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01:33 < pabs3> just saw that the fedora packages got taken over by a new packager
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10:26 < genete> I can't believe it! Ubuntu Jaunty still with Synfig 0.61.08!
10:34 < rore> heh :/ But maybe now it works
10:35 < genete> hi rore. But it stills 0.61.08!
10:35 < rore> I know, I know :( 
10:36 < genete> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1036503&highlight=synfig
10:37 < genete> this guy has a repository with the binaries for 0.61.09. How can we make it available for Jaunty? Ubuntu people looks a little dumb...
10:37 < rore> ^^
10:38 < rore> maybe his repo will work for jaunty too ? At least, we should point to his message in the install thread
10:38 < genete> it is already in the forum
10:38 < rore> ok
10:39 < genete> I'll fix a link on the top post and a link in the download area
10:39 < genete> but I would like to see 0.61.09 in Ubuntu 9.04 at last form a trusted repository :/
10:40 < rore> 9.04 is jaunty?
10:40 < genete> yeah
10:40 < Zelgadis> Hola, genete!
10:40 < genete> Hi Zelgadis :)
10:40 < Zelgadis> 'jour rore.
10:42 < rore> ?????? Zelgadis 
10:43 < Zelgadis> ^__^
10:43 < rore> (ok, I just copy/pasted from a website and hope it's not bullshit :])
10:43 < Zelgadis> rore: You hit right.
10:45 < genete> rore I'm waiting your entry for January challenge... 8-)
10:45  * rore will do some "priviet Zelgadis" next time because finding how to write cyrilic characters on this keyboard is too complex :D
10:45 < rore> genete: heeeeeeeeeey we're hardly at the beggining of january :p
10:46 < genete> yeah! and this year comes with an extra second! :)
10:46 < rore> wasn't it last year that had an extra second? :)
10:47 < rore> And I was sick 3 days so I want 3 days more :p
10:47 < genete> no. It was added at 0:59:59 in January 1st
10:47 < rore> (and I don't find the subject very appealing)
10:47 < genete> have you seen my entry?
10:47 < genete> it is abstract :-P
10:48 < rore> ahah, indeed
10:57 < rore> raaaaahhhhh sh*t I forgot the "render single frame" 
11:01 < genete> lol
11:17 < genete> There is a question in the forum that I don't know how to reply. It is in fact one of my older problems with linux. How to remove an application installed using 'sudo make install'?
11:18 < genete> sudo make uninstall? 
11:18 < Zelgadis> There is no way to automatically remove it, i think.
11:18 < genete> but the Makefile.am should have one I think
11:19 < genete> make should be able to do it as well as it has all the values from the last configure call
11:19 < Zelgadis> I don't know, but generally you should go to /usr/local, find files related to the program and remove them by hand. Kinda tricky.
11:20 < genete> there are mime types, paths, ... I'm not sure that only remove the files should be sane
11:21 < Zelgadis> genete: everything is installed in subdirs of /usr/local if no --prefix was given during ./configure
11:22 < genete> yes, but tell it to a newbie! :)
11:22 < Zelgadis> ^_^
11:22 < Zelgadis> He could clear /usr/local if he has no other programs installed by hand.
12:37 < genete> Zelgadis: I'm trying to use krita again. Is there a simple eraser tool?
12:37 < genete> I just find the "Erase parts of a selection" tool
12:37 < Zelgadis> genete: Which verison of krita?
12:37 < rore>  sudo make uninstall should work (well, I hope we have an uninstall section in the makefile :p)
12:38 < genete> Zelgadis: 1.6.3
12:38 < genete> rore: late! but thanks :) 
12:39  * rore was eating - not in front of the comp', there's enough dirt in the keyboard already :D
12:39 < pixelbot> Mmmm... Tasty
12:39 < rore> ahah
12:40 < genete> chocolate again!?? :-P
12:41 < Zelgadis> genete: Select "Pixel Eraser" instead of "Pixel Brush"
12:41 < Zelgadis> when using draw tool
12:41 < genete> ah
12:41 < genete> thanks
12:42 < Zelgadis> np
12:42 < genete> but it erases the white background too
12:42 < rore> paint with white ? :)
12:42 < Zelgadis> genete: use white brush
12:43 < genete> in Gimp I erase automatically "painting" with the background color when I select the eraser. It is more intuitive I think
12:44 < rore> genete: only when there's no alpha channel on your layer
12:45 < rore> otherwise it just makes transparent holes in your layer 
12:45 < genete> ok, ok, it is a miss concept I have. I need a second white layer below the current drawings :)
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13:09 < pabs3> genete: someone who uses Ubuntu needs to send sync requests (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SyncRequestProcess), then send backport requests
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16:07 < krish> I am watching the first video here http://synfig.org/Video_Tutorials
16:08 < krish> I dont understand how he got the green marker on the 0f of timeline
16:08 < Zelgadis> krish: You mean waypoint?
16:08 < krish> i tried the same as shown in the video, and it creates those marker at 1s and then at 2s
16:08 < krish> Zelgadis: whatever its called. I am noob to synfig
16:09 < Zelgadis> krish: I suppose you forgot to set keyframe at 0f.
16:09 < krish> i did
16:09 < krish> but see the video
16:09 < krish> he clicks on the 2nd keyframe
16:09 < krish> and then moves the ball to another position
16:10 < Zelgadis> Ah...
16:10 < Zelgadis> krish: Check Frame Lock button
16:10 < krish> frame lock hmm let me see that
16:11 < krish> mine is set to all keyframes locked, so is the same in the video
16:11 < krish> Zelgadis: brb
16:11 < krish> dinner.
16:11 < Zelgadis> ok
16:37 < krish> back
16:52 < krish> does anyone have a nice video of whats happening in the first video at http://synfig.org/Video_Tutorials
16:54 < Zelgadis> krish: So you changed the position on the second keyframe, right?
