--- Log opened Mon Feb 23 00:00:08 2009
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00:08 < danboid> What fonts / font styles does synfig currently support?
00:10 < danboid> There doesn't seem to be any documentation for the text tool
00:18 < nikitakit_> Hello... 
00:19 < nikitakit_> I think Synfig simply supports what's on your system.
00:29 < pixelgeek_> Yup - an ttf should work
00:29 < pixelgeek_> sorry, any ttf should work
00:33 < pixelgeek_> If you reference them with a path to the ttf filename.  Otherwise, Synfig 'understands' the following 
00:33 < pixelgeek_> Fonts that appear to work under Linux - Courier, Times, Serif, Verdana, Sans Serif.
00:33 < pixelgeek_> Fonts that appear to work under Windows - Arial, Times New Roman/Serif, Verdana/Sans Serif. Courier produces an interesting, but non-legible effect.
00:33 < pixelgeek_> Sans Serif appears to be the default if Synfig doesn't recognize the font. 
00:34 < pixelgeek_> Although it appears to accept styles, nothing is implemented to render them.  
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02:11 < pixelgeek_> Yay for Cadbury's Creme eggs - They're back in season!
02:14 < pixelgeek_> nikitakit_: the delete key is redefined in the latest SVN
02:15 < pixelgeek_> It was a shortcut to delete a layer, but it's been undefined by default now
02:15 < pixelgeek_> You can do the same thing in your shortcut menu preferences. 
02:23 < nikitakit_> pixelgeek_: thank you
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04:12 < pixelgeek_> nikitakit_: the edit bool behaviour may be a GTK feature too.  I don't know GTK well enough to say for sure, but I wouldn't be surprised.  
04:17  * pixelgeek_ just hit his 30th Youtube subscriber.
04:17 < nikitakit_> so that isn't something done in synfig on purpose?
04:18 < pixelgeek_> I doubt it.  There's a couple of other inputs that work the same way
04:18  * nikitakit_ goes to check out pixelgeek's channel
04:18 < pixelgeek_> click once for focus, then again to edit
04:18 < nikitakit_> well, layer inputs don't
04:18 < nikitakit_> the visible? checkbox is clickable at all times
04:19 < pixelgeek_> Hmmm....   Maybe so then.  
04:19 < pixelgeek_> For every example there is an opposite case.  ;)
04:20 < nikitakit_> yea...
04:20 < nikitakit_> How hard is it to build synfig on windows?
04:29 < pixelgeek_> Well, once the environment is set up, it's just a question of leaving the scripts running for an hour.
04:29 < pixelgeek_> Getting the environment working seems to be a big stumbling point.  
04:29 < nikitakit_> and the environment setup?
04:30 < pixelgeek_> I was dead in the water until Atrus posted his recipe, and everything he had to change.
04:30 < pixelgeek_> What's on the wiki is what I follow.  
04:30 < pixelgeek_> Problem is - that's the only way I know how to make it.  
04:30 < pixelgeek_> Changing the version of GTK breaks things
04:31 < pixelgeek_> Imagemagick api can't be built under msys 
04:31 < pixelgeek_> I can't compile akagogo's SVG patch.
04:31 < nikitakit_> I'll probably use cygwin not msys
04:31 < pixelgeek_> and haven't had the time & patience to debug it.  
04:32 < pixelgeek_> Then your mileage may vary!
04:32 < pixelgeek_> What's the difference?  
04:32 < pixelgeek_> They seem to be inextricably linked. 
04:33 < nikitakit_> oh, what's etl?
04:33 < nikitakit_> I don't see any mention of it in Windows packaging
04:33 < pixelgeek_> It's a template library used internally by the source code.
04:34 < pixelgeek_> There's no corresponding exe.
04:43  * pixelgeek_ off to bed
04:43 < pixelgeek_> 'night all
04:43 < Yoyobuae> night
04:43 < nikitakit_> good night
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10:43 < genete> Hey!
