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04:23 < frozencornflakes> Is */scr/synfig/savecanvas.cpp the best place for understanding the current file format?
04:42 < frozencornflakes> actually, loadcanvas.cpp
04:51 < frozencornflakes> I am having a hard time trying to figure out the file format.
04:51 < frozencornflakes> I would very much like to code some full exporters & converters.
04:52 < frozencornflakes> Among other additions
04:53 < frozencornflakes> (flash,svg,blend...)
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10:33 < genete> frozencornflakes: load and save canvas files are the best way to undersand sifz format. Notice that a sifz file only need to define the non default values or the values not inherited from the current parent canvas. Which kind of importer, exporters are you willing to write?. The svg parser is also a good wat to understand how the import should work.
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13:37 < frozencornflakes> Anyone here know how to get the same point location (either connected or a duplicate point) when drawing from a non- endpoint with the 'Draw Tool'?
13:37 < pixelbot> Hi - I'm a bot, but there may be someone around - if not, hang out for a bit...
14:23 < frozencornflakes> Also, how do I convert a 'Draw Tool' object to a 'Bline Tool' object?
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15:25 < frozencornflakes> @Zelgadis: Do you know how to  convert a 'Draw Tool' object to a 'Bline Tool' object?
15:26 < Zelgadis> Hi, frozencornflakes 
15:27 < frozencornflakes> hi
15:27 < Zelgadis> What do you mean? Bline and Draw tools produce same objects - Outlines and Regions, just in different way
15:28 < frozencornflakes> internally?
15:28 < Zelgadis> um, you mean code?
15:28 < frozencornflakes> yeah
15:29 < Zelgadis> ugh, I'm not a dev
15:29 < frozencornflakes> I need to create a shared point when using the Bline tool, but would much prefer to create the curve by "drawing"
15:29 < Zelgadis> "shared point"?
15:29 < Zelgadis> ^__^''
15:30 < Zelgadis> you _can_ create curve by drawing with Draw tool
15:30  * Zelgadis reading logs
15:30 < Zelgadis> wait
15:30 < frozencornflakes> But when I use the Draw Tool, when selecting a point and starting a new curve , it creates a new point too and at a offset location.
15:32 < Zelgadis> frozencornflakes: you mean, you want to start new curve from the middle of another curve and keep them linked?
15:33 < frozencornflakes> yes
15:33 < Zelgadis> ok
15:33 < Zelgadis> Then:
15:34 < Zelgadis> 1) Draw one curve (with Bline or Draw tool)
15:34 < Zelgadis> 2)  Draw second curve from the point you want (with Bline or Draw tool)
15:34 < Zelgadis> 3) Switch to normal tool
15:35 < Zelgadis> 4) Select all layers, which were created on steps 1) and 2)
15:35 < Zelgadis> 5) Select ducks you want to link
15:35 < Zelgadis> 6) right-click -> Link
15:36 < frozencornflakes> ok that works.
15:36 < frozencornflakes> thanks
15:36 < frozencornflakes> now how do I get a color inbetween only one of them?
15:37 < frozencornflakes> if I have two polygons?
15:38 < Zelgadis> you can tell synfig to create a region together with outline on step 1) or 2)
15:39 < Zelgadis> or, if you have different shape, create region with bline or Draw tool and link it where you need vertex-by-vertex (that's tedious way)
15:39 < Zelgadis> frozencornflakes: I strongly recommend to read http://synfig.sourceforge.net/wiki/Doc:Getting_Started
15:40 < Zelgadis> also: http://synfig.sourceforge.net/wiki/Doc:Adding_Layers
15:40 < Zelgadis> http://synfig.sourceforge.net/wiki/Doc:Creating_Shapes
15:47 < frozencornflakes> hmm. I thought I did that earlier, but it was keeping the points separate. 
15:48 < frozencornflakes> they moved but not together.
15:51 < frozencornflakes> ok. thanks
15:56 < frozencornflakes> Do you know what on http://www.mind42.com/pub/mindmap?mid=04afc25d-b337-483b-bba4-fdbe4de6327e no one is working on currently?
16:34 < Zelgadis> There is a lots of features listed there no one is working on.
16:34 < Zelgadis> I can name some important:
16:39 < Zelgadis> * OpenGL optimized rendering
16:39 < Zelgadis> * Bones
16:39 < Zelgadis> * Sound support
16:40 < frozencornflakes> what level of sound support
16:40 < frozencornflakes> ?
16:40 < Zelgadis> what level of sound support currently synfig have? or should have?
