--- Log opened Mon Jan 12 00:00:09 2009
00:03 < wall[e]> creek23: are there any blender related dev like script or plugins in .ph?
00:08 < creek23> nope. they use whats available in blendernation
00:08  * wall[e] nods. seeing some bge users on the site, looks interesting.
00:18 < creek23> wall[e]: which site?
00:18 < wall[e]> pinoyblender
00:18 < creek23> i see.
00:23 < vince38> i'm reading that http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=194  , does someone know if pixegeek finished the animation ?
00:25 < genete> vince38: last news form him was that he was fighting with a virus in his computer. So I think that the animation is secondary now
00:26 < rore> last news from him, he managed to get rid of the virus, doesn't he?
00:26 < vince38> thx. i like very much the way he draw
00:27 < genete> do you know something about him pixelbot? 
00:27 < vince38> oh, he muist be a window's user then....
00:27 < rore> I missed that scene from  him, that's a nice one. But it looks like he's as easily distracted as I am :D
00:27 < prokoudine_> oh, viruses
00:27 < vince38> ahah i feel the same about me
00:27 < prokoudine_> yet people keep using win
00:27 < genete> anyone with synfig available right now? I need to confirm a bug
00:28 < rore> I don't have a recent build, will it work?
00:28 < rore> (ARGH... my "street scene" is over 1 year old, without improvements. Oops)
00:28 < genete> it is import image related. If it is not reproducible it is a good new
00:29 < rore> I can try, what should I try to import?
00:29 < genete> import an image and press the refresh button repetitively 
00:29 < genete> I am having corruption in the image
00:30 < rore> refresh doesn't seem to change the image at all. (I clicked a lot of times :) )
00:31 < genete> wtf! I cannot repeat it!
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00:32 < genete> it happens with one photo only by the moment
00:32 < genete> the photo is a png
00:32 < genete> maybe that's the difference
00:33 < genete> because I cannot reproduce it with the jpeg
00:33 < rore> I tried with a png and a jpg, but they were both small files
00:34 < genete> http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/Genete/synfig/Pantallazo-6.png
00:34 < creek23> try large JPG.
00:34 < creek23> inkscape has it too.
00:34 < creek23> * the bug
00:34 < genete> like that?
00:34 < creek23> yep.
00:34 < genete> but that image is very small
00:34 < creek23> but i havent seen it in synfig btw.
00:34 < creek23> og.
00:35 < creek23> oh.
00:35 < genete> 247kb only
00:35 < creek23> ahem, and who's on the pic?
00:35 < genete> and it appears when refresh or zoom in etc. Randomly
00:36 < genete> my GF
00:36 < wall[e]> can you transform path with 3d matrix in synfig?
00:36 < creek23> on the screenshot. check the navigation panel
00:36 < wall[e]> (just wonder)
00:36 < rore> (everything still appear ok even with a rather large png here)
00:36 < creek23> *navegador in yours :D
00:36 < genete> I'll check it with an old build
00:37 < creek23> im using the old build too -- since i keep having build problems. :D
00:39 < creek23> nope. no problemo here.
00:39  * rore going to sleep, good night (or day) everyone
00:39 < genete> night
00:39 < genete> I'm scared that it can be a ram problem and not a synfig one
00:40  * rore votes for a ubuntu lib problem
00:40 < genete> maybe
00:40 < creek23> oops. I did have a "Unable to import"
00:41 < creek23> rore: day :D
00:41 < genete> but I've not seen that before ubuntu 8.10
00:41 < pixelbot> For information on Synfig on Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex see http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=277
00:41 < creek23> ubuntu 8.10 is what i have
00:41 < pixelbot> For information on Synfig on Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex see http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=277
00:41 < creek23> there!
00:41 < creek23> :D
00:42 < rubikcube> oh, you said the magic 8 10 numbers :)
00:43 < genete> yes, I say interpidly those magic numbers
00:43 < genete> ha!
00:43 < rubikcube> you meant intrepidly?
00:43 < pixelbot> For information on Synfig on Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex see http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=277
00:43 < genete> yes
00:43 < genete> one of my common typos :)
00:45 < genete> it is curious, importing the image in a new file stops the problem
00:46 < genete> in that document
00:46 < genete> but not in the original
00:47 < genete> weird weird weird
00:55 < creek23> RAM :D
00:55 < genete> nope
00:55 < genete> because I cannot reproduce it with a new fresh file
00:56 < genete> and only when I open the saved one
00:58 < genete> it starts to happen when I modify the gamma parameter
01:01 < genete> setting gamma to anything than 1.0 makes it appears the noise
01:02 < genete> beautiful bug I have found :)
01:06 < vince38> i go to bed, see you nice ppl ! :)
01:06 < genete> night
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01:15 < Zonbidesu> Hello
01:15 < Zonbidesu> Any updates on the Mac status of Synfig?
01:15 < Zonbidesu> And/or anyone here? xD
01:16 < genete> hi Zonbidesu
01:16 < Zonbidesu> Hello
01:16 < genete> latest news are in the bug report I think
01:16 < Zonbidesu> Is there a working binary for a mac version of Synfig yet?