16:54 < Zelgadis> ...and no waypoint appeared at the first keyframe?
16:55 < Zelgadis> Have you switched into "animation mode"?
16:55 < krish> yes i have
16:55 < krish> s/have/had
16:56 < Zelgadis> What about third keyframe? Is there any waypoint appeared?
16:56 < krish> yes
16:56 < krish> waypoint appeared only at 1s and 2s
16:56 < Zelgadis> krish: Which is your version of synfig?
16:56 < krish> the latest
16:56 < krish> 0.61.09
16:56 < Zelgadis> krish: Could you share .sifz file?
16:57 < krish> okay gimme a sec
17:02 < krish> Zelgadis: accept the file
17:03 < Zelgadis> It appeared, but not downloading :(
17:03 < krish> aw
17:04 < krish> any file sharing site where i dont have to register?
17:05 < pabs3> filebin.ca
17:05 < pabs3> or imagebin.ca for images
17:06 < Zelgadis> krish: Have you recieved PM?
17:06 < krish> yep
17:06 < krish> pabs3: thks, will use that next time :P
17:06 < Zelgadis> got
17:08 < Zelgadis> krish: You have changed circle position at 2s - it is a third keyframe
17:08 < Zelgadis> You should change its position at 1s - second keyframe
17:10 < krish> no no
17:10 < krish> i can record a desktop video and show you
17:10 < krish> i clicked on keyframe that says 1s - 1s
17:10 < Zelgadis> krish: And then you changed the circle position?
17:11 < krish> yes
17:11 < Zelgadis> krish: Ah!
17:11 < krish> ?
17:11 < Zelgadis> You should click on the (JMP) column at the 1s-1s row
17:11 < Zelgadis> Not at any place - at (JMP)
17:11 < krish> oh
17:11 < krish> let me try
17:12 < Zelgadis> Then 1s will become your current keyframe
17:13 < Zelgadis> Synfig will only select keyframe otherwise.
17:13 < krish> oh
17:13 < krish> it worked
17:13 < Zelgadis> good
17:13 < Zelgadis> bedtime here
17:13 < krish> we need audio in the videos!
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17:13 < krish> thks zelgadis..
18:07 < krish> what is a bline?
19:00 < krish> cant sketch be used as a layer?
19:00 < krish> and be manupulated with
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19:28 < vince38> hi :)
19:29 < krish> hi
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19:42 < creek23> hi all :-)
19:42 < pixelbot> Hello creek23
19:42 < vince38> hi :)
19:43 < creek23> hi vince, are you on windows?
19:51 < vince38> oh sorry
19:51 < vince38> no i am not
19:52 < vince38> Xubuntu here
19:55 < creek23> oh.
19:56 < krish> i drew some bline figure, but the movement point is far away from it
19:56 < krish> how do I get it in the center of the figure
19:56 < vince38> move it with the mouse ?
19:57 < krish> nah if i hold the origin and move the figure moves with it
19:58 < vince38> i don't have synfig open here ....but same thing if you selct only the point ?
19:59 < krish> yep
20:00 < vince38> oooh , if i remember , select all your object and bring it near the movement point ,
20:00 < krish> or may be I am doing somethin wrong
20:00 < vince38> then move all 
20:00 < vince38> see what i mean ?
20:01 < krish> nah
20:01 < krish> how do I select my object
20:01 < krish> its a bline figure
20:01 < vince38> ctrl+a
20:01 < krish> so it has all tangents open
20:01 < krish> cool
20:01 < krish> thks
20:02 < vince38> alt+f2 is useful too , if i remember it make appear tangents or not
20:03 < krish> heh alt+f2 is programmed to open my run dialog on suse :)
20:05 < vince38> oh im wrong , same thing here
20:08 < vince38> :-D well i cant find this again but its useful 
20:08 < krish> :)
20:10 < vince38> ok, it's shift+alt+3 here
20:11 < krish> how do i reverse a radial gradient
20:12 < vince38> may be look in properties dialog ?
20:12 < creek23> um, change the color pattern?
20:12 < krish> in linear if i change my primary and secondary color it changes
20:12 < krish> but radial isnt changing
20:12 < krish> creek23: yep
20:13 < krish> like from black -> white to white -> black
20:13  * creek23 is launching synfig...
20:13  * creek23 waits for it...
20:13  * creek23 waits for it even longer...
20:14 < vince38> hoho so long on windows ?
20:14  * creek23 waits for it in a moment now...
20:14 < creek23> there.
20:14 < creek23> :D
20:14 < krish> heh
20:14 < creek23> it did switch to me tho.
20:15 < creek23> on the toolbar, find the button that says "Swap FG and BG colors"
20:17 < krish> yes i see that
20:17 < krish> thats what ive been using
20:17 < krish> i am trying to gradient on a bline figure
20:17 < vince38> select your gradient and look on the properties dialog ?
20:18 < krish> wait, its not gradienting on the bline figure
20:18 < krish> but creating a circle and gradienting it
20:18 < krish> grr
20:19 < creek23> :P
20:23 < krish> so how do i do it
20:23 < krish> no way to gradient a bline tool
20:24 < krish> considering that i work on gimp why am i scratching head at these!
20:24 < vince38> gradient a bline tool ?
20:26 < krish> in a bline figure sorry
20:26 < krish> figure created with bline
20:26 < krish> has plain color fill
20:26 < krish> want to use gradient on that
20:27 < krish> ah, i am not able to gradient on a circle figure too
20:29 < vince38> oh 
20:29 < vince38> may be , check the bline box , and select "create a gradient"
20:30 < vince38> your gradient will hopefully have the shape that the bline points delimits
20:30 < vince38> sorry for my english , i 'even hard to understand myself
20:31 < vince38> :-D
20:32 < creek23> krish: how does it look on your computer?
