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05:33 < pixelgeek> Any ubuntu users around?
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11:18 < genete> pixelgeek, don't tell me that you're testing ubuntu as possible migration! :)
11:18 < genete> morning, btw
11:27 -genete:#synfig- Sinfig virtual server machine will be down during an hour approximately for maintenance issues. Please stop editiong wiki, forum. Thanks
11:28 -genete:#synfig- Sinfig virtual server machine will be down during an hour approximately for maintenance issues. Please stop editiong wiki, forum. Thanks
11:29 -genete:#synfig- Sinfig virtual server machine will be down during an hour approximately for maintenance issues. Please stop editiong wiki, forum. Thanks
11:29 < genete> Hey! Virtual server machine will be down during an hour approximately for maintenance issues. Please stop editiong wiki, forum. Thanks. ******************
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12:33 < genete> ******synfig vps is now upgraded to debian lenny :)
12:39 < genete> stupid irc client!. I typed three times the /notice message because it didn't show me it in my client
12:39 < genete> I see them now in the logs :D
12:39 < genete> and it was exactly an hour!  hhahaha
13:00 < rore> hehe :) Well, at least I suppose no one missed the message.
13:01  * Zelgadis was asleep.
13:01 < Zelgadis> Morning everyone!
13:01 < genete> morning all
13:02  * genete cries about another month without rore's challenge entry :'-(
13:03 < rore> ah, oops, aren't we the 29 of february today? ^^... I think I'll try to make my entry before february, 35th :D 
13:04 < genete> poor people who were born at February 29th ;)
13:13 < rore> well, I hope they still get birthday presents more than once every 4 years
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13:37 < Uiomae> hi
13:37 < Zelgadis> Hey, Uiomae! 
13:38 < Zelgadis> Long time no see!
13:38 < Uiomae> hey Zelgadis ;)
13:38 < Uiomae> yeah, I know
13:38 < Uiomae> I've been very busy this days
13:38 < Uiomae> and next week I'm flying to England, so this week I'm going to be busy as well!!
13:38 < Zelgadis> flying to England? Cool
13:38 < Uiomae> yeahh
13:40 < Uiomae> and how's Movrena going?
13:40 < Zelgadis> It's going pretty intensive these days.
13:40 < Uiomae> cool!
13:40 < Zelgadis> I getting great support from genete. ^__^
13:40 < Uiomae> I've only seen the Demo 14 with the scars
13:41 < Uiomae> hehehe, if it's from genete it's great, that's for sure ;)
13:42 < Uiomae> and what about here, something to tell about?
13:42 < Uiomae> what you've been doing when I was not watching!!
13:42 < Zelgadis> ^____^
13:43 < Zelgadis> Working on scenes 05, 07, 19, 20
13:43 < Zelgadis> Plan to play with composition of 14th one.
13:44 < Uiomae> great!
13:44 < Zelgadis> after I'll finish 05 - it needs to be traced like 14.
13:44 < Zelgadis> 07 got an camera modifications. Now it closer to what I expect
13:45 < Uiomae> hehe, you guys have a fancy workflow system
13:45 < Uiomae> :P
13:45 < Uiomae> non linear at all, eh?
13:45 < Zelgadis> After Tanya finish cleaning of keyframes 19, it gonna be traced too.
13:45 < Zelgadis> But 19 is much more complex one.
13:46 < Zelgadis> Yes, it's not linear.
13:46 < Zelgadis> No need to do things one-by-one if you have solid storyboard and montage.
13:47 < Zelgadis> My personal current task is to accomplish Ivan's image to character layout. I'm doing that by drawing scenes with his presence.
13:47 < Uiomae> yeah, that's for sure
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13:48 < Zelgadis> But it's all linked together and the need to draw keyframes implies the need to tune animatic, montage, etc etc
13:48 < Zelgadis> ^_^
13:48 < Uiomae> hehehe
13:48 < Uiomae> I see :)
13:48 < Uiomae> well, I hope bones will be finished some day
13:48 < Uiomae> and you'll have a little more help
13:48 < Uiomae> :P
13:49 < Zelgadis> I look forward to OpenGl renderer! ^___^
13:49 < Zelgadis> I don't see much help from bones in anime.
13:49 < Zelgadis> 'cause most characters moving in space, turning...
