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00:25 < genete> Yoyobuae: my branch will join yours. Great!
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11:45 < genete> hi
11:45 < genete> hi all
11:45 < pixelbot> Hello genete
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12:04 < genete> hey Zelgdis
12:04 < Zelgadis> hey, genete!
12:04 < Zelgadis> Shading is ready!
12:05 < genete> (I've ommited the 'a' for its bad meaning)
12:05 < genete> for Demo 14?
12:06 < Zelgadis> yes
12:06 < genete> cool
12:07 < genete> one question of animation:
12:07 < genete> if you want to make a walk cycle from A to B and the distance from A to B is not an integer number of normal steps, how would you proceed?
12:08 < genete> 1) do normal walk and adjust final step
12:08 < genete> 2) Adjust steps to fit in an integer number
12:08 < genete> 3) other
12:08 < genete> ??
12:10 < genete> What do we do in real world?
12:11 < Zelgadis> 1)
12:12 < Zelgadis> and adjust first step ;)
12:12 < Zelgadis> too
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12:13 < genete> it seems the reasonable way but, do we do that in real world?
12:13 < Zelgadis> I think yes
12:13 < genete> in real world I think that we continously adjust the step to make fit it the three last steps
12:13  * Zelgadis walking in his room
12:14 < genete> and do the whole walk as normal steps
12:14 < Zelgadis> Ha-ha, maybe!
12:14 < Zelgadis> But it's too complex
12:14 < genete> nobody decreases his velocity exactly in the last step!
12:15 < genete> the velocity (and therefore the step length) is decreasing as the target is getting closer
12:15 < genete> not so obvious I think xD
12:16 < Zelgadis> Yes! ^__^
12:45 < Zelgadis> Ok, I'll push when I get home.
12:45 < Zelgadis> till later
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13:49 < CIA-47> MorevnaProject: Konstantin Dmitriev master * r6ba1e2bce9f8 demo/14/shading.jpg: 14: Shading (by Natalya Neverova).
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14:45 < Yoyobuae> my PC is playing jokes on me:
14:45 < Yoyobuae> # ifdown eth0
14:45 < Yoyobuae> ifdown: interface eth0 not configured
14:45 < Yoyobuae> # ifup eth0
14:45 < Yoyobuae> ifup: interface eth0 already configured
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15:16 < genete> Zelgadiss: I've seen Demo 14 shade image. How  many shade levels do you want? one? a gradient?
15:20 < genete> also, are some of the shade contours animated as the hair is animated too?
15:24 < Zelgadiss> genete: Two levels. But if needed more - then add more. No gradient.
15:24 < genete> ok
15:25 < Zelgadiss> Don't animate them yet. Let's see how it will look. ^_^
15:25 < genete> ok
15:25 < genete> keep the blood with same color?
15:25 < genete> I'd love to make it red! :)
15:26 < Zelgadiss> Yes. I will give coloring task to someone who are less skilled with synfig than you.
15:26 < Zelgadiss> Well, make it red, if you like!
15:26 < Zelgadiss> ^___^
15:27 < genete> :)
15:27 < genete> I'll do my best! :)
15:46 < genete> Zelgadiss: it is a pain to match the shaded jpeg with the current version of the sif file :/
15:46 < Zelgadiss> genete: NP. Let me do it
15:47 < genete> I've got it now
15:47 < genete> but was a pain :)
15:48 < Zelgadiss> Hmmm... Usually i do it with a semi-transparent layer, one rotete layer and one zoom layer.
15:48 < genete> for future I think that you should place the zoom and translate layers outside the context to allow make them on/off
15:48 < genete> yes that's what I've done
15:48 < genete> but it should be automatic
15:48 < genete> I mean
15:48 < genete> the shading should be done in a file that won't be the final composition
15:49 < genete> and the final composition pull from that file, got the idea?
15:49 < genete> I mean 14.sif shouldn't be the composition and the working file
15:50 < genete> I should be able to modify Ivan's shade without touch 14.sif and do that in other file
15:50 < Zelgadiss> Yes, I know - split ivan to another file.
15:50 < genete> yes
15:50 < Zelgadiss> That's what I'm doing right now for scene 20.
15:51 < genete> anyway, I'll do as it is now, no problem :)
15:51 < Yoyobuae> like a synfig assembly line =)
15:51 < Zelgadiss> But as it goes well for scene 14 - it's a bit late. ^_^
15:54 < Zelgadiss> Also it's our fault - we forgot to set size marks on the image to simplify the matching.
