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01:25 < daedhel> hi guys, i'm testin synfig for the first time on archlinux
01:26 < daedhel> i have installed the synfigstudio package (gui)
01:26 < daedhel> I just don't know how to start the gui... is there a special command?
01:35 < rubikcube> synfigstudio
01:36 < rubikcube> you'll need the synfig and etl packages/programs as well of course, but I guess you have them already
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09:56 < rore> moin
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10:29 < genete> moin moin
10:32 < rore> funny there's no "Moin" in flickr's greetings (for non-flickr users: this website use to display a random welcome message in various languages, like "Hola rore! Now you know how to greet people in Spanish!")
10:32 < genete> :)
10:33 < rore> they should really add a "Moin <user>!" :) (there's even some weird welcome messages, like "OH HAI!" for lolspeak)
10:34 < genete> hehehe
10:35 < genete> and that it automatically translates it to his mother language
10:36 < rore> well, the funny part is that it's not really translated :) 
10:37 < rore> anyway.... back to emailbox sorting, and unsubscribing from mailinglists 
10:38 < rore> (my ISP was bought by another one, so the email address i got from the first ISP will be deleted in a few months ... and I was using it for mailing lists)
11:11 < genete> bad ISP behaviour! 
11:29 < rore> well, it was bought maybe a year ago, but kept its name, and now it will change... :) (maybe the 1st email address will be redirected to another for some time, but I may as well start the changes now.)
11:29 < rore> hm, yeah, I should also create the new email address, I still haven't done it :]
11:30 < genete> and all the old emails, are they kept?
11:37 < rore> well, they're on my computer ... :) But I suppose they could be transfered otherwise
11:39 < rore> oh, the stickmen ... I forgot them
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12:33 < CIA-47> synfig: gballintijn * r2344 /synfig-core/trunk/src/tool/main.cpp: 
12:33 < CIA-47> synfig: #2513683: Fix misuse of constructor.
12:33 < CIA-47> synfig: * Don't abuse the constructor of class Argument as a mere function.
12:33 < CIA-47> synfig: * Don't use an integer value as a boolean flag.
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12:53 < CIA-47> synfig: gballintijn * r2345 /synfig-studio/trunk/src/gtkmm/ (dialog_color.cpp dialog_color.h): 
12:53 < CIA-47> synfig: #2577196: Clean up the color dialog code.
12:53 < CIA-47> synfig: This commit cleans up the code of the color dialog, making it easier to
12:53 < CIA-47> synfig: understand. Specifically, removal of pointless use of a table widget,
12:53 < CIA-47> synfig: some refactoring of the code, some renaming of identifiers, some
12:53 < CIA-47> synfig: reordering of code, some removal of useless include and unused methods,
12:53 < CIA-47> synfig: and the removal of commented out code.
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14:32 < Uiomae> hi Zelgadis!
14:32 < Zelgadis> Hey, Uiomae!
14:33 < Uiomae> how's Morevna going?
14:34 < Zelgadis> good! Thanks! Watching genete's work right now. ^_^
14:34 < Uiomae> jeje, good!
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14:44 < genete> hey
14:44 < genete> I've been mentioned :)
14:44 < Zelgadis> Hey, genete!
14:44 < Zelgadis> Thank you!
14:45 < Zelgadis> I do like it!
14:45 < genete> both views aren't exactly the same so it is a mixture of both :)
14:45 < Zelgadis> Yep. I noticed.
14:46 < genete> being eye-less looks strange to me though
14:46 < Zelgadis> ^_^
14:47 < Zelgadis> After some small improvements I will put shades on him.
14:47 < Zelgadis> There will be a deep shadow on the eyes
14:47 < genete> ok wil be nice to see
14:48 < Zelgadis> genete: how about fetching project tree?
14:48 < genete> in my PC?
14:49 < Zelgadis> Yes, to your pc.
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14:50 < genete> maybe but it would mean I have write rights and I'm scared on broke something. My art style is not anime suited
14:51 < genete> you can use me as TraceMonkey, though ;)
14:53 < Zelgadis> I just thought what if you commit directly to repo and fix all things in-place then it will speed up a process a little.
