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00:44 < mray> does anybody have an idea how to fix mouse input under ubuntu karmic (disabeling the touchpad does not work) ?  
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03:39 < Zelgadis> ыщьущтуб еудд ещ ькфн ерфе ру туув ещ вшыфиду ФДД штзге вумшсуы
03:40 < Zelgadis> Ooops...
03:40 < Zelgadis> Someone say to mray that he need to disable ALL input devices.
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09:10 < Appleman1234> Hi
09:10 < Appleman1234> Does anyone run Gentoo here ?
09:12  * AkhIL me
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09:17 < Appleman1234> AkhIL, does synfig build for you ?It isn't building for me
09:17 < Appleman1234> I have just updated my gcc and will try again
09:24 < AkhIL> git://synfig.git.sourceforge.net/gitroot/synfig/synfig - is it valid synfig repository?
09:24  * AkhIL will try to build from there
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09:52 < Appleman1234> I was using 0.61.09 and 0.62.00
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11:02 < AkhIL> building from git is done
11:03 < AkhIL> gcc (Gentoo 4.3.4 p1.0, pie-10.1.5) 4.3.4
11:04 < genete> AkhIL: I think that there are ebuild availble for 0.62.00 and for latest git version too
11:05 < genete> http://bugs.gentoo.org/111278
11:05 < AkhIL> genete, anyway I'm using own build system for many end-user tools
11:06 < AkhIL> such as blender, cinelerra, synfig...
11:06 < genete> glad to know that git version builds fine for you anyway :)
11:37 < Appleman1234> well 0.61.09 doesn't build here
11:37 < Appleman1234> i have the ebuilds from that bug
11:37 < Appleman1234> and 0.62.00 doesn't build either
11:45 < genete> Appleman1234: have you seen this? : http://bugs.gentoo.org/111278
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13:04 < genete> Zelgadis, and all of you dear synfigers:
13:05 < genete> regarding to Google Soc 2010 we need some people from the synfig team to be responsible of the following roles:
13:05 < genete> 1) Project Admin (maybe Zelgadis)
13:05 < genete> 2) Chief project mentor (maybe me)
13:06 < genete> 3) Project admin and project mentor backup
13:08 < genete> I propose Pixelgeek for admin backup and Nikita Kitaev for mentor backup
13:09 < genete> we urgently need to confirm that here or in the forum or in the wiki. Please contact them when they are online.
13:09 < genete> AkhIL: would you be pleased to be a mentor backup?
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13:32 < AkhIL> i'm not coder at all
13:32 < genete> mray: hi, did you solve the input devices/mouse problem?
13:33 < mray> genete: no not at all :(
13:33 < mray> do you suffer from it, too?
13:34 < genete> yes and the trick is to disable ALL the devices (included Macintos Mouse emoulation and USB optical mouse)
13:34 < genete> I have a patch for that but it is not in the current version
13:34 < mray> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
13:34 < mray> it finally works!!!!
13:34 < genete> he he
13:34 < mray> :D
13:34 < mray> thank you 1000 times!
13:34 < genete> no problem ^___^
13:35 < genete> you're welcome ;)
13:35 < mray> the wiki should be more precise about that!
13:36 < genete> errr, I didn't know that wiki entry. And the solution is not the same in all the systems.
13:36 < genete> I'm talking about ubuntu 9.10 only
13:36 < mray> ah ok :/
13:36 < genete> some others have not the same issue or have it differently
13:36 < genete> anyway it will be solved soon
13:36 < mray> then i hope your patch will be active soon and i hope you hang around in this chatroom a lot :P
13:36 < genete> lol
13:37 < mray> synfig makes a really interesting impression on me.
13:37 < genete> I live here ;) I'f I'm not online is because I'm really away from a computer ;)
13:37 < mray> hehe good ^^
13:37 < genete> that's good :)
13:38 < mray> do you know how the state of handling video inside synfig? 