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15:54 < genete> Zelgadiss: I'm going to delete the not yet used image files of reference. Okay? 
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15:54 < Zelgadiss> genete: No, don't delete them. For historical reasons ^_^
15:54 < genete> ok
15:54 < genete> but it is in git ;)
15:55 < genete> I mean the imported image layers not the image files themselves! :)
15:55 < Zelgadiss> Who will dig deep into git history to carry them out? The source should be educational.
15:56 < Yoyobuae> make an "educational" branch :P
15:56 < genete> for educational reasons we should have kept the partial works in different files. Now it is impossible what were they for
15:57 < Zelgadiss> genete: Don't be so pedantic! ^____^
15:57 < Zelgadiss> Just hide them. ;)
15:58 < genete> ha!
15:58 < genete> I wont reply ;)
15:58 < Zelgadiss> That's also what I'm doing with zoom/translate layers inside of context for scene 14
15:59 < rore> hi Zelgadiss and pedantic genete ;)
15:59 < Zelgadiss> hi, rore 
16:00 < Zelgadiss> But I agree, what generally characters should be separated from camera movement and other things.
16:00 < genete> rore: please call me: General Electronic Neohuman Engineered for Thorough Exploration form now on
16:00 < Zelgadiss> lol
16:00 < Zelgadiss> supper here
16:01 < Yoyobuae> can we call you G.E.N.E.T.E. instead? =)
16:01 < Yoyobuae> for shortness
16:01 < Yoyobuae> or GENETE maybe
16:01 < Yoyobuae> or just genete =p
16:02 < rore> genete: ok, and call me Ravenous Ogre from the Ruined Earth please ^^
16:02 < genete> hahahah, nice!
16:02 < rore> well, using the same generator 
16:02 < rore> genete: http://sexy.namedecoder.com/webimages/handcuffs-m-GENETE.png :]
16:03 < Yoyobuae> rore: LOL, naughty?
16:04 < rore> (this namedecoder stuff is fun. I saw the links here yesterday but the conversation was ended so I didn't add anything) 
16:05 < rore> Yoyobuae: hmm? http://sexy.namedecoder.com/webimages/champagne-m-YOYOBUAE.png 
16:05 < rore> backrubs \o/
16:06 < genete> lol
16:06 < genete> http://sexy.namedecoder.com/webimages/heart-m-ZELGADIS.png
16:08 < rore> (ok, today's new english vocabulary for me: arousing. How could I have lived without that word? XD )
16:09 < genete> http://sexy.namedecoder.com/webimages/heart-m-SYNFIG.png
16:15 < Zelgadiss> Well, my name is decoded very well as cyborg and as sexy. ^__^
16:30 < krish> waa
16:30 < krish> i done that too
16:39 < prokoudine> http://sexy.namedecoder.com/webimages/heart-m-PROKOUDINE.png
16:39 < prokoudine> hm
16:50 < rore> Ahaha, naughty embraces. Now that explains why you are on #gimp too, prokoudine ^^ 
16:51 < prokoudine> yeah
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17:20 < CIA-47> MorevnaProject: Konstantin Dmitriev master * r21c332d46b03 demo/20/ (9 files): 20: Morevna stickman motion - first draft.
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19:04 < CIA-47> MorevnaProject: Konstantin Dmitriev master * rea0e535dcee7 production/ (demo lib/colorchart-ivan.sif): Ivan colorchart: Color values are exported now.
19:16 < timonator> valuenode_const.cpp: In member function ‘virtual synfig::String synfig::ValueNode_Const::get_string() const’:
19:16 < timonator> valuenode_const.cpp:169: error: ‘const class synfig::ValueBase’ has no member named ‘get_string’
19:16 < timonator> :(
19:17 < genete> timonator: what's the context of the error message?
19:18 < timonator> making synfig-core
19:18 < timonator> g++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I../.. -I../../src -I../../libltdl -I/usr/include/libxml++-2.6 -I/usr/lib/libxml++-2.6/include -I/usr/include/libxml2 -I/usr/include/glibmm-2.4 -I/usr/lib/glibmm-2.4/include -I/usr/include/sigc++-2.0 -I/usr/lib/sigc++-2.0/include -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/include/sigc++-2.0 -I/usr/lib/sigc++-2.0/include -DSYNFIG_NO_DEPRECATED -DLOCALEDIR=\"/share/locale\" -DLIBDIR=\"/lib\" ...