20:32 < krish> creek23: what looks how?
20:33 < vince38> your face splashed on the screen ? :-D 
20:33 < vince38> joke ...
20:34 < vince38> krish: did you saw the different kinds of bline objet you can make ?
20:34 < krish> vince38: nope
20:34 < krish> link
20:35 < vince38> in english it must be the bline tool box
20:35 < vince38> synfig in french here
20:36 < krish> oh that
20:36 < krish> i am using region bline
20:36 < vince38> so..you shd find what you want here
20:36 < krish> you mean i should use curve gradient bline
20:36 < krish> hmm
20:36 < krish> worth a try
20:37 < krish> any doc telling what these different types are?
20:38 < creek23> krish: the bline shape was created with?
20:38 < vince38> their name say it all , no ?
20:38  * creek23 tries to re-create what krish is doing.
20:38 < pixelbot> Mmmm... Tasty
20:38 < krish> with region bline
20:38 < krish> bline tool -> just region bline
20:40 < creek23> okay. here's how to do it: the synfig way -- (i know it's kindof, "what-the-'ef'")
20:40 < creek23> 1. make a bline shape.
20:41 < krish> go on
20:41 < creek23> 2. make a riadial gradient.
20:41 < creek23> 3. check the layers panel.
20:41 < creek23> it seems the 2 objects are highlighted, if not select them.
20:42 < creek23> 4. right-click any of the 2 selected, then choose encapsulate.
20:43 < creek23> the layers will be "folder"-ed with a new layer called "Inline Canvas"
20:43 < krish> hmm ok seems to do something
20:43 < creek23> click the plus symbol
20:43 < creek23> you'll see the 2 object's layer again.
20:43 < creek23> now select ONLY the gradient layer.
20:44 < creek23> on params window,
20:44 < creek23> change Composite to Onto.
20:44 < creek23> you'll find it in "Blend Method"
20:44 < creek23> you should be done.
20:45 < vince38> it sound good :)
20:45 < krish> hmm
20:45 < creek23> did it?
20:45  * krish saves the wonderful chat
20:45 < creek23> heh.
20:45 < krish> creek23: ya kinda
20:46 < creek23> i know its bery different than in GIMP. right? ;-)
20:46 < krish> but hmm i i i wonder why it is orange gradient when my pri and sec colors are black and white!
20:46 < creek23> so there, you can say it.... wt-ef
20:46 < creek23> :D
20:46 < creek23> oh.
20:46 < creek23> it's looks ok in mine.
20:46 < krish> with the orange gradient yes i can say wt*
20:46 < creek23> ahaha!
20:47 < krish> creek23: what is below the pri and sec color
20:47 < vince38> if i understand , gradient color is different box than primary colors
20:47 < creek23> i think so.
20:48 < krish> below the option on how to overlap the layer (like multiply and all)
20:48 < krish> i see orange there
20:48 < krish> crap
20:49 < krish> i change that and the gradient changes
20:49 < creek23> umm, where do you see that primary and secondary?
20:49 < creek23> what color is it now?
20:49 < krish> i mean foreground and background colors 
20:49 < krish> are black and white
20:49 < krish> and then below that there is another thin horizontal line
20:49 < krish> its orange there
20:50 < creek23> how many layers ahave you got?
20:50 < creek23> *have
20:50 < krish> on mouse over it reads default gradient
20:50 < krish> 5
20:54 < creek23> maybe you had the other layers when you encapsulated?
20:54 < krish> nah
20:54 < krish> creek23: it worked
20:54 < krish> i restarted synfig
20:54 < creek23> heh.
20:54 < krish> opened the same project again and it worked
20:54 < krish> man o man
20:54 < krish> oh btw, even mirroring wasnt working
20:54 < krish> let me try it again
20:55 < krish> nope no luck
20:55 < krish> howd you mirror with mirrortool
20:55 < krish> i have a bline figure
20:57 < creek23> select the layer of that figure.
20:57 < krish> yep
20:57 < creek23> select all ducks.
20:57 < creek23> (yes, "ducks" -- not docks) :D
20:57 < krish> thats ctrl+a?
20:57 < creek23> i suppose.
20:57 < creek23> then select mirror.
20:58 < vince38> http://synfig.org/Mirror_Tool
20:58 < creek23> click on one of the ducks.
20:58 < creek23> done.
20:58 < krish> i suppose i dont understand what duck is
20:58 < krish> other than something related to food
20:58 < creek23> the dots.
20:58 < creek23> heh
20:59 < creek23> the small dots that you pick -- or makes up the bline figure.
20:59 < creek23> i dunno why they called it ducks -- and not "docks".
21:00 < creek23> btw, not english native here as well. ;-)
21:00 < krish> vince38: tht worked
21:00 < rore> http://synfig.org/Duck <--- the "why" are the parts framed.
21:00 < vince38> where are you from creek23 ?
21:00 < krish> creek23: not native english! I couldn't tell
21:00 < krish> people here speak worse
21:01 < vince38> :-D
21:01 < krish> creek23's method would have worked too, but hmm gotta update my brainodict with duck = points, food!
21:02 < rore> (orange ducks always make me laugh because my mind tells me "duck ? l'orange") 
21:03 < krish> wanna look at what i am making?
21:03 < vince38> ahah rore
21:03 < vince38> krish: sure
21:06 < krish> http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/4214/tuxra9.jpg
21:07 < vince38> :-D
21:07 < vince38> nice duck
21:07 < krish> :)
21:07 < vince38> will you make it walk or fly ?
21:08 < krish> vince38: i was surprised when creek23 said select all ducks! :)
21:08 < krish> vince38: its kinda too heavy to fly
21:08 < krish> i think ill practise my amatuer skills with walking cycle first
21:08 < vince38> i've done somthing like this 
21:11 < krish> vince38: link
21:11 < vince38> yep wait
21:11 < creek23> vince: from Philippines.