01:16 < Zonbidesu> Hrm
01:16 < Zonbidesu> I didn't see anything there from this year even >_<
01:16 < Zonbidesu> and no help on it
01:17 < genete> there are build instructions though. I know that someone has built it
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01:24 < Zonbidesu> Huhm
01:24 < genete> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1686495&group_id=144022&atid=757416
01:24 < Zonbidesu> Could you give me a link?
01:24 < genete> there is
01:24 < Zonbidesu> haha thanks
01:24 < genete> :)
01:24 < genete> http://synfig.org/Building_On_Mac_OS_X
01:26 < Zonbidesu> Yeah
01:26 < Zonbidesu> Macports can do funny things to a computer
01:26 < Zonbidesu> :(
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03:07 < pabs3> whoa, that was a webose evening
03:07 < pabs3> er, verbose
03:29  * pabs3 wonders if folks know the channel is publically logged in several places
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03:56 < pixelgeek> Whew - just got through reading the logs.  
03:56 < pixelgeek> 30 mins after logging on.  
03:56 < pixelgeek> BTW - I'm Back!!!!  
03:56 < pixelgeek> Anyone miss me?  
03:57 < pabs3> yo pixelgeek :)
03:57 < pabs3> we did!
03:57 < pixelgeek> hey pabs
03:57 < pixelgeek> Aw...
03:57 < pabs3> killed off the virus?
03:57 < pixelgeek> I've learnt a lot about the state of the art virus/trojan anti malware tools....
03:57 < pixelgeek> I think so.  
03:58 < AkhIL> bixelbot, who is your boss?
03:58 < pixelgeek> All the files that were created after it hit have been deleted. 
03:58 < pixelgeek> Avast gives me a clean bill of health
03:58 < AkhIL> pixelgeek, which engine uses pixelbot?
03:58 < pixelgeek> I don't see any strange processes running
03:59 < pixelgeek> AkhIL: He's running on mIrc
03:59 < pixelgeek> Mircstorm to be specific.
04:00 < pixelgeek> Looks like I missed all the entertainment here today.  
04:00 < pixelgeek> But the good news is - with all my housekeeping I now have an extra 40G of HD space freed up.  
04:00 < pabs3> nice :D
04:01 < pixelgeek> Yes, I kept having to shuffle stuff around with less than 10G
04:02 < pixelgeek> The fewer files you have on your HD, the quicker the virus scans run :)
04:04 < pixelgeek> creek23 - for what it's worth - I recommend compiling with GTK 2.10.11, 'cos I know that works.  Then once you have that working, upgrading GTK....
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04:28 < pabs3> KiBi, rore: got a pointer to that fr.ISO... crash, if you could take a look, that would be good: http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=327&p=2049#p2049
04:29 < pabs3> looks fairly easy to fix, I just don't have time for a couple of weeks
04:34 < KiBi> pabs3: I'll do
04:34 < KiBi> not sure I have commit rights upstream, but I can hand it over to someone who has
04:35 < KiBi> but I sure can test that
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04:46 < krish> any example video of using a sketch drawn figure animation?
05:01 < pabs3> KiBi: great, thanks
05:01 < pabs3> krish: sketch drawn?
05:01 < krish> pabs3: yes
05:02 < pabs3> not sure what you mean by 'sketch drawn'
05:02 < krish> pabs3: I am trying to draw a character
05:02 < krish> what are the different ways?
05:02 < krish> bline tool
05:02 < krish> or?
05:03 < pabs3> draw tool or bline tool
05:04 < pabs3> sketch tool is just for sketching, it doesn't add anything to your canvas
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05:05 < pabs3> I would love to see the sketch tool turned into something like ILoveSketch and do away with the current sketch stuff, cus it is kinda weird
05:05 < krish> then why need sketching?
05:05 < pabs3> no idea, ask the original authors :)
05:05 < krish> refrence lines may be!
05:05 < pabs3> they created synfig as a tool for their animation studio, so there must be a reason
05:05 < pabs3> yeah
05:06 < krish> and it makes no different if i increase the brush size in sketch tool - creates same width line
05:06 < pabs3> brush size only affects layer-based tools
05:08 < pabs3> KiBi: if you'd like commit/etc rights, we'd be glad to add you :)
05:08 < krish> pabs3: i pray for the draw tool icon to be changed
05:08 < KiBi> pabs3: the less I do svn... ;)
05:08 < krish> i thought it was some kind of coloring tool 
05:09 < KiBi> pabs3: got to get back to my NMs and finish a wz game anyway
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05:19 < pabs3> krish: thats taken from http://tango.freedesktop.org/ArtLibreSet
05:19 < pabs3> KiBi: fair enough :)
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05:44 < akagogo> I'm bored (3 months of vacations) so other video with inkscape+synfig
05:44 < akagogo> http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=aEDjcTogTcY
05:47 < pabs3> hey akagogo 
05:47 < akagogo> hey I had been drawing lastly, some characters, so i wanted to play with bones
05:47 < akagogo> i dont understand git :S
05:48 < pabs3> can you upload the svg importer patch to patches.synfig.org or to the sf.net patch tracker (see synfig.org/Bugs)?