13:50 < Uiomae> ahahaha, me too!!
13:50 < Uiomae> don't worry, it will be finished, I'm just busy this days :P
13:50 < Zelgadis> That's better to achieve simply by drawing keyframes
13:50 < Uiomae> yeah
13:50 < Uiomae> but it's a huge task, it seems
13:50 < Zelgadis> yes! But that's cool what it's started!
13:51 < Zelgadis> Though, bones are good for quick/simple animations and newbies.
13:51 < Zelgadis> So it will push synfig forward too.
13:51 < Uiomae> hey, I'm planning to put bones at hard work when finished!
13:52 < Uiomae> I'm not very good drawing :P
13:52 < Uiomae> and I think bones system will help me a lot
13:52 < Uiomae> so yes, good for newbies like me :P
13:53 < Uiomae> but also, american tv series are also done using a great amount of bones, AFAIK
13:53 < Zelgadis> Cool! It will be great!
13:54 < Zelgadis> I not saying, what bones are bad. ^____^
13:55 < Uiomae> ajajajaja
13:55 < Uiomae> I know!!!
13:55 < Uiomae> :P
13:56 < Uiomae> of course, IK bones will be more great, but that's gonna take longer
13:58 < Zelgadis> But it's easier to solve IK in 2D than in 3D
13:58 < Uiomae> hmm, don't know about that
13:59 < Uiomae> but I think 3D it's only question of adding another axis, so no big deal
13:59 < Uiomae> but don't take my word for it
13:59 < Uiomae> at least, things in the OpenGL renderer are done that way
13:59 < Uiomae> 2D it's only matter of forgetting an axis (Z is always 1)
14:01 < Zelgadis> he-he, in 3D bone could rotate and move in space, so there is much more possible situations to solve. Though, I don't know much about it too. ^_^
14:02 < Uiomae> yeah, but rotations are the same as X and Y
14:02 < Uiomae> but adding another axis
14:02 < Uiomae> that's why I said that, but I don't know either :P
14:02 < timonator> in 3d you have a 4x4 matrix instead of a 3x3 matrix (OSLT) and 1x3 or 3x1 vectors, so the math does get more complicated, but the amount of "situations" does not change to my knowledge
14:03 < Uiomae> yeah, that's what I think
14:03 < Zelgadis> can't argue, because of lack of knowledge. ^___^
14:03 < Uiomae> I'll tell you if someday I take a look at it :P
14:03 < Zelgadis> If I will be able to understand. ^___^
14:04 < Uiomae> yeahhh, timonator and Uiomae wins for now!
14:04 < Uiomae> what's the prize??
14:04 < Uiomae> tell me!
14:04 < Zelgadis> pizza
14:04 < Uiomae> pizza!!
14:04 < Uiomae> I love pizza :P
14:04 < timonator> me, too
14:04 < Zelgadis> I have pizza here right now. Could send your prize to you right now.
14:05 < Zelgadis> But...
14:05 < Uiomae> hmmm
14:05 < Zelgadis> It will got spoilt during the travel.
14:05 < Uiomae> I think we can pass out without the prize
14:05 < Uiomae> for now
14:05 < Uiomae> xDD
14:05 < Zelgadis> Maybe I will "save" it?
14:05 < Zelgadis> your prize
14:05 < Zelgadis> ^____^
14:06 < Uiomae> ugh
14:06 < Uiomae> really, with prizes like that, I' rather prefer not to win
14:06 < Uiomae> xDD
14:09 < Zelgadis> Ok, time for inspiration and drawing!
14:09 < Uiomae> ok!
14:09 < genete> Uiomae: Zelgadis didn't give me job to do!!! Morevna's never would have more idle hands than now! ;)
14:09 < Uiomae> good luck :P
14:10 < Uiomae> ajajaja
14:13 < Zelgadis> genete: I have one task, but I'm not sure
14:13 < genete> tell me and I decide how skilled I am :)
14:14 < Zelgadis> It's not about your skills, that's about my. ^___^
14:14 < Zelgadis> Look at scene 22.
14:14 < Zelgadis> Could you trace her head movement or you will need more clean keyframes?