21:12 < creek23> krish: cool. tux. --- may i suggest that you make baby gnu too? :P
21:13 < vince38> http://www.vincelety.lautre.net/anim/pinguMarche2.avi   <--- well, i'm noob in synfig and in drawing
21:14 < creek23> im making the bubbles animation -- then a tutorial for it.
21:15 < creek23> but i really sense that there's a need for synfig to have scripting.
21:15 < rore> vince38: that's a sliding tux more than a walking one, but funny anyway :)
21:15 < creek23> the script will automate some basice animation like wiggles and such.
21:16 < vince38> yes , it's jesusNux
21:16 < rore> heheheheh
21:16 < krish> creek23: :), yep i am planning to. but let me complete the tux first
21:16 < vince38> creek23: good idea !
21:17 < krish> i'd also probably start making tutorials from next month
21:17 < krish> once i am good with this
21:17 < creek23> vince: can't understand a word there in your animation. :P
21:18 < krish> by stint with pencil crashed horribly, resulting in a half minute animation going waste bcos of bugs relating to sound and export quality handling
21:18 < vince38> creek23: well, i guess you don't speak french :P
21:18 < krish> vince38: is it thinking to pee or not?
21:19 < creek23> vince: guess what: you're guess it right. :DDD
21:19 < vince38> krish: ahahahahaha
21:19 < creek23> i think it's trying to say, where's that bug now? ;-)
21:20 < vince38> no, he's looking for his friends, where and when do they meet
21:20 < vince38> it's  a part of a small film i'm making for my LUG here
21:21 < creek23> heh. part eh. wanna see the whole thing when it's done.
21:21 < krish> yah whole thing please
21:21 < vince38> mmm i'm actually not reaaly proud of what i've done 
21:22 < krish> anyway sorry for mistaking its intentions; kinda used to seeing those expressions on roads here
21:22 < vince38> krish: you're from india ?
21:23 < krish> vince38: bingo
21:24 < krish> aha, found a way to split tangents, that helps my penguins butt go smoother
21:25 < vince38> yea , you pinguin is fat :-D
21:25 < krish> :P
21:26 < creek23> perhaps a macho penquin :D
21:26 < krish> how'd you guess its india here
21:26 < creek23> IP address.
21:26 < krish> creek23: nah i want it to break some hardware by "sitting" on them
21:26 < creek23> heh
21:26 < krish> creek23: there must be another way
21:26 < creek23> and you seem to logged in linux-india
21:26 < krish> you see: 
21:26 < krish> [01:53] <krish> anyway sorry for mistaking its intentions; kinda used to seeing those expressions on roads here
21:26 < krish> [01:54] <vince38> krish: you're from india ?
21:26 < creek23> :-P
21:27 < vince38> krish:only you infos
21:27 < vince38> your*
21:27 < creek23> you male or ?
21:27 < creek23> *or female
21:27 < krish> who me!
21:27 < vince38> indian name and you're in indian channels
21:28 < creek23> krish: yep
21:28 < krish> vince38: you could even guess that ia m indian by this: 
21:28 < krish> [01:53] <krish> anyway sorry for mistaking its intentions; kinda used to seeing those expressions on roads here
21:28 < vince38> krish: careful of creek23 , he's looking for a wife !
21:28 < krish> creek23: definitely male
21:28 < creek23> ahaha
21:28 < krish> creek23: wife in India!
21:28 < creek23> funny you vince!
21:28 < vince38> :-D
21:28 < krish> nohhhhhh, please
21:29 < vince38> why do you say that krish
21:29 -!- rubikcube [n=kvirc@dslc-082-082-091-091.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #synfig
21:29 < creek23> i have filipino-indian friends here.
21:29 < krish> rarely are girls interesting here
21:29 < krish> intellect -> 0
21:29 < creek23> oh.
21:29 < krish> most of them. i dont say all
21:29 < vince38> ooohh , how can you judge this 
21:30 < krish> chit chat, stupid gossips bah bah
21:30 < krish> no tech stuff interest
21:30 < krish> although youd find some in #indichix
21:30 < krish> er sorry wrong channel
21:31 < creek23> generally, girls don't care of tech stuff -- IT has a few females.
21:31 < vince38> i'd say theres some girls as you say evrywhere IMHO
21:31 < krish> bah i lost that channel track
21:31 < krish> vince38: i think the percentage of women in advanced countries know what "commitment" is
21:31 < vince38> krish: if we had knew before that you are a guy, we would not have help you !
21:31 < vince38> :-D
21:32 < creek23> like the way males don't care about food stuff; how food is made; what ingredient...
21:32 < krish> if thats what you are looking for in a wife
21:32 < krish> creek23: what! i care for it
21:32 < krish> i am a foooodie
21:32 < krish> vince38: oh ok
21:32  * krish creates a feminine nick for himself
21:32 < pixelbot> Mmmm... Tasty
21:32 < vince38> :)
21:33 < creek23> this bot is annoying me. :-|
21:33 < creek23> feminine
21:33 < creek23> hi
21:33 < creek23> hi all
21:33 < pixelbot> Hello creek23
21:33 < creek23> there!
21:33 < creek23> gotcha!
21:33 < krish> http://srikrishnadas.wordpress.com/2008/11/21/taste-this/
21:33 < creek23> :D
21:33 < rore> more bots than girls here
21:33 < creek23> hehe
21:33 < vince38> :-D rore , don't say any words please
21:34 < krish> there is a seperate irc server for girls
21:34 < krish> for linuxchix throughout the world
21:34 < krish> i dont remember the server name, but the channel on that server is #indichix
21:34 < krish> ^indian girls that is
21:34 < creek23> rore sounded like a bot tho :DDD
21:34  * krish zips his mouth
21:35 < vince38> 8-)
21:35  * rore throws a brick at creek23 
21:35  * creek23 docks -- err, ducks -- err, whichever
21:35  * creek23 still got hit.
