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05:41 < pi7xelgeek_ubu> night all
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06:04 < Appleman1234> Hi
06:06 < Appleman1234> I still can't compile synfig or synfigstudio in gentoo either with the ebuild or just from source 
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07:10 < genete> Appleman1234: not many people have gentoo, maybe later someone who uses it can help. I wonder if you opened a thread in the forum or a bug tracker
07:14 < Bombe> synfig and synfigstudio used to compile fine on my gentoo. Haven’t tried in a while, though.
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07:30 < Bombe> Compiles and works just fine on my Gentoo. Tested it just now.
07:58 < Appleman1234> genete: been there done that
07:59 < Appleman1234> weird
08:00 < Bombe> What problem exactly do you have?
08:01 < Appleman1234> without ebuild
08:01 < Appleman1234> distance.cpp: In member function ‘synfig::Distance& synfig::Distance::operator=(const synfig::String&)’:
08:01 < Appleman1234> distance.cpp:88: error: ‘strscanf’ was not declared in this scope
08:01 < Appleman1234> with ebuild different problem
08:02 < Bombe> Hmm. Are you sure your system is setup correctly?
08:02 < Appleman1234> in ebuild i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++: gdb: No such file or directory
08:02 < Appleman1234> i686-pc-linux-gnu-g++: gdb: No such file or directory
08:02 < Appleman1234> as for system setup correctly
08:02 < Appleman1234> yes it is 
08:03 < Bombe> Do you have the prerequisites installed as listed on http://synfig.org/wiki/Dev:Build_Instructions ?
08:04 < Appleman1234> for older version of ebuild (0.61.0.9 instead of 0.62.00) for /usr/lib/gcc/i686-pc-linux-gnu/4.4.3/include/g++-v4/bits/stl_algobase.h:209: error: in passing argument 1 of ‘_Tp& std::max(_Tp&, _Tp&) [with _Tp = size_t]’
08:05 < Appleman1234> and yes I have all the prerequisities 
08:05 < Appleman1234> as portage emerged them first ....
08:06 < Appleman1234> I had synfig building originally with my own custom ebuild that was older than the one on the gentoo bugs page, but ever since I added sunrise to layman to use official ebuild it hasn't worked 
08:09 < Bombe> Hmm, the ebuild from the bug tracker doesn’t look like it’s doing anything special.
08:09 < Appleman1234> no it doesn't ...
08:11 < Appleman1234> i get a bunch of present but can't compile warnings in the configure from the ebuild ...
08:12 < Bombe> Is your system in a consistent state? (Did you run “emerge -uND world && revdep-rebuild” sometime recently?)
08:12 < Bombe> It really sounds like your system is b0rked.
08:12 < Appleman1234> my system is fine
08:12 < Appleman1234> emerge -avuDN world is clean as is revdep-rebuild and emerge @preserved-rebuild
08:13 < Bombe> Then I’m afraid I can’t help you much further… it builds fine from the Git repository on two of my amd64 systems.
08:14 < Appleman1234> http://bugs.gentoo.org/attachment.cgi?id=222447 is my build log for 0.61.09 from ebuild
08:14 < Appleman1234> why me ...
08:14  * Appleman1234 sighs
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08:15 < Bombe> Do you get the same output when building from source?
08:17 < Appleman1234> I haven't tried that older version from source
08:17 < Appleman1234> I will try now
08:17 < Bombe> You shouldn’t try older versions in general. :)
08:17 < Bombe> Current version should do fine.
08:18 < Appleman1234> the current  version gives two different errors, the strscanf error from source with no ebuild , and the can't find gdb from source with ebuild 
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08:20 < genete> good morning european synfigers!
08:21 < genete> anyone has looked to the new icons from the forum and have made a selection for the new release?
08:22  * Bombe hasn’t.