10:43 < genete> Is me the only one who read the logs??
10:43 < genete> Yoyobuae: you did it! :)
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10:43 < genete> hey Zelgadis!
10:44 < Zelgadis> Hi, genete! ^_^
10:44 < genete> On 22 Feb Yoyobuae wrote: 
10:45 < genete> 16:06 < Yoyobuae> i got blines to be editable while under bone influence 
10:45 < genete> 16:06 < Yoyobuae> only in bone setup mode, though 
10:45 < genete> That's great!
10:45 < Zelgadis> Wht does it's mean?
10:46 < genete> It means that you we are in the way to have point motion plus bone motion in the same environment
10:46 < Zelgadis> Ah! So it was only bone motion if the point is controlled by bone?
10:46 < genete> It is on setup mode but I think he can find a way to do it in normal bone mode
10:46 < genete> yes
10:46 < Zelgadis> Really, that's great!
10:47 < genete> well you always can edit the blines by hand in the parameter panel...
10:47 < Zelgadis> I didn't understood that phrase
10:47 < Zelgadis> when saw it
10:47 < genete> but do is using ducks is a great thing!
10:47 < genete> yeah! that's why I'm quoting him! :)
10:47 < Zelgadis> Yeah, editing through parameters panel is not cool.
10:48 < Zelgadis> genete: Did you saw my stickman templates?
10:48 < genete> Not yet, only the animation
10:48 < genete> But I guess its setup :)
10:48 < Zelgadis> http://morevnaproject.org/2009/02/21/stickman-animation/ - at the bottom
10:49 < genete> Opening both...
10:52 < genete> Oh cool!, although the first one is a complicated setup, it works pretty well :)
10:52 < genete> And yeah! Groups are cool
10:53 < Zelgadis> Making stickmans i discovered the true power of groups for myself. ^_^
10:53 < Zelgadis> I sure you discovered it much earlier. ^_^
10:55 < genete> Yes, the cutout tutorial took the groups advantages :)
10:57 < genete> http://synfig.org/Groups_Panel
10:58 < Zelgadis> Yes, I knew that, but usage on practice gives amazing experience.
10:59 < Zelgadis> BTW, many things related to Exported canvases behaviour now look very reasonable for me.
11:10 < genete> Zelgadis: are some of those behaviours of the exported canvases not explained in the wiki? Maybe you can find a moment to update it? ;)
11:11 < Zelgadis> They are explained (i.e. Exported canvases and keyframes behaviour)
11:14 < genete> So you didn't discovered nothing really new, right?
11:14 < genete> s/discovered/discover
11:16 < Zelgadis> Yes. But in the past I was against the behaviour of Exported canvases related to keyframes on current canvas. Now it starting to look sane for me.
11:18 < genete> Coming from you, that sentence makes me very happy. :)
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12:51 < Bombe> Do we have some kind of GTK+ helper/utility class somewhere?
12:52  * Bombe is looking for a good place to put a synfig::color -> Gdk::Color converter.
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15:40 < genete> Zelgadis: does pencil supports pen pressure?
15:41 < Zelgadis> genete: It does.
15:41 < Yoyobuae> genete: hey, im back
15:41 < Zelgadis> Hi, Yoyobuae 
15:41 < Yoyobuae> hi
15:42 < genete> hey Yoyobuae :)
15:42 < genete> Zelgadis: Hmm I cannot or don't know how.
15:43 < Zelgadis> genete: I'll check thet. Lil' busy now.
15:46 < Yoyobuae> genete: getting bline ducks working on setup mode was rather straight forward
15:46 < Yoyobuae> when in normal mode, i'll need to play with the transform stack to get them in the right position, though
15:46 < genete> Yoyobuae: cool
15:47 < genete> is it working now for you on normal mode?