21:36 < creek23> ouch!
21:36 < creek23> hi all
21:36 < pixelbot> Hello creek23
21:36 < creek23> ahaha!
21:36  * rore kicks pixelbot 
21:36 < pixelbot> Ow!
21:37 < krish> which language is synfig written in?
21:38 < rubikcube> this is the weirdest day in this channel...
21:38 < krish> why?
21:39 < rore> c++ 
21:40 < rore> and I find the "day" pretty normal so far. Except there's was more user-support and penguins than before.
21:40 < rubikcube> people talking about girls.. on the internet :)
21:40 < vince38> :)
21:40 < rubikcube> but I just joined 10 minutes ago, no idea what teh rest of the day was like ;)
21:41 < krish> heh
21:41  * krish points all fingers at creek23
21:41 < vince38> well it's time for alcohol here , a good 45? calva will make it
21:42 < rore> girls, booze, OMG, where is this channel going?
21:42 < vince38> :-D
21:42 < vince38> what means booze
21:43 < rore> slang term for alcohol, if I'm correct
21:44 < vince38> you are , very correct.....for a girl
21:44 < vince38> O:-)  ok i zip my mouth too
21:44  * rore throws a brick at vince38 too, and breaks his bottle of calva
21:44 < rore> (nanan?reuh)
21:44 < vince38> enfoir?e !
21:45 < rore> (toujours taper o? ?a fait mal :] )
21:45 < rore> ok, enough french jokes :)
21:47  * creek23 hides
21:47 < vince38> yes all this mess is your fault creek23
21:48 < creek23> you pointed out about wifeys first
21:48 < vince38> :-D true , will never do it again
21:49 < creek23> how about girl penguin.
21:49  * creek23 hides again. :D
21:49 < vince38> yea , with a long skirt , hippie style
21:50 < creek23> nah, make it short. :P
21:52 < creek23> me bubbles is doin fine now. -- just so you would know ;-)
21:52 < vince38> link ?
21:53 < creek23> when is pixelgeek usually online. -- only he can understand the windows compiling technicality -- i assume.
21:53 < creek23> for bubbles. not yet "completely" done.
21:53 < creek23> still to animate 3 more. -- this is where a script should have been handy.
21:54 < vince38> you lazy
21:54 < creek23> btw, can i copy and paste the animation for an object to another object?
21:54 < creek23> nah, i'm fine-tuning the bubble movement to look somewhat believable.
21:55 < rore> I suppose that exporting some values (coordinates of a bubble) and linking them to another bubble would work. 
21:55 < vince38> creek23: interesting question for me, share the answer please when you'll have it :)
21:56 < rore> But I'm not an expert in the exporting-value-stuff, although this is the most interesting feature of synfig
21:56 < creek23> rore: how exactly?
21:56 < creek23> [05:15] <rore> and I find the "day" pretty normal so far. Except there's was more user-support and penguins than before.
21:56 < rore> genete? Oh darn, he's not here, *he's* an expert in those kind of things
21:57 < vince38> lol creek23
21:57 < vince38> rore is a girl creek23....
21:57 < creek23> the "more user-support" -- i find that true; this day. :D
21:57 < creek23> oh.
21:58 -!- wall[e] [n=daviss@58.64.112.97] has joined #synfig
21:58 < creek23> so i've suspected --- from the "Done with Synfig" contest :D
21:58 < vince38> ok rore , bad joke, i apologise
21:58 < creek23> hi wall e
21:58 < wall[e]> hi creek23 
21:58 < creek23> ...
21:58 < creek23> hi all
21:58 < pixelbot> Hello creek23
21:58 < creek23> there again!
21:59 < rore> For the "user-support", that's more "how do I do this kind of animation?" instead of "how do I compile?" or "is this feature possible?" 
21:59 < creek23> LOL
21:59 < rore> 'llo wall[e] 
21:59 < wall[e]> hi rore :)
21:59 < creek23> walle sounded like bot too. :DDD
21:59 < wall[e]> hi creek23 :)
21:59 < vince38> :-D
21:59 < creek23> there again.
22:00 < creek23> hi vince
22:00 < creek23> anyway back to support:
22:00 < creek23> so developers are really on their own?
22:01 < creek23> *i mean coder wanting to contribute but doesnt know where to start.
22:01 < rore> hm, I think we can say that. Although now there's some documentation about coding in the wiki 
22:01 < vince38> may be you just have to wait for the good persons too
22:02 < creek23> rore: which 'was' helpful since most of the software was outdated.
22:02 < creek23> yet the source code uses stuff like gettext etc.
22:02 < rore> was? I'm refering to recent documentation 
22:04 < creek23> yes, but the "building" docs for windows aren't -- tho i'm helping update it while i try to finally compile it on my windows box.
22:04 < creek23> i think i've edited it more than 20 times. tho most of the edits are for better reading -- like formats; highlights etc. ;-)
22:05 < creek23> dooglus is the main guy right?
22:05 < rore> ah, 'k. Well, even if you don't succeed in compiling, updating the docs with your progress will be an improvement. 
22:07  * rore is lucky not to use Windows 
22:08 < krish> neither is krish :P
22:08  * creek23 got ubuntu tho
22:08  * krish got suse
22:08  * rore debian
22:08 < creek23> and pixelbot says hi
22:08 < creek23> hi all
22:08 < pixelbot> Hello creek23
22:08 < creek23> there.
22:08 < creek23> :D
22:09 < vince38> :-D
22:09 < rore> hush
22:09 < creek23> and vince?
22:09 < vince38> Xubuntu abd debian
22:09 < vince38> and*
22:09 < rore> vince is calvanux, a very hard "flavor" :]
22:09 < creek23> oh. yah you mentioned it earlier.
