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00:00 < AkhIL> Linux artstation 2.6.27-gentoo-r7 #1 SMP Mon Dec 29 07:50:03 KRAT 2008 x86_64 AMD Phenom(tm) 9550 Quad-Core Processor AuthenticAMD GNU/Linux
00:00 < genete> and RAM?
00:01 < AkhIL> 4 gb
00:01 < genete> 8gb :-P
00:02 < AkhIL> 2 gb is used. 
00:02 < AkhIL> yah. I want to buy more. but still never got swap used
00:03 < pixelgeek> P4 w/ 512kB.  :(
00:03 < genete> my bechmarking was up to 16 synfig builds at the same time. It was dooglus doing mad things in my pc :)
00:03 < genete> he stopped the gui :)
00:04 < pixelgeek> creek23: are you on vista or XP?
00:05 < creek23> xp
00:06 < genete> because I I don't know if you know that but I have in my pc builds of synfig and synfigstudio each 2 or 3 commits from svn r1200
00:06 < AkhIL> I think some large scene in 3d will eat 8gb withut any questions
00:06 < genete> so old bugs are easy to catch now
00:07 < creek23> can anyone help me with this gettext problem?
00:07 < rubikcube> the Resynthesizer plugin will eat 8GB without doubt with medium sized imges in GIMP :)
00:07 < creek23> the one that came from cygwin.
00:07 < AkhIL> ha-ha
00:07 < AkhIL> nice way to spend processor time
00:11 < AkhIL> my X looks slow even when processor in idle
00:11 < AkhIL> seems screen resolution to high
00:12 < creek23> autopoint failed with exit status: 1
00:12 < creek23> :-(
00:13 < genete> creek23: it is only pixelgeek the one that can help you, I think. I have no idea on windows (and on synfig build under windows even less) 
00:14 < creek23> autopoint: *** infrastructure files for version 0.14.4 not found; this is autopoint from GNU gettext-tools 0.17
00:14 < creek23> will that help? :|
00:15 < creek23> i had no problem compiling synfig on my ubuntu box -- with your written procedure.
00:15 < pixelgeek> Yes - I had major headaches with gettext when pabs threw that in the mix.  
00:15 < pixelgeek> I believe I'm using gettext from the GTK package
00:15 < creek23> i believe so too.
00:16 < creek23> i saw gettext from GTK\2.0\bin\{here}
00:16 < pixelgeek> Which version of GTK are you using?
00:16 < creek23> i think i should rename it.
00:16 < creek23> gtk-dev-2.12.9-win32-2.exe
00:16 < pixelgeek> Hmmmm....  
00:17 < pixelgeek> That may be why I rolled back to 2.10....  
00:17 < creek23> sheesh! :(
00:17 < pixelgeek> But if you figure it out, let me know!  :)
00:18 < creek23> heh! :P
00:18 < pixelgeek> The number of Windows users here are few and far between.  
00:18 < creek23> i see.
00:18 < pixelgeek> The number of people that can actually compile under windows can be counted on one hand.  
00:19 < creek23> im actually using these cross platform softwares to lure windows users and convert them to GNU/Linux :DDD
00:19 < creek23> i made some success with GIMP, and InkScape.
00:19 < creek23> now, I'm onto this-- synfig.
00:21 < genete> "In Linux life is easier" << new 'I'm on Linux' context slogan
00:21 < AkhIL> my boss sed I should teach corel draw. but i'm teaching inkscape 8)
00:23 < genete> Ugh! that reminds me the time when I tried Corel Linux... the worst linux distro in the world!
00:23 < creek23> AkhiL, are you an art dude? or the coder type dude?
00:24 < creek23> they did that on purpose :D
00:24 < pixelgeek> (Atrus, myself, and I think dooglus, although he usually works in Linux as its easier to debug.  )
00:24 < AkhIL> creek23, i'm yoga-reiki master 8)
00:25 < pixelgeek> !
00:25 < pixelgeek> You'd get on well with my wife.  She's into Nia right now.  
00:26 < creek23> heh.
00:27 < creek23> MingW installation: hack the /usr/local/bin/autopoint script so that prefix is defined as /usr/local instead of /usr.
00:27 < creek23> what 'prefix'?
00:27 < pixelgeek> check that script
00:27 < pixelgeek> there's a definition for PREFIX
00:27 < pixelgeek> It's up near the top
00:28 < creek23> just saw it.
00:32 < creek23> should i put gettext on a fake cygwin installation, or in msys?
00:32 < genete> I start like doing sudokus... Am I getting old?
00:33 < pixelgeek> msys?  
00:33 < pixelgeek> YMMV
00:33  * pixelgeek likes sudoku too.
00:34 < creek23> therefor, pixelgeek is getting old too ^^
00:34 < pixelgeek> Yes, my Xmas presents included 3 shirts, a sweater and a jacket.  I've gotten to that age....  
