower than cinelerra)
13:18 < AkhI1> cinelerra renders very fast if your source format is same with output
13:18 < Zelgadis> screwing with cinelerra for a week to make small clip was too much for me
13:20 < Zelgadis> but for some purposes cinerella is really cool
13:20 < Ze1gadis> Проба
13:21 < Zelgadis> Genete: mibbit - cool! but it doesn't translates me :(
13:21 < AkhI1> it just copies data without processing it
13:21 < AkhI1> it works well with DV and image sequences
13:22 < Ze1gadis> странно
13:22 < Ze1gadis> странно
13:23 < Zelgadis> Genete: how do you get translation to english?
13:23 < Genete> Did you know that rendering from synfig to yuv420 allow you to load it into cinelerra without any problem (and with maximum quiality)?
13:23 < pabs3> factor: tried nouveau?
13:24 < Genete> Zelgadis: below the input text bar there are some links: Smilies, Colors, Translation, PasteBin. 
13:26 < Genete> Zelgadis, supongo que deberías tener tu lenguaje habilitado en tu navegador
13:26 < Ze1gadis> да
13:27 < Ze1gadis> oro?
13:27 < Genete> hola Zelgadis
13:27 < Genete> hola
13:27 < Genete> кажется, что mibbit не нравится русский
13:27 < Genete> к сожалению
13:27 < Genete> Крутой
13:28 < Ze1gadis> O_o
13:28 < Genete> сюрприз!
13:28 < Genete> synfig Это огромная программа!
13:29 < Ze1gadis> :D
13:29 < Ze1gadis> English -> russian works well. But when I writing in russian it's not translated to english
13:29 < Genete> Vamos a ver cómo se traduce esto al español ...
13:29 < Genete> Hey cool!
13:30 < Ze1gadis> Me
13:30 < Ze1gadis> Strange...
13:30 < Genete> Creo que usted debe seleccionar su idioma nativo como ruso y luego se traduce a Inglés?
13:30 < Genete> Я думаю, вы должны выбрать свой родной язык, русский, а затем он будет переводить на английский?
13:30 < Ze1gadis> Al parecer, "Traducir a mí" no tendrá ningún efecto para mí ...
13:31 < Genete> hey! Zelgadis is speaking in spanish!
13:31 < Ze1gadis> O_o
13:32 < Genete> It would be a complete babel tower if we mix langueges and ducks :o
13:32 < Ze1gadis> Onde posso configurar a minha língua nativa?
13:33 < Ze1gadis> Aha, found prefs
13:34 < Genete> Zelgadis: I'm just guessing. Not sure
13:34 < Ze1gadis> I begin to suspect that the problem with the encoding
13:35 < Ze1gadis> It works!
13:35 < Ze1gadis> Cool!
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13:35 < Ze1gadis> Now you can invite all your students here. ^ _ ^
13:36 < Ze1gadis> Hey, I told my uchnikov!
13:36 < enter_your_nickn> hello!
13:36 < Ze1gadis> Hey, I told my students!
13:36 < Ze1gadis> привет
13:36 < enter_your_nickn> Este es español?
13:36 < Ze1gadis> Privet
13:36 < Genete> hola enter_your_nickn
13:36 < Ze1gadis> Hello
13:37 < enter_your_nickn> Esto podría llegar realmente confuso!
13:37 < Genete> who are you enter_your_nickn?
13:37 < enter_your_nickn> I am Russian :)
13:37 < enter_your_nickn> oh
13:37 < enter_your_nickn> за исключением перевода на русский не работает?
13:37 < Zelgadis> Hey, me from Russia too!
13:37  * enter_your_nickn is dooglus
13:38 < Genete> I guessed it!!!
13:38 < Genete> :p
13:38 < Ze1gadis> Ah!
13:38 < enter_your_nickn> :)
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13:38 < Ze1gadis> :D
13:38 < Ze1gadis> ^_^
13:38 < AkhI1> nice toy
13:39 < Ze1gadis> Cool toy!