15:47 < Yoyobuae> no, i haven't done that part xD
15:48 < genete> well, it is a good start anyway
15:48 < genete> I'm curious how did you make it possible on setup mode
15:48 < Yoyobuae> hehe =)
15:50 < Yoyobuae> 1. check if bline vertex is ValueNode_BoneInfluence
15:50 < Yoyobuae> 2. If so, use the "Link" valuenode to create the duck
15:51 < Yoyobuae> genete: it was a pretty easy change
15:51 < genete> easy when you know the key to touch :)
15:52 < Yoyobuae> yeah, like 75% of the time it took me was browsing the code, and finding out how things work
15:52 < Yoyobuae> refreshing what i forgotten
15:54 < Yoyobuae> question: when bline ducks are editable, what context menu should pop-up when right-clicked
15:54 < Yoyobuae> ?
15:55 < Yoyobuae> genete: i guess the one for the bline vertex, so one could "Split Tangents" and such
15:56 < genete> Yoyobuae: in which mode? setup or normal?
15:57 < genete> I guess that the context menu would be the same than a normal bline duck, for the moment.
15:57 < Yoyobuae> genete: well, if I make them editable in normal mode too, then i guess in both modes
15:58 < genete> If there is a Bone tool (for reparenting, binding and such things) it should provide other context menu
15:59 < Yoyobuae> i see
15:59 < genete> as a blinepoint is under bone influence, you would want to act to the blinepoint itself or the rest of BoneInfluence parameters
15:59 < genete> so it should depend on other context (ie the tool status)
16:00 < genete> so for the normal tool it should still doing "normal" things (ie. link, connect, split tangents, etc) for blinepoints
16:07 < Yoyobuae> genete: what i was worried about was that since the BoneInfluence valuenode replaces the Bline vertex valuenode
16:08 < Yoyobuae> the boneinfluence has in the context menu things like: Insert Item, Remove Item, etc
16:08 < Yoyobuae> since its one item in the bline vertex list
16:09 < Yoyobuae> the Bline vertex inside the boneinfluence's "Link" doesnt have that
16:09 < Yoyobuae> =/
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17:43 < pixelgeek> morningn all
17:54 < genete> morning
18:01  * pixelgeek afk
18:02 < Zelgadis> morning, pixelgeek 
18:04 < genete> Zelgadis: I still not figuring out how to enable pencil pen pressure support. (sorry for the off topic)
18:04 < genete> Gimp and Krita does it well
18:05 < Zelgadis> IIRC there is no need to configure it, just use brush or pencil tool...
18:05  * Zelgadis currently have no pencil nearby
18:18 < Zelgadis> brb
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18:29 < Zelgadis> genete: Which version of Pencil do you have?
18:30 < genete> compiled svn
18:30 < Zelgadis> ah...
18:30 < genete> there is not 64 bit version
18:30 < Zelgadis> yep
18:31 < Zelgadis> Build on 64bit fails
18:35 < Zelgadis> Ok, let's see...
18:35 < Zelgadis> genete: Do you have Pressure checkbox on the options panel?
18:35 < genete> that question is offensive! :P
18:36 < Zelgadis> ^_^''
18:38 < Zelgadis> genete: So you do have and it is checked.
18:38 < Zelgadis> But...
18:39 < Zelgadis> How cursor look like when you use Eraser tool?
18:40 < genete> It is a greyed circle with a cross in the center
18:40 < genete> circle size according to Size slider value
18:43 < Zelgadis> Same here, but pressure works.
18:43 < Zelgadis> I have 0.4.3b though...
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18:44 < Zelgadis> genete: I can post you a compiled binary I have!
18:45 < genete> for 64 bits?
18:45 < Zelgadis> No. 32bit. You'll need the 32bit ming and qt4 to run it. 
18:46 < Zelgadis> I suppose you do have them.
18:46 < Zelgadis> already
18:46 < genete> It is odd. The eraser seems to erase more than the current eraser cursor size
18:48 < Zelgadis> Are you have 64bit Pencil?