05:48 < akagogo> how i can do that?
05:49 < akagogo> username?
05:49 < akagogo> register :P
05:49 < pabs3> some info about git for folks used to svn: http://git.or.cz/course/svn.html
05:49 < pabs3> you'll need to register
05:50 < pabs3> once you've uploaded the patch somewhere (even on your own website), please post in the forum asking for people to test
05:51 < akagogo> this is for all can enjoy it xD
05:51 < pabs3> yup :)
05:54 < pabs3> heh, funny animation you did
05:55 < pabs3> oh shit, linux.conf.au is in a week. anyone have any suggestions for a synfig lightning talk if I were to do one?
05:58 < akagogo> thx, I'm finishing other animation xD, inkscape is so fast for drawing and 'vectorize'
05:58 < akagogo> btw i don't understand the new challenge
05:58 < akagogo> :D
05:59 < pabs3> I think it just means you have to use all of these in one canvas: http://synfig.org/Layer
05:59 < akagogo> interesting o.o
06:00 < pabs3> let your imagination run wild!!
06:00 < akagogo> i think that i could use all layer and then cover it with a big rectangle
06:03 < pabs3> :) true
06:03  * pabs3 giggles
06:04 < pixelgeek> Gotta see them all!  I think genete's holding out with his entry....
06:05 < pabs3> hmm, /topic needs jan challenge
06:05 < pixelgeek> it does?
06:05 < pixelgeek> What about the bit that says January challenge?
06:05 < pabs3> ahh, its toward the end, whoops
06:05 < pixelgeek> ;)
06:06 < pabs3> usually best to stick that before the news links IMO
06:06 < pixelgeek> I just edited last months.....  
06:06 < pixelgeek> hang on
06:07 -!- pixelgeek changed the topic of #synfig to: http://synfig.org/FAQ | 0.61.09 Released! http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=248 | Road Map discussion started! http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=1398 |  January challenge http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=323| News: http://synfig.org/News/2008-09-15 http://synfig.org/News/Draft | Ask your question and wait - we will answer it eventually!
06:07 < pixelgeek> Better?
06:07 < pabs3> coolio
06:08 < pixelgeek> I think I got an extra space there, but I'll fix it next month.
06:08 < pabs3> :)
06:09 < pixelgeek> genete - do you or dooglus have any idea when bones are going to roll into the main branch?  
06:10 < pixelgeek> Bedtime.  See y'all tomorrow (or later on Monday....)  
06:13 < pabs3> nite
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07:22 < KiBi> pabs3: looking into it right now
07:28 < KiBi> pabs3: I think I've got a patch, checking
07:40 < KiBi> pabs3: It no longer crashes
07:41 < KiBi> for some reasons, I have strange characters displayed during the startup, like [X] characters for the ? character, while ? is displayed properly
07:41 < KiBi> And still got a bunch of:
07:41 < KiBi> (synfigstudio:22540): Gtk-WARNING **: Invalid input string
07:42  * KiBi tries something else.
07:46 < KiBi> pabs3: http://alioth.debian.org/~kibi/tmp/main.cpp.diff ; probably ditto for src/synfigapp/main.cpp (it at least didn't break anything when I added it there)
07:48 < pabs3> that didn't break anything?
07:49 < KiBi> pabs3: Adding my patch fixed the crash, patching synfigapp's additionally didn't reintroduce it... is what I meant
07:49 < pabs3> ok
07:50 < KiBi> I tried adding --g-fatal-criticals to see what happens with (synfigstudio:26727): Pango-WARNING **: Invalid UTF-8 string passed to pango_layout_set_text()
07:50 < KiBi> but that doesn't stop when the first warning is encountered :)
07:51 < KiBi> I'll probably ask Np237 later on.
07:51 < pabs3> perhaps the 'synfig' domain needs to be bound to UTF-8 too?
07:52 < pabs3> cool
07:52 < KiBi> in synfig's sources? Probably
07:52  * KiBi tries
07:52 < pabs3> well, synfig doesn't use glib/GTK+ though
07:54 < KiBi> bind_textdomain_codeset(3) is gettext, not gnome/glib/gtk/...
07:58 < pabs3> yeah, the point is only GTK/etc seems to want UTF-8 in a non-UTF-8 locale
07:58 < pabs3> anyway I don't understand it all that well, so...
07:58 < KiBi> maybe some bits from synfig are used from studio?
07:59 < pabs3> yeah, definitely - layer names and such
07:59 < KiBi> that might explain why
07:59 < KiBi> ah, dh_install!
08:00 < pabs3> hm?
08:03 < KiBi> synfig finished building :)
08:04 < KiBi> \o/
08:05 < pabs3> :)
08:05 < KiBi> pabs3: http://alioth.debian.org/~kibi/tmp/synfig-bind_textdomain_codeset.diff for synfig -> no more pango warnings
08:06 < KiBi> oh, and tried with fr/UTF-8, still works fine.
08:06 < pabs3> with fr/ISO , does the synfig --help look sane?
