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00:00 < genete> pixelgeek: did you used ffmpeg?
00:00 < rore> I wonder if "<genete> you're just justifying yourself in front of your wife..." :D 
00:00 < pixelgeek> I wish dooglus could have fixed the native gif renderer rather than implementing the imagemagick++ module.
00:00 < vonHalenbach> time for apng :)
00:01 < rore> yup, if only it were widely supported 
00:01 < pixelgeek> genete: native gif support. 
00:02 < genete> pixelgeek: tell me the file size. I want to compare with magick++
00:02 < pixelgeek> 5 MB
00:02 < pixelgeek> completely unoptimized!
00:02 < rore> (in gif here I got 3.4MB, with crappy artifacts)
00:03 < pixelgeek> (I have an extra 1.6MB of artifacts)
00:03 < rore> eheheh :)
00:03 < genete> uh! it took 20 seconds to render!
00:04 < vonHalenbach> 2.4MB in swf with half the frames. 12 fps
00:04 < rore> i didn't even knew that synfig could render to swf 
00:05 < rore> (not that I'm interested in that format :)) 
00:05 < genete> 2.6 MB @24 fps
00:05 < vonHalenbach> no. it is made with png2swf
00:05 < rore> and i have 0.8MB more artifacts than genete, heheh
00:05 < vonHalenbach> just render to png as usual and then put the commandline to good use.
00:06 < genete> vonHalenbach: that's not swf. It is flv
00:06 < vonHalenbach> hm? could be.
00:06 < vonHalenbach> do you want to have it?
00:06 < genete> not needed
00:07 < rore> (hey, anyone want to waste time making the gimp mascot in paper? XD http://sites.google.com/site/roreslair/paper-wilber ) 
00:09 < genete> here is rore's animation in gif format if someone is interested: http://www.mediafire.com/?m1gwnb9ygyd
00:09 < Yoyobuae> well, with imagemagick its possible to optimize GIF pretty nicely
00:10 < Yoyobuae> but its not simple
00:11 < genete> rore: if you just add some legs and arms rolling before the stick man falls it would be almost perfect!
00:14 < rore> yes, the arms especially - would give a bit of "Wile E. Coyote" effect :) 
00:32 < rore> hm, sleep time here. Good night people! [adjust to your timezone ;) ]
00:33 < pixelgeek> 'night rore
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01:39 < nikitakit_> Hello. Anyone here?
01:40 < vonHalenbach> Hi nikitakit_ 
01:41 < nikitakit_> Hi
01:41 < vonHalenbach> What is your question?
01:41 < nikitakit_> I'm just wondering what synfig "units" are
01:41 < nikitakit_> I love pixels, and to me it seems that these "units" are only causing problems
01:42 < vonHalenbach> Where do you read units?
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01:42 < nikitakit_> And the term is confusing too... 
01:42 < nikitakit_> http://www.synfig.org/Unit_System
01:45 < vonHalenbach> You are right. This is confusing.
01:46 < vonHalenbach> Just switch to pixels. px
01:47 < nikitakit_> Actually, the default is pt
01:48 < nikitakit_> The problem is that synfig uses units internally, and I have run into an instance where I have to convert manually
01:49 < vonHalenbach> synfig is desperatley searching for a new developer, who is able to set things right. If you want, you could be the one. :)
01:50 < nikitakit_> Really? Are there no programmers around? (or no artists?
01:50 < vonHalenbach> not many artists and no developer.
01:51 < nikitakit_> I guess the "no dev" explains it all...
01:51 < vonHalenbach> yeah.
01:52 < nikitakit_> too bad I can't help out much :(
01:52 < vonHalenbach> :(
01:54 < nikitakit_> I really want to help Morevna... but I'd need Git (which means reinstalling GNU/Linux)
01:56 < vonHalenbach> sure. :) Linux is a great os.
01:56 < vonHalenbach> do it.
01:57 < nikitakit_> How hard is it to get Debian running?
01:58 < nikitakit_> Ubuntu failed on me because I tried updating from an outdated version, and the update server didn't work
01:59 < vonHalenbach> I never tried debian. I have xubuntu 8.10, which runs quite good.
01:59 < pixelbot> For information on Synfig on Ubuntu 8.10 Intrepid Ibex see http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=277
01:59 < vonHalenbach> Thanks bot.
02:01 < nikitakit_> But not updating can kill the system
02:01 < vonHalenbach> I think it is much easier to get ubuntu to work good than debian. (If you are no geek with long greasy hair)
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09:11 < genete> good morning
09:11 < genete> does anyone have a synfigstudio version previous to svn r2313?
09:12 < genete> I think that svn r2313 broke the ability to import a file and EXPORT it to use independently from the source.
09:25 < rore> r2340 here, sorry. 