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18:48 < genete> yes I have
18:48 < Zelgadis> O_O
18:48 < Zelgadis> cool
18:48 < genete> I don't had problems compiling it
18:48 < Zelgadis> I had problems with 0.4.3b
18:49 < genete> the only thing it doesn't work is pen pressure
18:49 < Zelgadis> OK. It's late here. I'm going to bed. Do you need binary?
18:49  * pixelbot is tired too
18:50 < genete> Zelgadis: No. I don't think that other binary would make the pen pressure working
18:50 < Zelgadis> Of course, pixelbot, but you need to stay awake. ^_^
18:50 < genete> I think it is more a system faliure
18:50 < genete> xorg system I mean
18:51 < Zelgadis> Do you have stylus/eraser devices in your xorg.conf?
18:52 < genete> no. Ubuntu does not use that in current version
18:52 < Zelgadis> That is the case
18:52 < Zelgadis> That may be the cause.
18:53 < genete> all they say: # commented out by update-manager, HAL is now used
18:53 < genete> Eraser is not enabled in Gimp. I hope in next release they come back to the normal management of wacom drivers
18:55 < pixelgeek> !
18:55 < Zelgadis> GIMP is not distinguish eraser and cursor if the devices aren't configured in preferences.
18:56 < Zelgadis> And I was unable to configure devices in preferences until I added devices to xorg.conf
18:56 < Zelgadis> I have recent distro too, BTW - Fedora 10.
18:57 < genete> In Gimp I have to select "Wacom Device Manager" to make the pen pressure of the stylus work. Eraser is not working though
18:57 < genete> It is an Ubuntu 8 . 0 1 known issue
18:57 < Zelgadis> "Wacom Device Manager" not provides full support for tablets.
18:58 < Zelgadis> It is not distinguish eraser and cursor as I said.
18:58 < Zelgadis> Uncomment your devices and be happy. ^_^
18:58 < genete> :
18:58 < genete> :)
18:59 < genete> it says: "Wacom Graphire4 4x4"
18:59 < genete> ups: 4x5
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19:00 < genete> I've recently broken sound support and from now on I'll be less brave on that things :)
19:00 < genete> pixelgeek: btw, I found a way to enable sound support :)
19:00 < pixelgeek> yay!
19:00 < Zelgadis> "Wacom Intuos 9x12" ;) but still I prefer "cursor" and "eraser"
19:02 < Zelgadis> genete: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wacom
19:02 < Zelgadis> There is two options
19:03 < Zelgadis> Your current case is Option A
19:03 < Zelgadis> You need an option B
19:03 < genete> yes I know that pages :)
19:03 < Zelgadis> "Add these sections or uncomment them (removing the # at the beginning of the lines) if they are already present."
19:03 < Zelgadis> bla-bla-bla
19:04 < Zelgadis> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WacomTroubleshooting
19:04 < genete> but I don't want to hang linux when I unplug my wacom :)
19:04 < genete> it doesn't support hotplug if you use case B
19:04 < Zelgadis> Don't unplug it then
19:04 < genete> ^__^
19:05 < Zelgadis> it doesn't support hotplug before Ubuntu 8.10 and Fedora 10
19:05 < pixelbot> For information on Synfig on Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex see http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=277
19:05 < genete> I know
19:05 < Zelgadis> ...and everyone was happy ^______^
19:05 < Zelgadis> still bedtime
19:05 < Zelgadis> night
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19:05 < genete> night
19:10 < pixelgeek> Is this where I do my "It just works under Windows" routine?  ;)
19:11 < pixelgeek> Of course I say that now, with my 32 but CPU....  
19:11 < pixelgeek> I'll be singing a different tune in a couple of months time, I'm sure.  