08:07 < pabs3> with fr/ISO and your patch
08:08 < KiBi> http://alioth.debian.org/~kibi/tmp/synfigstudio-bind_textdomain_codeset.diff for the complete studio patch, btw
08:09 < KiBi>  LANG=fr_FR@euro synfig --help is perfect with my patch
08:09 < KiBi> didn't try without, though
08:09 < KiBi> (@euro = ISO)
08:10 < pabs3> ok, cool. will commit after food
08:11 < KiBi> I'll let you update the forum thread, too?
08:11  * KiBi gets back to work now.
08:12 < KiBi> hmm, -T in synfig is about threads, rather than processes, right?
08:15 < pabs3> IIRC it uses fork
08:15 < KiBi> rore: if you wanna check this diff: http://alioth.debian.org/~kibi/tmp/synfig_french-fixes.diff
08:15 < KiBi> oh
08:15 < KiBi> In which case, references to "threads" could go away, that's usually understood as POSIX threads.
08:31 < rore> gfsnhfr?
08:31  * rore tries to put her brain in the right way
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08:34 < rore> foutrecouille de -p1 kipu
08:40 < pabs3> http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=UtU3ekW9Nkk
08:41 < rore> hmm... KiBi - was I supposed to apply just that last patch (and if so, what is the expected improvement), or all the patches?
08:44 < KiBi> rore: only that last patch is sufficient, typos I noticed when trying synfig --help
08:44 < KiBi> rore: troubles with patch -p1?
08:46 < rore> yep. Trouble because I 1st tried with -p0  :D
08:47 < rore> (and of course the damn thing shouted error messages at me, and question like "what do you want to patch?". As if I knew, caffeine hasn't reach my brain yet)
08:48 < rore> I don't remember typos when doing synfig --help. Well, I don't remember doing synfig --help, to be honest.
08:50 < rore> ahahahha. <<  --info   *Affichier* diverses informations de compilation >> OOPS, now I see ... 
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10:02 < vince38> Hi to all :)
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10:33 < genete> morning
10:33 < vince38> hi genete
10:33 < rore> 'morning vince38 and genete 
10:34 < vince38> yes...great sunny morning :)
10:35 < genete> pixelgeek, dooglus is having internet connection problems with his old and unique working laptop. He has told me that using a borrowed windows laptop...
10:35 < genete> hey rore, vince38, and rest of people
10:35 < KiBi> poor poor poor dooglus
10:35 < KiBi> o< genete, o< vince38
10:35 < pixelbot> >o
10:35 < KiBi> o< pixelbot
10:35 < pixelbot> >o
10:35 < KiBi> you said that already!
10:36 < genete> >o KiBi
10:36 < genete> donation please!
10:36 < genete> donate pixelbot!
10:37 < genete> >:o
10:37 < genete> donate synfig
10:37  * genete kicks pixelbot
10:37 < pixelbot> Ow!
10:38 < genete> I don't know if it is good to say or not but I made a donation to him the other day. Ulrik did it already.
10:38 < pixelbot> See this webpage http://synfig.org/donations for information on donating money in support of Synfig.
10:38 < genete> late pixelbot, late
10:39 < genete> and he's at about 50% of way to be able to afford a new laptop. 
10:39 < KiBi> genete: it is bad to mention it.
10:39 < genete> kibi why?
10:40 < vince38> oh, really, he needs money ?
10:40 < KiBi> You said you didn't know whether it's good to mention it, so I'm trying to embarass you :D
10:40 < genete> :P
10:41 < KiBi> genete: speaking about absolute numbers, how much does he need?
10:41 < genete> I don't know so much about his financial situation but the fact it that his laptop is old and cannot connect to internet
10:42 < genete> KiBi: He told me to buy a Notebook (those that just connect to internet and have small HD and poor CPU) but I told him to try to collect a little more for a decent one
10:43 < KiBi> I'd say so
10:43 < genete> IIRC he has about 400 EUR in is paypal accout
10:43 < genete> divided in USD, EUR and GBP
10:44 < genete> I recommended him to spend in a range of 600-800 EUR
10:44 < genete> there are really good laptops in that range
10:45 < vince38> i agree , and can't help him, sorry , 650EUR/month here
10:47 < genete> truly guys (and girl) it is easy ask for new features but hard to implement them. dooglus is really a crack and he deserves all our support. Bones feature is about 60% of first release. Although it is functional now, it needs a better GUI to be usable for production. 
10:49 < genete> if someone want to donate him I think it is better to use its direct link in rincevent. If not, SF keeps a 5% fee what is a silly thing considering the situation
10:49 < pixelbot> See this webpage http://synfig.org/donations for information on donating money in support of Synfig.
10:51 < vince38> genete: where does he lives ?
10:52 < genete> Czech Republic. But he is from GB
10:53  * vince38 thought programmers earn a lot of money
11:00 < genete> bug confirmation needed, anyone to help me?
11:01 < genete> 1) Caret Menu>Import> select a normal png file
11:01 < vince38> still the one from last night ?
11:01 < genete> 2) Modify its gamma value
11:02 < genete> 3) zoom in/out and or refresh the render (the refresh button in the right bottom of the main window. 
