--- Log opened Wed Jan 13 00:00:42 2010
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00:06 < genete> pixelgeek: would you like to fix the single thread checkbox in the setup dialog?
00:06 < genete> I wish to do a new release on march
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01:17 < pixelgeek> genete - I'll see if I can take a look at it.  Work's a little busy right now.  
01:18 < pixelgeek> Would it be completely unrealistic to have the behaviour of the tools to be user configurable?  
01:19 < pixelgeek> I find myself picking a tool, drawing the overall shapes, and then going back and editing.  It's painful to have the tool deselect itself sometimes.  
01:19 < pixelgeek> And then sometimes, I want to do precisely that - draw something then edit, draw then edit.  
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01:35 < pixelgeek> 'night all
01:35 < pixelgeek> :)
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02:30 < wolfe> hello :)
02:31 < wolfe> I was just looking at the status of different tool and seen synfig. I downloaded the latest version and tried making any shape, yet nothing appears while the item is listed in the layers window. Any ideas or is something unchecked?
02:34 < Seper> alpha perhaps?
02:35 < wolfe> alpha as in set on the object or my canvas? :/
02:35 < Seper> The color of the object.
02:36 < Seper> What does it say next to Blend Method?
02:36 < Seper> On the params tab
02:38 < wolfe> add
02:38 < wolfe> one question, the canvas is suppoosed to just be blank, as in checkered, right?
02:38 < Seper> Change it to Composite
02:38 < Seper> yes
02:38 < wolfe> it's the same
02:39 < wolfe> I know it's there, I can right click on it or encapsulate(the green dot)
02:39 < Seper> Ok, double click on the color in Params
02:40 < Seper> Make sure the Alpha is at 255
02:40 < Seper> I mean, 100.0
02:40 < wolfe> only.. yeah
02:40 < wolfe> origin.... -794.xxxxxx,396.xxxxxxpt? 
02:42 < Seper> Try -102, -5
02:43 < wolfe> I see a focused green dot
02:43 < wolfe> not the object :/
02:43 < Seper> Alpha at 100.0 and Blend Method: Composite?
02:44 < wolfe> yes
02:44 < wolfe> just to be clear, I should be able to open a new doc, click circle, and draw a circle?
02:44 < Seper> hmm
02:45 < Seper> yes
02:45 < Seper> Sinfig Primer  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SM1qUqGyIpA
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02:49 < wolfe> odd
02:49 < wolfe> I'll try an older release
02:49 < wolfe> if I click invert, the screen fills with the color selected
02:50 < Seper> I'm using 0.62 currently
02:50 < Seper> I was the one that made that video
02:50 < wolfe> on Ubuntu 9.10 64bit?
02:51 < Seper> I'm on Ubuntu 9.04 32bit
02:51 < wolfe> there is one possibility
02:51 < wolfe> one second
02:52 < wolfe> nope, thought it may have been my dual monitor setup
02:52 < Seper> oh
02:52 < wolfe> :/
02:53 < wolfe> I'll check to see if there is a bug report
02:53 < Seper> Can you create a new project and then try to create a circle?
02:53 < wolfe> I tried, I end up with an invisible circle I can see
02:54 < Seper> Is Composite selected under the colors?
02:54 < wolfe> under blend method, yes
02:54 < Seper> (On the main window)
02:55 < wolfe> yes
02:55 < wolfe> set to 1.00 under it, color, then TCB
02:55 < Seper> Do this, create the circle, save the project, then send it to me.
02:56 < wolfe> k
03:01 < wolfe> http://furryzone.com/user/insane_kangaroo/files/test_circle.sifz
03:02 < Seper> I see the circle when I zoom out
03:02 < Seper> It is up and to the left, outside the checkered area
03:04 < wolfe> I don't see anything when I zoom out :|
03:04 < Seper> After dragging it into the checkered area, it appears to be a normal blue circle
03:05 < Seper> Try origin -204, 113
03:05 < Seper> Any good?
03:06 < wolfe> no...