13:40 < Genete> Zelgadis: won't you be in the People list?
13:41 < Ze1gadis> I think it will be an honour for me.
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13:41 < Genete> You've commited some patches I think and worked a lot in the wiki. I think you should be there
13:42 < Ze1gadis> \me really likes new look of People page
13:42 < Genete> And hey! it is a wiki!!
13:42 < dooglus> the pictures are quite a bit smaller than before aren't they?
13:42 < Ze1gadis> I not commited any patches, just filling bugs ^_^
13:42 < dooglus> (apart from rore's, which is bigger now?)
13:43 < Ze1gadis> Well, anyway I like new design
13:43 < dooglus> Zelgadis: that's still a good contribution.  you suggest features too, which is also useful
13:43 < Ze1gadis> of this page :)
13:43 < Genete> dooglus: They have been all resized to fit similar size
13:43 < Ze1gadis> Genete, dooglus, thank you. Going to add myself.
13:45 < rore> dooglus: yes, now I'm bigger and pixelated :)
13:45 < Zelgadis> One question: is "dyloxyn, dooglus" alphabetical order
13:45  * Zelgadis wonders how to looks pabs3 
13:46  * Zelgadis wonders how pabs3 looks
13:50  * Genete wonder how Zelgadis looks
13:50 < rore> blue, with rocks patches on his head ?
13:51 < Zelgadis> rore: bingo! ^_^
13:51 < Zelgadis> bishounen with rocky skin
14:54 < Genete> OK, I'm self described
14:56 < Genete> ここで降ります。
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16:08 < factor-> the people page looksd ok on windows ,the main page still has the problem
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16:20 < dooglus> genete: did you see my commits for the star layer?
16:20 < genete> yeah
16:21 < dooglus> it can make some pretty curved stars now :)
16:21 < genete> but out of date... rebuilding
16:21 < dooglus> http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/star2.png
16:21 < genete> nice!
16:22 < genete> dooglus: guess what?
16:22 < dooglus> go no?
16:22 < dooglus> go on??
16:22 < genete> no?
16:22 < genete> it 
16:23 < genete> opens
16:23 < genete> a
16:23 < genete>  new
16:23 < genete> world!!!!
16:23 < genete>  ahahahahhaahah
16:23 < dooglus> ha
16:23 < genete> :P
16:23 < factor-> :)
16:23 < dooglus> not really
16:23 < dooglus> it's just a bline
16:23 < dooglus> would be better if it was animatable more uniformly
16:23 < dooglus> but you need to move each point manually
16:23 < genete> (it is just the silly genete jocking again)
16:24 < genete> really it is cool. 
16:25 < genete> Does it work for regular polygons too?
16:25 < dooglus> yeah
16:25 < genete> excellent
16:26 < genete> what do you opine about my video of last night? (the out9.ogg)
16:26 < genete> weird isn't it?
16:27 < dooglus> http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/hexagons.png
16:27 < dooglus> yes, I don't know what to think
16:28 < genete> maybe synfigstudio gets lazy when the amount of layres increases...
16:35 < factor-> nice sdtar
16:35 < factor-> star
16:36 < factor-> ther circle in the middle is it part of the same layer
16:36 < dooglus> no
16:37 < dooglus> it's alpha-over'ed
16:37 < factor-> ok
16:38 < dooglus> this is it: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/smooth-star-flower.sifz
16:41 < factor-> at woirk right now ,but thanks
16:43 < genete> dooglus: why is outer and inner tangents limited to [-3,10]?
16:44 < dooglus> genete: it just seemed reasonable
16:44 < dooglus> genete: I can remove the limits if you think that's bettr
16:44 < dooglus> (the inner one is more limited I think)
16:44 < genete> let me check that does the limits do
16:45 < dooglus> it depends on the number of points to some extent
16:51 < genete> I think it is enough. You can always change it later
16:51 < genete> rotating vertices respect to tangents produce funny things
16:53 < genete> and playing with even/odd overlap value
16:54 < genete> firefox crash again...