14:53 < Zelgadis> Because now file integrates into project like that:
14:53 < Zelgadis> contributor -> forum -> me -> git
14:54 < Zelgadis> I prefer contributor -> git scheme ^__^
14:55 < genete> what's the repo address?
14:55 < Zelgadis> It's in private mode. I need to add you to the ACL list.
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14:57 < Zelgadis> genete: You should get an account here first: https://panel.tuxfamily.org/subscribe.pl
14:59 < genete> it doesn't ask for password
14:59 < Zelgadis> genete: it will be sent by e-mail
15:00 < Zelgadis> you could change it after first login
15:00 < genete> ok
15:03 < genete> ok, I'm in. And now?
15:13 < Zelgadis> Your username and password will be the used for git access
15:15 < genete> ok. I'm busy now but I'll fecth it as soon as I have time
15:15 < Zelgadis> genete: OK. Refer to Contributor's guide about that.
15:15 < Zelgadis> http://morevnaproject.org/wiki/Contributor's_Guide
15:16 < genete> I've commented it already! :)
15:16 < genete> I need to re-read it again and slowly
15:16 < Zelgadis> What? How I missed it?
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15:20 < genete> just commented a few minutes ago ;)
15:21 < genete> ttyl thanks for register me to morevna's family :)
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15:35 < Zelgadis> genete: Thank you for joining!
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18:13 < vonHalenbach> hi
18:15 < Yoyobuae>  hi
18:38 < vonHalenbach> Inkscape intends to put in animation after version 0.47 is out. Is someone interested to help there? Coding?
18:39 < vonHalenbach> Since you already have experience with animation. The gui and concepts need to be developed too.
18:40 < Yoyobuae> or we could stay here
18:41 < vonHalenbach> sure
18:42 < rore> cool - so we could start to steal the inkscape devs in a few months then ;D
18:42 < vonHalenbach> Yeah. :)
18:43 < vonHalenbach> I think GPL-projects should help each other. Like a big family.
18:43 < rore> (half kidding, I think synfig lacks more devs than inkscape ;). On the other hand, inkscape has more users too)
18:43 < vonHalenbach> Developers can learn from each other.
18:44 < Yoyobuae> well, inkscape devs can come and learn if they want
18:44 < vonHalenbach> Inkscape has already made friends with the scribus team.
18:46 < rore> whatever happens, I hope that inkscape will add the connecting vertex thing like in synfig ^^
18:48 < vonHalenbach> This is what i mean. You should take the time to learn more about inkscape. This will help you to make synfig better. With the new contacts from Inkscape- developers, Synfig can grow faster and better.
18:49 < vonHalenbach> New concepts. New views.
18:50 < Uiomae> yeah, that's good
18:50 < Uiomae> but see, we have only one real developer, and some of us only patches something here and there
18:51 < Uiomae> maybe you can send a few developers here
18:51 < Uiomae> a few
18:51 < Uiomae> thousands
18:51 < Uiomae> xDD
18:52 < vonHalenbach> I could ask.
18:53 < Uiomae> as rore, half kidding ;)
18:53 < vonHalenbach> Do you have a special problem to solve? Something interesting for our developers?
18:54 < Uiomae> hmm
18:54 < vonHalenbach> It is not, that the source of inkscape is secret or closed.
18:55 < vonHalenbach> We could make something like an exchange student program. 
18:55 < Uiomae> I'm currently porting the renderer of Synfig to OpenGL, so maybe if someone of the Inkscape folks knows OpenGL, she/he could help a little
18:55 < vonHalenbach> I will ask.
18:56 < Uiomae> Yoyobuae wants to change some of the internals of Synfig, but he'll explain better than me
18:56 < Uiomae> also, there is the boring bug list, of course ;)
18:57 < Uiomae> if anyone want to help, there are a lot of places to do so :)
18:57 < vonHalenbach> Every project has boring bugs. Inkscape makes a "bug hunting" from time to time.
18:57 < Uiomae> thats good
18:58 < Uiomae> don't know if synfig has done something similar
18:58 < Uiomae> really I'm the new guy here :P
18:58 < vonHalenbach> Synfig has a very small community. 
