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01:51 < pixelgeek> later
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05:49 < nikitakit_> Hello
05:57 < krish> heo
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10:11 < Zelgadis> Hey, how can we add a new bug category?
10:26 < rore> what kind?
10:31 < Zelgadis> Exported canvases
10:32 < Zelgadis> Hi rore
10:34 < rore> hi :)
10:34 < rore> this could be a bug category by itself?
10:35 < Zelgadis> Aha. I think it worths to create bug category related to exported canvases usage.
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10:45 < Zelgadis> Hi, genete!
10:45 < genete> hey
10:46  * Zelgadis submitting a lot of bugs related with Exported canvases.
10:46  * genete is learning heaps from Animation Survival Kit ;)
10:47 < Zelgadis> https://sourceforge.net/tracker2/?func=detail&aid=2619286&group_id=144022&atid=757416
10:48 < Zelgadis> Does anyone submitting bug when not all Exported Canvases shown in an Canvas parameter list?
10:49 < genete> Zelgadis: be sure that they are not duplicates. I've submitted lots of them in the past too
10:49 < genete> No, I don't remember
10:50 < Zelgadis> genete: yes, but there are few bugs related to exported canvases now in tracker... strange...
10:50 < rore> (I don't export canvases, just params so far )
10:50 < genete> but check that what is shown in the canvas parameter list is the Description of the canvas rather than the exported name
10:50 < genete> It is confusing, yes
10:52 < genete> Reading to your bug descriptions it seems a bug related to Paste canvas layer refreshment, is that right?
10:52 < Zelgadis> Not only.
10:53 < Zelgadis> The name of layer changes by itself!
10:53 < genete> yes I was refering to paste canvas layer's name
10:54 < genete> but it seems to work fine, isn't it?
10:54 < Zelgadis> yes
10:55 < Zelgadis> But it not works if we:
10:55 < genete> so what's the problem?
10:55 < Zelgadis> 1. create some layer
10:55 < Zelgadis> 2. Encapsulate it
10:55 < Zelgadis> 3. Remove contents of Inline canvas
10:56 < Zelgadis> 4. Switch canvas param
10:56 < Zelgadis> Then the name isn't changing
10:57 < genete> Because it only works when you create a Paste Canvas Layer directly? and the paste canvas obtained from the encapsulate operation works different?
10:57 < Zelgadis> yes
10:57 < genete> Never noticed it :)
10:57 < Zelgadis> ;)
10:57 < genete> so it is a bug yes
10:57 < genete> :D
10:58 < Zelgadis> I'll attach this comments to the bug
10:58 < genete> that I never noticed it? :P
10:58 < Zelgadis> no. We rip that away. ^_^
11:00 < genete> I see only a new bug from you in the tracker... Where are the "lots"?
11:00 < Zelgadis> Just give me a moment ^_~
11:02 < Zelgadis> https://sourceforge.net/tracker2/?func=detail&aid=2619340&group_id=144022&atid=757416
11:11 < genete> Zelgadis: so if there are keyframes around the canvas parameter produces waypoints?
11:14 < Zelgadis> Only if it is a Paste canvas
11:16 < Zelgadis> Agrhhh... Remember my 1-2-3-4 points above?
11:16 < Zelgadis> paste canvas obtained from the encapsulate operation changing its name too!
11:16 < Zelgadis> I was wrong.
11:17 < Zelgadis> So bug 2619286 seems about refreshing only...
11:18 < genete> yea, refreshing is a GTK issue, not a studio issue I think
11:19 < genete> but your last bug seems to be a nice discovery rather than a bug, isn't it?
11:25 < Zelgadis> yes
11:26 < Zelgadis> but still, non-uniform behaviour is a bug
11:28 < genete> but the bug is the other, not this! :)
11:30 < Zelgadis> Anyway it leads to http://synfig.org/Wish_list#Rearrange_the_view_of_waypoints_for_Canvas_param
11:30 < genete> he he he
11:30 < Zelgadis> ^___^
11:31 < genete> I'd love to have a preview of the exported canvas in the canvas panel...