16:55 < genete> http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/Genete/synfig/Pantallazo-AnimacinSynfig1Raz.png
16:56 < dooglus> nice!
16:57 < genete> dooglus: in the new extended tools (rectangle, circle, etc) you have inserted the text: "Create...bla bla" but in the original one (BLine) it was just "Bla bla" wouldn't they be homogenous? I have to translate them all again :(
16:58 < dooglus> I think having "create" in there helps to make it clear what the checkbox is for
16:58 < genete> dooglus: so change the bline ones then to be homogeneous
16:59 < dooglus> right
16:59 < genete> dooglus: other thing
16:59 < dooglus> straight away, sir
16:59 < genete> can be the colors of the outline and the star object different? (like the region and the outline)
17:00 < genete> example rectangle white and outline black not white
17:00 < dooglus> I was thinking if you want an outline, you probably want the region bline to go with it
17:01 < dooglus> because then the blines are linked, and the offsets
17:01 < dooglus> the star layer itself and the outline aren't linked
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17:01 < dooglus> and what if you make all 3?
17:01 < genete> if you make all three the region is the same than the shape and the outline different
17:02 < genete> shapes would get the foreground color if they are alone
17:03 < genete> if outlines is selected then it is background color
17:03 < genete> like regions
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17:03 < genete> regions are white or black depending of outlines
17:03 < genete> shapes the same
17:04 < genete> oops!
17:04 < genete> have to go!
17:04 < genete> ttyl
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17:09 < Zelgadis> is there any way to change bline width at place where we don't have vertex?
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17:10 < dooglus> Zelgadis: it changes all the way along a segment from one vertex's width to the next...
17:10 < dooglus> Zelgadis: other than that, no.  widths are only defined at vertices
17:11 < Zelgadis> is it possible to add "weigths" for widths? ^_^
17:12 < Zelgadis> i.e. width changes not all the way along the segment
17:12 < factor-> that woiuld bre cool
17:16 < CIA-48> synfig: dooglus * r1992 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/state_bline.cpp: Replace "Gradient" checkbutton with "Create Gradient BLine", etc., like in the other tools.
17:16 < CIA-48> synfig: dooglus * r1993 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/state_star.cpp: Use the background color for star layers if we're also creating a star outline at the same time.
17:16 < CIA-48> synfig: dooglus * r1994 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/ (state_rectangle.cpp state_circle.cpp): Same as the previous commit, but for circles and rectangles as well.
17:18 < dooglus> there's the 'homogeneous' flag, which I think controls how the width changes
17:19 < dooglus> how do you see the weights working?
17:21 < Zelgadis> well, maybe something like a duck on bline which indicates the region where the width of current vertex isn't changed
17:21 < Zelgadis> I'll try to draw this
17:30 < factor-> i was thinking like ducks with different strengths at farther distances from the selected duck
17:30 < factor-> styrengthsd = like magnetic field
17:32 < dooglus> one the bline?
17:32 < dooglus> or separate from it?
17:32 < factor-> Of the same bline initaly
17:33 < factor-> buty would be cool for other blinesd weith in scope asd well
17:35 < factor-> Would help produce key frames for say ball falling on to bed to represent weight of the ball on the bed per se
17:36 < Zelgadis> I thinking about just reducing the count of verticles for variable-width blines
17:37 < dooglus> you don't want to have to add an extra vertex just to change the width - but you do want to change the width
17:37 < Zelgadis> dooglus: yes
17:38 < dooglus> at the moment each point has a width, and the width between 2 points is interpolated linearly (either over the length of the line, or the bezier parameter) between the 2 vertecies around it
17:43 < Zelgadis> http://zelgadis.profusehost.net/files/width-proposal.png
17:45 < factor-> ahh very nice
17:46 < factor-> calligraphy likre
17:46 < factor-> like
17:47 < factor-> that would definatly add more style capability
17:48 < Zelgadis> it will reduce count of unneeded vertices -> simplify the animation. That's what important for me. :)
17:50 < factor-> would be cool to have another window to design you stroke as normal duck/verts then would be used as a normal bline
17:50 < factor-> over the whole bline or from erach duck and then repeated
17:50 < factor-> each
17:51 < factor-> yes would reduce duck count
17:51 < Zelgadis> dramatically. Like Link to bline :)
17:59 < Zelgadis> bedtime for me. Good nigth all
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18:02 < factor-> k see ya
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18:32 < pixelgeek> So if a duck only changes the width, would it be a duckling?  