18:58 < Yoyobuae> yes
18:58 < vonHalenbach> We could at least bring Synfig to new popularity.
18:58 < rore> Bug hunting for the user or the devs? (I mean, do users do extensive tests to find bugs, or do devs try to solve as much bugs as possible?)
18:59 < Uiomae> yeah, but Synfig has an enormous potential, don't know if you have tried it already
18:59 < vonHalenbach> Both.
18:59 < rore> ok :) I wasn't sure about the meaning 
18:59 < vonHalenbach> Yes, i tried Synfig already. 
19:00 < vonHalenbach> When Bryce announces a bug huntig, the bugs are melting like ice in the summer. :-)
19:00 < Uiomae> jejeje
19:00 < rore> (I can be good to find bugs in synfig, but not to fix them, *sad*)
19:01 < Uiomae> also, bug fixing is a bit difficult as we need a massive cleaning first, IMHO
19:02 < vonHalenbach> Could you explain the cleaning process for new coders? We have a special page for that. Inkscape Janitors.
19:02 < Uiomae> hmm
19:03 < vonHalenbach> Boring tasks, for rookies.
19:03 < Uiomae> clean what you want without broking anything
19:03 < Uiomae> xD
19:03 < Uiomae> sorry, but we don't have anything defined yet
19:03 < Uiomae> that's a bit of a problem
19:03 < vonHalenbach> I think you have to be more precise. Thats the problem.
19:03 < Uiomae> yeah, I know
19:03 < Uiomae> but as I said, I'm the new guy xD
19:04 < rore> (but already rocking :p)
19:04 < vonHalenbach> yeah.
19:04 < Uiomae> yeah, rocking and breaking things!
19:04 < Uiomae> xDD
19:05 < vonHalenbach> As i sayd, the projects can learn from each other.
19:05 < Uiomae> if someone really wants to help, maybe we can set-up a page for the cleaning process
19:05 < Uiomae> and something like code structure, for new developers
19:05 < Uiomae> currently we don't have anything like that, but in the forums are a few posts with info
19:06 < Uiomae> all a bit scattered, though
19:06 < vonHalenbach> Do you think nobody wants to help synfig, so it is not neccesary to setup anything, because it is just a waste of time.
19:06 < vonHalenbach> ?
19:06 < Uiomae> of course not
19:06 < rore> yeah, and a few pages about code on the wiki too, but maybe not enough usefull
19:06 < rore> (the code info)
19:07 < vonHalenbach> You have to point those masses of developers to your problem/work.
19:07 < Uiomae> I myself am helping, so I don't think it isn't neccessary to setup
19:07 < vonHalenbach> Show them where to begin. Thats planning.
19:08 < Uiomae> you're right, of course
19:08 < vonHalenbach> A project needs a leader. Bryce does fill this role in Inkscape.
19:08 < vonHalenbach> Who is your leader?
19:08 < Uiomae> here the leader is pabs, AFAIK
19:08 < Uiomae> isn't it, rore?
19:08 < vonHalenbach> okay.
19:08 < Uiomae> pabs3, wake up!
19:09 < Uiomae> dooglus is the main programmer
19:09 < Uiomae> and genete is something like the co-leader
19:09 < Uiomae> don't really know how to call it
19:09 < vonHalenbach> okay.
19:10 < Uiomae> I'm Uiomae, coder from a week ago
19:10 < Uiomae> pleased to meet you :P
19:11 < rubikcube> and that's all of the devs already more or less, correct? I hope I didn't forget someone
19:11 < Uiomae> no, there are more devs
19:11 < rore> (and Darco the ex-leader? Co-leader?)
19:11 < Uiomae> Gerco, pixelgeek
19:11 < Uiomae> Darco is the original developer
19:11 < rubikcube> ah yes, correct
19:11 < Uiomae> hmm, know there are more programmers
19:11 < Uiomae> don't want to left anyone in the cold, but I don't really know everyone
19:12 < Uiomae> Yoyobuae
19:12 < vonHalenbach> Yes, Synfig already has many developers.
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19:32 < Uiomae> vonHalenbach: if someone wants to take a look at the source, bleeding edge is on http://repo.or.cz/w/synfig.git
19:33 < Uiomae> bones and OpenGL support is there
19:33 < vonHalenbach> okay.