11:02 < genete> yes
11:02 < vince38> gonna try
11:02 < genete> 4) it would render noise
11:03 < genete> I've seen it since svn 1200 so any one should be able to reproduce it
11:06 < vince38> mmm i'm not sure to see this here
11:06 < vince38> gonna try with another pic
11:10 < vince38> no i don't think it render noise here
11:10 < genete> vince38: are you under windows?
11:10 < vince38> no, Xubuntu 8.04
11:11 < genete> Hmm
11:11 < genete> I'll try in my old computer. Maybe it is a libraries problem like rore said
11:12 < vince38> yes, i have no clue 
11:21 < genete> the old computer doesn't reproduce it :(
11:22 < vince38> so, good news for synfig , and bad one for you :-(
11:22 < genete> not sure because I don't believe it were memory corruption
11:23 < genete> because it would happen in any situation
11:23 < vince38> so software problem ?
11:23 < genete> and not specifically with imported images only
11:23 < genete> I thinkn it is a libraries problem
11:24 < vince38> you are using ubuntu 8.10 ?
11:24 < pixelbot> For information on Synfig on Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex see http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=277
11:24 < genete> because all the builds I have in my computer are done with the libraries I have in ubuntu 8 - 10
11:24 < genete> yes
11:26 < vince38> do you have an amd proc genete ?
11:26 < genete> no, intel
11:27 < vince38> ok , im looking for someone using a k7 kernel with ubuntu
11:27 < genete> k7? Athlon?
11:27 < vince38> yes
11:28 < genete> I have an Athlon XP 2000+ in the old computer :)
11:28 < genete> with ubuntu 6.10 there :-P
11:28 < vince38> using a k7 kernel ?
11:28 < genete> let me check
11:30 < vince38> because i'd like to use the k7 settings , i've check it in synaptic, but when i do uname -r , it give me genric kernel , i wonder if it's normal or if i shd have k7 written here
11:30 < vince38> theres no k7 in my grub menu list
11:36 < genete> I've broken samba connection to my old computer :/
11:37 < vince38> oh, thx anyway
11:37 < genete> I obtain a generic one when type uname -a in a terminal
11:38 < genete> and don't remember now what do I have in the grub menu
11:39 < vince38> i wonder if this linux-k7 package works , or how it works
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11:54 < AkhIL> athlon xp 2000+ not so old computer
11:54 < AkhIL> my athlon xp 2500+ runs lates gOS gadgets
11:57 < vince38> we did not said it was old or so...:) , what i like is the good overclok possibilities
11:58 < genete> my cpu fan is very broken. It makes a lot of noise and the CPU gets 70 deg easily
11:59 < vince38> ...in summer my usual temp is between 70 and 80?...
12:07  * AkhIL uses sonictower by termaltake
12:07 < AkhIL> and 12cm fan
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12:53 < wall[e]> Zelgadis: hi!
12:54 < Zelgadis> Hey, wall[e]!
13:00 < wall[e]> :)
13:00 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: http://morevnaproject.org/wiki/Scenes/Demo/09
13:01 < wall[e]> will check thanks!
13:01 < wall[e]> nice!
13:04 < wall[e]> my job is quite stable now, but it only gives me time on weekends
13:04 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: that's a good news!
13:05 < wall[e]> is Nikolay irc too?
13:06 < wall[e]> (in the channel)
13:08 < Zelgadis> wall[e]:  No he's not here. 
13:08 < Zelgadis> He doesn't know English.
13:08  * wall[e] nods.
13:08 < wall[e]> ah i see.
13:10 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: So you don't have much free time now?
13:11 < wall[e]> i'm still working now, a blender job
13:11 < wall[e]> but i'll be free in 6h
13:11 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: Sorry, I meant not "now", but "nearest time" ^_^''
13:12 < wall[e]> ah ok, i'll be quite free on weekends.
13:13 < wall[e]> and since i don't have personal life so i'll free for the projects on weekends :)
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13:39 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: So it's OK if I'll try to find you here this weekend? ^_^
13:39 < wall[e]> sure, i am not certain for timing but i'll let you know
13:40 < wall[e]> i need to finish a bunch of code this week, may take a whole day on Sat, in that case i'll be free on Sun
13:50 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: Ok, thanks. I will watch the logs.
13:50 < Zelgadis> Gotta go
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13:50 < wall[e]> later!
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14:16 < vince38> How can i delete something made with the drawing tool ..???
14:20 < rore> at the bottom of the tool option, there's a "Clear sketch" button (a broom icon, here)
14:21 < vince38> oh yes , never saw that thx
14:24 < vince38> rore: do you use a drawing tablet ?
14:25 < rore> no
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15:28 < djedai> Hi,genete^_^
15:28 < djedai> Hi,Zelgadis^_^
15:28 < Zelgadis> Hi, djedai 
15:28 < genete> hi djedai, are you from Morevna's project?
15:29 < Zelgadis> Hey, genete! ^_^
15:29 < genete> hey Zelgadis
15:30 < djedai> Yes
15:30 < djedai> I am Ivashka^_^
15:35 < wall[e]> hi djedai :)
15:36 < djedai> hi wall[e]
15:37 < djedai> my english badly^_^
15:39 < Zelgadis> ????? ????????? ????? ???????? - VobSub
15:39 < Zelgadis> ??? ????????? VLC-Player
15:40 < Zelgadis> ??, ?? ?? ????????
