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00:48 < s_andy> hi
00:49 < s_andy> is there any way to make some object/layer to appear only for some period (e.g. starting at 4s and ending at 8s)? I know about alpha and activepoints off... but these ways do not look to be very friendly :(
01:26 < Sepero> .
01:30 < Sepero> s_andy: My first thought for that would be to move it on screen, and then off screen, using a Constant motion in the timeline.
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01:38 < s_andy> Sepero: got it! thank you very much
01:39 < s_andy> Sepero: this looks to be much easier than alpha/activepoints off
01:58 < Sepero> welcome :)
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10:09 < genete> hi rilleman :)
10:11 < genete> rylleman: look: http://imagebin.org/81679
10:18 < rylleman> Hey Genete! Looks good, what exactly do you want me to look at?
10:18 < rylleman> What's happening with the forum?
10:20 < genete> rylleman: don't you see anything special in the image?
10:20 < genete> forums are being migrated to synfig.tuxfamily.org
10:20 < genete> it needs a bit of tweaking though for full fucntionality
10:21 < rylleman> Comparing the image with my installed Synfig, can't see any difference. (?)
10:22 < genete> the caret menu is smaller and the rulers too :)
10:22 < genete> it is Gimp's size now
10:23 < rylleman> Ah, I thought the rulers was smaller but thought that perhaps it was like that for everybody else and the large ones was just for me.
10:24 < rylleman> Looks very good and saves space.
10:24 < rylleman> Great!
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10:24 < genete> I think that Gimp's caret menu icon is not an arrow but a custom icon. It doesn't change the size when I change the linux theme
10:25 < genete> I think that Gimp has lots of custom widgets that are not Gtk official LOL
10:25 < rylleman> Ok, I see.
10:25 < rylleman> They probably has
10:25 < genete> anyway, it is smaller now and beter compacted
10:26 < rylleman> Sweet!
10:26 < genete> on the right bottom corner, where the two scroll sliders join there is space, what can I place there?
10:27 < genete> I as thinking on a "add layer" button
10:27 < genete> a short cut for the add layer sub menu
10:27 < rylleman> Don't you think it would become too cluttered?
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10:29 < genete> Gimp has a navigator pop up
10:29 < rylleman> I'm thinking the whole window is too high, the work area get's very small at smaller screens (Like my 13' tablet). I would love to get rid of at least one of the bars below.
10:29  * genete too
10:30 < rylleman> Come to think of it, I really like the Gimps navigation pop-up there.
10:31 < genete> I was thinking on move all the toggle buttons to the toolbox in a floating bar
10:31 < rylleman> Would it be doable to move the navigation-buttons up, beside the frame-window? And then, do we need the timeline scrollbar?
10:31 < genete> they are like preferences as the brush size and so
10:32 < genete> you mean place the navigation buttons on the right of the zoom dial?
10:32 < rylleman> Or move them up to your new menu-bar
10:32 < genete> or in the left
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10:32 < rylleman> No, to the left of the frame-box and timeline.
10:33 < genete> tah
10:33 < genete> ah
10:33 < genete> it would give less space to the timebar
10:33 < genete> but not bad idea
10:33 < rylleman> Then you have first bar navigation in workspace and second one navigation in time.
10:33 < genete> it can be done
10:34 < genete> and the frame number entry?
10:34 < rylleman> You won't have scroll of timebar then but is that necessary? You still can navigate in the timeline-window.
10:35 < rylleman> Frame number entry can be smaller I think?
10:35 < genete> I can change the frame number entry's font size
10:35 < genete> but the size is defined by the mazimum format HHMMSS(FF)
10:36 < genete> the timebar scrollbar is neccesary I think
10:36 < rylleman> Perhaps too radical; Do we need the timeline in this window at all? We have a special timeline-window, now we have duplicates.
10:36 < rylleman> ah, :)
10:36 < genete> nothing is radical
10:36 < genete> if you don't mention maybe never is changed
10:37 < genete> let's open mind :)
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10:38 < genete> phone...
10:42 < rylleman> Now Synfig has multiple window layout which will probably not change. Personally I'm not to happy about this kind of setup, I think too much screen estate is  wasted by window headers etc. Also it's a pain to switch between apps when different windows keeps getting lost behind other ones. I'm very happy that Gimp will get one-window setup in next version.
10:47 < genete> I think that there is only one drawback on single window
10:47 < genete> you cannot see several documents at the same time
10:47 < genete> which is important for Synfig and his export canvas feature
10:49 < rylleman> I think in new Gimp you will be able to tear off document windows so you can see several at same time.
10:49 < genete> anyway there is an option
10:49 < genete> right
10:50 < genete> it is a great change that should be thought carefully
10:51 < rylleman> Of course, I don't  expect this to happen sometimes soon, I just aired my view on the setup regarding screen estate and using as much of the screen as we can
10:56 < genete> whta about move the toggle buttons to the toolbox?
10:56 < genete> they would acts as the default blend method or the brush size and foreground and background colors
10:56 < genete> sorry outline and fill colors ^_^´´
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11:27 < rylleman> Would perhaps work
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14:42 < Zelgadis> Hi, folks!
