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09:55 < vince38> hi :)
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09:57 < rore> hei 
10:00 < creek23> hi all
10:00 < pixelbot> Hello creek23
10:00 < creek23> hi pixelbot :D
10:09 < vince38> hi  creek23
10:12 < creek23> hi vince, sup?
10:12 < creek23> not been able to make the bubbles animation tutorial just yet.
10:13 < vince38> sup ?  
10:13 < creek23> err sorry. whats up?  :D
10:13 < creek23> ive been busy hacking Pencil -- could have been hacking Synfig if not for the build on windows issue. :(
10:14 < vince38> :) 
10:14 < creek23> whats new with Synfig community?
10:15 < creek23> oh, vince. what OS are you on?
10:15 < vince38> im 'on Xubuntu 8.04
10:16 < creek23> hmm... it install DEB too files right?
10:16 < vince38> and don't really know the news sorry 
10:16 < creek23> *it installs DEB
10:16 < vince38> you mean, after compiling ?
10:16 < creek23> during compiling.
10:17  * vince38 long time no compil
10:17 < creek23> :D
10:18 < vince38> can't even find my path to synfig
10:18 < creek23> huh?
10:19 < creek23> oh the sources...
10:20 < creek23> does anyone know if synfig is using any svg library?
10:22 < pabs3> synfig has nothing to do with svg
10:22 < pabs3> see FAQ
10:22 < creek23> hmm...
10:22 < creek23> what about vector rendering lib?
10:34 < pabs3> synfig does the rendering, synfigstudio is the gui
10:34 < prochefquattro> are you looking for cairo or something?
10:55 < creek23> prochefquattro: somewhat.
10:55 < creek23> it's just that Qt has this SVG module. and I was trying to look for GTK SVG module.
10:57 < pabs3> rsvg
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12:14  * genete filling the form for the contest. It is time for any correction suggestion.
12:15 < genete> http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=2302#p2302
12:27 < genete> anyone?... I'm about to press the submit button. :)
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12:32 < genete> hey Zelgadis :)
12:40 < rore> Presssssss 
12:41 < genete> Doing up right now! :-D
12:41 < rore> Even if it's not perfect, it's good. So ... :) 
12:42 < Zelgadis> Hey, genete!
12:42 < genete> they say that it can be corrected if some essential information is missing :)
12:42 < Zelgadis> Hi, rore 
12:42  * rore feels sleepy
12:42 < genete> hi rore, Zelgadis and all the troops 
12:43 < genete> Zelgadis: I have some questions about Ivan's hair on Demo14
12:43 < rore> hi Zelgadis 
12:44 < genete> **Submitted** gg
12:45 < rore> FIREBALL!!!!!! 
12:45 < rore> heh, sorry, lack of sleep makes me weird
12:49 < genete> Zelgadis: the hair from the right image (in the forum) has the outlines less defined (more scattered) Do you prefer each outline coincide with the edge of the region or can/should be independent of the region below?
12:49 < genete> In other words, should the hair outlines overlap the hair regions or just contour them?
13:04 < Zelgadis> genete: Well, in current case it doesn't matter, but IF  hairs going to be animated then the hair outlines should overlap the hair regions.
13:04 < Zelgadis> So I prefer them always overlap ^_^
13:04 < Zelgadis> 'cause it seems more flexible for me.
13:05 < Zelgadis> rore: DAUG-HAUT!
13:05 < rore> gahhhh
13:05 < Zelgadis> ...and before rore hides:
13:05 < Zelgadis> SHADOW-SNAP!
13:05 < Zelgadis> ^___^
13:06 < genete> I mean, outlines and the regions have completely independent vertices lists. Is that correct?
13:06 < rore> Zelgadis: meh, I forgot almost all spells, last time I watched that was years ago. *sob*
13:06  * genete doesn't understand a word of your slang :(
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13:09 < Zelgadis> genete: I still not fully understood then
13:10 < genete> I'll do a rough example
13:10 < Zelgadis> fullly-coolly.. foolly-cooly? What is furi-kuri, by the way?
13:10 < Zelgadis> genete: Ok
13:10 < Zelgadis> rore: http://www.inverse.org/e/bkg/magic/cats.shtml
13:11 < prochefquattro> hi Zelgadis and all
13:11 < Zelgadis> hi, prochefquattro?
13:11 < Zelgadis> !
13:11 < Zelgadis> How is it?
13:11 < prochefquattro> good, rendering things all days
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13:12 < prochefquattro> btw, i think i'll finish the soldier dress today.
13:12 < L-gadis> Cool!
13:12 < rore> genete: this is just because Zelgadis is the name of a character in an 'anime' (? ) which involves magic spells and all 
13:12 < prochefquattro> and may be next week i'll be entirely free.
13:13  * prochefquattro should get a real job.
13:13 < L-gadis> prochefquattro: Cool!
13:13 < genete> rore: now I understand, thanks
13:13 < L-gadis> prochefquattro: BTW, how did you making soldier's dress? texturing?