18:32 < pixelgeek> Or would it be something completely different?
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18:32 < pixelgeek> A gosling?
18:36 < rore> duck a l'orange
18:36 < rore> (ok, that's unrelated)
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18:49 < pixelgeek> duck a l'orange is a location duck, isn't it?  It'd have to be a different colour...  
18:49 < pixelgeek> duck a la purple?
18:50 < rore> ahah :) Duck a la violet ? (at least that one is a color and a flower. Unless there's a fruit/flower called "purple" too)
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18:55 < pixelgeek> perfect!
18:56 < pixelgeek> OK Rore - how do I set a region to alpha in gimp?  I've done it before, but I remember it was non-obvious...
18:56 < pixelgeek> Hi christopherjd !
18:56 < christopherjd> hi pg, hows you
18:57 < pixelgeek> I'm fine
18:57 < pixelgeek> What brings you to #synfig?
18:58 < christopherjd> good.. first time on this chat room thing and just looking about.. will be using this quite a bit i think...
18:58 < pixelgeek> Make yourself at home.  
18:58 < pixelgeek> The locals are all friendly (although we can go off into the weeds at time)
18:59 < rore> pixelgeek: well, ctrl+X, unless your layer doesn't have an alpha channel (if so: layers dialog, right click on the layer, "add alpha")
18:59 < christopherjd> cheers.. i'm a bit of an animator but cant get ubuntu on my mac at moment so no synfig as yet
18:59 < pixelgeek> A Mac user?  
18:59 < pixelgeek> Have you tried Fink?
18:59 < christopherjd> oh yes... a bad thing?
19:00 < pixelgeek> There's a synfig package for Fink under Mac OS
19:00 < christopherjd> no not yet... been using moho/ anime studio a lot
19:01 < christopherjd> will need to investigate more... very noobie
19:01 < pixelgeek> There's a couple of other AS users around here too.
19:02 < christopherjd> it's quite cool.. just rather use open souce
19:02 < pixelgeek> Gah!  Thanks rore!
19:03 < dooglus> christopherjd: synfig runs under X11 on OS/X too
19:04 < christopherjd> really... i havn't done my research... i read they had removed it because of bugs
19:05 < christopherjd> will have another look...
19:05 < dooglus> christopherjd: there's no official mac downloads because we don't have anyone with a mac in the team to build it - but you can build it yourself
19:05 < dooglus> christopherjd: http://synfig.org/Building_On_Mac_OS_X would be a good place to look
19:06 < christopherjd> as i said .. i'm a complete noobie, but i'll have a look and have a go!
19:06 < dooglus> christopherjd: oh, probably better: the fink links: http://synfig.org/Download#Fink
19:08 < christopherjd> it says none are stable... they work ok?
19:13 < pixelgeek> The fink packager says they work for him.
19:14 < pixelgeek> but they haven't been widely used that we know of.  
19:14 < pixelgeek> # of Mac users is small, the # of Synfig Mac users even smaller, and the # of Synfig users under Mac that use fink probably count on one hand
19:15 < christopherjd> i think i'm being a real donut here... i cant see what i'm meant to download
19:16 < pixelgeek> Download all three packages.
19:16 < pixelgeek> I'm assuming Fink knows where to install them to.
19:16 < pixelgeek> (I've never used fink)
19:17 < pixelgeek> I'll try to remember to ask Todd to write a 'how to' for Fink users.