15:40 < Zelgadis> ??????? gmplayer
15:41 < Zelgadis> Oops...
15:42 < Zelgadis> Wrong window ^_^''
15:44 < wall[e]> djedai, Zelgadis :)
15:45 < djedai> ^_^
15:49 < wall[e]> after morevna someone should start a h-anime
15:50 < Zelgadis> wall[e]: Ha-ha... Considering, what all morevna sources will be available under CC...
15:50 < wall[e]> h-dojin morevna!
15:50 < Zelgadis> Still it's a long way to go.
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15:52  * wall[e] nods.
15:52 < Zelgadis> Interesting stuff here to help distribute synfig: http://autopackage.org/
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17:14 < KiBi> bleh, autopackage
17:21 < krish> howd i draw borders to my figures?
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17:32 < rore> the "same" way you fill a border. (that is: add an Outline layer, then link it to the region. Off course it's better if you remember to tick the right box so you create borders and regions at the same time)
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17:34 < krish> rore: with the draw tool
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17:37 < Ivashka> Hi
17:39 < krish> hi
17:41 < Ivashka> ^_^
17:45  * rore only has a BLine tool, no "draw" tool 
17:46 < krish> rore: heh synfig crashed
17:46 < rore> not my fault /o\ :D
17:47 < krish> Jan 12 22:17:50 blackbeauty kernel: synfigstudio[3220]: segfault at 11 ip 00000011 sp bfcfa33c error 4 in synfigstudio[8048000+5c2000]
17:52 < krish> when the control is on some other dock and I press delete key to remove some parameter, it deletes the layer
17:53 < krish> can use backspace, but i keep forgetting resulting in accidental deletion of my layers so many times lol
17:53 < krish> :P
17:55 < rore> yes, there was a recent quick fix for that (a change in the shortcut, so that del doesn't delete the layer anymore)
17:57 < krish> good to know :)
17:58 < krish> whoever did that is my savior
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18:00 < krish> rore: 6 hours of work ( first work with synfig ) http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/7990/tuxth2.jpg
18:01 < krish> ^ its just drawing till now.. no idea how to animate it lol
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18:01 < pixelgeek> krish - very cute!
18:02 < krish> :)
18:02 < krish> i wonder why the quality looks bad when i zoom out and not when i zoom in?
18:02 < krish> shouldn't it be same since its vector!
18:03 < krish> sigh synfig crashed again.. this time due to too much of zooming in
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18:18 < krish> of what i read till now, this is the coolest thread http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=259
18:24 < rore> cute penguin indeed, especially the eyes (eyelids)
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18:30 < creek23> hi all!
18:30 < pixelbot> Hello creek23
18:30 < creek23> :D hi pixelbot
18:36 < krish> hey creek23
18:47 < krish> whats the zoom factor in the preview option?
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18:58 < creek23> hi krish, it's for the renderer to know, how big/small the output should be.
19:05 < pixelgeek> hi creek23 
19:05 < pixelgeek> How's the compiling going?
19:07 < creek23> hi pixelgeek, i'm having problem with "install ETL first"
19:07 < creek23> when i install compile ETL, i don't get "DONE" -- but I did before tho. :-(
19:16 < creek23> where does OpenEXR go after MSYS compiled it?
19:42 < pixelgeek> It should end up in the Win32build temp area
19:43 < pixelgeek> At the same level as ETL, synfig &  synfig studio...
19:43 < pixelgeek> (I'm on my work PC - can't see my builc env from here.)
19:47 < creek23> oh.
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20:51 < creek23> (finally, core is compiling now... and so I wait... :D )
21:03 < pixelgeek> :)
21:03  * pixelgeek off to lunch
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21:08 < genete> hey pixelgeek
21:09 < pixelgeek> Is it quick? - I'm hungry
21:10 < genete> just to mention that I replied you in the logs, go to have lunch :)
21:10  * pixelgeek timesout
21:10 < pixelgeek> I saw.  
21:10 < pixelgeek> thanks
21:11 < pixelgeek> So dooglus' machines' basically not going to be doing much more development
21:11 < pixelgeek> Is the Git repo sync'ed to a point where there's useable code to play with?  Or does the gui still need work?
21:12 < genete> the git repo allows to manually create bones, bind the points to them manually and do stuff like the hand animation I did
21:12 < genete> but there is no bone tool 
21:12 < pixelgeek> i.e. is there any reason why we couldn't take a patch from Git and apply it to the svn repo?  
21:12 < genete> and not automatic binding
21:13 < pixelgeek> So a bit more work needed before beta teseting then.  :(
21:13 < genete> I can make a screen cast and you can see what I mean
21:13 < pixelgeek> ok - catch you later.
21:13 < genete> ok, enjoy the lunch
21:13 < pixelgeek> That would be interesting, but don't worry if you're busy.  
21:16 < creek23> crap! i aint never gonna build synfig -- kept on bugging me with "undefined reference"; is the trunk even buildable?!?
