--- Log opened Tue Feb 24 00:00:07 2009
--- Day changed Tue Feb 24 2009
00:00 < genete> s/them/then
00:01 < genete> I see the point of create objects for quick render
00:02 < genete> even for quick transformations (rotate, scale, translate)
00:02 < genete> but bones needs to work at blinepoint level
00:03 < genete> if you want powerful bones of course! :)
00:03 < Yoyobuae> yeah but think what happens when you have multiple blinepoint objects one on top another
00:03 < Yoyobuae> they get pushed into the stack
00:03 < Yoyobuae> grouping them
00:03 < Yoyobuae> but if there is a way to tag them
00:03 < Yoyobuae> then its possible to manipulate some of them
00:03 < Yoyobuae> even better if tags can carry a value (a real number for example)
00:03 < Yoyobuae> well, thats what im trying here :P
00:04 < genete> oh wait a minute!
00:04  * genete re-reading those last ones
00:05 < Yoyobuae> i'm starting to think that it would be useful if i made a small program to demonstrate these concepts
00:06 < Yoyobuae> because explaining them with words, its not something im very good at xD
00:08 < genete> I don't have the last word on bones. I just have one thing clear: bones must be able to influence to more than a blinepoint each time. A bilnepoint can be influenced by more than one bone. Those influences can be customized and animated parameters. The way it were implemented is not important if those features are achieved
00:08 < genete> do you agree that?
00:09 < Yoyobuae> yes
00:10 < genete> I'm completely open to new researches on how to achieve that rules. But it is a pita that current path (bones code in git) were not finished. 
00:11 < Yoyobuae> i agree that the vector objects thing is not something that will come any time soon xD
00:12 < Yoyobuae> so probably finishing the current bone implementation would be better
00:13 < Yoyobuae> i just wanted to refine the vector objects concept a bit more
00:13 < Yoyobuae> so i started thinking what would bones be like with vector objects =)
00:15 < genete> talking about it is always good. (I refer to vector objects concept). State some definitions would be good too. It would help us to continue discussion later and refine concepts. Is it worth to write it (maybe just copy the logs) to the wiki?
00:16 < Yoyobuae> i think i need to write a good explanation for it, but ive been lazy xD
00:19 < genete> You are the best candidate on that! ;)
00:26 < Yoyobuae> the thing is i'm still wondering if vector objects will have the flexibility and power needed
00:27 < Yoyobuae> when making an animation, the goal is to describe how things behave, instead of how things are
00:27 < genete> needed? Anything is better than render each layer each time if all they are just composited vectors. 
00:28 < genete> Anyway, it is my bed time. Good night
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00:28 < Yoyobuae> night
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13:59 < genete> Zelgadis: I've enabled pen pressure in pencil ^__^
13:59 < genete> selecting option B :)
13:59 < Zelgadis> Hey, genete!
14:00 < Zelgadis> Congratulations! ^__^
14:00 < genete> I start enjoying FBF animation!!! :D
14:00 < Zelgadis> Now GIMP should work properly too.
14:00 < genete> yeah, eraser works now like a charm
14:00 < genete> but buttons and wheel in the pad still buggy
14:01 < genete> do strange things
14:01 < Zelgadis> Yes, FBF is cool. It's easy to make draft animation in pencil and then clean version in Synfig.
14:01 < genete> and pencil is perfect for timing
14:02 < Zelgadis> Yes!
14:02 < genete> what I miss in pencil is some way to reset the worksapce. I'm lost with zoom and rotation of it.
14:02 < genete> I guess that there are some shortcut(?)
14:02 < Zelgadis> genete: add another camera layer
14:02 < Zelgadis> ~_^
14:03 < genete> what does help other camera?
14:03 < genete> to draw I need to select the bitmap or vector layer
14:04 < Zelgadis> ah I see
14:04 < genete> and if it is rotated I don't know how to reset it to 0 degrees
14:04 < Zelgadis> Alt+Double click
14:04 < Zelgadis> Ctrl+Double click resets zoom
14:05 < genete> aaah! those NON intuitive shortcuts! (like synfig ones! ;))
14:06 < genete> cool
14:07 < Zelgadis> Now you understand why I asked for animated sketch in synfig? ;)
14:07 < Zelgadis> Though, pencil fills that gap.
14:07 < genete> :D
14:08 < genete> sorry Zelgadis, need to go. Keep Morevna's project up! ;)
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14:08 < Zelgadis> Thanks! Keeping it up!
14:10 < Zelgadis> genete: this will help you fix buttons and wheel in the pad: http://linuxwacom.sourceforge.net/index.php/howto/xsetwacom
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16:02 < Zelgadis> Hey, genete
16:02 < genete> hey
16:02 < genete> reading xsetwacom manual :)
16:02 < Zelgadis> What do you think about hooking Morevna commit messages to CIA-47 too?
16:03 < genete> It would be cool.
16:04 < Zelgadis> Then... Who is the owner of the CIA-47 bot?