11:32 < Zelgadis> ^^^ Then 2619340 is a bug
11:32 < Zelgadis> ^___^
11:34 < Zelgadis> https://sourceforge.net/tracker2/?func=detail&aid=2619428&group_id=144022&atid=757416
11:36 < genete> Zelgadis: relative to this last bug, I tis due to there is an inline canvas that is binding the visibility of the rest of canvases
11:37 < genete> you can catch other canvas just picking it from the beginnign of the root canvas following the canvas tree naming convention
11:37 < Zelgadis> Yes, I know
11:37 < genete> what, btw, is a pain and I would love to see a canvas broswer for the whole document
11:37 < genete> instead of that criptic tree naming convention
11:37 < Zelgadis> I could just enter exported canvas name there
11:38 < Zelgadis> (if it is at the current document)
11:39 < genete> a canvas navigator with preview (even in external files) is a must to have!! :)
11:40 < Zelgadis> still, a manipulated keyframes I miss more
11:41 < genete> ^___^
11:41 < genete> pixelbot: sudo make him manipulated keyframes!
11:41 < pixelbot> Coming right up!
11:55 < Zelgadis> ^___^
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12:58 < vince38> hello :)
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13:41 < Uiomae> hi all
13:41 < pixelbot> Hello Uiomae
13:42 < Uiomae> hello pixelbot, you are the only real guy, here!
13:42 < pixelbot> Hello Uiomae
13:42 < Uiomae> genete: don't you have a trip to do? :P
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14:04 < genete> heys!
14:04 < genete> oops! gone
14:04 < genete> cheers! :)
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14:59 < Zelgadis> Hey Uiomae!
15:00 < Zelgadis> Guess what?
15:00 < Uiomae> what?
15:02 < Zelgadis> I got compilation errors again -_-''
15:02 < Uiomae> oh,great
15:02 < Uiomae> but didn't you had it compiled already?
15:02 < Zelgadis> it's on studio
15:03 < Zelgadis> Sorry for bothering you, I not sure - it maybe my fault, but I couldn't figure out what I missed...
15:03 < Uiomae> hey, not bother :)
15:03 < Uiomae> what is your HEAD?
15:05 < Zelgadis> 'Added GLU library to Makefile'
15:06 < Uiomae> yeah, that has to be working
15:06 < Uiomae> what are the compiling problems?
15:08 < Zelgadis> http://pastebin.com/m7a28c771
15:10 < Uiomae> yeah, as I told you, you need FTGL for studio to compiole
15:10 < Uiomae> but...
15:10 < prokoudine> Zelgadis: http://code.google.com/p/canaria/
15:10 < Zelgadis> It is installed
15:10 < Uiomae> I think I've added it to configure
15:10 < Zelgadis> And configure detected it
15:10 < Zelgadis> (see beginning of the log)
15:11 < Uiomae> hmm, it's very strange
15:12 < Uiomae> I think it's my bad
15:12 < Uiomae> don't know why I used FTGL in the headers path
15:12 < Uiomae> let me fix it
15:12 < Uiomae> (included path by pkg-config already includes FTGL)
15:12 < Uiomae> sorry :)
15:15 < Zelgadis> What is that 'canaria'? The overview is pretty confusing ^___^
15:16 < Uiomae> ok, I've fixed it, but I cannot commit right now because I have another changes that will broke studio compiling
15:16 < Uiomae> if you really want to compile it, remove "FTGL/" on include path on glPlayfield.h
15:16 < Zelgadis> Uiomae: No progs. I not in hurry.
15:16 < Zelgadis> *probs
15:16 < Uiomae> also, I want to remove FTGL dependancy before anyone tries it
15:17 < Uiomae> because right now a ttf font is needed in the path, and I don't like it
15:17 < Uiomae> well, I can fix it with fontconfig, and studio already has the dependency, so...
15:17 < Uiomae> I'm going to fix it
15:17 < Zelgadis> ^____^
15:57 < Yoyobuae> Zelgadis: canaria seems to use javascript to animate a scene using sprites.
15:57 < Yoyobuae> it also seems to have functions to apply transformations to the sprites in the scene
15:58 < Yoyobuae> that is what i understood from the description and a quick look around at the source (saw an example javacript scene in there)
15:59 < Zelgadis> thanks, Yoyobuae 
15:59 < Zelgadis> and hi ^_^
15:59 < Yoyobuae> hi =)
16:13 < Zelgadis> Groups in synfig are awesome!
16:19 < Uiomae> jeje
16:19 < Uiomae> Zelgadis: can you tell me if you have a /usr/include/fontconfig dir?
