--- Log opened Sun Jan 10 00:00:40 2010
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05:10 < Zelgadis> pixelgeek, genete: I suspect that forum timeout is related to server configuration.
05:10 < Zelgadis> Because when we were on sf.net the timeout was OK.
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05:14 < Zelgadis> people! My apologies! I going to lock forums/wiki/cms again for today.
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05:38 < pixelgeek> 'night all
05:39 < nikitakit> 'night
05:39 < Zelgadis> night
05:43 < nikitakit> Zelgadis: what is going on with the website?
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05:44 < Zelgadis> I'm moving it to another place
05:44 < Zelgadis> Let's see if it will be faster there
05:45 < nikitakit> So not the old .org site?
05:45 < Zelgadis> old .org site could be remapped later if we will succeed
05:46 < nikitakit> Ok. I'm hoping for the best :)
05:46 < Zelgadis> Me too. ^__^
05:46 < Zelgadis> It's been awhile since we started all that mess ^__^''
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07:22 < CIA-52> synfig: Nikita Kitaev  nikitakit_ducks * r2330c77141 synfig/synfig-studio/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Get rid of null state
07:58 < nikitakit> genete, et al: I can fix the null state appearing when the selection changes in one of the object creation tools
08:01 < nikitakit> However, I'll have to disable the toolbox automatically popping up when normal tool is selected
08:01 < nikitakit> Alternatively, I could disable automatically switching to the normal tool when the selection changes
08:01 < nikitakit> Which do you think I should do?
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09:25 < genete> nikitakit: what does "disable the toolbox automatically popping up" means exactly?
09:26 < Zelgadis> genete! right in time!
09:26 < genete> Zelgadis: :D
09:27 < Zelgadis> genete: I want to share my doubts if you don't mind
09:27 < genete> of course. That's my speciality. Increase doubts ;)
09:27 < Zelgadis> ^___^
09:27 < Zelgadis> Ok, let's start then
09:28 < Zelgadis> That's what I'm come to: joomla is fun, and powerful - that's it, but I miss one thing what looks significant to me.
09:28 < Zelgadis> Revision history.
09:29 < genete> it has a last time edition history for each article IIRC
09:29 < Zelgadis> When we were at mediawiki every change was transparent. Everyone was aware about what was changed.
09:30 < genete> o_O your doubts start caring me...
09:30 < genete> scaring*
09:31 < Zelgadis> ...Then I asked myself: "we have defined website structure in joomla. Can we make the same with mediawiki?"
09:31 < genete> move mediawiki to joomla?
09:31 < Zelgadis> no
09:32 < Zelgadis> Create same structure inside mediawiki
09:32 < Zelgadis> I.e. return to what we started from - use mediawiki as cms
09:32 < Zelgadis> Can we?
09:33 < genete> we can do what ever we agree and help the Synfig project grow
09:33 < genete> but then I don't understand why did do the CMS thing
09:33 < Zelgadis> I don't know yet for sure, but if the answer is "yes", what will be the advantages?
09:34 < Zelgadis> Here comes the advantages:
09:34 < Zelgadis> * less server software to maintain
09:35 < Zelgadis> * less server overload
09:35 < Zelgadis> * everyone knows what happening
09:35 < Zelgadis> Last one, I think, is significant, because that is one of the things, what ties us together
09:36 < genete> what do we loose?
09:36 < Zelgadis> I can't find a thing. ^_^'' GUI editor?
09:37 < genete> * better theme integration.
09:37 < genete> * built in galleres
09:37 < genete> * pools
09:37 < genete> * easy multilingual
09:38 < genete> * easy collection for categories/sections
09:38 < genete> * easy news publications with RSS
09:39 < genete> * documentation apart in wiki is more compact
09:39 < genete> * possible advertisements system
09:40 < genete> * better side and top menu support
09:40 < genete> and other extesnions i've not explored :)
09:41 < Zelgadis> Ha-ha!
09:41 < Zelgadis> ^___^
09:41 < Zelgadis> Let me agree with "RSS" issue only ~_^
09:41 < genete> and menus?
09:41 < genete> wiki menus are a pain
09:42 < Zelgadis> not at all if we have single menu for all pages
09:42 < Zelgadis> Let me explain:
09:42 < Zelgadis> * better theme integration.
09:42 < genete> if that includes the documentaiton for users, coders, wikimonkeys and normal website things it will be so long menu!
09:43 < Zelgadis> ** Imagine if we have to change something in common theme. If we have cms/wiki/forum - then we have to make changes in 3 places. If only wiki and forum - then 2.