08:22 < genete> http://synfig.org/forums/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=980
08:23 < genete> I do not want to make a dictatorial decision and I think that some opinion is always welcome. It will be a pita to miss some of them for this release
08:28 < Appleman1234> hmm
08:29 < genete> my basic preferences are: 
08:29 < genete> 1) use tango versions that fit the meaning
08:29 < genete> 2) Tend to gray or b&w or use colors only when needed
08:30 < genete> 4) keep tango style on overall construction
08:30 < genete> I believe that a great percentage of beret's ones fit on those rules
08:31 < Appleman1234> icons look pretty, but as I don't have synfig installed, and hence haven't gotten to use synfig yet, but feedback is just irrelevant, I will get back to icon critique when synfig compiles and installs
08:37 < genete> Appleman1234: do you have any forum thread opened and or any bug tracker alive? It would help others to read and ask for more information
08:37 < genete> have you followed the specific gentoo build instructions? when is the error produced? what's the error message?
08:38 < Bombe> My theory is that his system is b0rked as I can not reproduce his problems on (now) three different machines. He denies that, though. :)
08:40 < genete> Bombe: did you happily biuld latest synfig master version in gentoo?
08:40 < genete> build*
08:40 < Appleman1234> genete, bombe did
08:41 < Appleman1234> I don't have a forum thread open or a synfig bug open
08:41 < Appleman1234> I can open one if you like
08:41 < Bombe> Yes, I did. On my ~amd64 machine at home, my ~x86 machine at home and my amd64 machine at work.
08:41 < Bombe> Compiles and works flawlessly from current git master.
08:42 < genete> it is up to you. But everything points to a non well configured system
08:43 < Appleman1234> gah , I get enough of that from gentoo people, but system is configured fine
08:43 < genete> I'm having some weird bugs about docks position and sizes that have started to happen since I'm using gtk 2.18
08:43 < Appleman1234> the error I am getting without the ebuild shouldn't happen given ETL defines strscanf
08:44 < Appleman1234> and that the first occurence of it is line 66 and not 88
08:44 < genete> Appleman1234: open the thread please. One non satisfied user is a big issue on Synfig project (considering the size of its users community ;))
08:44 < Appleman1234> Bombe:which gcc
08:45 < genete> Appleman1234: and maybe you're using a bledding edge libraries or autotool version that in the future will be used for the rest of us :)
08:45 < Appleman1234> ok tracker thread or forum thread in debugging forum ?
08:46 < genete> whatever you like
08:46 < genete> eldruin is the guy who recently updated the ebuild instructions and I'm regularly in contact with him. 
08:46 < genete> I'm sure he will step in
08:47 < genete> he's gentoo maniac ;)
08:47 < Appleman1234> hmm
08:47 < Bombe> Appleman1234, 4.3.4 and 4.4.3.
08:48 < Appleman1234> i am not sure what I am , but at least 4 gentoo developers have called me crazy
08:48 < Bombe> ;)
08:48 < genete> you both, please use this channel freely
08:48 < genete> it is always so quiet ;)
08:48 < Appleman1234> hmm, I am running 4.4.3 so maybe that is it 
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09:10 < rylleman> Morning!
09:10 < rylleman> Are there any way to manipulate the layer panel Z-values?
09:11 < rylleman> Other than just move layers up/down I mean.
09:11 < rylleman> I would like to connect this value with other values.
09:32 < genete> hi rylleman 
09:33 < genete> the layer panel Z values are the result of sum two values
09:33 < genete> one given by the layer depth in the list and it is not animatable
09:34 < genete> other is given by the Zdepth parameter which it is default to 0 what means no zdepth movement
09:34 < genete> so once you define the layer list order you can animate them within its scope (root canvas or paste canvas)
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09:38 < genete> if you click on the Z column header, layers are sorted in the panel according to the Z result and then it will show the jumps up and down when animate
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09:51 < rylleman> Thanks. It was the layer depth in the list I wanted to change. I would like to move layers up or down in list based on the layers Z-value. I'm working on a multiplane camera where I use layer Z-depth to move layers in 3D-space. Now I can have layers below others in 3D space but above them in layer list so object further away is placed above objects closer to us. Would have liked to move layers up or down based on their Z-value.