19:18 < timonator> ... -DSYSCONFDIR=\"/etc\" -DNDEBUG -O2 -W -Wall -MT libsynfig_la-valuenode_const.lo -MD -MP -MF .deps/libsynfig_la-valuenode_const.Tpo -c valuenode_const.cpp  -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/libsynfig_la-valuenode_const.o
19:18 < timonator> and then this error
19:19 < Yoyobuae> timonator: that wasn't a DEBUG build, right?
19:19 < timonator> i didn't specify debug anywhere. should i?
19:19 < Yoyobuae> the "get_string" function is supposed to be defined and used only on debug builds
19:20 < timonator> strange.
19:20 < Yoyobuae> but it gets used in normal builds on some file, but not defined
19:20 < timonator> oh, so i'll just make it a debug build and be happy
19:21 < Yoyobuae> that would be a quick solution
19:21 < timonator> yeah, i don't feel like fixing synfig right now
19:21 < timonator> is it a configure switch?
19:21 < Yoyobuae> not sure
19:23 < Yoyobuae> --enable-debug
19:23 < timonator> thanks
19:23 < Yoyobuae> that seems to be the configure switch
19:25 < Yoyobuae> timonator: "--enable-debug yes"
19:29 < timonator> i did something wrong
19:29 < timonator> same error
19:30 < timonator> no, different error
19:30 < Yoyobuae> oh
19:31 < timonator> ../synfig/.libs/libsynfig.so: undefined reference to `synfig::ValueBase::get_string() const'
19:33 < Yoyobuae> maybe 'make clean' then 'make'
19:34 < Yoyobuae> or if you dont want to compile everything again
19:34 < timonator> ok i'll try that. i thought it would recompile all after a reconfigure
19:35 < Yoyobuae> you could go to where 'value.cpp' is and recompile that dir only
19:35 < timonator> my comp's fast ;)
19:36 < Yoyobuae> hehe, good for you.  it takes at least 10 minutes for a compile in mine xD
19:37 < Zelgadiss> bedtime here
19:37 < Zelgadiss> night!
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21:17 < timonator> ../../src/synfigapp/value_desc.h: In member function ‘etl::handle<synfig::ValueNode> synfigapp::ValueDesc::get_value_node() const’:
21:17 < timonator> ../../src/synfigapp/value_desc.h:131: error: no matching function for call to ‘synfig::Canvas::find_value_node(const synfig::String&, bool)’
21:17 < timonator> what did i do wrong?
21:48 < Yoyobuae> timonator: weird
21:49 < timonator> :(
21:51 < Yoyobuae> can you look in synfig core source 'src/synfig/canvas.h'?
21:51 < timonator> i can
21:51 < Yoyobuae> see if that function is defined
21:51 < Yoyobuae> what sources are you using, the ones from git?
21:52 < timonator> yes
21:52 < timonator> from the newest git head i could find
21:52 < Yoyobuae> which branch?
21:54 < timonator> refs/heads/yoyobuae_bones
21:54 < timonator> is pulled into my master branch
22:16 < Yoyobuae> timonator: i dont know why that error happens xD
22:16 < Yoyobuae> i'm gonna try to compile to see if i can get it
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22:40 < Yoyobuae> timonator: did you do 'make' and 'make install' for synfig-core?
23:16 < timonator> yes
23:18 < timonator> oh
23:18 < timonator> maybe i didn't set the pkgconfig path correctly yet
23:19 < Yoyobuae> but then it should complain about not finding "canvas.h" or something
23:19 < timonator> hm.
23:20 < timonator> yeah, didn't help
23:22 < Yoyobuae> what i think it might be happening is that the canvas.h installed on /usr/local/include/synfig-0.0/synfig/ is an old version
23:23 < Yoyobuae> so it has a missing function
23:26 < timonator> oh!
23:26 < timonator> that might be it!
23:26 < timonator> must, actually
23:27 < timonator> how can i uninstall if i already lost the source tree? :/
23:27 < timonator> well, if theres synfig folders, it should all be fine
23:28 < timonator> i love you
23:28 < timonator> no
23:28 < timonator> still doesn't work
23:28 < timonator> yes, it will work now
23:31 < timonator> sometimes i can't believe how stupid i am
23:31 < timonator> it should have stared me right in the eye... "/usr/local/include/etl/..."
23:36 < Yoyobuae> same error?
23:41 < timonator> no
23:42 < timonator> making, wait please
23:42 < timonator> probably going to succeed now
23:49 < timonator> i appear to have succeeded installing it
23:49 < timonator> thanks a lot
23:49 < timonator> yay
23:53 < Yoyobuae> congrats =)
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