19:33 < vonHalenbach> I already asked in Inkscape and Wesnoth
19:33 < vonHalenbach> I am still waiting for the answers.
19:34 < Uiomae> great!
19:34 < vonHalenbach> Someone asked, why GL when Synfig is 2-D animation.
19:34 < Uiomae> what is wesnoth?
19:34 < Uiomae> using OpenGL boost rendering speed
19:34 < vonHalenbach> #wesnoth-dev
19:35 < vonHalenbach> loonycyborg
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19:41 < dutch201> hi all
19:41 < pixelbot> Hello dutch201
19:41 < dutch201> i am trying to resize an animation so it has a widescreen size
19:41 < Uiomae> hi dutch201
19:42 < dutch201> but when i render it stays at 800x600 (my initial resolution)
19:42 < dutch201> hi uiomae
19:55 < Uiomae> vonHalenbach: has anyone else said anything?
19:56 < vonHalenbach> no. nothing else.
19:56 < Uiomae> ok
19:56 < vonHalenbach> I could ask another game project.
19:56 < Uiomae> that will be great, thanks
19:56 < Uiomae> I'll talk with genete about what you said
19:56 < vonHalenbach> It is a submarine simulation game.
19:56 < Uiomae> and I'm sure pabs and dooglus will read the IRC logs
19:57 < vonHalenbach> I just can't remember the name.
19:57 < Uiomae> danger from the deep?
19:57 < vonHalenbach> YES!
19:57 < Uiomae> :P
19:57 < vonHalenbach> Do you know them?
19:57 < Uiomae> played long time ago
19:57 < Uiomae> don't know them, unfortunately :)
19:58 < vonHalenbach> It is in 3D and opengl
19:58 < vonHalenbach> #dangerdeep
19:58 < Uiomae> we don't really need 3D
19:58 < Uiomae> only 2D :)
19:58 < vonHalenbach> i know. just gl
19:59 < Uiomae> I'll implement a camera when the current functionality is done
19:59 < Uiomae> and will be 3D
19:59 < Uiomae> but until then...
19:59 < rubikcube> danger form the deep? sounds like TFTD :)
20:00 < Uiomae> hehe, love that game
20:00 < Uiomae> xcom :)
20:00 < Uiomae> I've to leave
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20:01 < Uiomae> vonHalenbach: if you get anything or want anything, just come along, most of us reads the logs from time to time
20:01 < vonHalenbach> okay.
20:01 < Uiomae> I hope we could help each other
20:01 < Uiomae> like you said
20:01 < Uiomae> a big family ;)
20:01 < vonHalenbach> Yeah!
20:02 < Uiomae> bye!"
20:02 < vonHalenbach> bye Uiomae 
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20:59 < timonator> heya
20:59 < timonator> what's that i hear about OpenGL?
21:00 < timonator> i hear you need someone who knows a little about it
21:00 < timonator> what are you up to?
21:11 < timonator> or rather: what do you need?
21:21 < rore> heh, the one adding openGL to synfig is disconnected at the moment. (it's Uiomae)
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22:46 < vonHalenbach> rore, do you know the new castle?
22:46 < vonHalenbach> Guidleon
22:46 < rore> ???
22:47 < vonHalenbach> moment
22:48 < vonHalenbach> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gu%C3%A9delon
22:49 < vonHalenbach> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guèdelon
22:49 < vonHalenbach> Could you help to translate their homepage to english?
22:50 < vonHalenbach> http://www.guedelon.fr/
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22:50 < rore> vonHalenbach: http://www.guedelon.fr/en/ ? :)
22:51 < vonHalenbach> Yes, most of it is still in french.
22:51 < vonHalenbach> maybe you can even get paid from them?
22:53 < rore> they should get an english person that speaks french to get a correct translation, not a french one that speaks english ;)
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22:59 < vonHalenbach> maybe there are not many english people who speak french?
23:11 < Yoyobuae> hey vonHalenbach
23:12 < vonHalenbach> jo
23:12 < Yoyobuae> was "busy" for a bit, playing Wesnoth ;)
23:12 < vonHalenbach> long time no see. :)
23:12 < vonHalenbach> okay. Cool game.