16:20 < Uiomae> also, if pkg-config fontconfig --cflags returns anything to you
16:20 < Zelgadis> sure
16:20 < Zelgadis> yes, I do have
16:20 < Zelgadis> [zelgadis@vienkel ~]$ pkg-config fontconfig --cflags
16:20 < Zelgadis>  
16:20 < Zelgadis> [zelgadis@vienkel ~]$ echo $?
16:20 < Zelgadis> 0
16:21 < Zelgadis> empty line
16:21 < Uiomae> yeah
16:21 < Uiomae> it's stramge
16:21 < Uiomae> *strange
16:21 < Uiomae> ok, so I will add <fontconfig/fontconfig.h> header
16:21 < Uiomae> I don't see any other option
16:21 < Zelgadis> In /usr/lib64/pkgconfig/fontconfig.pc:
16:21 < Uiomae> I hope if it is installed in any other place, pkg-config will return it :P
16:21 < Zelgadis> Cflags: -I${includedir}
16:22 < Uiomae> includedir must be the system one
16:28 < Uiomae> ok,  fontconfig is now (hopefully) working :P
16:28 < Uiomae> I'll test when I fix some other problem with the core
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19:42 < Zelgadis> Today's results: http://morevnaproject.org/2009/02/21/stickman-animation/
19:42 < Zelgadis> Bedtime here. Bye!
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20:21 < Yoyobuae> Zelgadis: since stickman setup (and animation) =)
20:21 < Yoyobuae> shows how synfig shines when everything is setup properly
20:22 < Yoyobuae> but the amount of work needed to achieve that setup is sometime a bit worrying xD
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22:07 < rore> Argh, bad stickman, it's not doing what I want (how do I un-link vertices already?)
22:08 < rore> nm, I found it
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22:36 < rore> (why do my cat feel the need to take mud baths? Well, mud bath of the neck only, but still lot of mud) 
23:05 < rore> hey cool, they found Cthulhu home under the sea. http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=31.480209,-24.120483&spn=2.988616,5.026245&t=h&z=8 
23:05 < rore> Err... ok, back to the stickman animation. But the tubes are calling me. 
23:06 < rubikcube> that's more like his city :)
23:08 < rore> yeah, I should have said Cthulhu city, oops :) 
23:08 < rore> Uiomae beware, it's "close" to you :p (for some values of close)
23:10 < rore> It looks too square to be R'lyeh and not enough circular to be atlantis, heh :) 
23:11 < rore> I suppose this is google secret base
23:11 < rubikcube> you know too much about Cthulhu...
23:15 < rore> and you say that just when I talked about google. Is Cthulhu Google master ? :D
23:16 < rore> (wasn't there some userfriendly strip about that once? Hmm... not sure)
23:20 < Uiomae> hey, yeah!
23:20 < Uiomae> maybe I'll visit sometime :P
23:21 < Uiomae> what's that, BTW?
23:23 < rubikcube> just don't say the name too often...
23:27 < rore> Uiomae: just some weird lines on the ocean floor, and some people are going crazy with "this is the atlantis!" :)
23:27 < rore> (well... yeah, atlantis was a city, and that stuff is bigger than several of the canarias island. And there's the same weird parallel patterns west of scotland, but it's a lot bigger)
23:27 < Uiomae> maybe it's a stain on the camera lenses :P
23:29 < Uiomae> http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/google/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=214502197&subSection=News
23:34 < rore> data artifacts... ARTIFACTS! Oh noes, this is even worse than Cthulhu! 
23:35 < rore> (ermm, sorry, I just have a problem with that word since sourceforge used it to say "bug report") 
23:36 < Uiomae> manly girl... are you alright? :P
23:38 < rore> (grah, I'm not manly, I just don't like pink much ^^)
23:39 < Uiomae> xDD
23:39 < Uiomae> but we are manly men and you're the manly girl!
23:40 < rore> Uiomae: well, look at the synfig bug tracker. https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=144022&atid=757416 ... There's this horrible "Add new artifact" that just mean "report a bug". 
23:41 < rore> and "Reporting" does something different but I don't have the rights to see what it is
23:41 < Uiomae> ajajaja, yeah, you're rioght
23:41 < Uiomae> thats odd!
23:41 < Uiomae> :P
23:42 < Uiomae> when will be the "good" tracker fixed?
23:45 < rubikcube> couldn't "artifact" mean any of bug, enhancement request, support request (and maybe more) there?
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23:52 < rore> I suppose so. They should have called it "Report stuff" :)
23:54 < Uiomae> yeah, stuff it's good :P
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