13:39 < genete> we are looking forward for your work. Please try to enter on the splash challenge. It would help you to join the community: http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=1071
13:39 < genete> handling video is not so good at the moment
13:39 < genete> you have two alternatives:
13:39 < genete> 1) Use ffmpeg import: slow and ugly and hacked (it imports always at 29.97 fps)
13:40 < genete> 2) export your movie to image sequence (mplayer does the job very well) and import the image sequence using List Importer layer
13:40 < genete> this las one is fast enough and accurate
13:41 < genete> no sound support on none of them
13:41 < mray> ok, i imagine it is really hard to care about THAT HUGE featureset, i din't know it supports video at all
13:42 < mray> oh right about the sound: can i preview sound while scrubbing?
13:42 < genete> no sound support of any kind in Synfig now.
13:42 < mray> @splash: i'm VERY new to synfig and starting to use it for a promotional video for status.net - so i'm very new and not that skilled yet ;)
13:43 < genete> splash is a still image. Good for a newbie ;)
13:43 < mray> hehe, good point.
13:45 < mray> are you a core developer?
13:46 < mray> the sound thing is really apitty - how can you make video that is synchronized with spoken sound for example?
13:47 < mray> the morvena guys must have an approach for that!
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13:55 < genete> I'm helping with coding administration and what ever I can do in my free time :)
13:56 < genete> sync voice with animation is a two or more steps work
13:56 < genete> the best way is to sync voice and lips with an external application (i.e Papagayo) and import the resulting lipsynced animation into synfig
13:57 < genete> then sync the animation with the imported lips
14:00 < genete> http://synfig.org/wiki/ListImporter
14:06 < mray> well my video should result in something like this: http://quicktorials.org/sites/default/files/videos/intro.ogv
14:07 < mray> so i doubt this is a good approach - on the other hand i have never worked with papagayo
14:07 < mray> (or a similar workflow)
14:08 < mray> my idea was to just record the spoken text and animate along with it - to fit and support the spoken information with the images
14:18 < genete> for such simple timing you can use the following workflow:
14:19 < genete> 1) Record the voice, import into a non linear video editor.
14:19 < genete> 2) Add texts in the video editor until it fits perfectly the voice timing
14:20 < genete> (most of decent video editors have subtitles)
14:20 < genete> export the movie and import to Synfig
14:20 < genete> 3) ^
14:21 < genete> 4) Do the animation in synfig following the imported video
14:25 < mray> i see i have to read about how to import video in synfig :)
14:34 < genete> http://synfig.org/wiki/ListImporter  <this is the best way
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14:35 < genete> and this: http://synfig.org/wiki/Tips#Import_a_movie_into_Synfig.3F
14:40 < mray> ok thanks i'll read it
14:40 < mray> is there a svg logo of synfig available somewhere?
14:40 < mray> i just found the png
14:41 < genete> there is
14:41 < genete> one sec
14:43 < genete> http://synfig.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=synfig/synfig;a=blob;f=synfig-studio/images/synfig_icon.svg;h=ddac44bfdc3d500967da79d0fdf53039e10d1cbc;hb=96ecf115bd5db526fa2d5fe4757fd6ef60afd7cd
14:43 < genete> err
14:43 < genete> better this one: http://synfig.git.sourceforge.net/git/gitweb.cgi?p=synfig/synfig;a=blob_plain;f=synfig-studio/images/synfig_icon.svg;hb=96ecf115bd5db526fa2d5fe4757fd6ef60afd7cd
14:44 < genete> save as synfig_icon.svg
14:44 < mray> thanks again :)
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15:06 < mray> when will 0.63 be released btw?
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16:09 < genete> hey eldruin :)
16:09 < eldruin> genete: hey
16:09 < eldruin> I was looking for zelgadis
16:09 < eldruin> for the translation vs localization problem, remember?
16:10 < eldruin> I think it may be a little pedantic putting it in the template discussion
16:20 < genete> err, the translation pge in the wiki?
16:20 < eldruin> yep
16:22 < genete> what's the issue?