03:06 < Seper> ok
03:06 < wolfe> I wonder if anyone else here uses the 64bit deb release from the website
03:06 < Seper> idk
03:06 < Seper> I'm not a developer
03:07 < Seper> I guess your best bet for now is to use the version in the repositories
03:07 < wolfe> possibly
03:07 < wolfe> probably just a bug 
03:07 < Seper> possibly
03:15 < wolfe> Seper: http://synfig.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=synfig/synfig;a=tree;f=synfig-core/examples;h=e7d59f3c3e2613c7c573fc8cfed688f40c08d71e;hb=HEAD
03:15 < wolfe> download the eyes
03:15 < wolfe> tell me what you see
03:15 < wolfe> all I see are two eyeballs
03:16 < Seper> k
03:17 < Seper> looks like 2 blue eyes
03:18  * wolfe sighs
03:20 < wolfe> http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=839
03:21 < wolfe> looks like a known 64bit issue
03:21 < wolfe> sad
03:21 < Seper> ah
03:23 < Seper> The input device settings still being a problem in all the 0.62.00 I've seen for recent linux distributions.
03:23 < Seper> After do the first journey of the synfig workshop in my town some pupils realized that they can't see the the layers they produce. It is due to the fact that the input devices are by default set to active for the "Macintosh mouse button emulation" and for the "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad".
03:23 < Seper> That produces that the layer are placed far away. Disabling them Synfig Studio works fine again.
03:23 < Seper> The developer genete posted that
03:24 < Seper> - So I assume you have to disable "Macintosh mouse button emulation" or "SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad".
03:26 < wolfe> *checks*
03:26 < wolfe> :|
03:26 < wolfe> that was it
03:27 < wolfe> now all the shapes I make are visible
03:27 < wolfe> thank you
03:27 < Seper> cheers
03:31 < wolfe> .
03:42 < wolfe> too bad there is no sound platform in synfig :/
03:43 < Seper> yes
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03:43 < Seper> That seems to be something that some want to work toward for a 1.0 release
03:44 < wolfe> would make many users come from flash for just web animations, since most upload to youtube anyway
03:44 < wolfe> though, flash output would be cool to, even if it were a video wrapped in a flash file
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03:46 < Seper> i think the ability to output real flash animations would be nice, but i'm doubtful that will ever happen
03:57 < wolfe> well I mean, even if it were a wrapper it would be nice, since real flash objects would be a whole output format
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05:38 < Zelgadis> pixelgeek: About tools switching: use hotkeys! That's The Power. ~_^
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08:12 < strayhyena> hello
08:14 < strayhyena> I know that synfig is supposed to eliminate frame by frame tweening, but is it possible to do it anyway in synfig? I'm trying to find a working traditional animation software.
08:20 < strayhyena> also, in synfig 0.62, nothing I draw appears. i draw a circle but nothing happens, the circle is in the layers tab but nothing on the screen
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08:36 < wolfe> strayhyena: I just went through that issue
08:36 < wolfe> go to input devices
08:36 < wolfe> turn everything to disable, even if its your touchpad
08:38 < strayhyena> oh
08:38 < strayhyena> i was compiling it from source but i'll try that, thanks
08:39 < strayhyena> will my tablet work with synfig?
08:41 < wolfe> enable your tablet in the menu
08:44 < strayhyena> okay
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08:47 < genete> _o/
08:47 < pixelbot> \o_
08:47 < Zelgadis> hola!
08:48 < strayhyena> I see the onion skin thing I think, is it possible to draw an animation frame by frame?
08:50 < Zelgadis> strayhyena: It's hard but possible
08:50 < Zelgadis> the main problem is to switch between layers
08:50 < Zelgadis> errr.. between frames
08:51 < strayhyena> maybe I could use Pencil to do the hand drawn animation and import the image sequence into Synfig to continue editing?
08:52 < strayhyena> i'll figure it out later, bed time
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08:57 < genete> hi Zelgadis :)
08:57 < Zelgadis> yeah
08:57 < Zelgadis> oops... wrong window
08:58 < Zelgadis> Hi!
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12:45 < genete> _o|
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15:01 < genete> cya
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17:21 < genete> I'm going to restore the Rotate and Scale tools
17:22 < genete> I hope nikitakit doesn't mind :)
17:28 < Zelgadis> Hi!
17:28 < genete> hey
17:29 < Zelgadis> I finally satisfied with multilanguage links on wiki.
17:29 < genete> nice!
17:29 < genete> where did you did the changes?
17:29 < Zelgadis> http://synfig.tuxfamily.org/wiki/Meta:LinksTest/ru
17:29 < genete> aha!
17:29 < Zelgadis> Ugh... lot of changes
17:29 < CIA-52> synfig: Carlos Lopez  nikitakit_ducks * r1478153109 synfig/synfig-studio/ (9 files in 2 dirs): Restore Scale and Rotate tools presence.