19:18 < christopherjd> too much of a headache at mo and too much on (and battery about to die).. new ubuntu out in 2 weeks, will install on that. rather use on linux anyway
19:21 < christopherjd> anyway, thanks pixelgeek, and to you dooglus... will talk again... i WILL have questions to ask
19:21 < pixelgeek> :)
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19:45 < factor-> Yeah wee have some mac at my lug ,might as well use ubuntu and gnome
19:46 < factor-> some progs you cant get on linux movie edity for example
19:46 < factor-> but otherewise
19:46  * pixelgeek starts a campaign to buy factor a keyboard for his phone
19:47 < pixelgeek> ;)
19:47 < factor-> heh
19:48 < factor-> a bluetooth keyboard would be nice
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20:04 < Yaco> pabs3, i can send you the ssh key now
20:13 < pixelgeek> I'm betting he's asleep
20:14 < Yaco> hi pixelgeek 
20:14 < pixelgeek> Hiya
21:10  * pixelgeek afk
21:11 < rore> hi Yaco 
21:12 < Yaco> hi rore!
21:12 < rore> not too bored by the wiki yet? ;) 
21:13 < Yaco> haha
21:13 < Yaco> the wiki needs a lot of love
21:14 < factor-> heh
21:14 < rore> yep
21:14 < rore> On my side I don't really like mediawiki because it ignores my attemps to improve it :D
21:14 < factor-> people page looks good on all the browerts i think
21:15 < factor-> heh
21:15 < Yaco> hi factor- 
21:15 < factor-> now just the rest of them
21:15 < factor-> lo yacoi
21:15 < Yaco> rore, your image in Peple page looks a bit pixelated
21:16 < Yaco> you should upload a higher resolution version
21:16 < rore> Yaco: I know, I'll change it later maybe
21:17 < rore> you know, my image is pixelated, dooglus' one is painted over, factor's one is green .... :p
21:18 < factor-> yuppers
21:18 < factor-> anti vectored
21:18 < Yaco> all that crazy people...
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21:28 < rore> so, only 4 persons left that loves fishing and making sandwiches :)
21:29 < genete> hi rore :)
21:29 < rore> hi genete :)
21:29 < Yaco> hi genete 
21:29 < genete> hi Yaco 
21:29 < Yaco> it seems to be rore 
21:34 < factor-> heh
21:37 < factor-> people page groweing
21:37 < factor-> growing
21:37 < Yaco> yes factor- 
21:38 < Yaco> it seems that "describe yourself" idea have some good results
21:40 < genete> Yaco: your photo reminds me to Anakin Skywalker in Episode II... lol
21:40 < Yaco> genete, yes! i told you I got a dark side!!
21:40 < genete> lol and dyloxin is C3PO!!!! hahahahah
21:41 < genete> Mmmm who's Yoda?
21:41 < Yaco> pabs3?
21:41 < genete> yeah!
21:41 < genete> and rore  is Leia pincess 
21:42 < genete> aha!
21:43 < rore> baaaah no way :p
21:43 < genete> I don't know if dooglus is Qui-Gon Jinn or Chewbaakaa 
21:43 < rore> chewby !
21:43 < dooglus> Chewbaakaa
21:44 < genete> good people at all! ;)
21:44 < factor-> heh she needs the hair bun thing
21:44 < factor-> heh gente
21:45 < Yaco> hahaha
21:45 < factor-> pabs3 obiwon
21:45 < Yaco> we should all this info to the People page!! (?)
21:46 < genete> no Yaco no, or we would scary the new potential users... ;)
21:46 < Yaco> :-D
21:46 < genete> it would look like a sanatory
21:46 < Yaco> "another group of star wars frikis"
21:47 < genete> =)
21:47 < factor-> heh
21:49 < Yaco> who is the forums admin?
21:51 < genete> Yaco: login the forum and click on Administrators link at the bottom.