19:11 < genete> :)
19:12 < Yoyobuae> the problem is when "it just DOESNT work in Windows"
19:12 < Yoyobuae> and there's nothing to do about it xD
19:37 < rore> hi all 
19:37 < pixelbot> Hello rore
19:38 < genete> hello rore. I don't want you to be saluted by a bot only :)
19:38 < pixelgeek> hey rore
19:38 < rore> but, aren't you a bot too? :p 
19:38  * rore hides ^^ 
19:39 < pixelgeek> Coming right up!
19:39 < rore> hi genete and pixelgeek :) 
19:39 < rore> hahahaha
19:39 < genete> well, I'm next generation bot... I come from the future :P
19:39  * pixelgeek cues up Terminator music
19:40  * genete enjoying Picasa face recognition feature
19:45 < pixelgeek> Found Sarah Conner yet?
19:46 < genete> I'm close to.... What's the reason I stick to Synfig?
19:47 < pixelgeek> "It opens up whole new worlds"
19:48 < genete> When I terminate her, the world will never be the same. Close Source will dominate the world! HAHAHAHAHAHAH
19:52 < rore> pixelbot: sudo make genete a good cookie so he'll behave nicely again
19:52 < pixelbot> Coming right up!
19:54 < rore> (oh great, a comment in ... japanese? on flickr... what am I supposed to do with that?)
19:54 < genete> rore: btw, you still being the only woman in Synfig, isn't it? So Genetator will find you very quickly! OMG! =-O
19:55 < rore> yeah, but i'm no sarah O'stuff 
19:55 < rore> and there was another girl, some time ago, where is she gone?
19:56 < genete> He he, deny it won't avoid your destiny...
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19:56 < rore> this chan is not going to raise the percentage of "girls in computing" 
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19:56 < genete> 7 days to go, rore, 7 days...
19:57 < genete> oops, 5 days! it is February!
19:57 < rore> ah, yeah. I have a non-animated stickman, does that count ? ^^
19:58 < genete> Yeah, a zoom in/ou count as animation so you got it!
19:59 < rore> hehe
20:00 < rore> Last time I was very motivated to do the animation. But there were some things that didn't moved like I wanted. Then someone asked some help about gimp. Then I suddently decided to try to learn finnish. Then my cat came in covered in mud. Then ... well... everything was against me, I swear! :D 
20:02  * rore starts synfig while mumbling some "it wasn't my fault, really" 
20:02 < genete> Come on! there are 5 days left! 
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23:04 < Yoyobuae> hey genete
23:04 < genete> hey
23:05 < Yoyobuae> wanna hear some crazy "vector objects" ideas i had xD
23:05 < genete> sure!
23:06 < Yoyobuae> you know how i said that vector objects would show in Layers panel
23:06 < genete> yes
23:06 < genete> like regular layers do now
23:06 < Yoyobuae> i was thinking about how layers form a stack
23:07 < Yoyobuae> each combined with the one bellow
23:07 < genete> that's about the blend method...
23:07 < Yoyobuae> i tried thinking of using a somewhat similar method for vector objects
23:08 < Yoyobuae> but each object wouldn't "blend" with the one bellow
23:09 < genete> or perhaps the blend method is just composite?
23:09 < Yoyobuae> they would form a list of objects, or a stack, as each gets "evaluated"
23:09 < genete> Hmmm 
23:09 < Yoyobuae> the thing is that i dont want the vector information to be lost in the process
23:10 < genete> so you want to have a stack of layers to calculate the pixel information previous to blend them with other layers/objects stack
23:11 < Yoyobuae> not quite, the layers stay as they are
23:11 < Yoyobuae> im talking only about how would vector objects behave
23:12 < genete> yes, in my last sentence layers means vector objects
23:12 < genete> before continue, vector objects are: circle, rectangle, region, outline, star, etc. and NOT gradient, blur, noise distort, etc, right?