09:25 < genete> morning
09:25 < AkhIL> genete, you can downgrade it using svn
09:25 < rore> genete: svn update -r 2312   ? :) 
09:26 < genete> I have a debug version already built, no problem
09:26 < genete> it is confirmed
09:26 < genete> before 2313 it worked fine
09:27 < genete> anyway, can someone import a file and export its canvas with the current version (<2313)? I think you cannot. Usually it was possible and very useful
09:27 < genete> sorry (>2313)
09:28 < genete> AkhIL: how can I do that? I mean, can I revert that commit using svn?
09:28 < AkhIL> <rore> genete: svn update -r 2312   ? :) 
09:28 < rore> I think he means revert it in the repo, no on his comp :)
09:28 < genete> yeah
09:29 < genete> Anyway I'll open a bug tracker. Don't want to revert the commit without the opportunity to explain it
09:30 < genete> rore: can you send me one of your gif artifacts to me? I need one for the bug tracker ;)
09:31 < rore> (funny, each "svn help" command I do ends with a segfault... hm)
09:31 < rore> errr, I'll do another one then, the one from yesterday was > 3MB and took some 30mn to render
09:32 < rore> ewwww
09:33 < rore> I just noticed there was not only "gif" in the Target selection, but also imagemagick and magick++ .... I suppose that's why my gif from yesterday was bad
09:34 < rore> maybe there's no need for a BR then?
09:34 < genete> BR?
09:35 < rore> bug report
09:36 < genete> I've opened it already. For future references
09:39 < rore> http://rore.dyndns.org/rore/synfig/nawak.gif fresh from the render :p
09:40 < genete> Hmmmm lots of artifacts there! Thanks! :)
09:40 < rore> Also, that makes me think of a 2nd bug report, well, a trivial one (I think) : Trim the file names when saving. 
09:40 < rore> (that is, remove the white spaces)
09:41 < genete> oh, I never tried to save a file with whitespaces. If it is a bug, it is intentional. 
09:41 < rore> I saved it to "nawak.gif " first (note the trailing space). I didn't understand why it wouldn't play in gthumb or why my browser treated it like a unknown file type
09:42 < rore> I'm talking about the whitespaces at the beginning or the end - more specificaly the end. Some "foo bar.gif" is fine.
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13:44 < krish> hi how to rotate or scale a bline figure?
13:45 < krish> pixelbot: 
13:45 < krish> rore: 
13:45 < krish> AkhIL: 
13:55 < rore> select all points (ctrl+a) and use the scale/rotate tool ? :)
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14:12 < krish> thks rore
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16:13 < genete> hi all and hi pixelbot
16:13 < pixelbot> Hello genete
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16:22 < Zelgadis> Hey, genete!
16:23 < genete> hey
16:23 < genete> I've seen your fixing of the head turn
16:23 < genete> I think that the head won't be a problem but the hairs need more preparation
16:24 < Zelgadis> Good
16:24 < genete> the complexity of the hairs and the great movement makes it difficult to imagine the correct seyp
16:24 < genete> setup
16:25 < Zelgadis> I plan to make hairs draft animation too when it will be needed
16:25 < Zelgadis> And I have some tricks of doing that ^_^
16:25 < genete> so how would we plan to achieve the real head turn?
16:25 < genete> let's do first a bald head and leave the hairs for the end?
16:26 < Zelgadis> 1yes
16:26 < Zelgadis> yes
16:26 < Zelgadis> And...
16:26 < Zelgadis> Did you saw eyes example?
16:26 < genete> yes, mostly
16:26 < Zelgadis> There is not a bald head
16:26 < Zelgadis> there is a face
16:26 < Zelgadis> just a face
16:27 < genete> yes, I know, but in "eyes" the head turn is limited
16:27 < Zelgadis> and hairs is splitted  to front and back
16:27 < genete> you don't change ears z depth
16:27 < genete> I saw those hair tricks 
16:27 < genete> but they will be rotating and z moving at the same time... 
16:28 < Zelgadis> Tuning Z-moving is not a problem if you use constant waypoints.
16:29 < genete> so, should I start to think on a bald head (head+eyes+nose+mouth+ears) setup ready for ahead turn?
16:29 < genete> and forget the hairs at the moment?
16:33 < genete> s/at/for
16:36 < Zelgadis> Yes, I think it's right way to go
16:45 < CIA-47> MorevnaProject: Konstantin Dmitriev master * ra9d42e4d3dc3 demo/05/ (05-draft-01.png 05-draft-02.png 05-ivan-morevna.sif): 05: Ivan and Morevna draft. Keyframe is ready for tracing.
16:46 < Zelgadis> genete: Now you have a choice. ;)  I posting a message to forum about scene 05
16:47 < genete> I see the commit message... so suggestive :)
17:05 < Zelgadis> http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=443
17:06 < genete> you're accumulating tasks to me! :)
17:06 < genete> nice!
17:06 < genete> pending work is a good new!
17:06 < Zelgadis> Yes. I'm trying to do my best to go forward as much as possible.
17:07 < Zelgadis> Also there is scene 14 ready, but I waiting when Tanya will finish to clean keyframes
17:09 < genete> need to go. See ya!
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23:40 < pixelgeek> moin all
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