21:30 < rore> on linux, yep
21:36 < genete> http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=337&p=2055#p2055
21:36 < genete> maybe someone can reproduce it?
21:43 < rore> genete: ah-ha! With the gamma stuff, I get the random noise too
21:43 < genete> phew!
21:43 < genete> so you have the same problem?
21:43 < genete> maybe it is a 64 bit problem?
21:44 < genete> I cannot reproduce in other computer (32 bits) and it happens with all the builds I have here (since svn 1200)
21:46 < rore> 64b here yes, I don't have a 32b to test (well, I have, but no synfig there :) )
21:47 < genete> very annoying bug for someone who works with imported images footage
21:47 < genete> luckily it renders out fine, I think
21:48 < creek23> so it's just how synfig displays it?
21:48 < rore> I never changed the gamma adjustment value before, so I didn't see that problem
21:50 < genete> creek23: I think it is just a display problem.
21:50 < genete> rore: can you confirm it using the eyedrop tool? When you obtain the noise you can pick the color of the noise? I cannot. I pickup the real color of the image
21:51 < genete> so the noise is just a display "artifact" (I know you love that word rore :))
21:51 < rore> yes, I love that word when it's used in the right context. As here, that's really an artifact :p
21:53 < rore> (and yes, I pick the image color and not the artifact color with the eyedrop)
22:00 < creek23> I badly need help: I tried recompiling OpenEXR and ETL -- both did just fine. But compiling core gives me lots of "undefined reference" errors... :-(   pixelgeek!!!
22:09 < creek23> genete, does "You should update your `aclocal.m4' by running aclocal." more like an error message than a warning?
22:11 < genete> I ignore it every time. It doesn't damage your build. Anyway it should be fixed in the configure.ac file I think. I have not idea of autoreconf language :)
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22:29 < creek23> wierd. msys doesn't know malloc, strcmp, free, strlen, sprintf, etc... could it be that the builscript is removing the paths for the headers?
22:35 < pixelgeek> the aclocal messages can be ignored.  
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22:35 < pixelgeek> I see them on successful builds. 
22:37 < pixelgeek> Are you going to be around in 4 hours time?  We can compare build environments then....
22:38 < genete> dooglus said this to me when comment your proposal pixelgeek:
22:38 < genete> (21:17:55) Chris: the only thing that puts me off doing that is that it makes it harder to change the file format later
22:38 < genete> (21:18:19) Chris: i don't really like having vn_node be a valuebase type for instance
22:38 < genete> (21:18:31) Chris: maybe it needs changing, which will break any existing .sifz files that use bones
22:38 < genete> (21:18:41) Chris: so it's best to fix that before putting it into svn
22:38 < pixelgeek> It's cool - I just didn't know how close it was.  
22:39 < pixelgeek> It sounded like you were pretty close, showing off videos with it working.  
22:39 < pixelgeek> I figured if dooglus' machine wasn't working, then he wouldn't be actively changing it, and we could play with it and offer suggestions.  
22:40 < genete> I did all the internal binding manually so rig anything is quite time consuming
22:40 < pixelgeek> (I may just try the git repo and build it myself, just to annoy creek23 ;) )
22:41 < genete> you can, fetch the git repo and build it by your own.
22:41  * pixelgeek nods 
22:41 < pixelgeek> I was wondering if it was like curve warp.....  You could probably do the same efffect?  
22:42 < genete> with bones you effectively move the vertices, so the deformation is produced at vertex/tangent level. In curve warp the deformation is produced at pixel level. That's a big difference
22:44 < pixelgeek> Got it...  
22:45 < genete> I'll make a screen cast
22:46 < creek23> pixelgeek: ok, i'll try to be online in after 4 hours. that's about 10AM here. usually my nap time since i work at night. :D
22:46 < pixelgeek> Well - don't worry if not....  
22:46 < pixelgeek> I'd always prioritize sleep over debugging.  
22:47 < creek23> he. what the heck. ill debug if only i could finally build synfig...
22:48 < pixelgeek> I used to think that too....  :)
22:48 < creek23> i started hacking Pencil's source code since the other day; compiling it was no problem.
22:48 < pixelgeek> But you probably have a better chance than me - all my C code knowledge is self taught.
22:48 < pixelgeek> I'm not a good teacher, and a worse student.  
22:49 < creek23> :DDD
22:54 < creek23> has anyone thought of Synfig to implement on how Pencil manages frames in the Timeline?
22:55 < creek23> doing the bubbles animation is kind of complicated than making bubble animation with Pencil.
22:55 < genete> creek23: how does pencil manage frames exactly?
22:58 < creek23> think of it like traditional animation, you draw frame-by-frame
22:58 < creek23> but since it is computerized, you can actually copy the drawing from one frame and paste it to a new frame
22:59 < creek23> btw, that's how Flash works too.
22:59 < creek23> but Pencil doesnt have the "tweening" yet -- Synfig is tweening oriented.
22:59 < genete> just set the default interpolation method to Constant. Every change you do is set to a constant interpolation
23:00 < genete> so you see stills between waypoints, no tweening
23:00 < pixelgeek> You could probably do something similar with animated canvases.
23:01 < pixelgeek> Have a canvas with drawing 1...  