17:30 < Zelgadis> Also I started documenting wiki infrastructure/policy
17:30 < genete> great
17:31 < genete> this is a sample page with the possible kind of links?
17:31 < Zelgadis> I also got rid of those "DPL page title not found bla bla bla" errors
17:31 < genete> coolio
17:31 < Zelgadis> yeah, sample page I used for testing
17:31  * genete watching the source code
17:31 < Zelgadis> Tomorrow plan to finish Navigation template
17:33 < Zelgadis> BTW, for me wiki at new place behaves much smoother than on sf.net
17:33 < genete> and more quick than synfig,org (?)
17:34 < Zelgadis> yeah, looks like that
17:34 < genete> how are you sure that you have all the new joined users at synfig,org moved to tuxfamily?
17:35 < genete> there have been some new registration at wiki since it was moved back to synfig.org
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17:35 < Zelgadis> erm.. not understood ^_^''
17:35 < genete> so I'm not sure if the latest registrations has been ported to tuxfamily
17:36 < Zelgadis> hmm... IIRC I have locked the wiki...
17:37 < Zelgadis> maybe I have forgot to lock user registrations?
17:37 < genete> not sure... this time the sf/synfig/tux movement has been a bit chaotic  ^_^''
17:39 < Zelgadis> ^__^''
18:25 < Zelgadis> ok, bedtime here. cheers!
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19:31 < CIA-52> synfig: Carlos Lopez  nikitakit_ducks * rfb4c7c2d50 synfig/synfig-studio/src/gtkmm/ (4 files in 2 dirs): Enable stop button and escape key to return to normal tool for smooth move, rotate, scale and mirror tools
19:31 < CIA-52> synfig: Carlos Lopez  nikitakit_ducks * r921fdb0789 synfig/synfig-studio/src/gtkmm/ (5 files in 2 dirs): Suit new standard Gdk cursors for the Mirror, Rotate, Scale, Smooth move and Text tools
19:39 < CIA-52> synfig: Carlos Lopez  nikitakit_ducks * r07652bb8c6 synfig/synfig-studio/src/gtkmm/ (state_rectangle.cpp state_star.cpp): Same as before but for Rectangle and Star Tools.
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20:23 < nikitakit> genete: thanks for taking care of all the changes
20:29 < nikitakit> As for the SVG parser, it's a big mess. I suppose there's no harm in merging into master.
20:30 < nikitakit> Zelgadis: is there anything I can do for Morevna now that it's starting up again?
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22:19 < genete> forums guests: 0; website guests: 45
22:24 < pixelgeek> website guests FTW!
22:24 < genete> _o/
22:24 < pixelbot> \o_
22:25 < pixelgeek> Glad to see pixelbot's still got it.  
22:25 < pixelgeek> Sloggerjr not woring out so well.
22:25 < genete> the thing is that zelgadis is asking to do not keep the website (too much maintenance) :-/
22:26 < genete> pixelgeek: I'll take care on fix the checkbox of the setup dialog for the single thread
22:26 < pixelgeek> Need some sort of web face.
22:26 < pixelgeek> You know what need to be done? 
22:26 < genete> yeah
22:26 < pixelgeek> That makes it easy :)
22:26 < genete> it is a piece of cake
22:26 < pixelgeek> dooglus just hard coded it for the bottom slot?
22:27 < genete> Iwish to make it set "on" by default on windows 
22:27 < genete> rigth
22:27 < genete> aaaww if we can start using glade!
22:28 < genete> pixelgeek: next time you do a build, please do the nikitakit_ducks one if isn't on master yet
22:28 < genete> I want to see how the mouse cursors works in windows
22:28 < genete> I've set some of them form the built in ones
22:29 < pixelgeek> Actually the only thing I was really worried about with the web page is that synfig.org was pointing at the old "download 0.61.09" website.
22:29 < pixelgeek> but now that's fixed....
22:29 < genete> are you ready for a new release on march?
22:30 < pixelgeek> I think multi-threading = off should be default on windows until someone can make it robust.
22:30 < genete> ok ^^
22:30 < genete> or should I wait until April for a six month living of the last release?
22:30 < pixelgeek> Umm...  The single threaded should be "on" by default.
22:31 < pixelgeek> You know - the combination that makes it work.
22:31 < genete> ah ok
22:31 < pixelgeek> We can do march - I'm busy at work, but I can find time to rebuild and bundle.
22:32 < pixelgeek> It would be nice to get a more robust version out there.
22:32 < pixelgeek> with COPYING file included...  