13:14 < prochefquattro> will add some polygons
13:14 < L-gadis> prochefquattro: ok
13:14 < prochefquattro> it didn't change since the last one i show you
13:17 < L-gadis> I hope to finish keyframe drafts for scene 19 today or tomorrow...
13:21 < genete> L-gadis: http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/Genete/synfig/hair-sample.png
13:23 < L-gadis> genete: Ah, that's not good
13:23 < genete> May be I'm transgressing anime style with this proposal but the hair details of the second image is not suited for anime style
13:23 < genete> the outlines are quite broken and scattered :/
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13:39 < L-gadis> genete: It's ok to connect some lines: http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=538pxdemo142tm4.jpg
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13:40 < L-gadis> genete: Did I answered the question?
13:41 < genete> yes
13:53 < prochefquattro> does synfig have scripting language?
13:54 < genete> I'm having problems with the sharp corners. When the tangents's angle is smaller than one value the sharp corner becomes less sharp (grrrr)
13:54 < genete> it seems a bug or a feature request
13:54 < L-gadis> prochefquattro: No. But it have Converts - ability to link parameters through math functions.
13:55 < L-gadis> genete: Yes, you right...
13:56 < genete> it makes hard to create some nice hair!
13:57 < L-gadis> genete: looks like a bug
13:57 < genete> well, if both tangents are colinear, when should the corner stop?
13:58 < genete> what does inkscape do with that?
13:58 < genete> http://i85.photobucket.com/albums/k74/Genete/synfig/Demo14-3.png
13:59 < prochefquattro> L-gadis: thanks.
14:03 < L-gadis> genete: dah, inkscape not allows variable line width for contours!
14:05 < L-gadis> genete: you, if both tangents are colinear, then  corner should stop growing?
14:06 < L-gadis> If boths tangents are collinear the corner should stop at the vertex + outline width
14:08 < L-gadis> Maybe it's not a bug, but the visualization algorithm should be changed in the feature.
14:09 < L-gadis> genete: For now don't bother on it too much. There will be much hairs on screen and the viewer will not be concentrated on single hair curl that much. ^_^
14:10 < L-gadis> "don't bother" = "don't mind it"
14:13 < rore> next time make a story with only bald guys :p
14:13 < genete> But I' would notice it! :)
14:15 < L-gadis> Aha. Synfig story: bald women rore and brave bald man genete with a brave bald man.. ahem... dooglus fighting bugs (bald) on the island in the ocean.
14:15 < rore> hehehehe. From what I remember, dooglus is as 'bald' as me. :]
14:15 < L-gadis> Island is without a grass - so it is a bald too.
14:16 < L-gadis> Aha
14:16 < L-gadis> Even more "bald'er"
14:16 < rore> bald bugs ... sounds good, well, less scary than hairy spiders
14:19 < genete> It reminds me the second part of Alien (or was the third?) where all the people were bald due to aliens infects people by lice
14:20 < L-gadis> I prefer bugs as eight-legged rabbit-looking entities
14:20 < L-gadis> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skuld_(Oh_My_Goddess!)#Debugging_mallet
14:21  * rore is too scared of such movies :D (I only saw the 1st one, with a lot of "difficulty", well... closed my eyes half of the time :] )
14:22 < rore> hu, anime characters always look so weird :)
14:24 < L-gadis> http://chizumatic.mee.nu/images/01294.jpg
14:25 < rore> yeah, weird :)
14:25  * L-gadis is fan of "Oh! My Goddess!"
14:27 < rore> ahah, weird weird weird I say ... http://www.kenkomachi.com/animecon/Katsucon99/zelgadis.jpg I found you ! *bursting into laughter* 
14:27 < L-gadis> dang! X_X
14:28 < L-gadis> Today I'm L-gadis, 'cause Death Note rocks!
14:29  * rore not into anime nor manga at all. 
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14:53 < petr> hi
14:53 < petr> i have problem
14:53 < genete> hi petr
14:53 < petr> (synfigstudio:3222): Gtk-WARNING **: GtkSpinButton: setting an adjustment with non-zero page size is deprecated 
14:53 < genete> what's the problem?
14:54 < petr> i have xfce
14:54 < genete> synfig version?
14:54 < petr> mmt
14:54 < genete> 8.10
14:54 < pixelbot> For information on Synfig on Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex see http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=277
14:55 < petr> 0.61.08
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14:56 < genete> the link provided by pixelbot can help you 
14:56 < genete> xubuntu?
14:57 < petr> no
14:57 < petr> Debian testing mix
14:58 < genete> anyway, the gtkspibutton problem is common for other distros too
14:58 < L-gadis> petr: You could try this package if you like: http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=341
14:58 < petr> thanks
14:58 < genete> yes, and I think that debian has the 0.61.09 version already in the repos
14:59 < petr> hmm
15:00 < genete> L-gadis: uh! I didn't posted your repo link in the header of the forum thread!
15:00 < L-gadis> Ah!