09:53 < rylleman> Oh, well, cant have everything...
10:16 < genete> "I'm working on a multiplane camera where I use layer Z-depth to move layers in 3D-space" << sounds interesting =)
10:17 < genete> to have the layers properly sorted in the layer list just click on the z header. It will work
10:21 < rylleman> I can't get it to work. I set layerA to Z 0.5 and layerB to 0.4. layerA is still above layerB in list even if I click theZ header.
10:22 < rylleman> I've got a working camera, just wanted this layer sorting done automatically. I'm working on a tutorial but will probably not finish until the weekend.
10:28 < Appleman1234> hmm
10:32 < genete> rylleman: obviously. Z=z_parameter+z_panel and z_panel is defined by amounts of 1.0
10:34 < genete> you have to set z_parameter higher enough to pass the other layers Z value 
10:35 < rylleman> my camera works with a small Z range +1 to -1...
10:37 < rylleman> Perhaps I'll have to add a divider that / the Z-value by 10 in my calculations that would allow large increments in Zval...
10:38 < rylleman> Is the a way of adding a conversion higher up in a calculation structure without loosing everything below it?
10:38 < genete> the problem is that the value depends on how many layers are involved
10:38 < genete> yes it is possible
10:38 < genete> first of all export the current calculation 
10:42 < rylleman> Yeah, the calculation seems a bit wobbly, even with larger Z-values. I'm testing here and you need to have large differences in Z to get reliable layer reordering.
10:42 < rylleman>  I think I'll stick with what I've got and have manual reordering.
10:43 < genete> once exported you can retrieve it later just by connecting a value node to the exported one
10:43 < rylleman> Yeah, I've been doing that with exporting calculations. Just thought there might be a way of just copy/paste.
10:48 < genete> copy paste converted valuenoes is a nice feature indeed
10:49 < genete> in fact it is what you do when link ducks
10:49 < genete> or common parameters of two or more layers selected at the same time
10:50 < genete> remember that default z values of layers are: 0, 1, 2, 3, etc
10:50 < genete> so one layer needs something > 2.0 to travel two levels down the list
10:52 < genete> also synfig code does a bit of hacking on that. It adds small 0.001 to the depth to be sure that two layers havent' the same zdepth result if they have "similar" integer z depth
10:56 < rylleman> Yeah, I'll have to change my Z- val calculations in my cam so it works with whole larger values.
10:59 < rylleman> automatic sorting wont work anyway. Say I've got 2 layers which I'd like to have going past each other. A starting on Z 2 and B on Z 5. if moving A past B to Z val. 8 then it won't go past layer B until it's at Z 6. at 5.5 it's still above B.
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11:18 < Appleman1234> ok when I compile git synfig configure errors out with configure: error: C++ compiler does not seem to support unordered containers
11:22 < genete> rylleman, if it looks like a bug please open a thread in the forum. I would like to test a sample file with those numbers and better understand what's the current result and what you would like to have
11:22 < pixelbot> The current release of Synfig is 0.61.09.
11:22 < genete> current
11:22 < genete> what's the current
11:22 < pixelbot> The current release of Synfig is 0.61.09.
11:22 < genete> ha!
11:23 < genete> pixelgeek!!!! teach that bot please!!! ^^^^^
11:25 < Appleman1234> the current release is 0.62.00 
11:25 < rylleman> nah, it's not a bug. It's how  layer panel Z values work.  layerA: 1+5.5=6,5 layerB: 2+5=7.  layerA has a higher layerZ value but a lower panel Z-value.
11:26 < genete> rylleman: exactly. This is the thing I was trying to explain before. =)
11:28 < rylleman> yes. And that is why automatically sorting based on layer Z-values won't work.
11:28 < genete> Appleman1234: ubuntu karmic uses 4.4.1 and I haven't found any problem compiling synfig (I use karmic)
11:28 < Appleman1234> ok
11:29 < genete> rylleman: if threre were any way to place the number of child layers of the paste canvas in one parameter...