00:35 < creek23> age of no toy gifts :D
00:38 < genete> good night
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00:42 < pixelgeek> 'night genete
00:43 < pixelgeek> (btw - We are currently developing a bones system what is the intermediate solution and the most requested. -> We are currently developing a bones system WHICH is the intermediate solution and the most requested. )
00:45 < pixelgeek> creek23: Did you have any other questions before I head home?
00:46 < pixelgeek> I _may_ be online later, but maybe not tonight. 
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00:48 < creek23> i think so. wait.
01:05 < creek23> oops... there's none :D
01:05 < creek23> (hope, i didnt keep you waiting.)
01:06 < pixelgeek> :)
01:06 < pixelgeek> later
01:06 < creek23> kk
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01:47 < TemplaEdhel> I need some help getting this to work on ubuntu 8.10, I followed the building tutorial but got a lot of errors
01:47 < pixelbot> For information on Synfig on Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex see http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=277
01:47 < TemplaEdhel> ya I followed that. thanks bot
01:48 < TemplaEdhel> anyone talking?
01:48 < pabs3> what errors did you get?
01:48 < TemplaEdhel> well when I was doing $make on synfig it got stuck in a loop
01:49 < pabs3> hmmm, can you paste the info to http://pastebin.ca ?
01:49 < TemplaEdhel> okay
01:52 < TemplaEdhel> here I'll be right back, give me like 5 minutes k?
01:53 < pabs3> sure
01:54 < TemplaEdhel> well I want to animate pictures
01:54 < TemplaEdhel> sorry wrong chat
02:01 < TemplaEdhel> okay I'm just "make install"ing it 
02:01 < TemplaEdhel> this took awhile last time
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05:54 < krish> synfig cant run on 3yr old hardware?
05:56 < pabs3> it can, but it will be very slow
05:57 < AkhIL|clone> can
05:57 < AkhIL|clone> I made some animations on AthlonXP 2500+
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05:58 < krish> some
05:58 < AkhIL> you may use low quality preview
05:58 < krish> hmm    I have sempron 2400+
05:58 < krish> 1.25GB ram
05:58 < pabs3> that sounds faster than my laptop
05:59 < krish> :)
05:59 < krish> thats 1.67Ghz, which is about 4 years old
05:59 < AkhIL> my celeron 1.8 faster then athlonxp
06:00 < krish> ya, my laptop is also celeron M 540 (1.83Ghz) faster than my current desktop
06:00 < krish> but i prefer doing anime in desktop
06:01 < krish> this is my first time using synfig.. just going through the tuts that pabs3 linked yesterday
06:01 < AkhIL> Celeron(R) CPU 540 @ 1.86GHz
06:01 < AkhIL> same
06:01 < AkhIL> it is faster then athlonxp
06:02 < AkhIL> 1.2-1.6 times
06:02 < krish> heh :)
06:02 < krish> AkhIL: what laptop?
06:03 < krish> pabs3: dont tools have shortcuts in synfig?
06:03 < AkhIL> krish, in one dedline project i had used desktop as remote screen for laptop
06:03 < pabs3> krish: I think they do, check the wiki page about keyboard shortcuts
06:03 < krish> hmm ok
06:03 < krish> AkhIL: you do animation projects?
06:08 < pabs3> he has some stuff on the gallery page
06:09 < AkhIL> http://synfig.org/Gallery
06:10 < AkhIL> pabs3, do you need link to advert where I had used synfig for rotoscoping in gallery?
06:10 < AkhIL> actualy this is not animation
06:10 < pabs3> hmm, not sure
06:11 < AkhIL> yah. me too
06:14 < krish> where's the erase tool :P
06:17 < pabs3> http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=264
06:19 < krish> okay i drew something by mistake on the empty canvas :P
06:19 < krish> which is not a layer
06:20 < pabs3> the sketch tool? click the erase sketch button in the tool options panel thing
06:22 < krish> i am yet to find that erase sketch button
06:23  * pabs3 screenshot
06:24 < pabs3> http://imagebin.ca/img/UT7jqPw3.png
06:24 < pabs3> to be fair, it is clear sketch rather than erase sketch
06:26 < krish> heh, thats the navigation and options dock
06:26 < krish> i was searching in the tool dock
06:26 < krish> thks :)
06:26 < krish> sometimes I am such a stupid :(
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11:25 < user___> hello
11:25 < user___> there is frenchies here ?
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11:32 < genete> hi, some of them, yes. rore and Kibi I think. Not me for sure :)
11:33 < KiBi> genete: user___ left 2 seconds too early ;)
11:34 < genete> oh :O
11:34 < genete> or I typed to seconds later :)
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12:34  * creek23 wakes from a couple of hours nap
12:34 < creek23> (which is also called deep sleeping) :D
12:36 < creek23> hi everyone! in Flash, it is possible that to put (lets say) bubbles on frame 1, then none on frame 2 and and another on frame 3 and none of frame 4 -- which give the illusion of bubbles popping. how do i make that in Synfig?