21:51 < genete> pabs3, ulrik, me, rore, pixelgeek and dooglus 
21:52 < genete> but really pabs3 is the man who made it work
21:55 < factor-> Yeah the data behind the page is great
21:55 < factor-> the page .... Still in yacos words needs some love
22:02 < genete> Yaco: is it possible to include the edition tools (bold, italic, etc) when editing a wiki page. I miss them :(
22:02 < Yaco> yes genete
22:02 < Yaco> i will add them as soon i get direct access to the theme
22:02 < Yaco> since now its difficult to me improve it
22:03 < genete> ok, thanks
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22:05 < Yaco> genete, can you add a link to this page http://synfig.org/Challenges/All in the Challenge section of the forums?
22:07 < genete> in which post?
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22:07 < Yaco> a new post
22:08 < Yaco> outside an specific challenge
22:08 < genete> ok, I'll make a sticky one
22:10 < Yaco> ok
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22:21 < genete> her comes Yaco's cousin...
22:23 < Yaco_> :-P
22:23 < Yaco_> now leaving!!
22:23 < factor-> which oner is the master
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22:24 < factor-> ppsft sorry another star wars joke
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22:28 < dooglus> genete: is the outline+(star,circle,whatever) stuff ok now?
22:29 < genete> I'm checking
22:29 < genete> I go back to the qiestion of Offset and Center
22:29 < genete> I think they would be the same
22:29 < dooglus> remember what english word we decided on?
22:29 < dooglus> (that they should all be?)
22:30 < genete> I believe of Center
22:30 < dooglus> or Offset?
22:30 < genete> the thing is that if you select two of them you could link the "center" or what ever is the name just right click over the param
22:30 < dooglus> or Origin
22:30 < genete> Origin I think
22:31 < genete> now if you select a cirle and a bline they don't share the same "Origin" as valuenode
22:31 < genete> so they cannot be linked
22:31 < genete> there is only one exception: the rectangle
22:31 < genete> that has not Origin defined
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22:35 < genete> dooglus: for star tool options, would be useful to specify inner outer radious relationship?
22:35 < genete> you can later scale the inner radious of the blines but it would be good if you can select it before. 
22:36 < dooglus> genete: do you mean to have all star tangents have their radii linked?
22:37 < genete> I mean, we're always maing 0.5 = outer radious/inner raidous stars
22:37 < genete> s/maing/making
22:37 < dooglus> oh, ok.  I misread - I thought you meant inner/outer tangents, sorry
22:37 < dooglus> yes - that's something I mean to do, the radius ratio thing
22:38 < genete> blined stars are very interesting to make funny things!!!
22:38 < dooglus> yeah
22:38 < dooglus> I was kind of surprised how nice the shapes it can make are
22:38 < dooglus> I'm off to bed - I'll ttyt
22:39 < genete> one single question
22:40 < genete> do you see useful a shortcut to select inversed ducks?
22:40 < genete> "Select inversed" 
22:41 < genete> if I make a cool ducks selection I would like to be able to select all the the non selected ducks and release the currently selected
22:41 < genete> I don't want to select the others one by one.
22:41 < genete> just a end user feature request ^_^
22:42 < genete> good night dooglus 
22:42 < dooglus> yes - good idea
22:42 < dooglus> I'd also like to be able to "select all" on layers
22:42 < dooglus> I can't at the moment, right?
22:42 < genete> you can CTRL-A
22:42 < genete> ah 
22:42 < genete> on layers...
22:42 < dooglus> right
22:43 < genete> encapsulate them all and select all child
22:43 < genete> :)
22:43 < dooglus> especially when testing the tools - I make a bunch of layers, then want to delete them quickly
22:43 < genete> hey, delete a layer is the most easy thing in synfig. Always available!! :)
22:44 < genete> but yes it would be cool too
22:44 < genete> or at last select all the layers at the same level
22:45 < genete> because if you select the children too you cannot delete them all (this layer no longer exist) =)
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