23:13 < Yoyobuae> yeah
23:14 < Yoyobuae> i liked what you said
23:14 < vonHalenbach> Thank you. :)
23:14 < Yoyobuae> the synfig project needs to be a bit more organized
23:15 < Yoyobuae> have you read synfig's story?
23:15 < vonHalenbach> Yes, a long time ago.
23:15 < Yoyobuae> well, to me it seems that since synfig inherited its code from the original dev
23:15 < vonHalenbach> I was here last year, already.
23:16 < Yoyobuae> oh i see
23:16 < Yoyobuae> the people here just have been fixing the code, and adding one or another feature to that original code
23:16 < Yoyobuae> without that much organization
23:17 < vonHalenbach> made some suggestions, worked a little bit on the wiki and left, because i couldn't do more. I am no coder.
23:17 < Yoyobuae> i see
23:18 < Yoyobuae> but maybe what we need here is to learn the methods other OSS projects use
23:19 < vonHalenbach> When work is a big dark cloud, you will not work with happiness. You will only do the next thing near you and thats it. It has to be cut in little pieces.
23:19 < vonHalenbach> One piece at a time.
23:20 < Yoyobuae> i agree
23:20 < Yoyobuae> usually, the small things is what get done on synfig
23:21 < vonHalenbach> Someone with the overview should make those little pieces.
23:21 < vonHalenbach> Yes, this is plausible to me.
23:23 < Yoyobuae> i'm afraid that there a lots of big dark clouds over synfig xD
23:23 < vonHalenbach> They have to be identified and cut smaller.
23:24 < Yoyobuae> yes, i agree
23:25 < vonHalenbach> I don't know, maybe you should search for a new maintainer on sourceforge?
23:26 < vonHalenbach> To me this is a ship without a captain.
23:26 < Yoyobuae> hehe, true xD
23:27 < vonHalenbach> I can't lend you bryce, because he is swamped with work.
23:27 < vonHalenbach> :)
23:27 < Yoyobuae> sure, its understandable =)
23:27 < Yoyobuae> i need to go now
23:28 < vonHalenbach> bye
23:28 < Yoyobuae> i'll keep your suggestions in mind
23:28 < vonHalenbach> okay, thank you
23:28 < Yoyobuae> and drop by from time to time, so we can talk again :)
23:28 < vonHalenbach> i will 
23:28 < Yoyobuae> bye
23:28 < vonHalenbach> bye
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23:35 < timonator> oh, vonHalenbach said you needed people who are skilled at opengl
23:35 < timonator> .o(i have to say, though, that i'm not necessarily very skilled)
23:40 < vonHalenbach> You could help Uiomae.
23:41 < vonHalenbach> He wants to change the rendering to GL. To make it faster.
23:41 < vonHalenbach> he has already some thoughts about it. Please ask him another day.
23:44 < timonator> hm
23:45 < timonator> i'm not thoroughly sure that GL can do much good there
23:45 < timonator> compositing yes
23:45 < timonator> rendering no
23:46 < vonHalenbach> You could talk this over with him. He has a plan in mind.
23:46 < timonator> mhm
23:46 < timonator> maybe he's thinking of shaders?
23:46 < timonator> i never fiddled around with shaders :|
23:48 < vonHalenbach> I have heard somewhere, that OpenGL doesn't need to be 3D. It speeds up many graphical things, because it is implemented into the hardware or something.
23:51 < timonator> well
23:51 < timonator> define "3d".
23:52 < timonator> if you mean "render multiple triangles connecting points that are not all on one plane" then yes
23:52 < timonator> by putting all points onto one plane suddenly opengl does 2d graphics, too
23:53 < timonator> opengl is insanely fast when you want to alpha-blend stuff together
23:53 < timonator> and with shaders you can do lots and lots of shiny things for certain
23:53 < timonator> i'm not sure, though, wether it could be useful for things like synfig
23:54 < timonator> i'd have to give it a lot more thought
23:57 < timonator> maybe i'm looking at this the wrong way - and i've also not used synfig in ages :))
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