16:04 < genete> I think that it was set up by the owner of the chat. In this case pabs3?
16:05 < genete> it is a shared bot
16:05 < genete> so it seems that some sort of account has to be set to use its work
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16:10 < genete> Zelgadis: http://cia.vc/doc/adding-projects/
16:11 < Zelgadis> Found, thanks!
16:11 < CIA-47> MorevnaProject: Konstantin Dmitriev master * rdd6bdef4812c demo/13/animatic.sif: 13: Inverse camera motion.
16:11 < CIA-47> MorevnaProject: Konstantin Dmitriev master * r3dcc5c298672 demo/ (9 files in 4 dirs): Tuned animatic for scenes 13,14,15.
16:12 < Zelgadis> ^_^
16:12 < genete> :)
16:13 < Zelgadis> genete: I've inserted Ivan's image from scene 14 traced by you into the animatic.
16:13 < genete> Nice!
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16:28 < vonHalenbach> hi
16:28 < genete> hi
16:28 < Zelgadis> hi, vonHalenbach 
16:28 < vonHalenbach> what version of libdv do you use?
16:28 < vonHalenbach> encodedv --version
16:29 < Zelgadis> genete: If you'll add a little hair movement to scene 14, that will look cool.
16:30 < Zelgadis> vonHalenbach: libdv-1.0.0-5.fc10.x86_64
16:30 < genete> vonHalenbach: encode: version CVS 01/14/2001, http://libdv.sourceforge.net/
16:30 < vonHalenbach> okay, more please
16:30 < vonHalenbach> i have the same as genete.
16:31 < genete> Zelgadis: great!. How many seconds/frames?
16:31 < vonHalenbach> And i have xubuntu 8.10 installed here.
16:31 < pixelbot> For information on Synfig on Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex see http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=277
16:31 < Zelgadis> genete: update your repository, the length of .sif file is set.
16:32 < genete> ok
16:32 < Zelgadis> but movement should be slow, like from tender wind waves
16:33 < vonHalenbach> I think that this version is veeery old. Why did they use such an old version in ubuntu 8.10?
16:33 < pixelbot> For information on Synfig on Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex see http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=277
16:33 < genete> Zelgadis: btw, I'm seeing strange windows behaviour after enable version B of wacom. I only can raise a window if I click on its bar title. Clicking on its body doesn't raise it (nor focus it)
16:34 < vonHalenbach> I would like to test, if this file still has the mpeg chroma bug. Could someone encode something red to dv output?
16:46 < genete> vonHalenbach: http://www.mediafire.com/?s2v3towcxxd this is a one second mpg video of a red background.
16:46 < vonHalenbach> thanks!
16:48 < vonHalenbach> i can't see it. could you send it on another way? Or could yourself look, if the chroma bug is in there?
16:48 < genete> I see a nice red background. That's all
16:49 < vonHalenbach> genete, http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=94
16:49 < genete> Zelgadis: I'm typing my password badly?
16:49 < genete> did you send it to me?
16:49 < Zelgadis> genete: Something wrong?
16:50 < genete> I type the password in the console to fetch from demo but it refuses it 
16:50 < genete> did I receive the password by mail?
16:50 < Zelgadis> Yes, it should be in your mailbox.
16:53 < genete> Zelgadis: which mail box? I don't see it :/
16:54 < Zelgadis> Hmm... The one you specified when registering on tuxfamily.org
16:54 < Zelgadis> Search a mail from tuxfamily
16:55 < genete> ah ok
16:56 < Zelgadis> genete: Just in case: https://panel.tuxfamily.org/lost.pl
16:56 < genete> ok, thanks
16:56 < genete> this evening I'll give a try to Demo 14 ;)
16:56 < Zelgadis> You may change your password later by logging in to panel https://panel.tuxfamily.org/panel.pl
16:56 < Zelgadis> Cool
16:56 < genete> as usual have to go! Hurry man! :)
16:56 < genete> cheers bye
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16:57 < Zelgadis> Good lucj!
16:57 < Zelgadis> *luck
16:57 < Zelgadis> genete: See also: http://morevnaproject.org/2009/02/22/morevna-packages/
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17:06 < vonHalenbach> btw, what is a hermite?
17:06 < Zelgadis> vonHalenbach: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermite_spline
17:07 < vonHalenbach> oh, thank you!
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23:06 < BattleStarJesus>  I am having trouble with this http://paste.ubuntu.com/122563/ any suggestions?
23:09 < rore> BattleStarJesus: yep 
23:10 < rore> pixelbot: ubuntu link, please
23:10 < rore> rah, bad bot
23:10 < rore> pixelbot: ubuntu ibex
23:10 < pixelbot> For information on Synfig on Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex see http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=277
23:10 < rore> ok. So, see that link, I think there's a description of that problem there
23:10 < rore> (and the solution)
23:11 < BattleStarJesus> Thats awesome, I'll try it.
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23:58 < BattleStarJesus> IT WORKS AWESOME!!! THANKS DUDES!!
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