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00:00 < Yoyobuae> genete: btw, i never said that vector objects were necessary
00:01 < Yoyobuae> just like interpolation in synfig is not necessary
00:01 < Yoyobuae> but it sure makes the job easier, doesnt it? ;)
00:01 < genete> with a proper interface, sure!
00:03 < Yoyobuae> well, the first versions of a new program/tool are usually barely usable
00:04 < Yoyobuae> ;)
00:04 < Yoyobuae> the interface comes after the functionality is working
00:04 < genete> like bones!
00:04 < Yoyobuae> yeah xD
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00:06 < Yoyobuae> cya later, or tomorrow
00:07 < genete> ok
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05:15 < pixelgeek> genete: "first of all don't desperate. Be patience" -> "first of all, don't despair. Be patient"
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06:43 < pixelgeek> manana...
06:44 < pixelgeek> (insert appropriate accent in appropriate place)
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16:27 < genete> _o/
16:30 < Zelgadis> Hola, genete!
16:31 < genete> Привет Zelgadis!
16:31 < Zelgadis> ^___^
16:31 < genete> Кому ва Morevna?
16:32 < Zelgadis> Va bien.
16:33 < genete> :D
16:33 < genete> Завершить эту сцену во второй половине дня 22.
16:34 < genete> Я надеюсь на это!
16:35 < Zelgadis> Brilliante! No puede esperar.
16:36 < Zelgadis> Ahora estoy aprovechando.
16:36 < genete> каким образом вы работаете сейчас?
16:38 < Zelgadis> Soy ivan corregir la vista frontal de acuerdo a la nueva disposición.
16:39 < Zelgadis> Quiero publicar pronto.
16:39 < genete> Какие сцены?
16:40 < Zelgadis> No es una escena. Es de carácter diseño.
16:40 < genete> :)
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16:47 < Yoyobuae> Zelgadis, genete: what did guys do? exchange "language keys? (like with public key criptography)
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16:48 < Zelgadis> Yoyobuae: Konichiwa! ^__^
16:49 < genete> Yoyobuae: we were just kidding. ;)
16:49 < Yoyobuae> i also though so
16:50 < Yoyobuae> Zelgadis: good morning to you too, btw =)
16:50 < Yoyobuae> Zelgadis-san :p
16:51 < Zelgadis> :3
16:51 < Zelgadis> :DDD
16:51 < genete> http://imagebin.org/43146
16:52 < genete> sometimes a render subprocess of synfigstudio gets zombie and doesn't return
16:52 < genete> it happened to me a long time ago and now is the first time, again, since then
16:53 < Yoyobuae> yay for sporadic bugs XD
16:53 < genete> I was dragging the time cursor
16:53 < genete> in the file of the right (imported in the left
16:53 < genete> )
16:55 < genete> I'm seeing lots of: "warning: layer_pastecanvas.cpp:410 bounding box shrank while rendering?"
16:55 < genete> but I didn't do anything special (or the case that is commented in the code for that case)
16:56 < genete> the thing is that the tile doesn't overlap the render area so the render area seems to be shrank during rendering, what is not true
16:57 < Yoyobuae> i think the bounding boxes for layers are calculated while rendering
16:57 < Yoyobuae> right before the layer renders iirc
16:57 < Yoyobuae> but the bounding box should not change during the render
16:58 < genete> the fact is that code line 410 is reached because the etl checking for overlaping of the tile and the b. box says false
17:03 < Yoyobuae> what i understand from tile rendering is that only the tiles that change (are within the bounding box of a layer that changed) are rendered
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17:04 < Yoyobuae> at one point the code calculates that a tile is within the bounding box of the layer, so it adds it to a list of tiles to be rendered
17:04 < Yoyobuae> later on, during the rendering, the tile suddenly is not within the bounding box
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17:04 < genete> but when you scrub so fast the tile shouldn't be in the queue becuase the context has changed
17:05 < Yoyobuae> so something weird happened in between
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17:05 < genete> what it happened was drag the timeline, that's all
17:06 < genete> oh! I get scared!, I want typing on the chat and then I saw synfigstudio again greyed!