22:09 < vince38> :-D
22:10 < creek23> rore: hehe
22:10 < creek23> so it linuxchis, i guess.
22:10 < creek23> oh. stop that girl talk again.
22:10 < vince38> i've been in Normandie for noel , that's why i taste calva now
22:10  * creek23 zips mouth. :-|
22:11 < rore> what is fun with alcohols like Calvados is that you can make "duck" in them, and tadaaaa.. we're back to synfig talk. 
22:11  * creek23 cracks his stupid fingers typing wrongly and excessively :)
22:11 < krish> linking 2 bline figures:   click on origin of one, then right click on duck of other and link?
22:12 < krish> not working hehe
22:12 < creek23> and nothing works. :D
22:12 < vince38> krish: inmho, you must links all ducks
22:12  * creek23 goes back figuring out synfig+windows compiling
22:13 < vince38> rore: your brain work good ! :-D
22:14 < rore> krish: click, then ctrl+click so you have both selected, not only the 2nd one, and then Link
22:15 < krish> heh it maked them both disappear
22:15 < vince38> yea, suse effect
22:18 < rore> hm, I remember having problems with ducks not going where I want when I linked them, but not dissapearing. Weid.
22:18 < rore> +r
22:19 < krish> may be I am too tired
22:19 < krish> 2:51am here
22:19 < vince38> ouch
22:19 < wall[e]> 4:21am
22:20 < wall[e]> O_o
22:20 < vince38> do you sleep somtimes guys ?
22:20 < wall[e]> actually i just woke up
22:20 < vince38> oh
22:20 < creek23> 6AM here
22:20 < krish> i'll take a small nap
22:21 < krish> brb
22:21 < vince38> bye krish
22:21 < creek23> nyty nyty :D
22:21 < krish> bye
22:21 < creek23> dont dream girls.
22:21 < wall[e]> where on earth is 6am now?
22:21 < creek23> okay?
22:21 < creek23> philippines, west australia.
22:22 < creek23> hongkong, taiwan.
22:22 < krish> creek23: my gf will kick my arse if I do
22:22 < wall[e]> cool
22:22 < creek23> heh
22:22 -!- genete [n=carlos@79.108.35.41.dyn.user.ono.com] has joined #synfig
22:22 < krish> anyway bye now
22:22 < krish> ciao
22:22 < creek23> ciao romano.
22:22 < vince38> :-D
22:22 < vince38> you looks like a funny guy creek23
22:23 < creek23> my friend does tell differently.
22:23 < vince38> :)
22:23  * wall[e] don't expect to see any funny guy on gnu/linux system
22:23 < creek23> rms is funny.
22:24 < vince38> at 6am here you look funny to me
22:24 < creek23> you saw him dance the superman?
22:24 < wall[e]> he's an ass to some others :)
22:24 < wall[e]> no, video?
22:24  * wall[e] checks youtube
22:24 < creek23> vince: i woke up 11PM
22:24 < vince38> jesus
22:25 < creek23> RMS doing the souljaboy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7C6r6fG4k40
22:25 < wall[e]> lol
22:25 < creek23> vince: i sleep around 7PM... err more like nap. :D
22:30  * creek23 feels lame; Overwork, Silent Killer in Japan: http://ph.news.yahoo.com/afp/20090111/tls-finance-economy-japan-health-psychol-aeafa1b.html
22:30 -!- prokoudine_ [n=avp@217.118.66.66] has joined #synfig
22:30 < vince38> creek23: what is the day for you now , monday ? 
22:30 < creek23> yup
22:30 < creek23> 12
22:31 < vince38> oh , i just see those japanes guys as completely crazy
22:32 < creek23> not with their Asimo.
22:32 < wall[e]> are you from phillipines?
22:32 < creek23> yup.
22:32 < vince38> Asimo ?
22:32 < creek23> the first walking robot.
22:32 < wall[e]> any blender commune out there?
22:32 < creek23> there is.
22:33 < creek23> www.pinoyblender.com
22:33 < wall[e]> trying to start one here (.th), hardly
22:33 < creek23> pinoy is like a slang of Pilipino.
22:33 < wall[e]> most people decided to pirate maya and max instead.
22:33 < wall[e]> thx
22:35 < genete> I agree with rubikcube: My mind is completely messed up with penguins, bubbles and not reversible gradients... rore, have you got some chocolate for me? I need some glucose to my brain... ;)
22:36 < vince38> :-D
22:36 < creek23> :D
22:36  * rubikcube had some chocolate already today.. fortunately :)
22:37  * rore sends some chocolates with caffeine to genete ;)
22:37 < creek23> wall[e]: im also pursuing a FOSS group (in my province) all of them use unauthorized copies of proprietary software.
22:38 < creek23> tip #1: don't discuss technicality of the software
22:38 < creek23> tip #2: don't say "use this, it's free"
22:38 < wall[e]> good tips!
22:38 < creek23> tip #3: lure them to using FOSS by showing them outoputs of FOSS.
22:38 < vince38> FOSS ??
22:39 < creek23> free and opensource software.
22:39 < genete> and there are exactly four bots here... Aaahhh I miss Dyloxin! 
22:39 < wall[e]> free & open source software, another version is floss as l in libre.
22:39 < creek23> so like vince said, more bots than girls -- which i assume counts to just "1"?
22:39 < wall[e]> creek23: yes, must spend most of the time explaining why free doesn't mean suck.
22:39 < vince38> oh then my LUG is more a FOSS 
22:40  * genete thanks rore and envies rubikcube
22:40 < creek23> wall[e]: that's like a technical blah-blah to them.
22:40 < rubikcube> and why care about those people?
22:40  * wall[e] nods.
22:40 < rore> vince38: a FOSS-UG then :)
22:40 < creek23> LUG is a user-group.
