--- Log opened Sat Jan 31 00:00:09 2009
00:00 < rore> (good morning west europe! Hmm yeah, sorry, 00:00)
00:00 < genete> :)
00:03 < rore> I remember looking at synfig code. 3 days later, I was still totaly lost. 
00:04 < rore> I have a friend that says that this http://xkcd.com/323/ is true, but I never wanted to try
00:07 < genete> lol
00:08 < genete> maybe you can try it with Phenethylamine concentration in blood: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenethylamine
00:08 < genete> it is present in Chocolate :)
00:08 < rore> yes, I just saw it, hehe 
00:10 < rore> Well, that same friend also said the coding ability depends on the music one's listen. In general music only helps me to stay awake :)
00:12 < genete> I used to listen Dire Straits when studied. 
00:12 < genete> Some people just walk for concentration... that's why programmers invented the laptop :)
00:12 < rore> hehe, yes
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00:44 < prokoudine_> genete: sounds interesting
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03:30 < genete> night
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09:12 < genete> morning Zelgadis!
09:13 < Zelgadis> Hey, genete!
09:13 < genete> and everyone!
09:13 < Zelgadis> That's amaziiing!
09:13 < genete> I can't believe it!
09:14 < genete> I've been chating with him about three hours and it is incredible how fast did he catch all the code meaning
09:14 < genete> ducks renderer is already done.
09:14 < Zelgadis> OMG!
09:14 < genete> I left him doing the object renderers
09:15 < Zelgadis> If openGL renderer will be done, then it will be much easier to teach synfig to kids... It will speedup production!
09:15 < genete> sketch, ducks, bezier ducking, grid, and guides are already done.
09:15 < genete> also keyframes texts and ducks texts (like the radius one)
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09:17 < Zelgadis> O___O
09:17 < genete> he is trying to be as much agnostic as possible but I think that he needs to modify core too.
09:17 < genete> I mean only to try to modify studio
09:17 < genete> but there is a lot of code dependence he said
09:18 < Zelgadis> If he will modify core in such way what dependencies will be remove - then it worths it. Don't know if that possible...
09:19 < genete> As he is Spanish we were able to quickly go to fluid communication. There were not language barrels specially to me with English :)
09:19 < Zelgadis> Cool!
09:19 < genete> the render system on studio relies on core calls. I don't know if it was possible
09:19 < genete> or will be possible
09:21 < genete> I had to ask him for a diff file to really believe that I was not "dreaming". Then he helped me to manually modify Makefile to apply the patch. He needs to learn automake though, because he codes Makefile directly. :D
09:21 < genete> that's how I rendered the sketches
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09:24 < Zelgadis> ^___^
09:25 < Zelgadis> brb
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10:05 < genete> Zelgadis: I think that during the renderers development we can ask him to fix/improve something. Have you got something in mind regardless to the render speed?
10:06 < genete> think only on render on studio
10:06 < Zelgadis> Hmmm... Right. I should think about it.
10:06 < genete> I'm thinking to ask him for fix the tile render because it fails for some layers combination
10:07 < genete> but I think that first I have to let him know if he can use the tile render or not (or is not really needed)
10:08 < genete> for example, the transparent background (greyed check board) should be drawn always using straight, not using a pixel based renderer. 
10:08 < genete> so it can be pixel size independent (and faster then)
10:09 < genete> it is just a visual guide to tell the user: "you're watching a transparent background"
10:09 < genete> not needed to be more or less accurate 
10:09 < genete> what do you think?
10:10 < Zelgadis> Yes. Draw transperent first, and then visualize layers over it - if that possible
10:10 < genete> I mean, it is stupid see the background rendered using tiles. It is always there
10:11 < rore> <genete> ducks renderer is already done. <---- OMG too O_o, wow
10:11 < genete> morning rore
10:11 < Zelgadis> hi, rore 
10:12 < rore> hi genete and Zelgadis :)
10:12 < genete> there is something that maybe you don't like
10:12 < genete> the dashed lines that represent the bezier lines are dashed right?
10:13 < genete> he didn't make them dashed initially to speed them up
10:13 < genete> he just used the 17 segments of the bezier to make a fake of dashed line
10:13 < genete> http://imagebin.org/37157
10:14 < genete> so the number of dashes are constant between vertices
10:15 < genete> he told me that it will be possible to make them constant length but didn't want to introduce more "slow" code for the moment
10:15 < genete> as you see that was a WIP screeshot
10:15 < rore> yes :) Well, that's a little less nice with a constant number of dashes, but still, I'm not going to complain ^^
10:16 < genete> he is looking for speed first and if there is room for make it beauty sure he will do
10:16 < krish[0]> what is that thing
10:16 < rore> genete: yes. The "cosmetic" changes can be done at the end :)
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10:17 < genete> oh
10:17 < genete> krish: http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=22&p=2230
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10:17 < genete> http://imagebin.org/37158
10:18 < genete> this is an example of antialiasing the duck lines
10:18 < genete> he proposed to only make smooth the sketch lines
10:18 < genete> and keep crisped all the other duck/lines
10:19 < genete> of course it should be selectable
10:19 < genete> he proposed to create a tab in the Setup dialog for OpenGL options
10:20 < rore> sounds like a good idea 
10:24 < rore> In case he's looking for things to improve (^^'), I can't remember if the "disapearing" warp problem was fixed? (the one that made http://rore.dyndns.org/rore/synfig/warp_active.jpg instead of http://rore.dyndns.org/rore/synfig/warp_active2.jpg )
10:24 < genete> rore: is there a bug tracker for that? I think there is
10:25 < genete> I think that first we should let him to make it works and later ask for bugs
10:25 < rore> Yes, I think there is, but sourceforge is slowish here
10:26 < rore> yep :) Well, I think (or hope) that this warp thing is the kind of thing that will be "automatically" solved with a new display renderer.
10:27 < genete> I've agreed with him to keep the current renderer (GTK one) for output files not for GUI, as it is now and not use opengl. Only if it is possible to emulate all the effects then we can think on also use opengl to output render
10:28 < genete> so for the moment he is only working on GUI renderers. But maybe the needed modifications would allow to render to files too because at the end the renderer is uses the same routines
10:30 < rore> ok.
10:31 < genete> brb
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14:26 < genete> hi prochefquattro
14:26 < prochefquattro> hi genete :)
14:27 < genete> what brings you to Synfig world? need help?
14:28 < prochefquattro> genete: i am wall[e]
14:28 < genete> lol
14:28 < prochefquattro> genete: last night i saw this tv commercial..
14:29  * genete renames prochefquattro to wall[e]
14:29 < prochefquattro> pro chef quattro, and i know i must change my nick..
14:29 < prochefquattro> the thing is just AmazinG!
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14:29 < prochefquattro> i'll get one asap, i know.
14:56 < rore> at 1st I thought you saw a tv commercial about synfig XD
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15:12 < Zelgadis> All those changes with synfig are breathtaking!
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