17:06 < genete> but it was the image I posted! lol
17:06 < Yoyobuae> lol
17:06 < Yoyobuae> when dragging the timeline, the bounding box is constanly changing
17:07 < Yoyobuae> the rendering is constanly re-rendering
17:07 < Yoyobuae> one thing then messes the other
17:07 < genete> something has to be done with that
17:08 < genete> because if the computer is fast enough it can mess the tile queue
17:08 < genete> but slower computers doesn't notice it because the bottle neck is in other place
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17:32 < genete> btw, the main window in the left (of the image bin I posted) is not properly updated. See how the drafts are in the first keyframe (looking back) and the imported window (on the right) is in other keyframe. Very weird
17:35 < Yoyobuae> if the thread that renders that window broke
17:36 < Yoyobuae> then its not surprising it didnt finish updating the display
17:42 < genete> but in fact the signal from the child to the parent (imported file to importer document) is not sent (and shouldn't be sent -exported canvases doesn't do it-). Only the most root document can lead a time signal for its children. But in the case that the child is an imported file (not an exported canvas) the change time signal from root to child is not sent (should it be sent?)
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17:51 < Yoyobuae> i don't know xD
17:51 < Yoyobuae> i havent looked into that part of the code =)
17:54 < genete> me neither. It is just experimenting how does exported canvases work and imported files works
17:54 < genete> s/does/do
17:57 < genete> http://imagebin.org/43150
17:57 < genete> here other problem. That causes the previous message.
17:58 < genete> the renderer thinks that it is in a different time
17:58 < genete> and it is calculating the bounding box wrongly
17:58 < genete> the ducks are in the correct position
17:59 < Zelgadis> I saw that issue many times when working on "eyes" when I animated exported canvases
17:59 < Zelgadis> Not sure, what exactly that, though.
17:59 < genete> Me too but never know how to trigger it or explain it
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18:00 < genete> btw, Zelgadis, don't think that I'll use those colors for Morevna's hairs! ;)
18:00 < Zelgadis> No panic! I don't!
18:00 < Zelgadis> ^___^
18:01 < Zelgadis> 3D modelind -> 3D modeling
18:01 < Zelgadis> ^oops
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21:36 < rore> Blender is driving me crazy. Synfig too, for that matter. Or maybe the fault is on maths. Hm, yeah... I wish there were a "noise" with a float seed, not an integer, and that the noise will move slowly as the seed changes ... 
21:36 < rore> I suppose I just want weird things. 
21:48 < Yoyobuae> how can noise move slowly
21:48 < Yoyobuae> its random by nature, slow = not so random =)
21:49 < rore> I knoooow... I want to reinvent noise, and maths, and all XD
21:49 < Yoyobuae> unless you wanted each number in the random sequence to change progresively
21:50 < rore> synfig has a "speed" value for gradient noise, but it doesn't make it "move", just change the colors. 
21:51 < rore> well, yes, I want the noise to move progressively from A to B, not just "jump" to a new noise. But I guess it's hard to do.
21:51 < Yoyobuae> yeah, one way would be to generate sequence A and sequence B (sequence of random numbers that is) and interpolate each element independently
21:52 < Yoyobuae> but that would require a way to store the list of numbers and somehow manipulate it
21:53 < Yoyobuae> i know synfig has no direct way of doing that
21:53 < rore> I think I'll keep the plant layer trick to do that in synfig (creating little moving dots like snow falling)
21:54 < Yoyobuae> oh, a snow effect
21:55 < Yoyobuae> yeah now i understand =)
21:55 < rore> yeah, dots moving randomly... (and then adding a -Z movement to make it "fall") 
21:56 < rore> it could be snow, dust, whatever... :) 
21:56 < Yoyobuae> maybe it could be faked
21:57 < Yoyobuae> im thinking a few Sin functions, with random frequency =)
21:58 < Yoyobuae> the problem is that the motion would be rather periodic
22:00 < Yoyobuae> or perhaps using random valuenodes as the value for waypoints
22:00 < rore> (Urghh... Bad Breath of Death attack from my cat >_< Suddently, reinventing cat food from "stinky tuna" to "fresh mint" seems more important than reinventing noise functions)
22:02 < rore> well, for now, the plant layer seems to work.... or genete's particles maybe :)
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23:12 < rore> !quote
23:12 < pixelbot> Synfig! For the best in Manually adjusted ducks!
23:13 < rore> makes me wonder what did pixelgeek drink before setting the quotes
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