09:43 < Zelgadis> * built in galleres
09:44 < Zelgadis> ** http://morevnaproject.org/wiki/Category:Nikolay_Mamashev
09:44 < Zelgadis> * polls
09:44 < Zelgadis> ** we have polls on forum
09:44 < Zelgadis> * easy multilingual
09:44 < genete> (maintain the challenge pages and the gallery pages is a pain)
09:44 < Zelgadis> ** we have multilingual setup on wiki already (can't say if it easy or not for everyone)
09:45 < Zelgadis> * easy collection for categories/sections
09:45 < Zelgadis> ** The categories in mediawiki
09:45 < Zelgadis> * easy news publications with RSS
09:45 < Zelgadis> ** agree here
09:45 < Zelgadis> * documentation apart in wiki is more compact
09:46 < Zelgadis> ** if we put site in different namespace - then it helps to keep it separate from docs
09:46 < Zelgadis> * possible advertisements system
09:46 < Zelgadis> ** ahem
09:46 < genete> :-P
09:46 < Zelgadis> * better side and top menu support
09:46 < Zelgadis> ** do we really need top menu? ^__^
09:46 < Zelgadis> OK, that's just a thoughts
09:47 < genete> for me the real problem for any of both systems is the theme
09:48 < genete> when we were at synfig.org with mediawiki
09:48 < Zelgadis> yeah, cms was my idea ^___^''
09:48 < genete> we had a integrated theme with specific artwork (the rocket)
09:49 < genete> change it requires a good cms/php/whatever knowledge to modify it
09:49 < genete> that ties up us on depend on Yaco or anyone
09:49 < genete> I thought that a CMS would fee us to change theme easily
09:49 < genete> or at last the main artwork
09:50 < genete> from splash to splash
09:50 < Zelgadis> so we need a neutral theme. But there's another question.
09:50 < Zelgadis> s/there's/this is/
09:52 < genete> I'm not again your thoughts. Just would like to do the right thing this time
09:52 < Zelgadis> He he. Searching is the path ^___^
09:52 < genete> enough errors we have done already ^___^''
09:53 < Zelgadis> I repeat, the main thing what worries me about joomla is that it is a black box for community
09:53 < genete> for me the really valuable thing to not loose is the user community
09:53 < genete> the content that we have in the cms now is not so important and can be trashed
09:54 < genete> but you know, eyecandy helps to atract people
09:55 < Zelgadis> I know
09:55 < genete> I propose one thing:
09:56 < Zelgadis> Little offtopic to keep our minds cool: is synfig.org suddenly become faster or it's just illusion?
09:57 < genete> faster or not you know my opinion on it
09:57 < genete> my proposal:
09:57 < genete> 1) decide the host
09:58 < genete> 2) develop wiki to be easily expandable by normal users (that means to document the how to write a page with the new DPL macros)
09:59 < genete> 3) simplify the non doc/devel data (news, about, people, gallery, download) and make it easy to edit
09:59 < genete> then trash joomla
10:00 < Zelgadis> .. if we will decide to trash it ~_^
10:00 < Zelgadis> OK
10:00 < genete> you have to agree with me that multilingual wiki macros are only useful if wikimonkeys does the job well
10:00 < Zelgadis> that's a plan
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10:01 < Zelgadis> genete: no
10:01 < genete> we can have a great community that contributes to the wiki a lot but it is not useful if they do not follow the page directives
10:01 < Zelgadis> all wikimonkey have to do is to create page with suffix and set title
10:01 < Zelgadis> ah, agree
10:02 < Zelgadis> ok, I moving the wiki then
10:02 < genete> have we decided step 1) yet?
10:03 < Zelgadis> um... no
10:03 < genete> ok
10:03 < Zelgadis> I haven't catched darco yet
10:04 < genete> :)
10:04 < genete> and we have not tested the alternative host deeply
10:05 < Zelgadis> The bad thing that we can't test it until we fully migrate.
10:06 < genete> we can test it with dummy content/modifications
10:06 < Zelgadis> Ok, my mind is a little more clear now
10:06 < genete> \o/
10:06 < genete> I did a good job then !;9
10:06 < genete> ;)
10:06 < Zelgadis> Anyway there is a chance that with a huge amount of users it will behave differently
10:06 < Zelgadis> Yeah, good job, genete! ^___^
10:06 < Zelgadis> I'm serious. ^__^
10:07 < genete> you're easy to advice basically you answered yourself
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10:07 < genete> leaving now have to visit my parents
10:07 < Zelgadis> good luck!
10:07 < genete> cya folks!
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11:27 < Zelgadis> ok, wiki moved too
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