14:15  * genete looking
14:18 < Zelgadis> Atleast, maybe you could do some kind of draft-motion on top of that. Like this: http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/1273/eyes6hairs3.gif
14:19 < genete> Zelgadis: Hmm it is a head turn
14:19 < Zelgadis> yep
14:19 < genete> not trivial task
14:19 < Zelgadis> sure
14:19 < genete> only the head
14:19 < genete> not the body I guess
14:19 < Zelgadis> yes, only head.
14:19 < Zelgadis> No body right now.
14:20 < genete> btw, clicking on JUMP doesn't update the main window
14:20 < genete> there is a bug around
14:20 < genete> I have to click on redraw button
14:21 < genete> Zelgadis: is there any face source to grab from?
14:21 < genete> I mean a scene 
14:21 < genete> not for the drawings but fot the compositions
14:21 < genete> specially the eyes
14:23 < Zelgadis> yes
14:24 < Zelgadis> http://zelgadis.profusehost.net/files/morevna/synfig/eyes.zip
14:24 < Zelgadis> BTW, for 22.sif everything OK for my synfig-2316
14:25 < Zelgadis> (JMP)
14:26 < genete> Hmmm I have to test it later with an older version to see what's happening with the JMP
14:26 < genete> Zelgadis: also
14:26 < genete> can I add some breakdown frames?
14:26 < Zelgadis> genete: yes, of course
14:26 < Zelgadis> genete: What version are you currently on?
14:27 < genete> svn
14:27 < genete> 2340
14:27 < Zelgadis> ok
14:27 < genete> what's the context of the scene?
14:28 < genete> is translated the script of that scene?
14:28 < Zelgadis> see demo/storyboard-en.pdf
14:28 < genete> ok
14:28 < Zelgadis> see demo/storyboard/storyboard-en.pdf
14:28 < genete> I'll take a try this week :)
14:28 < Zelgadis> and look into montage too!
14:29 < Zelgadis> demo/demo.blend
14:29 < genete> ah ok
14:29 < genete> yes, the story flow :)
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18:05 < pixelgeek> hey genete 
18:08  * pixelgeek blown away by the difference in trying to download from sourceforge on Sat night compared to Sunday morning.
18:08 < pixelgeek> Guess I shouldn't be that surprised....
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18:23 < chuky> hello
18:25 < krish[0]> ho
18:25 < pixelgeek> Hi chuky 
18:28 < chuky> hello guys
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18:29 < chuky> I've just compilled synfig, it looks really nice 
18:29 < pixelgeek> Congratulations!
18:29 < pixelgeek> Which OS are you running?
18:29 < chuky> thanks, am, some sort of LFS
18:30 < chuky> which a compiled linux from scratch
18:30 < chuky> *which is
18:30 < pixelgeek> Cool
18:31 < krish[0]> whoa
18:31 < krish[0]> chuky: how do you manage updates?
18:31 < krish[0]> so did you build the package manager on LFS too?
18:32 < chuky> am, I could install some packager manager if I wanted to, but I prefer doing it by hand
18:32 < chuky> yes, you can if you want so
18:32 < krish[0]> cool. i never tried to go beyond LFS
18:32 < chuky> I use to have sources on the harddrive, and then I just update them and recompile 
18:33 < chuky> mine is just a custom linux, I stepped away from lfs ages ago
18:33 < krish[0]> some cool dude :P
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18:35 < chuky> it's nice, you can send patches more easily
18:35 < chuky> and you learn to do linux systems, either for yourself, for a cdrom, usb stick, I mean you get to how it really works and the like
18:36 < krish[0]> yep
18:36 < krish[0]> i had time to do LFS, so i did.. but dint go beyond
18:36 < chuky> ahm
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18:59 < Yoyobuae> 13:59 < Uiomae> but I think 3D it's only question of adding another axis, so no big deal
18:59 < Yoyobuae> Uiomae: 3D bones might be somewhat possible.  But shapes on synfig are unavoidably flat. So even the 3D bones would only be able to apply 2D rotate/scale/translate transformations on shapes.  Using 3D transformations on 2D shapes probably won't produce any good results (unless you're animating characters made of paper xD)
19:01 < Yoyobuae> one possible solution to this would be to make a system "smart" enough to animate the shape's silhouttes so that they look 3D, but using 2D vector shapes.
19:04 < Yoyobuae> the problem is: such a system doesn't exist (not that I know of),
19:04 < Yoyobuae> at least NOT YET ;)
19:04 < Yoyobuae> i'm hoping to be able to change that.