14:49 < genete> HI!
14:49 < Zelgadis> genete: good work on caret!
14:50 < genete> Zelgadis: did you find the fix for the attatchment on the forums? :)
14:50 < genete> ah thanks :)
14:50 < Zelgadis> and I think that moving buttons to the toolbox is a good idea
14:50 < Zelgadis> No, havent solved attachment issue yet. PHP hacking session just started ^___^
14:55 < genete> cool
14:55 < genete> the toggle buttons does more sense in the toolbox
14:55 < genete> they are not related to the document but to the global preferences IMHO
14:56 < genete> that would save more space and allow arrange them better in the toolbox
14:56 < genete> not all buttons btw
14:56 < genete> canvas properties should be on each canvasview
14:57 < genete> Hmmm
14:57 < genete> hve to look carefully to it
14:58 < genete> (out for lunch, back in 1 hour)
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16:11 < genete> P-:
16:25 < Zelgadis> Done!
16:27 < genete> good!
16:27 < genete> can I test it now?
16:28 < Zelgadis> Sure. But there are some warning messages appear in the middle of upload process
16:28 < Zelgadis> I'll try to fix them
16:28 < Zelgadis> too
16:31 < genete> I've not seen any error messge: http://synfig.tuxfamily.org/forums/viewtopic.php?p=5055&sid=135226de417ee4129847999f803d467a#p5055
16:31 < Zelgadis> already fixed ^___^
16:32 < Zelgadis> Woohooo! I got topic reply notification on my mailbox ^___^
16:32 < Zelgadis> ~_^
16:33 < genete> cool!
16:33 < genete> I'm registering a dummy user
16:33 < Zelgadis> don't forget to delete it from acp
16:33 < Zelgadis> (via ACP)
16:33 < Zelgadis> I've tested it yesterday though
16:34 < genete> confirmation email received from root@synfig.org
16:34 < genete> it should be changed to another email?
16:34 < Zelgadis> maybe later
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16:35 < genete> ok, no prob
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16:35 < genete> how long should we wait until ask for synfig.org redirection to tuxfamily?
16:36 < Zelgadis> I have noticed significant pause after I'm pressing Submit button (while editing post), do you experience the same?
16:37 < genete> yes
16:37 < genete> same behavior than synfig.org
16:38 < Zelgadis> I think that's innormal and we should resolve it first
16:38 < genete> and strangely the "Uploading file" pop up window was too short in time
16:38 < Zelgadis> But, maybe not
16:38 < genete> usually a "large" file (200kb)
16:38 < Zelgadis> Maybe it's ok to mail darco already
16:38 < genete> takes some seconds uploading. 
16:39 < genete> cool
16:39 < genete> I'll send to you a email draft first
16:39 < genete> and tomorrow I'll send him
16:39 < Zelgadis> OK
16:39 < Zelgadis> Wait
16:40 < Zelgadis> I should contact our new hosters first - need to ask something about domains
16:40 < genete> yes
16:41 < genete> and maybe tell them about the host space that seems to be close to be full
16:41 < genete> isn't it?
16:42 < Zelgadis> They already increased it x2
16:43 < Zelgadis> Don't worry forum and wiki files stored separately - there's 1Gb space for them
16:43 < genete> ah
16:43 < genete> so they count with the non used space
16:43 < genete> for each resource
16:45 < genete> for the record: we should move the download binaries from morevna to synfig at tuxfamily. That would give you the real space
16:46 < Zelgadis> yeah
16:46 < Zelgadis> and synfig.org/files aren't moved yet too
16:47 < genete> well, from synfig.org files we have to rescue only the non wiki, joomla or forums ones
16:47 < genete> that is the historical files
17:03 < Zelgadis> huh! Slow posting issue solved!
17:03 < Zelgadis> Check yourself ^___^
17:04 < Zelgadis> And now I know, why we haven't experinced it on sf.net ^___^
17:06 < genete> why?? tell us the secret! :)
17:07 < genete> wow! that's fast!
17:07 < Zelgadis> It's possible to do the same speedup on synfig.org
17:09 < genete> tell us! ;)
17:11 < Zelgadis> I can't ^___^
17:11 < Zelgadis> see PM
17:11 < genete> ok no prob :)
17:14 < genete> I'm going to send a mail to the users list to warn them about the new forum's place
17:15 < genete> or should we wait after redirect synfig.org to tuxfamily?
17:15 < Zelgadis> I think waiting 1-2 days is ok
17:21 < Zelgadis> OOK, I overdone my plan for today
17:21 < Zelgadis> (I haven't expected I will be able to solvee all forum issues)
17:22 < genete> you're a master :)
17:22 < Zelgadis> He-he, I'm just learning
17:22 < Zelgadis> Time to compose mail to support
17:39 < Zelgadis> synfig.nu, eh?
17:40 < genete> what does .nu extension mean? 
17:51 < Zelgadis> Have to go sleep now ^___^
17:52 < genete> see ya
17:52 < genete> good work!
17:53 < Zelgadis> Tomorrow I'll be mostly unacessible - but I hope to get my hands on mail
17:53 < Zelgadis> \o/
17:53 < genete> _o<
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