12:37 < genete> hi creek23, most of the object layers have a parameter called "Amount". It is like the alpha value of the layer. If you set it to 0 the layer dissapears. When you set it to 1 the layer raises. 
12:38 < genete> to do it not smooth you should set the waypoints interpolation mode to "Constant"
12:43 < genete> change the interpolation method of a waypoint is easy, right click on the waypoint and select it from the context menu
13:16 < rore> that could be a good idea for a short and easy tutorial on "amount" (bubles popping, or stars blinking, etc.). 
13:42 < creek23> how can i contribute such bubbles tutorial? i think bubbles would be better than stars since bubbles will also have to move up then pop. :)
13:45 < rore> Well, write it, take screenshots, and then copy/paste it on a wiki page (the images can be hosted on the wiki or on an external host like photobucket & co)
13:45 < rore> if you're not familiar with the wiki syntax, you can always ask for help or for a review of your tuto here 
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13:51 < lkundrak> heya!
13:52 < rore> hi lkundrak 
13:53 < creek23> okay thanks!
13:54 < genete> hi lkundrak (difficult to pronunce your nick btw)
13:54 < genete> creek23: edit some of the previous tutorials or other wiki pages helps too to understand wiki sintax. It is waht I do all the time! :)
13:56 < creek23> i've been a Wikipedia editor ;-)
13:56 < genete> oops! so you have to teach us!. :)
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13:58 < creek23> got dc!
13:58 < creek23> back.
13:58 < creek23> btw, i edited MinGW Installation 'recipe' -- made the format better; i think ^^
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14:06 < vince38> hi :)
14:06 < creek23> hello vince38
14:09 < lkundrak> aaah, ETL is sooo broken. if only it weren't that useful :/
14:10 < genete> lkundrak: in which sense is ETL broken?
14:10 < genete> are you under gentoo?
14:12 < lkundrak> genete: the autoconf-generated etl_profile seems so sick to me... and no; trying to resurrect the fedora package.
14:12 < genete> ah, fedora yes I remember the problem
14:14 < lkundrak> genete: seems like there are only around 7 instances where those HAVE_ defines are actually used, and seems like they could easily be replaced with #ifdef linux, BSD, windows, so that no generated header would be required
14:17 < genete> If you know a solution please provide a patch and send it to http://patches.synfig.org
14:18 < lkundrak> genete: I'm afraid my solution would be very linux&glibc-centric, since I don't know much about windows; so probably just applicable to Fedora :(
14:19 < genete> it doesn't matter. If you put the solution on the desk maybe someone else can adapt it to be unversally working
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14:25 < creek23> theres no problem with ETL on windows. just happened to build it last night.
14:26 < creek23> it's only the core and studio that's not. due to gettext :-$
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16:18 < creek23> im trying to build core again but i noticed this line in error message: You should add the contents of `/usr/share/aclocal/libtool.m4' to `aclocal.m4'
16:18 < creek23> should aclocal.m4 be a file? where should i place it?
16:20 < creek23> or is aclocal.m4 a directory?
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16:25 < creek23> autpoint problem "SOLVED"!
16:25 < creek23> gonna update MinGW Installation later.
16:27 < creek23> crap! aclocal.m4 is trying to be the next build-culprit! :(
16:31 < creek23> it seems aclocal.m4 is an output file after running /bin/aclocal
16:37 < rore> I remember having some .m4 message warning, when building, but it was just warning, and not a problem for the build
16:40 < creek23> another, i got cyggettextsrc-0-17.dll not found
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16:50 < rore> cyg? like cygwin thing?
16:52 < creek23> yup. :(
16:53 < creek23> almost had it! argh!
16:59 < rore> and no gettext lib in MinGW?
17:02 < creek23> nope. still trying to find one. :-(
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18:00 < creek23> why am i getting a undefined reference to ***? isnt the snv trunk buildable? :-/
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19:19 < creek23> help, "C:/msys/1.0/home/creek23/synfig/build/synfig-core/win32build/libltdl/../../libltdl/ltdl.c:3346: undefined reference to `getenv'" -- i used the source from the trunk
19:20 < creek23> i got lots of those undefined reference
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20:43 < creek23> i added splashscreen on wish list: http://synfig.org/Wish_list#Interchangeable.2Fcustomizing_Splash_screen
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22:41 < creek23> i think you should make a "get synfig" badge like these ones on Morevna(http://morevnaproject.org/)
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22:50 < pabs3> creek23: we had a challenge about badges IIRC, check the forum/wiki
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