23:13 < Yoyobuae> yes
23:14 < genete> ok
23:14 < Yoyobuae> but also other new vector objects i have planned =)
23:14 < genete> =)
23:15 < Yoyobuae> the idea is to process the "vector information" before it gets rendered
23:15 < Yoyobuae> right now in synfig, that is done exclusively with valuenodes
23:16 < Yoyobuae> valuenodes have their limitations, they work with one value at a time
23:16 < genete> it is clear
23:16 < Yoyobuae> they cant take a whole shape and rotate it, for example
23:17 < Yoyobuae> or if its done with valuenodes, you end up having to apply converts to each vertex
23:17 < genete> well, it depends on which valuenode level you work
23:18 < genete> regarding to the current bone implementation, each blinepoint is a bone influence type but its influence list is different from blinepoint to blinepoint. And that's the greatness of bones
23:19 < Yoyobuae> yes i understand that
23:19 < genete> as you already know there are weights to alter the bone influence from one blinepoint to other
23:20 < genete> but anyway, valuenodes works only on a single value each time, yes
23:20 < genete> please continue the speech :)
23:20 < Yoyobuae> the thing is that those weights are rather burried inside the param panel
23:20 < Yoyobuae> did you see Zelgadis stickman template?
23:21 < genete> there are some proposals to have a good interface for those weights
23:21 < genete> yes I did
23:21 < Yoyobuae> the way he used groups to control the skeleton, that could work for vector objects too
23:22 < Yoyobuae> if ducks are displayed for each of the vector objects, then adding to a group would make it easy to show all the ducks one needs
23:23 < genete> well, groups still containing layers that are in bad side of pixel operation
23:23 < genete> so you suggest to have a meta-layer
23:23 < genete> made of vertices only
23:23 < genete> like groups does for layers
23:23 < genete> right?
23:24 < Yoyobuae> yes, made only of vertices
23:24 < Yoyobuae> vectors (x,y)
23:25 < genete> did you find any drawback?
23:25 < genete> I mean, what would we sacrifice?
23:26 < Yoyobuae> well, i was trying to imagine bones using vector objects instead
23:26 < genete> for example, hit_check would work as well?
23:27 < Yoyobuae> you mean for selecting using mouse?
23:27 < genete> yes
23:28 < Yoyobuae> well, i guess if it is possible to calculate if a point (mouse position) lies inside of a shape
23:28 < Yoyobuae> then hit_check would work
23:29 < Yoyobuae> just need to write that code xD
23:29 < genete> I guess so. Just trying to scary you ;)
23:29 < genete> and what about the feather capabilities?
23:29 < genete> would individual objects have feather capabilities independent of the other objects of the stack?
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23:32 < Yoyobuae> feathering is important when objects are rendered
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23:33 < Yoyobuae> the objects are just rendered one by one, from bottom to top
23:33 < Yoyobuae> using some feather value
23:33 < Yoyobuae> thats another thing i was thinking about
23:34 < Yoyobuae> the current shape layers have a whole bunch of parameters
23:34 < Yoyobuae> almost too many parameters XD
23:34 < genete> ??
23:34 < genete> and?
23:36 < Yoyobuae> for vector objects, while processing the a bline, for example
23:36 < Yoyobuae> the value used for feathering, or for color, has nothing to do
23:36 < Yoyobuae> not until the shape needs to be rendered
23:37 < genete> that's useful now because they are complete rendered objects
23:38 < Yoyobuae> what i was thinking is that that kind of information could be attached to the object
23:38 < genete> but if you remove the color parameter from the object even, what color would you use? the same for all vector objects in the stack?