22:32 < pixelgeek> How come I can find that in the TARballs, but not in the Git repo?
22:32 < genete> I can setup a wizard on the start of Synfig Studio: "Do you like Synfig Studio to crash randomly or want some stability?" a) Yes I'm brave :-] b)No! I'm newbie :-(
22:33 < pixelgeek> :)
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22:33 < genete> I think that the COPYING comes from the release process 
22:33  * pixelgeek got to run to a meeting
22:33 < genete> it is automatically created I think
22:33 < genete> good luck
22:33 < pixelgeek> but the text must be somewhere....
22:34 < genete> it is the GPL license. In LICENSE I think
23:05 < CIA-52> synfig: Carlos Lopez  nikitakit_ducks * rad671f0e8e synfig/synfig-studio/src/gtkmm/ (11 files): 
23:05 < CIA-52> synfig: Enable Stop button and ESC key to change to Normal Tool for the Circle, Draw,
23:05 < CIA-52> synfig:  Eyedrop, Fill, Gradient, Rectangle, Sketch, Star, Text, Width and Zoom tools
23:08 < Sepero> In Inkscape while drawing a polygon, the polygon ends where the user right-clicks.
23:09 < genete> hi Sepero :)
23:09 < genete> how's compared to Synfig?
23:09 < Sepero> Hello gene  ;)
23:09 < genete> I don't remember xD
23:10 < Sepero> In synfig, you have to click on the "normal tool"
23:10 < genete> or double click or click the first dot
23:10 < genete> those last two leaves you in the poly tool
23:11 < genete> ah double click doesn't work
23:11 < Sepero> I just tested, and double clicking and clicking on the first dot don't seem to end the polyon
23:12 < genete> click on the first one works here
23:12 < Sepero> I will try again :)
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23:13 < Sepero> Still does not seem to want to go
23:14 < genete> windows?
23:14 < Sepero> Ubuntu 9.04  :)
23:14 < genete> weird
23:14 < Sepero> synfig .62
23:14 < genete> I have not problems to make it work here ubuntu 9.04 too
23:14 < genete> well, devel version here ^__^
23:15 < Sepero> gene, do you ever use Inkscape?
23:15 < genete> not so much
23:15 < genete> I have so few time :(
23:16 < Sepero> Now that synfig is able to import SVG's, I was thinking synfig could prolly get a lot more support if it were more compatible (in key/mouse strokes) with Inkscape.
23:16 < pixelbot> Basic SVG import is now included in Release 0.62 or see http://synfig.org/Svg2synfig or http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=11
23:18 < Sepero> Obviously you're free to make things however you like. I'm just putting an idea out there. heh
23:18 < genete> it would be good yes
23:19 < genete> but not strictly because some things can be improved or simply acts different (like the undo stack)
23:19 < genete> and all the tools don't have equivalence etc
23:19 < Sepero> i understand completely
23:19 < genete> but yes not bad idea
23:20 < genete> it is not difficult to change the behaviour. I prefer at the moment make it simply "work" ;)
23:20 < Sepero> yes, of course  ;)
23:22 < genete> for me coding synfig is a weird thing... I work by impulses... maybe I'm in a new wave... :)
23:26 < CIA-52> synfig: Carlos Lopez  nikitakit_ducks * rc2ec9c5bdc synfig/synfig-studio/src/gtkmm/ (6 files): Some included I missed in the precious commit.
23:26 < genete> ha! s/precious/previous hahaha
23:32 < pixelgeek> s/included/includes
23:32  * genete nods
23:41  * pixelgeek is happy to say he couldn't care less what time Conan O'Brien's show is on.  Or if it's on at all.  
23:48 < Sepero> I kind of liked Conan, but that was a few years back when I still watched tv. I haven't seen his show in a long time now.
23:54 < CIA-52> synfig: Carlos Lopez  nikitakit_ducks * r88d0898e8d synfig/synfig-studio/src/gtkmm/state_polygon.cpp: 
23:54 < CIA-52> synfig: Fix non work area refreshment on Polygon tool when pressed
23:54 < CIA-52> synfig: the ESC key or stop button in the middle of a polygon creation.
23:58 < pixelgeek> They're all on waaaay to late for me.  
23:59 < genete> one sec,
23:59 < genete> how do I enable the single thread checkbox in linux?
23:59 < pixelgeek> talking of which - need to go to another mtg - catch you all later
23:59 < genete> ok
23:59 < pixelgeek> genete: isn't it the same GTK code?
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