22:41 < creek23> and to give respect to the founder of this FOSS, it should be GLUG -- GNU Linux User Group
22:41 < wall[e]> well, we are poor and we don't have time to discuss things rather finding enough money to live on.
22:41 < creek23> same here.
22:42 < creek23> my FOSS project is self-funded.
22:42 < creek23> from work using a proprietary software -- licensed copy, that is.
22:42 < creek23> funny irony eh?
22:42 < wall[e]> :)
22:43 < rubikcube> :) as long as it works, why not?
22:43  * wall[e] must get an outsourcing job to live only with free software.
22:44 < creek23> well, im trying to believe in a "dream" of having-FOSS-and-no-proprietary-software world.
22:44  * creek23 is somewhat like that.
22:44 < wall[e]> hehe count me in
22:44  * creek23 works as Flash game developer for an Indian gaming company.
22:44 < wall[e]> cool.
22:45 < vince38> :) dream of both , FOSS and licensed world , and it's reality
22:45 < rubikcube> There really exist people who are paid for that? Cool! :D
22:45 < creek23> yep, it's reality -- not dream
22:45 < creek23> rubikcube: paid for what?
22:45 < vince38> heyy creek23 i saw something on tv about indian company, ppl that work in, waow, that was weird
22:46 < rubikcube> And how do they make money? I can't imagine that really pays...
22:46 < rubikcube> making flash games
22:46 < wall[e]> ads world?
22:46 < creek23> they get profit from advertisements on their flash game website.
22:46 < rubikcube> must be because of Firefox's Adblock that I can't imagine that ;)
22:47 < rubikcube> and even with ads, I didn't think it was more than for maybe one person to live on
22:47 < creek23> study shows that most people (gamers) simply wait for "cracks" and play the game they want.
22:47 < rubikcube> but I'm always happy to learn new stuff ;)
22:47 < creek23> no adblocks can block ads from inside Flash.
22:47  * wall[e] lives with <200 usd/month here.
22:48 < rubikcube> you mean the ads before most flash games?
22:48 < creek23> luckily, US$340 here.
22:48 < wall[e]> :)
22:48 < creek23> rubikcube: yep
22:49 < vince38> wall[e]: how much is it to rent a flat per month
22:49 < creek23> wall[e]: tho i started making few buck from simple ads design using GIMP. cool eh?
22:49 < wall[e]> vince38: ~100 or less
22:49 < rubikcube> here those ads usually only link to other flasg game sites ;)
22:49 < creek23> its around 120 here.
22:50 < creek23> rubikcube: yep, that counts: it builds high traffic.
22:50 < vince38> around 400 here ,
22:50 < wall[e]> creek23: cool, it's getting better here with blender job i got from holland, but it's not static.
22:50 < creek23> vince where "here"?
22:50 < rubikcube> creek23: so game site A links to site B and vice versa, and then they both get paid by the ads that are around the flash content?
22:50 < vince38> in france
22:51 < vince38> for small house , 
22:51 < wall[e]> (that's 75 euro/week if i got a job that week)
22:51 < vince38> in countryside
22:51 < creek23> rubikcube: somehow, yes. this makes them searchable -- SEO
22:53 < creek23> honestly, the great thing about Flash is that: making games/animation is faster than any other platform. if only making animations on Synfig will be a bit fast if not faster.
22:53 < rubikcube> ok, still a strange world for me, but as long as it works, it's ok...
22:53 < wall[e]> java mobile game is kinda popular here too.
22:53 < creek23> with Ming around, Synfig could be able to export Flash animation.
22:54 < creek23> java games sells at only $1 -- and 3 per $2... :DDD
22:54 < vince38> where are you from rubikcube , if i can ask
22:55 < rubikcube> germany
22:55 < wall[e]> same here
22:55 < creek23> rubikcube: maybe that's why it's called a dream -- cause it only happens in dreams. :)
22:55 < rubikcube> :)
22:55  * wall[e] tried writing java once and gave up
22:56  * creek23 too
22:56 < creek23> problem with FOSS is that, it's too developer oriented design... making users adjust -- not the other way around.
22:57 < rore> it depends on the projects
22:57 < creek23> which kind of project?
22:58 < wall[e]> some projects that just try to mimick a proprietary version?
22:58 < creek23> i believe so.
22:58 < rore> well, I think Blender is an example of something that relies a lot on user input. But maybe it's not easy to notice it at 1st, because they rely on *experienced* user input, mostly. So new users are still confused :)
22:59 < creek23> that, I agree.
22:59 < rore> OTOH gnome want to make things simple for every user even the new users. They end up making things too simple for most users :)
22:59 < creek23> but using a 3DSMax Trial and using blender, it's just too complicated for blender...
23:00 < prokoudine_> rore: do you really know most users? wow! :-P
23:01 < creek23> i tried another FOSS 3D app, ArtOfIllusion... works great for beginners.
23:01 < creek23> made an animation easily:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPLPQN57hk0
23:01 < rore> prokoudine_: no, thankfully ;) Let's say I heard complains (and some seemed justified. Not all)
23:01 < wall[e]> blender is my first 3d app and i have had hard time trying to understand maya and max interfaces.
23:02 < prokoudine_> rore: well, I can complain about KDE to no end :) does it really mean something? :)
23:02 < prokoudine_> rore: we are all different, thanks god we have choice :)
23:04 < rore> yes, hehe :) That's what most people complaining forgot I suppose :) 
23:04 < rubikcube> prokoudine: but probably you don't complain aboyt KDE having too few tweaking possibilities
23:06 < prokoudine_> rubikcube: do you use FontForge?
23:06 < rore> creek23: interesting to see you say that AOI is good for beginners. I think my mind is completely Blender-oriented, I never managed to understand AOI.
23:08 < creek23> prokoudine: i do. -- i mean, i did.