23:38 < genete> color should be attached to the individual object in any way
23:40 < Yoyobuae> the thing is that i want vector objects to represent many things, other than shapes
23:40 < Yoyobuae> for example, a transform matrix
23:40 < genete> Hmmm
23:40 < genete> that would restrict transformations to the stack order
23:40 < Yoyobuae> then that could be applied to other vector objects (the ones bellow in the stack for example)
23:41 < genete> and I don't like that
23:41 < Yoyobuae> hehe i knew you would say that =)
23:41 < genete> current bones design allows to influence to any blinepoint in any place :=)
23:42 < genete> that's the main reason to don't make bones as layers
23:42 < genete> because the bones hierarchy and the bones influence is limited from layer stack order 
23:42 < Yoyobuae> but with vector objects we have an advantage
23:43 < Yoyobuae> a vector object sees a whole list of all the objects that are under him
23:43 < Yoyobuae> there only needs to be a way to distinguish one from another
23:44 < Yoyobuae> my idea: tags
23:44 < Yoyobuae> a tag can be applied to any vector object
23:44 < Yoyobuae> then that tag can be use later on to select which objects get transformed
23:45 < Yoyobuae> am i making sense?
23:45 < Yoyobuae> xD
23:45 < genete> it is like a pipe to connect the transformation object to the object to be transformed.
23:45 < genete> if Uiomae were here he would call that nodes :)
23:45 < Yoyobuae> yeah, or a filter
23:46  * pixelgeek would like to see a layer belong to more than one group at a time
23:46 < genete> but nodes (in Uiomae meaning) doesn't need any stack order
23:46 < Yoyobuae> yeah they dont
23:46 < genete> it just connect a transformation object to a vector object
23:47 < Yoyobuae> but the current interface (layers panel) kinda forces the stack like behavior
23:47 < Yoyobuae> the thing is that the connection would be one to one
23:47 < pixelgeek> (Like the stack of animation transparencies)
23:48 < genete> that's the change, visualize the nodes connection in other panel or field.
23:48 < Yoyobuae> what if i want many objects conected to a single transform
23:48 < Yoyobuae> i have to click the object, click transform, click next object, click transform, etc
23:49 < Yoyobuae> not to mention that if i delete the transform, all the connections go bye-bye
23:49 < genete> not really. Just select the transformation object and all the objects to transform and create a pipe for all them in once click
23:49 < genete> same happen if you delete the layer
23:49 < genete> the transformation object, sorry
23:50 < Yoyobuae> but think how would that work for bones with weights ;)
23:50 < genete> oh well, using the current stack keeps some grouping information
23:51 < genete> (23:50:28) Yoyobuae: but think how would that work for bones with weights ;) <<< I'm lost here :)
23:51 < Yoyobuae> i mean using connections between nodes
23:52 < Yoyobuae> connect object A to bone B makes object A influenced by bone B
23:52 < Yoyobuae> but what about 2 bones B and C with weights
23:52 < genete> current bone design do some sort of that. Select a blinepoint under bone influence and all the bones that can influence it would be shown as well.
23:53 < genete> in that case each node would have a weight parameter
23:53 < Yoyobuae> each object?
23:54 < genete> or you need a connector object that does the sum of the nodes in terms of bone influence
23:55 < genete> bone1->node(weight)->collector1->object1
23:55 < genete> bone2->node2(weight2)->collector1->object1
23:55 < genete> collector1 does the magic
23:56 < genete> adding properly each transformation with the weight of the node
23:56 < genete> and obtaining a weighted average of influences
23:56 < genete> for an object
23:56 < Yoyobuae> yeah, i guess that would work
23:56 < genete> but again, a blinepoint is influenced by several bones!
23:57 < Yoyobuae> yeah, each blinepoint connects to multiple bones
23:57 < genete> so the magic should be done at blinepoint level! as it is now in current bone design
23:57 < genete> so for objects (blines) there is not sense to do "bones magic"
23:58 < genete> because for that you have the current rotate, translate and scale layers
23:58 < Yoyobuae> hehe
23:58 < Yoyobuae> what if objects could be blinepoints =)
23:59 < Yoyobuae> then each can be manipulated indepently
23:59 < genete> them you're going backwards!
23:59 < genete> you mentioned that valuenodes ONLY work on one value each time
23:59 < genete> that already exists
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