11:31 < rylleman> genete: if only... I'll abandon the manual sorting. I got it all working as I want . The sorting was just the frosting on the cake.
11:35 < rylleman> What I really would love is adding custom parameters to layers!
11:37 < genete> custom parameters? 
11:37 < genete> examples?
11:37 < genete> ^_^
11:42 < Appleman1234> i think I figured out the problem :), now to test :)
11:44 < genete> Appleman1234: if it may happen to other 4.4.3 g++ users please report it on the wiki
11:46 < Appleman1234> genete, I will add it to the wiki if it turns out to be the problem
11:54 < rylleman> custom as in click in layer panel and choose add parameter, chhose which type it should be and what it's going to be called. Ir wont affect anything by itself but you could use it in calculations.
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11:55 < rylleman> One idea I was toying with with my multiplane camera was add a focal length to the camera itself. It would then be great to add a value called focal_length which I could use in the calculation.
11:56 < genete> if used in calculations they are just exported valuenodes
11:56 < genete> remember that you can export a valuenode from any layer as a base value of other compatible layers parameters.
11:57 < genete> I always export the poor circle radius when I need a real value in the child list
11:57 < genete> then I use it later anywhere in the composition as a recurring value
11:57 < rylleman> yes, they are. I now create temporary layers and export values from them to use as custom layers. But it would be cool to have a custom value connected to the layer itself.
11:57 < genete> linking any compatible parameter or subparameter to it
11:59 < genete> in any case you use that value in the convert value nodes you eventually do so the parameter is there, in the sub param list
11:59 < rylleman> Perhaps not necessary. But slick and cool... :89
11:59 < rylleman> :)
11:59 < genete> btw, any hint on what are you working on right now?
12:04 < rylleman> The synfig multiplane is just a side thing. An idea I got and something I thought were missing. Not using Synfig in work right now which is commercials. (using AnimeStudio).
12:08 < Appleman1234> didn't work :(
12:09 < genete> professional use of Synfig would be a major step on its life. We MUST support you and any professional that keep Synfig on his desk... Please consider me backing you as much as possible David :)
12:10 < genete> rylleman: are you aware that David Knight (aka D.K.) is willing to learn Synfig for professional usage? 
12:11 < genete> I'm frequently in contact with him helping him on other matters and I would like to have time to create more easy to watch video turotials and to improve synfig gui ad usability
12:12 < rylleman> http://frokenmarkvardigochkarriaren.se/?page_id=19&lang=en -check first clip, smoke at the middle is synfig. Also dark fuzz in end of clip 4, around Miss Remarkable at middle and ball at end.
12:12 < genete> (for others, D.K. is a professional animator that uses Anime Studio as main application for his work)
12:15 < genete> aha!, smoke from the rocket is easy to do in Synfig and difficulty masked with Anime Studio! ;)
12:15 < Appleman1234> hmm
12:19 < genete> btw, I like the aniamtions rylleman. Interesting style
12:19 < genete> I wish to understand what's being said
12:22 < rylleman> Using it where I can. I do mostly cut out animation with bitmaps. unfortunately synfig is a bit slow with bitmaps and I really like bone systems.
12:24 < genete> opengl is a step for both requirements
12:24 < rylleman> Thanks! Planning on adding subtitles to the clips.
12:24 < rylleman> yes, looking forward to that!
12:25 < genete> Diego Barrios (aka eldruin) is going to work on it regardless we entrer on GSoC or not
12:26 < genete> but we have to have a bit of patience. He is still a student 
12:26 < rylleman> Fantastic! yes.
12:27 < genete> I wish to learn opengl too meanwhile I mentor him so I eventually can continue his work if he gets a real work
12:28 < rylleman> great! You know you are the best Genete?
12:29 < genete> (blush)
12:29 < rylleman> No ,I really mean it, Synfig wouldn't be this far without you.
12:29 < genete> meanhile, you guys <ahem> could you give a hand to select those great icons? ;)
12:30 < rylleman> right. will check out when I get a minute.