15:00 < L-gadis> ^_^
15:01 < genete> I think I did it! :)
15:01 < petr> hmm,  i look repo debian experimental and 0.61.09 no
15:01 < L-gadis> genete: Please put a link to http://download.tuxfamily.org/morevna/morevnapackage/binaries/ , not to the package files itself.
15:02 < L-gadis> 'cause it's hard to update forum post everytime we pushing new build.
15:02 < petr> i download new version deb package
15:04 < petr> hmm, dont work
15:05 < L-gadis> errors?
15:05 < petr> dpkg -i synfigstudio_0.61.09-2316.morevnapackage.1_i386.deb  (Číta sa databáza ... momentálne je nainštalovaných 114375 súborov a adresárov. Rozbaľuje sa synfigstudio (z synfigstudio_0.61.09-2316.morevnapackage.1_i386.deb) ... dpkg: chyba pri spracovávaní synfigstudio_0.61.09-2316.morevnapackage.1_i386.deb (--install):  skúšam prepísať „/usr/bin/synfig“, ktorý je tiež v balíku synfig Počas spracovania s
15:05 < L-gadis> LANG=C dpkg -i synfigstudio_0.61.09-2316.morevnapackage.1_i386.de
15:05 < L-gadis> please
15:06 < L-gadis> LANG=C dpkg -i synfigstudio_0.61.09-2316.morevnapackage.1_i386.deb
15:06 < L-gadis> petr: Remove old ETL, synfig and synfigstudio packages first
15:07 < petr>  LANG=C dpkg -i synfigstudio_0.61.09-2316.morevnapackage.1_i386.deb  (Reading database ... 114375 files and directories currently installed.) Unpacking synfigstudio (from synfigstudio_0.61.09-2316.morevnapackage.1_i386.deb) ... dpkg: error processing synfigstudio_0.61.09-2316.morevnapackage.1_i386.deb (--install):  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/synfig', which is also in package synfig Errors were encountered while processing:
15:07 < petr> ok
15:08 < petr> work, i remove old file
15:09 < L-gadis> petr: Does synfigstudio starts well?
15:09 < petr> yes
15:09 < petr> thanks
15:09 < L-gadis> I'm glad
15:10 < petr> i have one questions
15:10 < L-gadis> petr: Please consider, what those package compiled with an old dependent libraries (gtkmm/libxml/etc..), which could be potential security risk.
15:10 < L-gadis> Use at your own risk.
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15:12 < petr> how to change size an object in the layer?
15:14 < L-gadis> http://synfig.org/Layer#Zoom
15:15 < L-gadis> or http://synfig.org/Scale_Tool
15:15 < L-gadis> depends from the situation
15:16 < petr> yes
15:16 < petr> CTRL+A
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22:30 < Yoyobuae> hi genete 
22:30 < genete> hey Yoyobuae :)
22:31 < Yoyobuae> i compiled synfig
22:31 < Yoyobuae> the newest bone branch was "genete_bones" one, right?
22:31 < rubikcube> congratulations :)
22:32 < genete> Yoyobuae: cool
22:32 < genete> yes, it is
22:32 < genete> any problem on the way?
22:32 < Yoyobuae> played with bones a bit
22:33 < genete> Yoyobuae: cooool
22:33 < genete> did the screencast video helped you?
22:33 < Yoyobuae> no, i didnt see it xD
22:35 < genete> Yoyobuae: anything to show/comment?
22:37 < Yoyobuae> genete: nothing much, i couldn't get two bone segments to work as parent/child correctly
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22:39 < genete> To create a child bone automatically just "insert item smart" selecting the proposed parent bone. It would create a bone placed on the tip of the parent and would set its parent parameter to be the parent bone
22:39 < Yoyobuae> oh i see
22:39 < genete> do you want I send to you the hand animation?
22:39 < genete> file?
22:40 < Yoyobuae> i was manualy linking them
22:40 < genete> you can feel bones better
22:40 < genete> with a complete setup already done
22:41 < Yoyobuae> the fun is in making it oneself, though :)
22:42 < genete> Have fun! and help us on make Blinepoints reverse manipulable :)
22:43 < genete> parent parameter is animatable with time
22:44 < genete> that's how the hand picked up the red button. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qNOPR_1UAz0
22:45 < Yoyobuae> oh, nice
22:50 < genete> Yoyobuae: try to press ALT-7 and ALT-8
22:51 < genete> ALT-7 change the stauts to Setup Mode. You can see there the setup values of the bones and the bline points
22:51 < genete> ALT-8 toggles to the recursive mode
22:52 < genete> in that status the Length scale and Width scale of the bone is modified by the width and tip ducks
22:52 < genete> the recursive length and width scales affects to all the child bones chain, recursively
23:01 < Yoyobuae> oh i see
23:01 < Yoyobuae> was wondering how to edit setup values for bones (other than typing in the value XD)
23:04 < genete> the parent bone should be also editable using the mouse/tool status/right click menu
23:05 < genete> but it is not already done
23:57 < genete> night
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