23:01 < pixelgeek> move to keyframe
23:01 < pixelgeek> cut and paste drawing into canvas 2
23:01 < pixelgeek> repeat as necessary
23:01 < genete> also, you have to read how keyframe works in synfig I think. They are really useful for pose to pose animation. See http://synfig.org/Keyframes
23:01 < genete> oops
23:01 < genete> http://synfig.org/Keyframe
23:01 < genete> better
23:04 < creek23> but with frame-by-frame, it's easy for beginners to mess around and make simple animation fast. with synfig, it's like animating a 3D object -- only, it's 2D. ;-)
23:06 < creek23> i guess what I mean is that, if the time-consumed in learning the software is minimal, users will get to explore more of the software...
23:07 < creek23> i know lot's of users who tend not to care learning GIMP when they could not "Anchor" the pasted object.
23:08 < genete> synfig is not easy the first time you work with it, yes
23:09 < genete> it was primarily designed for a animation company (skilled animators)
23:10 < creek23> when was that?
23:11 < genete> http://synfig.org/History
23:12 < creek23> i've just hacked Pencil to look and feel like Flash. tho not 100% to avoid patent issues. :D -- stuff that I should have done with Synfig; if only I could compile this stuff :-(
23:13 < genete> creek23: linux build is easier :D
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23:17 < creek23> yep. i followed your build procedure for ubuntu 8.10... but i want to distribute a Synfig under Windows platform -- OS of my "target" users.
23:17 < pixelbot> For information on Synfig on Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex see http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=277
23:17 < creek23> hi all
23:17 < pixelbot> Hello creek23
23:17 < creek23> :DDD
23:18  * creek23 did not intrepidly done that... ^_^
23:18 < genete> !quote
23:18 < pixelbot> My 2D Vector Animation program has HDRI - does yours?
23:18 < genete> ha!
23:18 < genete> !quote
23:18 < pixelbot> 2008-06-04-18:08 < genete> the rotation tool always rotate by the center of the selected sucks
23:19 < genete> lol
23:19 < genete> !quote
23:19 < pixelbot> 2008-02-08-22:14 < Yoyobuae> duckmatic.h(121): "**	\note At some point I'll probably rename this class to "DuckOMatic".
23:19 < creek23> he
23:19 < creek23> heh
23:19 < genete> good one too :D
23:19 < genete> !quote
23:19 < pixelbot> 00:48 < dooglus> the problem with the "2 canvases not deleted" is more annoying to track down - it's reference counted; each canvas counts how many objects are using it, and it deletes itself when nobody is using it any more. 00:48 < genete> hope that the code were easier than its explanation... lol
23:20 < genete> hahahaha :D
23:20 < creek23> !quote
23:20 < pixelbot> My 2D Vector Animation program has HDRI - does yours?
23:20 < creek23> i dunno.
23:20 < creek23> hi all
23:20 < pixelbot> Hello creek23
23:20 < creek23> :DDD
23:21 < genete> pixelbot, randomize the quotes please :-P
23:21 < creek23> !quote
23:21 < pixelbot> 2008-05-01-03:40 < pixelgeek> Hi! I'm Sy! I've detected that you're trying to draw a bline! Maybe I can help?
23:26 < genete> pixelgeek and anyone: this is a screen casting of current feature bone status: http://www.mediafire.com/?xtjtzgmydx1
23:27 < genete> as you can see there is not need to select the skeleton layer to manipulate the bones when they are influencing a bline
23:28 < genete> anyway the skeleton layer is a good place to see and set the waypoints and modify them
23:30 < genete> also you see lots of bones numbers there when select the bone in the drop down list. They come from the Bone Influence conversions. They should not exists if there were a better GUI that allows binds the points to the bone directly without passing by the convert type
23:31 < genete> (so it makes the convert type and the bone assignment in one step)
23:31 < creek23> about the "designed for skilled animators", it looks like darco is the only "skilled person" to use Voria/Synfig. and since there are others more that "tries" to use Synfig now, maybe there should be a bit of redesigns.
23:32 < genete> Any redesign is welcome. When would you start? ;)
23:33 < genete> seriously, the code of synfig is.. hard. So big changes are not easy
23:36 < creek23> the "clean code" is the best asset of Synfig source code... it could be hard to implement 'big' changes but it surely can be done in few months -- realistically speaking.
23:40 < genete> I'm really a newbie on coding, so I just can talk about some patches I can do. We have only one real developer (dooglus). Maybe if you finally get ride of windows build you can dive into synfig code and become our second dooglus :)
23:40 < creek23> :P
23:41 < creek23> he's not around mostly, is he?
23:52 < genete> his username is connected to a remote machine that grabs the logs. But he can be off line and the user still visible here. Lately his laptop has broken and cannot connect to internet. He is using a borrowed Windows installed laptop. 
23:55 < genete> His now broken laptop is slow (5 years old) to use repetitively 'make', so lately he is using an account in my monster desktop pc that I keep plugged on during all the day (we have both same time zone). That allowed make the bones development we (well mainly he) are working on.
23:59 < creek23> oh. my pc is 6 years old. and has the symptoms of a dying pc too. gulp!
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