12:30 < genete> thanks rylleman, I apreciate your words
12:31 < genete> I don't pretend anyone to rework them, just say if anyone deserve to be on place
12:32 < Appleman1234> opengl is fun ...
12:32 < genete> I'm worry mostly about the concept of some of them
12:32 < genete> because I can rework them to fit tango requirements if the icon concept is fine but not well designed
12:33 < genete> Appleman1234: do you have any code abilities? good autotools knowledge?
12:33 < genete> we need an autotools authority :-/
12:33 < Appleman1234> genete, I do have coding abilities
12:33 < genete> there is a lot of mess on that
12:34 < Appleman1234> I am not an autotools specialist, but I do know a bit
12:34 < genete> Appleman1234: so what are you waiting!!!?? synfig's code is there waiting you!! :)
12:34 < rylleman> I like some of them. They are a bit to far from the current Tango Synfig style as you said but some would work.
12:35 < Appleman1234> genete, I can't get it build at the moment, sound as it builds I will see what I can improve
12:35 < genete> rylleman: just need you to write: author and icon name and a "yes" or "no" on its side. You can use my missing list to fill it up easily. Thanks!!!
12:35 < Appleman1234> like eldruin (I am still a student), but I have only one more semester left
12:35 < rylleman> like second page, bertehs 1st & 2nd posts. Then I also like his different layer effects icons.
12:36 < genete> Appleman1234: where are you from ?
12:38 < Appleman1234> Australia 
12:39 < genete> cool
12:39 < genete> DK (I mentioned before) is from AU too ;)
12:39 < Appleman1234> interesting
12:39 < genete> so it seems to be late for you right now :O
12:39 < Appleman1234> late ?
12:39 < Appleman1234> only 20 to 10pm ...
12:40 < genete> hehe, it seems that my friend goes so early to bed ;)
12:40 < genete> or it depends on what zone of AU you are?
12:41 < Appleman1234> gmt+10
13:01 < Appleman1234> so now as it didn't build I am finally posting forum post
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13:06 < eldruin> hello
13:07 < genete> hi eldruin 
13:07 < genete> ^__^
13:07 < Appleman1234> hi eldruin 
13:07 < eldruin> hi
13:08 < Appleman1234> you're the guy on the gentoo bug :)
13:08 < Appleman1234> I am the other guy that can't get synfig to build
13:08 < eldruin> ok
13:08 < eldruin> you downloaded the ebuild from bugzilla then?
13:09 < Appleman1234> Yes
13:09 < Appleman1234> all of them ...
13:09 < eldruin> ok
13:09 < Appleman1234> and also tried the one in layman 
13:09 < eldruin> have any problem with ETL?
13:09 < Appleman1234> ETL installs fine either from layman or ebuild 
13:09 < eldruin> ETL is in sunrise
13:09 < eldruin> ok
13:10 < eldruin> what about synfig?
13:10 < genete> core ^^ 
13:10 < Appleman1234> tried building from the one in sunrise, tried 0.62.00 ebuild, tried 0.62.00 source, tried git ebuild ...
13:10 < Appleman1234> synfig, not synfigstudio .....
13:11 < Appleman1234> uploading build logs and detailing forum post at present
13:11 < eldruin> ok
13:12 < eldruin> I'm busy now, I'll have a look at ebuilds and see what happens
13:12 < eldruin> but later
13:12 < Appleman1234> ok , best of luck
13:12 < eldruin> thanks
13:12 < eldruin> see you in the forums!
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16:05 < CIA-53> synfig: Diego Barrios Romero  gerco_opengl * ra6c4896888 synfig/synfig-core/src/synfig/ (valuenode_range.cpp valuenode_range.h): Time vs Synfig_Time typo fix
16:05 < CIA-53> synfig: Diego Barrios Romero  gerco_opengl * rccd5655043 synfig/synfig-studio/src/gtkmm/Makefile.am: Compilation flag typo fix
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