16:24 < genete> mray: I plan to release at the end of april
16:24 < eldruin> in the languages template "languages" link links to Meta:Localization which doesn't exist but the writer_documentation links to Meta:Translation.
16:25 < genete> mray: unless someone else want to do the release by himself I need that time to find time to do it. Mainly for apply the latest patches and test the release with candidates
16:26 < genete> eldruin, ah well, it is just a numenclature issue. It can be fixed with redirections or with proper links
16:27 < eldruin> yes, anyone can fix it. Just wanted to tell him and let him take the decision
16:28 < eldruin> as he is who have done the templates
16:28 < genete> ah, ok
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18:15 < mray> hi there, is it possible that synfig somehow uses different gamma values than other software on karmic?
18:16 < mray> i read 2.2 on rgb - but my colors in synfig are brighter thank for example inkscape - but the rgb values are the same
18:19 < genete> it is a weird synfig behavior that we have not decided how to fix it yet. Go to Preferences and check (or uncheck) linear color selection.
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18:31 < mray> does not seem to work for me :/
18:31 < mray> even after restarting..
18:31  * mray double checks..
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18:35 < mray> should i see the effect live after clicking apply?
18:36 < mray> ok danke für das angebot :)
18:36 < mray> du badass motherfucking coder :D
18:36 < mray> rofl
18:36 < mray> even after typing in the wrong window i'm keen on feedback ;)
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19:24 < mray> what else can i do about too bright colors?
19:47 < rore> color profile on gimp and inkscape and not on synfig? (just a wild guess)
19:49 < mray> no, the problem lies within synfig. i use exact rgb colors, but the generated colors are brighter
19:49 < mray> synfig renders imported bitmaps (in ym case a png) with the correct brightness
19:50 < mray> but gradients and color layers are just too bright
19:50 < mray> i tried changing the gamma value in the settings - but they don't seem to influence the scene
19:50  * mray is on ubuntu
19:51 < rore> even setting the gamma to 1?
19:52 < mray> even 0.1 shows no effect
19:53 < mray> nor does the brightness value
19:53 < mray> i added a color correction layer with a gamma correction of about 0.5 - that gives me the results i expected more or less
19:54 < rore> and messing with file > setup > misc, and the linear color selection (that is, check/unckeck it, as suggested by genete)
19:54 < rore> 0.5 ? oh, weird
19:54 < mray> but i can't apply it to imported images, since they get too dark that way (they are ok in the first place!)
19:54 < mray> i played around with those values as well (i expect i don't need to restart to see an effect!)
19:58 < rore> try with a fresh new file, I remember that changing the gamma values messed my previous files, once.
19:58 < mray> :/
19:59 < mray> ok will try
19:59 < rore> and your 0.5 must be something like 0.45 I think, that is, the "opposite" of 2.2 ( 0.454545 = 1/2.2)
20:01 < mray> no luck.
20:01 < mray> ah thanks!
20:01 < rore> I really hardly remember this, but some long time ago I changed the gamma to 1 on a file and the export was horrible. I had to add a gamma correction of 0.45 to get the export right, and disable it to work on the file.
20:01 < mray> you're right, 0.45 is better
20:02 < rore> IIRC, at that moment, synfig automatically exported anything with gamma 2.2, even if gamma was set to 1. But I thought that behavior was gone, I mean, at least for the exports.
20:02 < mray> i get wrong colors while working and on exporting
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22:34 < genete> mray: unfortunately gamma=2.2 is hard coded in several places of the source code. We don't know exactly how to proceed or nobody has studied it deep enough yet. :-/
23:26 < mray> so the gamma problem does not exist on mac and windows? 
23:26 < mray> i remember they have a different standard gamma value
23:26 < genete> no. Gamma problem is global.
23:36 < mray> does synfig completely support otf fonts? - i have trouble choosing the "thin" variant of titillium :/ 
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23:44 < mray> problem solved! - i pointed to the wrong otf (and thought it is all in one font file)
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