19:25 < akagogo> pixelgeek: hi :D, what i must do with autopoint on windows installation? http://none.carlos.googlepages.com/screen.JPG
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20:22 < pixelgeek> hey akagogo 
20:23 < pixelgeek> I'm assuming you got the 'new' automake referenced in http://synfig.org/Mingw_installation
20:23 < pixelgeek> or maybe it's in autoconf
20:26 < pixelgeek> Did you follow the 'ugly hack' referenced in the gettext section?
20:26 < pixelgeek> And prefixes are correct in the usr/local/bin/autopoint script?
20:28 < akagogo> oks
20:28 < akagogo> i have other problem
20:31 < pixelgeek> You got past autopoint?
20:31 < akagogo> http://none.carlos.googlepages.com/screen2.JPG
20:31 < akagogo> sep
20:32 < pixelgeek> You need the nullsoft installer
20:32 < pixelgeek> Looks like you're really close
20:32 < akagogo> :D
20:33 < akagogo> but i have nsis :(
20:33 < pixelgeek> whichh version?  
20:33 < akagogo> 2.42
20:33 < pixelgeek> I know 2.27 & 2.28 worked.  
20:33 < pixelgeek> Creek23 recommended 2.42 - I haven't tried it.  
20:35 < pixelgeek> I'll take a look at where mine's installed after lunch - back in a bit
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21:09 < genete> hey pixelgeek
21:11 < pixelgeek> hey genete
21:11 < genete> then what was about the ubuntu question for?
21:12 < pixelgeek> My wife's eee id dying
21:12 < pixelgeek> is dying
21:12 < genete> what's the issue?
21:12 < pixelgeek> There are supposedly ubuntu versions dedicated to the eee - called eeebuntu
21:13 < pixelgeek> I hope just a little disk corruption
21:13 < genete> problems with type rating ;)
21:13 < genete> yes, there is a ebuntu version (educational) not tested though
21:13 < pixelgeek> I want to boot to something off a USB stick and copy new version of pci.sys over
21:13 < genete> s/a/an
21:13 < pixelgeek> no eeebuntu
21:14 < pixelgeek> no, eeebuntu!
21:14 < genete> what hapeeen to your keeeyboard?
21:14 < pixelgeek> :P
21:15 < pixelgeek> Windows reckons I can just restore the corrupted files from the DVD ROM.  
21:15 < genete> doesn't boot it through CDROM?
21:15 < pixelgeek> It doesn't realize there is no optical drive!
21:16 < genete> so why do you guess that it recognizes the USB?
21:16 < pixelgeek> hence looking fro something that'll run off a usb stick
21:16 < pixelgeek> That still works.  
21:16 < pixelgeek> I made a bootable eeebuntu usb stick
21:16 < genete> there is an option in ubuntu to write a bootable usb pendrive
21:16 < genete> cool
21:17 < pixelgeek> But the eee has some unique reuirements needing custom kernel apparently
21:17 < genete> or you fix your keyboard or you start to talk like Synfig00 in the forum ;P
21:17 < pixelgeek> It looks like it boots OK, but then only the desktop comes up
21:18 < genete> so you boot and no drive present?
21:18 < pixelgeek> No taskbar.
21:18 < pixelgeek> No right click menu
21:18 < genete> uh
21:18 < pixelgeek> no way to do anything really....  
21:18 < genete> strange
21:18 < pixelgeek> Is there a keystroke to bring up a terminal?
21:19 < Yoyobuae> Ctrl+Alt+F1
21:19 < genete> CTRL+ALT+1 works?
21:19 < pixelgeek> OKI'll try that
21:19 < genete> sorry 1 ;)
21:19 < genete> F1 I mean 
21:19 < genete> but I don't believe it would help
21:20 < genete> there is not user account I think
21:20 < Yoyobuae> pixelgeek: we're talking about this, right?: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASUS_Eee_PC
21:20 < genete> so you only would see the terminal messages. Maybe them told you what happened
21:21 < genete> pixelgeek: did you typed a username and a password to reach the desktop?
21:21 < genete> I think you didn't 
21:21 < pixelgeek> Yoyobuae: Yes - http://www.eeebuntu.org/
21:22 < pixelgeek> genete: no
21:22 < genete> in a live CD or USB there is not user account, or at last it enters automatically
21:23 < pixelgeek> but as long as I can get to a terminal I can copy files, right?