23:09 < creek23> rore: maybe it's just that, 90% of the computerist population use windows -- tho most don't use authorize copies... so,
23:10 < prokoudine_> creek23: the current version now has an GUI for editing X resource file where FF stores its UI settings
23:10 < creek23> this people tend to be oriented to apps that is on windows: this means major apps playing in thier own field
23:10 < prokoudine_> creek23: you should have seen this dialog
23:10 < prokoudine_> creek23: KDE is nowhere close with its options :)
23:11 < creek23> oh.
23:11 < vince38> creek23: for unauthorize copy of windows, your percentage is wrong in france i think , less than that
23:11 < rubikcube> prokoudine: I only used it once because I needed a font with missing Umlaut dots. 
23:11 < creek23> vince: which is the most accurate estimation?
23:12 < rubikcube> prokoudine: And I never felt so lost in a program :)
23:12 < prokoudine_> rubikcube: :))
23:12 < creek23> prokoudine: i used it to make my own font of a proprietary font. :D
23:12 < vince38> creek23: can't say, but to me , most of the "new" windows comp users here in france have a legal copy 
23:12 < rore> hmm.... I tried to use fontforge once, but never managed to go past the 1st letter creation. But this is the kind of software that seems to have lot of options, yes. And I felt completely lost too :)
23:13 < creek23> yep, that's one problem: and the good thing for Canonical to join with laptop manufacturers like Dell
23:14 < wall[e]> font shouldn't be made without clue, especially screen font, so may be i guess it's ok to have font app harder to use? :)
23:14 < rore> vince38: yep, but after that they install some 3Dsmax and co., and often that's not the legal version
23:14 < rore> wall[e]: ahaha, I like the concept of selective software :)
23:15 < wall[e]> :)
23:15 < wall[e]> of course you are a blender user! :)
23:16 < rore> well, blender is easy when you have the right tutorials to start. And nowadays there's a huge amount of tutorials and documentation. 
23:16  * wall[e] nods.
23:17 < wall[e]> look forward to 2.5's user interface, still :)
23:17 < wall[e]> hopefully less complaints.
23:18 < wall[e]> i wish we have some decent blender users like .ph :/
23:18 < rore> exactly :) 2.5 was fun anyway ^^
23:19 < wall[e]> should there be some ASEAN blender user group :)
23:19 < creek23> vince: it's really an irony that people from europe use windows yet accdg to my FOSS website stats, most of my visitors come from europe.
23:19 < rore> oh wait, you're saying 2.50 I suppose (but people call it 2.5, but 2.5 is the old old old version)
23:20 < wall[e]> rore: yes 2.50 :)
23:20 < wall[e]> there's blender 2.5?
23:21 < creek23> i have 2.46... is that old :P
23:21 < vince38> creek23: i don't understand , what do they look for on yur foss website ? and what is their OS ?
23:22 < wall[e]> creek23: your aoi work looks interesting, do you have a portfolio?
23:22 < rore> hmm, I'm even confusing with blender 2.25, I don't think I've known blender 2.5, that was really too old. (To give you an idea, blender 2.25 is from 2002)
23:22 < creek23> basing from the visitors coming from europe. it gives me the impression that europe support FOSS than any other place in the world.
23:22  * wall[e] nods.
23:22 < rubikcube> creek23: http://www.konsolscript.co.nr ?
23:23 < vince38> oh , because there's more comp users
23:23 < creek23> hoe'd you know? yep but it's http://www4.clustrmaps.com/counter/index2.php?url=http://konsolscript.sourceforge.net
23:23 < rubikcube> and because FOSS _is_ supported by some developments, and many FOSS projects started in universities
23:23 < rubikcube> s/developments/governments/
23:25  * wall[e] wants to write a local article about blender usage in 3d industry in asean and pass it to the prime minister
23:27 < creek23> wall[e]: how about synfig? ;-)
23:27 < wall[e]> creek23: honestly? it will eventually get killed by blender ;-)
23:27 < wall[e]> j/k well..
23:27 < creek23> 2D animation? blender? really?
23:28 < wall[e]> yes, they are starting on 2D view thing
23:28 < creek23> 2D vector?
23:28 < wall[e]> blender replaces my gimp for a while too.
23:28 < prokoudine_> it's like saying that Pixar will kill anime
23:28 < wall[e]> yes
23:28 < rore> blender can make anything. Even an irc chat client. Even coffee. Ermm... maybe not coffee.
23:28 < wall[e]> prokoudine, well, i did not seriously mean that.
23:28 < wall[e]> blender is the next emacs
23:28 < prokoudine_> wall[e]: :)
23:29 < rore> wall[e] + 1 :D
23:29 < prokoudine_> rore: but will it blend?
23:29 < prokoudine_> :)
23:29 < wall[e]> but not that you shouldn't be warned
23:29 < rore> prokoudine: hehe, good one :)
23:29 < prokoudine_> rore: old one :)
23:30 < wall[e]> blender will certainly do any animation thing and it's very actively developed, once its 2d engine is more improved it will easily get into any animation workflow..
23:30 < prokoudine_> rore: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_It_Blend%3F
23:31  * rore needs to finish the "blending life" challenge. I know the due date what somewhere in december, I'm just *a little* late, hehehe
23:31 < wall[e]> rore: i wasn't free enough to finish my blending life :/
23:32 < wall[e]> end up coding things instead, too bad.
23:32 < rore> well, you can finish it later :) I think that's what I do. The challenge allowed me to do a good start
23:33 < wall[e]> :)
23:33 < wall[e]> i hope so too.
23:40 < creek23> "will it blend?" LOL
23:40 < creek23> they really had to put stuff on it, except for their hands :D
23:41 < wall[e]> i used to like that show
23:41 < wall[e]> end up watching them too much and was so fed up.
23:53 < creek23> :D
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