16:41 < frozencornflakes> sorry, both.
16:42 < Zelgadis> currently here are no working code of sound support
16:42 < Zelgadis> but there is some code based on FMOD
16:42 < Zelgadis> It's disabled AFAIK
16:43 < Zelgadis> There is a description of expected sound functionality:
16:43 < Zelgadis> http://synfig.sourceforge.net/wiki/Sound_Layer
16:48 < frozencornflakes> ok. has there been any progress on a file format spec.?
16:48 < Zelgadis> You mean documenting sif format? No.
16:48 < frozencornflakes> I have about an entire week I can devote to coding to practice, before schools starts up again.
16:49 < frozencornflakes> what is the difference between a .sif and a .sifz
16:49 < frozencornflakes> ?
16:50 < Zelgadis> frozencornflakes: cool! I'll be here around most of the time after 1st January for sure. And plan to work on synfig web infrastructure during that time
16:50 < Zelgadis> .sif = .sif.gz
16:53 < Zelgadis> Currently the best way to learn sif format is to make something with synfig studio and then examine saved .sif file
17:03 < frozencornflakes> Tips at boot
17:03 < frozencornflakes> Looks like you guys need that too
17:03 < frozencornflakes> I might as well write some while I learn
17:03 < Zelgadis> What is "tips at boot"? Could you explain?
17:04 < frozencornflakes> After the splash screen, something that gives hints or 'did you know'
17:04 < Zelgadis> cool
17:04 < frozencornflakes> On map at:
17:05 < frozencornflakes> Synfig MAP::Finish Unfinished Features::Documentation::Tip at startup
17:05 < Zelgadis> I see
17:06 < frozencornflakes> I am looking at the code, I don't know much about gtkmm, but it looks like I need to look at app.cpp.
17:06 < frozencornflakes> in synfig/synfig-studio/src/gtkmm, line 1390
17:07 < frozencornflakes> it looks like thats where I would add a function to show a form with tips on it.
17:08 < frozencornflakes> well, between 1390 and 1391
17:08 < Zelgadis> I don't know much about code. I even don't know C++... sorry
17:10 < Zelgadis> genete can help here
17:11 < frozencornflakes> ok
17:12 < frozencornflakes> Trying to rotate a bline...
17:21 < frozencornflakes> not intuitive
17:22 < frozencornflakes> Select points, then rotate by clicking on and moving mouse
17:22 < frozencornflakes> .
17:22 < frozencornflakes> Is there a way to rotate while preserving the curve?
17:22 < frozencornflakes> It seems to rotate all the points but not 'together'.
17:23 < frozencornflakes> Toggling 'Allow Scale' does not help.
17:23 < Zelgadis> there is
17:23 < Zelgadis> use Rotate tool and uncheck "Allow Scale parameter"
17:23 < Zelgadis> also there is Rotate layer
17:27 < frozencornflakes> unchecking Allow Scale does not help.
17:27 < frozencornflakes> looking at Rotate layer now.
17:27 < frozencornflakes> also, on a different note, I just found audiocontainer.cpp and am looking at it.
17:28 < frozencornflakes> a lot of FMOD stuff.
17:28 < frozencornflakes> But we want openal, I think
17:29 < frozencornflakes> that way we can have a "distance" to sound
17:29 < frozencornflakes> like a X and Z (left/Right and Volume)....
17:30 < frozencornflakes> and the sound system could take care of that.
17:32 < frozencornflakes> Rotate layer works fine.
17:32 < Zelgadis> I think any implementation will be better than no implementation ^___^
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17:36 < frozencornflakes> Ok, there seems to be a FORM in Synfig-Studio called "Sound Select" called by MENU::FILE:SOUND FILE
17:37 < frozencornflakes> I need to figure out where that is in the code.
17:37 < frozencornflakes> What do you think would be most helpful:
17:37 < frozencornflakes> first that is.
17:38 < frozencornflakes> 1) a solid sound system in the CLI
17:38 < frozencornflakes> but only a import in the gui
17:38 < frozencornflakes> *an
17:38 < frozencornflakes> and maybe just a single master sound file for the project
17:39 < frozencornflakes> OR
17:39 < frozencornflakes> 2) Full GUI sound support
17:39 < frozencornflakes> but a very basic and unfinished internal
17:40 < frozencornflakes> which would later be filled in.
17:40 < frozencornflakes> Layers of sound, with "Distance" I had mentioned, etc.
17:40 < frozencornflakes> ?
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18:22 < Zelgadis> frozencornflakes: I think Sound layer is better
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