21:24 < genete> if the drive is mounted yes
21:24 < genete> type mount and see what's mounted
21:24 < pixelgeek> ok - we have desktop
21:24 < pixelgeek> we have hourglass
21:25 < pixelgeek> OK
21:25 < pixelgeek> we have terminal!
21:25 < genete> any noticiable activity in the PC?
21:25 < genete> hd reading?
21:26 < pixelgeek> It's running off the usb stick, so I wouldn't expect any HD activity
21:26 < pixelgeek>  /dev/sdb1 looks like the usb
21:26 < genete> maybe the hourglass means it is trying to mount the HD
21:27 < genete> paste mount here
21:27 < pixelgeek> No that goes away...
21:27 < pixelgeek> ha!  
21:27 < pixelgeek> I have a PC that I just booted to a terminal.  How would you like me to paste it?  ;P
21:28 < genete> sorry
21:28 < timonator> use gpm or screen
21:28 < genete> press CTRL-C in one PC and then CTRl-V in the other :P
21:28 < timonator> i can do that with xinelama
21:28 < pixelgeek> genete :P
21:29 < pixelgeek> timonator: need a network connection for that I fear.
21:29 < genete> so how many devices return 'mount'?
21:29 < timonator> yep :|
21:29 < pixelgeek> HD would be /dev/hda wouldn't it?
21:29 < genete> only sda1?
21:29 < genete> yes
21:29 < genete> where is it mounted?
21:30 < Yoyobuae> netcat to other pc, running bash =D
21:30 < timonator> for a few versions now the kernel has stopped creating hd*
21:30 < timonator> it's all sd* now
21:30 < pixelgeek> 16 total
21:30 < pixelgeek> under /dev two
21:30 < genete> 16, so you have a card reader
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21:31 < pixelgeek>  /dev/sdb1 
21:31 < pixelgeek>  /dev/loop0
21:32 < genete> only the /dev/ are needed
21:32 < pixelgeek> genete: yes, but it's not just that - sysfs, tmpfs, binfmt_misc, varrun, varlock, udev, blablabla
21:32  * pixelgeek nods
21:32 < rubikcube> ignore those for the moment...
21:33 < pixelgeek> I need to mount ntfs disk rw
21:33 < genete> why write?
21:33 < genete> only read 
21:34 < pixelgeek> How can I update the corrupted pci.sys file by reading it?
21:34 < pixelgeek> ;)
21:37 < rubikcube> with quantum mechanics? ;)
21:37 < genete> http://www.swerdna.net.au/linhowtontfs.html
21:38 < genete> http://www.linux-faqs.com/Forum/viewtopic.php?t=7
21:41 < pixelgeek> I found http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/mounting-windows-partition-onto-ubuntu-linux/
21:41 < pixelgeek> looks like it's sda1
21:42 < genete> have you got interenet access in that computer?
21:42 < rubikcube> "ls -l /dev/disk/by-label/" could be useful as well...
21:56 < pixelgeek> We're making progress
21:56 < pixelgeek> I can see the HD
21:57 < pixelgeek> Just need to be able to mount another FAT USB stick at the same time to copy the one 'irreplaceable' file my wife is concerned for before I start corrupting the HD irretreivably. 
21:59 < genete> the one that you used to boot has space on it?
22:00 < pixelgeek> Well it does, but then I have to figure out how to get the file back off it...  
22:01 < pixelgeek> Actually, I could probably mount it on my roku box.....  
22:11 < pixelgeek> Hmmm...  I'm wondering if it's a  memory problem rather than a HD problem.
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22:46 < genete> I'm trying to build an intermediate version of synfig to see if I can catch a bug I'm feeling
22:46 < genete> I'm fighting with the problem of select a correct revision compatible with core and studio
22:47 < genete> because when I pick a revision for core then studio is not ready (needs other newer revision to compile) then when I pick a studio revision then it is core who needs a newer version
22:48 < genete> all this mess wouldn't happen with a single repository, where each revision compiles synfig and studio together. 
22:51 < genete> so the bug is confirmed
22:52 < genete> there is not signal sent to the main window redraw when click the timeline or click a keyframe
22:52 < genete> the bug is between 2305 and 2351
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